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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #3720 on: March 21, 2017, 10:39:20 PM »
My expectation is for them to blame the EU for walking away. They'll head to the table with impossible demands and then accuse the EU of intransigence. I'm really not hopeful at all. There are absolutely no good signs coming out of anything the government is saying. It's so bad Major is out shouting about it.

I want to be wrong but the Tory party is being led on this by the likes of IDS, Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Michael Gove, Liam Fox and Rees-Mogg. Garbage in, garbage out.
That's exactly what I think will happen too. 

You'll have all the rags printing rubbish about the EU being unfair etc etc, all the Brexiteers singing Rule Britannia and giving it the Moysey fist pump against Fulham!



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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #3721 on: March 21, 2017, 10:58:27 PM »
A Dutch newspaper claims to have seen a draft EU report that says the dispute over Britain's "divorce" bill could be taken to the International Court of Justice. It also suggested that David Cameron's demands with regards to the EU budget between 2014-2020 is partly responsible for the divorce bill being so big.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-divorce-bill-eu-take-uk-court-leaked-strategy-documents-a7641406.html

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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #3722 on: March 21, 2017, 11:01:39 PM »
My expectation is for them to blame the EU for walking away. They'll head to the table with impossible demands and then accuse the EU of intransigence. I'm really not hopeful at all. There are absolutely no good signs coming out of anything the government is saying. It's so bad Major is out shouting about it.

I want to be wrong but the Tory party is being led on this by the likes of IDS, Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Michael Gove, Liam Fox and Rees-Mogg. Garbage in, garbage out.
Yep. we gave them a chance to make a deal but they wouldn't budge on the rules we voted to do away with. making a deal with the EU was a bonus. lets look forward to a bright new future blah blah blah.
Realty is the leave MPs told voters the EU would have no other choice but to give us a good deal.

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« Reply #3723 on: March 21, 2017, 11:41:51 PM »
I actually think it will be the other way round, banking will take a hit as we are a huge net exporter so the EU has little to gain from giving us a good deal, while the automotive industry will be ok as we import so many cars from the EU it will be in their interests to give us a good deal there. Plus, free trade deals quite often exclude services such as banking and generals focus on physical goods.

Agree. Banking will take a hit.
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« Reply #3724 on: March 22, 2017, 11:07:30 AM »
Banking will shift jobs.
So the hit will be employment.
Where banking may get hurt is a bit further down the line.
Negative equity for homeowners combined with unemployment.

Cars will be an interesting one.
Think the likes of nissan and jaguar may shift some of their operations.

The other fly in the ointment is what the usa do.
If they tax imports and force companies to set up shop int he usa that means job losses too.
We sell more to them than them to us.
The big pharmas etc.
The government can try to stave it off with corp tax but they still are in deficit which will come back to haunt them.


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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #3725 on: March 22, 2017, 11:25:51 AM »
Banking will shift jobs.
So the hit will be employment.
Where banking may get hurt is a bit further down the line.
Negative equity for homeowners combined with unemployment.

Cars will be an interesting one.
Think the likes of nissan and jaguar may shift some of their operations.

The other fly in the ointment is what the usa do.
If they tax imports and force companies to set up shop int he usa that means job losses too.
We sell more to them than them to us.
The big pharmas etc.
The government can try to stave it off with corp tax but they still are in deficit which will come back to haunt them.

The big hit from the banking sector would be that nearly 1 in 8 pounds that the government takes in tax comes from the banking sector. The jobs are less critical than the money.

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« Reply #3726 on: March 22, 2017, 11:48:08 AM »
The big hit from the banking sector would be that nearly 1 in 8 pounds that the government takes in tax comes from the banking sector. The jobs are less critical than the money.

But the jobs are tax revenue that is lost.
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« Reply #3727 on: March 22, 2017, 12:00:02 PM »
I still have this faint, ever so slight hope that Brexit won't happen, and we'll still remain in the EU.

Is this na´ve and stupid?

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« Reply #3728 on: March 22, 2017, 12:18:18 PM »
I still have this faint, ever so slight hope that Brexit won't happen, and we'll still remain in the EU.

Is this na´ve and stupid?

I don't see any way back now. The lunatics have taken over the asylum and we all have to suffer the consequences.
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« Reply #3729 on: March 22, 2017, 12:35:54 PM »
I still have this faint, ever so slight hope that Brexit won't happen, and we'll still remain in the EU.

Is this na´ve and stupid?
Your like most of us m8, hoping common sense prevails when the evidence proves Brexit is a big mistake.
My concern is even when Brexit does start to go wrong people fall for the leave MPs etc excuses, no matter how bad it gets they will argue we have to give this at least 7 yrs before we feel the benefits of leaving the EU.
I remember Owen Smith arguing last August that if evidence shows us Brexit will be a disaster we should stand back and reconsider. he was booed by Corbyn supporters. Corbyn didn't agree with Smith. the people have voted to leave and we should respect their wishes he said.
People will look back at this in years to come and wonder how people could have been so stupid to support Corbyns view.
If we are going to stop Brexit then it's vital to get another leader who will actually fight to change the mindset of the country. we should not fall for any excuses.if the evidence shows Brexit will be a disaster then we should stand back and reconsider.
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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
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Keir Starmer has said the deal we get back should include exactly the same benefits of being part of the single market but the ability to set our own immigration rules. He is such a muppet.

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Keir Starmer has said the deal we get back should include exactly the same benefits of being part of the single market but the ability to set our own immigration rules. He is such a muppet.

Just read that in the Guardian, the mind boggles!!!!

Also, we have had immigration controls, it's just our government has chosen not to implement them.

The current bunch of MPs are totally spineless.
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A bit fucking late for Labour to decide to become the opposition. I am sure most of these MPs wouldn't expect to retain access to the same services at their private member clubs, if they opted to no longer renew their membership. And yet they think the EU is different

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Keir Starmer has said the deal we get back should include exactly the same benefits of being part of the single market but the ability to set our own immigration rules. He is such a muppet.
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Starmer, Frottage, David Davis and Alex Salmond on a Brexit Question Time special tomorrow. Should be lively.

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How can the result of a vote that has yet to be implemented be said to be "in hindsight"?

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Opinion polls on Brexit aren't worth anything anyway, due to the ignorance of the populous.

52% of the country voted to leave, citing a load of b*ll*cks and racism. 

I'd say the majority of the UK population are somewhat ignorant in regards to the EU, thus there opinion is not very meaningful.

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How can the result of a vote that has yet to be implemented be said to be "in hindsight"?
I suppose because the vote has been passed already?




Great poll to show why a simple majority shouldn't be enough for a decision of this magnitude.
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I suppose because the vote has been passed already?




Great poll to show why a simple majority shouldn't be enough for a decision of this magnitude.

It was sheer incompetence that a simple majority vote was passed by Parliament.

I know the UK is known to be a bit behind with things, but something as big as this really should have been done properly.

Firstly, the question itself was flawed.

Other countries who have referenda impose at least a 60% majority, or more.  At least you could call it a 'majority' then.

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Other countries who have referenda impose at least a 60% majority, or more.  At least you could call it a 'majority' then.

And 1.8% either way wouldn't change it being a majority.

From the poll above, you could think that the 'don't know' crowd decided on a whim to take the country out of the EU.
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And 1.8% either way wouldn't change it being a majority.

From the poll above, you could think that the 'don't know' crowd decided on a whim to take the country out of the EU.

My mum fits in that group.

I told her why she should vote remain and the reasons why I was doing so, but she voted leave.

I think she was swayed by all the crap that her friends were posting on social media.

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And 1.8% either way wouldn't change it being a majority.

From the poll above, you could think that the 'don't know' crowd decided on a whim to take the country out of the EU.

If the results of a paper I was writing were 52 - 48, I couldn't draw any strong conclusions from it.


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If the results of a paper I was writing were 52 - 48, I couldn't draw any strong conclusions from it.



Or you'd spend quite a bit of time with statistics tests and trying to explain why it was significant. ;D



As you said, the whole referendum approach was mindboggling incompetent. No definition of what 'leave' means - leave the EU, but what about the EEA, the customs union, the ECHR? A public 'debate' dominated by lies and emotion. And no discussion about the decision-making process - what percentage, who can vote, will parliament get a say?

But hey, 'the people have spoken', lets get it over and done with. ::)
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