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Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« on: July 19, 2005, 05:34:47 pm »
Liverpool fans who remember John Toshack will start to make comparisons, naturally.  Liverpool fans that don’t may just make comparisons with Peter Crouch and Buckaroo.

Who cares though?  Peter Crouch may not be the world’s best looking guy.  Nor may he be the best footballer in the world.  But boy, he is effective in what he does. Besides, what is this – a fashion show? I wouldn’t care less if we had Uncle Festa playing up front as long as he did the business. The similarly gigantic Jan Koller is hardly the most aesthetically pleasing footballer in the world, yet he's a vital lynchpin in an effective Czech side that plays exciting football.

The main argument, in favour of Rafael Benítez’ imminent signing, is just plainly one word: variation. We have the pace and power of Djibril Cisse, the skill, flair and strength of Fernando Morientes and now we have a player who can knock down long balls from the back.  What’s the problem? 

Most fans' problem with Crouch is that they think Liverpool are going to become one dimensional, predictable, ‘just like Wimbledon were in the 90s’.  John Carew was a similarly tall striker who played under Benítez at Valencia, but was Rafa's side all of those things?  No, of course they weren’t.  Far from it, actually. Carew played for Valencia in both their victories over us in the Champions League group stage in September and October 2002, and those performances are considered to be amongst the top two or three against us by an opposition team since we returned to Europe post-Heysel. So much for tall striker = long ball.

Just this week Rafa has been complaining about us not having a striker who scores enough goals.  Last season Baros was our top scorer with 13; Peter Crouch scored 16 in a far inferior side, with far inferior service. 

The cycle just keeps on going.  We had Rush as our goal scorer, then we had Fowler, then we had Owen and right now we are in a situation where we are trying to find Michael’s replacement.  Why not bring him back I hear you cry? We have moved on and Rafael Benítez has looked elsewhere, that’s his decision. One thing I am for sure of, however, is that Rafa would have had to have spent a fair bit more than £7m on Owen. 

Will Peter be as effective as Owen?  Only time well tell, of course.  Both may very well have different styles of play, largely due to the physical attributes of each player, but if you bang in the goals most fans won’t care if it comes off your shin, nose or genitals.

The assistance from fellow team mates will be of far higher quality under Benítez’ side than it was/is at Harry Redknapp’s Southampton, there is little questioning that. However you have to be careful in saying “Well if he could get 16 for them, imagine how many he could score for us”. Obviously, that is not always the case:

1) They need to be playing to do the business.  Will Crouch get as many games for Liverpool as he did at Southampton? Look at Louis Saha and Alan Smith. They are both great strikers and both players excelled at Fulham and Leeds accordingly, but when the competition increases and they have the likes of Ruud Van Nistelrooy (£18m) and Wayne Rooney (£30m), it gets more difficult to get on the pitch and show the manager what you are capable of.

2) And will he also be able to cope with the pressure that is place upon your shoulders when you arrive at a club like Liverpool? 

Will Peter Crouch be able compete against the likes of Fernando Morientes and Djibril Cisse for a first team spot?  Again, only time will tell.  But if he has the right attitude - and with sudden international recognition and with the World Cup coming up next year, why wouldn’t he? – then he can achieve great things.

Putting things into a Premiership perspective:

Alan Shearer, a goal scoring machine, bagged a mere 7 goals.  It may have been one of the retired International’s worst seasons, bogged down with niggling injuries, but it’s still poor by his standards.

Wayne Rooney, £30m of fat, scored 11 goals in 29 games.

Emile Heskey, a supposed England International, scored 10 goals in 34 games;

Peter Crouch, a laughing stock who barely played a game before Christmas, scored 12 – more than any of these in a side that was eventually relegated.

What can’t speak, can’t lie.

Benítez doesn’t splash cash on players who aren’t up to his standard.  It’s a risk, I admit that, but all transfers are.  But I trust the manager’s judgement. After all I trusted him at fulltime 60 days ago ...

"What's special about him is he's 6ft 8ins," Saints boss Harry Redknapp told Sky Sports News. "That's probably the most special thing.

"He's got terrific touch, he's good in the air, has a good understanding of the game and is a fantastic player. He's a good lad and has not been a minute's problem even when this has been going on.
 
"He's had Liverpool [after him] and many players would have thrown their dummies out of the pram but he's come in every day, worked hard and been a fantastic example to everybody.

"This is the second time I've sold him - I sold him at Portsmouth for £5 million, so maybe I'll meet him again and sell him again!

"I wish him well and I'm sure he'll be a big success at Liverpool."


What will be a massive and devastating blow for Southampton could prove to be a decisive, shrewd move by Rafa. So let's all welcome Peter to the club and look forward to seeing what he can do for us.

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2005, 05:48:54 pm »
Hopefully, people will get behind him once he signs.

Good luck Crouchie.
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2005, 05:51:12 pm »
Ive been looking at Crouch's record,  interestingly enough Harry Redknapp knows how to get the best out of him.  He's been his manager twice and both times Crouch's goal scoring record was 1/2  pretty good
However under other managers his record is 1/3  more like Heskey's

True there is more to Crouch than goals, he can cause such mayhem that there are lots of loose balls in the areal perfect for players like Garcia, or Cisse (perhaps) - It will be interesting to see his assist record, but for now I think it best to judge him on goals

So the real issue is, which Crouch will turn up?  the 1/2 goal scoring handful for defenders or the 1/3 average striker
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2005, 05:53:24 pm »
Good quotes from Harry Redknapp.

It shows how highly they rated him down there, in that they didn't take the first offer. They held out for more money simply because they knew he was worth more - Liverpool don't get drawn into auctions, but as other clubs were interested, it showed that the player was in demand.

I'm very happy at this signing, although Crouch won't have it easy in a number of ways.

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2005, 05:53:52 pm »
Good article Garstonite. Well reasoned. I really hope Crouch is a raging success and turns our away day form around..

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2005, 06:02:07 pm »
Although i feel its a lot of money to pay for him, i do not have the sense of foreboding that have been seen in other threads on the matter,  i have all along thought he was a good player - not just ya typical lumbering giant and i have a hunch he will turn out to be good for us.  If that happens, if he turns out to be capable of hacking it at a bigger club etc then, i dont really care how much he costs.

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2005, 06:04:51 pm »
I'm very happy at this signing, although Crouch won't have it easy in a number of ways.

He never has had Paul, the Saints fans were a very long way from convinced when Sturrock signed him, and all the negative comments we've seen here were out in force.

Now they're all gutted they're selling him ...
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2005, 06:08:31 pm »
The quotes from Redknapp underline that Crouch is a Benitez type of player.  Hopefully he'll settle in well and give us more 'possibilities.'  We have another option up front and another striker that can play by himself if need be (Cisse being the other).  We'll have to get to the touch line and get more crosses in this season, but looks like Benitez is sorting that out too with Zenden and Govou/Figo on the right (with Nunez told he can leave, I'm pretty sure we'll bring in someone on the right so we have options besides Garcia there). 

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2005, 06:09:50 pm »
He never has had Paul, the Saints fans were a very long way from convinced when Sturrock signed him, and all the negative comments we've seen here were out in force.

wasn't this partly due to strurrock playing long ball football?
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2005, 06:11:08 pm »
I was well sceptical about Crouch , i was hoping we could sell Baros and use the extra cash from him to purchase a more talented striker like Kuyt , Raul or Luque.

But when you see his age and stats , it isnt to bad - i cant see how he would fit in though. Its got to be Moro and Cisse up front . But then again if we sell Baros and Pongolle is injured , we could do a lot worse - he has a proven Premiership goal scoring record from last season.

But on a brighter note , Hes English - so fair play to Rafa - he always said he would look in the english market before he goes to his native land.

Good luck Crouchie , hope you score buckets and burst into the England Squad for the World Cup! ;)

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2005, 06:23:20 pm »
I was well sceptical about Crouch , i was hoping we could sell Baros and use the extra cash from him to purchase a more talented striker like Kuyt , Raul or Luque.

But when you see his age and stats , it isnt to bad - i cant see how he would fit in though. Its got to be Moro and Cisse up front . But then again if we sell Baros and Pongolle is injured , we could do a lot worse - he has a proven Premiership goal scoring record from last season.

But on a brighter note , Hes English - so fair play to Rafa - he always said he would look in the english market before he goes to his native land.

Good luck Crouchie , hope you score buckets and burst into the England Squad for the World Cup! ;)

A very good read as usual from Garstonite. :thumbup

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2005, 07:19:26 pm »
wasn't this partly due to strurrock playing long ball football?

No, the ones I know were all coming out with the usual comments about Crouch. He's had to put up with it everywhere he's gone but he just gets on with the football. He has the right mentality to be a winner ;)
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2005, 10:23:15 pm »
well reasoned mate, he may not look conventional but he will do a job for us and i know the fans will back the lad when he arrives.  Rafa is no eejit and knows what he wants from a player.  i believe that Crouchie could turn out to be money well spent come May.

Crouch has had a lot of shit to put up with all through his career, i reckon if the med goes well, it is time to let him  feel the force of support frpm the greatest club in the world.

There is still a way to go yet before the season starts.  We may well see Rafa make a move for another front man if Baros is shown the door.  We may well see another striker a centre back and a right mid at melwood before all is done.  Trust the gaffer, The CL trophy doesnt lie.
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2005, 10:39:26 pm »
Funny enough as soon as I heard he'd signed I was talking about Toshack..never the most graceful of players....but key to our success in the early seventies....and I made the comparison......Crouch is a long streak of piss though!!

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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2005, 10:43:18 pm »
Good quotes from Harry Redknapp.

It shows how highly they rated him down there, in that they didn't take the first offer. They held out for more money simply because they knew he was worth more - Liverpool don't get drawn into auctions, but as other clubs were interested, it showed that the player was in demand.

I'm very happy at this signing, although Crouch won't have it easy in a number of ways.

I think he is a good player and will give us something different but I still feel we were ripped off as I only think he's worth 4 million. But being English I suppose it costs more.

I think he will do well, I have a funny feeling that he will do the business.
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2005, 10:44:59 pm »
The two extremes have always struck fear into defences...

the little nippy player with the low centre of gravity who could turn big defenders inside out a la Denis Law, Alan Ball, Archie Gemill etc
And the big bugger who no-one could beat in the air a la The original Torres (1966 Portugal), Mr Big John Toshack and Emily.

The vultures are already gathering, but I hope Crouch kicks them all into touch.

No-one expects a big man to be able to control a ball - Crouch, like Tosh can

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2005, 11:08:25 pm »
Good article (as per usual - must be good to have a talebt for writing) - have to say I'm one of the few fans that is seriously excited by this signing - I really believe Peter couold end up being that mythical "missing piece"

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2005, 02:15:36 am »
I remember Tosh, i also remember Tony Hately, both big target men, also very nimble on the ground.
I think Peter Crouch will do the business for us, as the ones I mentioned above.  He will have more service than he could ever dream of.
And the lad genuinely, wants to play for us. So let's get behind him.
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2005, 03:18:01 am »
Let's think about this :P Figo & Zenden's crosses + Crouch ;)
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2005, 03:26:15 am »
Top quality post. It should also be noted that Matthew Le Tissier one of the best hitters of a dead ball ever rates Crouch as a very good penalty taker.
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2005, 03:33:03 am »
Honestly, I only read through all that if the writer's name is Paul Tomkins. ;D
Just kidding, mate.

I think you just made a call to the fans to ignore style over substance, which is a good thing but in this heavily
commercialised world of ours now, it's inevitable that he won't be popular with some fans for the wrong reasons. It's quite unfair for him to judged before even kicking the first ball for Liverpool and I do hope the critics eat humble pie when the season begins proper. I am adamant that they should, because the criticisms are just so unfair.
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2005, 03:34:10 am »
Btw, this is written by Lawro!
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2005, 03:38:28 am »
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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2005, 05:18:07 am »
Another good read.

Thanks.

Hopefully Crouch will do the business.

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2005, 06:12:13 am »
Good read

'People’s problem is that they think Liverpool are going to become one dimensional, predictable, ‘just like Wimbledon were in the 90s’.

People should ask themselves - If Wimbledon were so predictible, how come they stuck around in the top flight for so long ( and finished above Man U from time to time ).

If Crouch is as reliable as (beanpole) Niall Quinn, I certainly wont complain.

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« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2005, 08:06:15 am »
It should also be noted that Matthew Le Tissier one of the best hitters of a dead ball ever rates Crouch as a very good penalty taker.

He'll be another option.  I'd still prefer Cisse if he's on the pitch.  If not, Alonso -- but it's good to hear.

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2005, 08:15:37 am »
Only reason people were hostile towards Crouch is because they thought Rafa
would shell out what ever it took to bring in Dirk Kuyt for 10 million or more.

Given Rafa's record for getting the best out of players I think this could be a ragiing success,
If not we can always buy a girraffe and charge people 100 quid a head to watch crouchy ride around on it.
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2005, 09:37:12 am »
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« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2005, 10:17:59 am »
In time we will certainly be comparing Kuyt's and Crouch's respective careers.
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2005, 10:32:20 am »
Started to worry when I read that Saha and Smith are/were great, but dont worry, it certainly wasn't the biggest gaff.

I remember Tosh, i also remember Tony Hately, both big target men, also very nimble on the ground.

Nimble ? The nearest they came to Nimble was when they ate toast for breakfast. I can only assume Terry you smoked a load of dope in those days.
neither were any great shakes on the deck, and both were equally adept at tripping over their own feet.
But both did bring aerial strengths that we were not used to.

If Crouchy turns out as useful as Big John I will be as pleased as the next man, but for now, he is a big lanky streak of piss who hasn't proved himself at the highest level.
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2005, 11:30:58 am »
Another fine article Garstonite! Exactly what I was thinking to be honest. He will have competition, he might not make it, but he HAS the ability to make it work and most importantly he offers a much different option.

If Crouchy turns out as useful as Big John I will be as pleased as the next man, but for now, he is a big lanky streak of piss who hasn't proved himself at the highest level.
A bit like Rush when he first turned up.

Just what I thought this morning. Rushie signed for £300,000 was it? If we'd had the internet then I reckon a fair few would be moaning about buying a lower divsion player for so much!
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2005, 12:09:16 pm »
A very good read as usual from Garstonite. :thumbup

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2005, 12:39:13 pm »
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2005, 12:42:32 pm »
I used to know this lad well when he was on loan to Hässleholm IF in Sweden from Spurs for a couple of seasons (had a few beers with him too down the local!). He should be given a chance. He has a great touch, good on the ball, both passing and dribbling, and if he puts on a bit of strength, he will terrorise defenders with his height advantage. Good buy, although maybe around the 4 million mark for me. Good luck Crouch with the Reds Career.

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2005, 12:49:34 pm »
Started to worry when I read that Saha and Smith are/were great, but dont worry, it certainly wasn't the biggest gaff.

Nimble ? The nearest they came to Nimble was when they ate toast for breakfast. I can only assume Terry you smoked a load of dope in those days.
neither were any great shakes on the deck, and both were equally adept at tripping over their own feet.
But both did bring aerial strengths that we were not used to.

If Crouchy turns out as useful as Big John I will be as pleased as the next man, but for now, he is a big lanky streak of piss who hasn't proved himself at the highest level.
A bit like Rush when he first turned up.



Watch this space. Yes I did smoke loads of dope.
But I hope that You, look like a dope when our lanky streak of piss(as you put it), proves you and other doubters wrong.  ;)
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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2005, 01:53:12 pm »
Great read as usual Garstonite.Am really looking forward to seeing Crouchy in action.Any1 have any info on the breakdown of the deal or is it a straight 7m??

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2005, 02:05:12 pm »
"People never remember the seconds. The third places always enjoy it more than the second. The third wins a bronze, but the second loses the gold medal." -Rafa Benitez

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Re: Peter Crouch: height of obscurity?
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2005, 03:42:32 pm »
Any1 have any info on the breakdown of the deal or is it a straight 7m??


Think so, yes.  That's what SSN reported anyway...