Topic: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle

[Fromola]

I agree with this whether he will be given time to adapt is my only worry. Wouldn't come as a complete shock to see him loaned out next year in the arse end of Europe if he doesn't find his feet in the next few months.

Exactly. If there's one thing we don't give players anymore it's time. Do it straight away or you're out. There's not many Coutinho's who come in straight away and look great.

Firmino could join Markovic at Fenerbache if he doesn't find his feet quickly. Markovic never played in his best position either.

We've got a similar vibe to Arsenal at the moment in terms of having loads of attacking midfielders who we can't fit into the team at once. and lots of them are lightweight fancy dans who won't really get stuck in.

We're a poor man's Arsenal. But Wenger's tight with money so there's less wastage every year and they tend to stick with what they've got. Wenger has less of a disposable attitude to players than Rodgers, he makes do with what he's got and finds ways to make it work. He doesn't bomb people out all the time and gives players time to adapt. It took Henry and Pires a year.

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Exactly. If there's one thing we don't give players anymore it's time. Do it straight away or you're out. There's not many Coutinho's who come in straight away and look great.

Firmino could join Markovic at Fenerbache if he doesn't find his feet quickly. Markovic never played in his best position either.

We're a poor man's Arsenal. But Wenger's tight with money so there's less wastage every year and they tend to stick with what they've got. Wenger has less of a disposable attitude to players than Rodgers, he makes do with what he's got and finds ways to make it work. He doesn't bomb people out all the time.

Hey Boss! It's not my fault the players haven't adapted!!! Just means I'll buy some more and rebuild....it's all gooooooooooooooood

[harryc]

Shocking that those running the club cant see that players and in effect huge amounts of money wasted with players bought in with no plan of how to play them.

There again we already knew FSG dont really know much about football.

[rscanderlech]

Shocking that those running the club cant see that players and in effect huge amounts of money wasted with players bought in with no plan of how to play them.

There again we already knew FSG dont really know much about football.

I cannot understand why the people calling shots above the coach are Gordon - not a football person - and Ian Ayre - not a football person, and why whenever FSG wants to do something they speak to external 'advisors'. Why dont we just hire the advisors and get rid of the rest?!

firmino is a good player, much better in the final third than coutinho, and should be playing there somewhere - ideally through the middle - with Coutinho pushed back or beside him in a Christmas tree. What a waste of good players

[HighSix]

Still expect him to have a big impact this season once the Benteke experiment comes to an end... There were quite a few occasions at the weekend with Sturridge furthest forward & Benteke with the ball deep that would have been ideal for Firmino rather than our limited target man. Rodgers loves the bold tactical changes so bound to have his chance at some point & its on him to take it.

Shocking that those running the club cant see that players and in effect huge amounts of money wasted with players bought in with no plan of how to play them.

There again we already knew FSG dont really know much about football.

Ayre alluded all signings were Rodgers this summer so hard to blame those above him. Would be interesting to know if Firmino was a longterm target or just offered around this summer though.

[SlowRap]

Just doesn't look bothered to me

[Simplexity]

Seems a bit of a bottler so far, disappointing.

[swordfishtrombone]

Just doesn't look bothered to me

I think that's probably it.

[Fazakerley Red]

hasnt showed a lot yet has firmino .

[B0151?]

Don't think he's been bad to be honest, just struggling to make a direct impact because we're playing so poorly. He's got good numbers, comparable with his form last season.

[plura]

Think he'll come very good in the right team. In a functional team with a functional creative outlet, I've got no worries about that whatsoever.

When that will happen is another question as we're looking far from being functional in any sense, form of way.

[redy]

He is suffering being in a dysfunctional team. Hard enough adapting to the Premier League.

[Number 7]

Won't be doing anything for awhile anyway.

Hasn't got going really and the injury isn't going to help.

[rawcusk8]

Game of small margins. Benteke puts away his cross against Arsenal then he has a good assist to his name, hits the bar against the Mancs (think it was them) another day that goes in and he gets himself on the score sheet. Slow start to his Liverpool career but we're struggling as a team and he's adapting to a new league. He'll come good, he's too good a player not to.

[chrishughes]

Doesn't look physical enough to track back and defend. Going forward it's going to take time to develop an understanding with his teammates. The injury is a real setback.

[jonnyr]

Hasn't shown too much yet, but that's hard to do when there are such deep problems with our current setup and system. Expect him to come around and show his real quality when we finally sort the big issues out with the current system and start playing better football consistently (I mean surely we eventually will, right?).

Shame about the injury setback though. Was excited looking forward to seeing more of him playing up around Sturridge specifically.

[RedSince86]

He is suffering being in a dysfunctional team. Hard enough adapting to the Premier League.

This 110%.

The guy is class.

[paddysour]

Rodgers just said in his press conference that he expects him to be out for a while and he may have broken a bone in his back

[RedSince86]

Rodgers just said in his press conference that he expects him to be out for a while and he may have broken a bone in his back

Jeez.

Looks like he's going to have a Lallana stop start season at his 1st year at the club.

[Fordy]

Rodgers just said in his press conference that he expects him to be out for a while and he may have broken a bone in his back

Not wanting injury on anyone but a break for him could do him good. He is in and out of the team like a yo yo and it's hard coming into the fast pace of the PL.

Give him time.

[redmark]

Doesn't look physical enough to track back and defend. Going forward it's going to take time to develop an understanding with his teammates. The injury is a real setback.

Worked his socks off against Norwich and was first or second on the team in terms of tackles made. It detracted too much from his attacking, but he's certainly put the effort in effectively when asked to do so, defensively.

[Cid]

Just doesn't look bothered to me

To me he looks baffled to be honest. Doesn't know his role or the position he's being asked to play. We're putting him out on the wings constantly and telling him to get back so Clyne can get forward.

He's not Dirk Kuyt. He's not naturally a winger. He should be behind the strikers and Coutinho should be in midfield.

Its hard to judge a player without seeing them play in the role they excelled at...i have no idea why we sign players and expect them to become someone else on day 1.

[QC]

i have no idea why we sign players and expect them to become someone else on day 1.

[Serano]

To me he looks baffled to be honest. Doesn't know his role or the position he's being asked to play. We're putting him out on the wings constantly and telling him to get back so Clyne can get forward.

He's not Dirk Kuyt. He's not naturally a winger. He should be behind the strikers and Coutinho should be in midfield.

Its hard to judge a player without seeing them play in the role they excelled at...i have no idea why we sign players and expect them to become someone else on day 1.

I also think there is an element of overlap with Coutinho. They both probably want to occupy the same space and positions on the field, as they're both ideally suited to the number 10 role. I believe that's the role he played at Hoffenheim too?

[HighSix]

Not wanting injury on anyone but a break for him could do him good. He is in and out of the team like a yo yo and it's hard coming into the fast pace of the PL.

Give him time.

But he will still have to adapt when fit & we may not have as many cup matches by then. Its Awful news for him & us.

[Tom_B]

Just doesn't look bothered to me

Ridiculous thing to say.

How anyone is making such judgements based on the little playing time he has had (none of which has been in his actual position by the way) is beyond me.

Not sure why he was signed to be honest, as clearly the coaching staff have no clue what his game is or where he excels.

The injury is shit.

[GinKop]

Just hope the combination of the injury and our awful start doesn't put the stops on his Liverpool career. Was beyond excited when we signed him and this injury is shocking news. Hopefully he's not out too long and can slot into the first team. Seemed to be playing with the handbrake on before, need to see the direct Firmino that made him one of the most effective players in Bundesliga.

[Xxavi]

When talking about positions, Lallana shouldn't be forgotten. I think he also is better centrally, as a no10.

[Redinho]

Ridiculous thing to say.

How anyone is making such judgements based on the little playing time he has had (none of which has been in his actual position by the way) is beyond me.

Not sure why he was signed to be honest, as clearly the coaching staff have no clue what his game is or where he excels.

The injury is shit.

It's just a lazy thing to say really.  Some players look different while playing the game.  Just because a player isn't running around like a headless chicken doesn't mean he isn't trying.  Same sort of lazy assumptions were launched at Balotelli etc., when it's not true.

He's not gonna track back like a fullback either if people were expecting that he's like a second strike / number 10 player who can press from the front.

If were are ever gonna see if he can create in this league he needs to be played further up the pitch and with at least another person around him.

[Kopite B205]

Not wanting injury on anyone but a break for him could do him good. He is in and out of the team like a yo yo and it's hard coming into the fast pace of the PL.

Give him time.

What a daft thing to say.

[rickardinho1]

When we signed Firmino I was so upbeat because I thought it was a clear sign that we would be returning to the high-press and high energy approach that made us successful two seasons ago. So far we've seen absolutely nothing to suggest that we'll be looking to play that way, which makes signing Firmino (and Lallana) for so much money look rather odd as that's exactly the type of system they flourish in.

[kingz]

Last two seasons he got 23 goals and 21 assists. I hope when he comes back there is a new manager in charge who will play him at his best position.

[spider-neil]

Needs players around him needs to be played as close to goal as possible.
Not the type of player to go past 3 on his way to goal and then slot in the bottom corner.
Coutinho and Firmino needs to swap positions. I personally don't think playing so far up field suits Phil and Bob is too deep.

[Carra-ton]

What's the latest prognosis, how long will he be out for?

[RedSince86]

Shocking stuttering fool.

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[Xxavi]

Shocking stuttering fool.

What the fuck is he saying?
-Hey Firminho... xxaxxzcjnfanf

[mersey_paradiso]

Had a good game , unlucky not to score . Looking a lot sharper and made some good passes and some cheeky touches.

Hope to see him replicate his Hoffenheim form soon !

[Flinstone]

Eh, the first match for us when he came on he flicked the ball up from a dead situation to beat the defender. His flicks are like futsal, the nutmeg today before taking the shot was brilliant.

He's going to be a big big player for us and I think it's clear he's the player who will play behind the striker.

[martinsquirtle]

Silky smooth

[The G in Gerrard]

Man of the match. More of that please.