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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1200 on: January 6, 2011, 06:38:09 pm »
John Henry, please tell me you aren't still planning on waiting till the summer. If this is the case, you are clueless to the damage currently being done to the club and the damage that will continue to be done in the coming weeks, starting Sunday.

This hasn't just reared its head this week, its been brewing for sometime now - you've made a massive misjudgement if you are only now starting at looking at an alternative scenario.

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1201 on: January 6, 2011, 06:39:25 pm »
Spot on mate, and yet typical of our modern microwave, I want it all now "supporters."

To be fair, 95% of us have been waiting for him to be sacked for about two months now. Shouldn't have gone on nearly as long as this. Its getting worse and worse.
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1202 on: January 6, 2011, 06:42:00 pm »
Its getting worse and worse.
On here it is, yes you're right about that.

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1203 on: January 6, 2011, 06:42:46 pm »
Why are people so quick to defend FSG? They've done fuck all that would prevent them from being open to criticism.
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1204 on: January 6, 2011, 06:44:14 pm »
Why are people so quick to defend FSG? They've done fuck all that would prevent them from being open to criticism.

Do you remember the old days, with Mr. Robinson as secretary? Nothing got out in the press, you got the news when LFC decided it was time for you to get the news. Maybe, just maybe FSG buy into the real Liverpool way and don't feed into these twatter obsessed cyborgs?
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1205 on: January 6, 2011, 06:46:28 pm »
Why are people so quick to defend FSG? They've done fuck all that would prevent them from being open to criticism.
And they have done fuck all to actually deserve any criticism yet.  These are the people that will be leading us into the future, we need to give them every chance to do that correctly and getting on their backs for no other reason than you think they are not doing things quick enough for you is foolish and counterproductive
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1206 on: January 6, 2011, 06:47:08 pm »
These two posts should be force fed to the idiots screaming for the new owners to hit the panic button.

I'm glad FSG arn't hitting the panic button, it's the easiest option. That's what got us into this mess in the first place.  I hope they've been sounding out a replacement for Roy the Imposter for a while now - forward planning!

It's their financial investment that is suffering and they wont allow that to continue long term - surely? 

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1207 on: January 6, 2011, 06:47:12 pm »
Do you remember the old days, with Mr. Robinson as secretary? Nothing got out in the press, you got the news when LFC decided it was time for you to get the news. Maybe, just maybe FSG buy into the real Liverpool way and don't feed into these twatter obsessed cyborgs?

Maybe they prefer feeding journos shite for days to appease fans.
"I was pleased also with Peter Crouch. We have been talking to him, before and after his nose operation, to show more confidence with his heading.
 
"Now it seems to have worked. Lets say that if he has a few games without scoring again, maybe we should arrange to break his nose again."

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1208 on: January 6, 2011, 06:47:37 pm »
Why are people so quick to defend FSG? They've done fuck all that would prevent them from being open to criticism.

They've also done fuck all to deserve criticism so far.

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1209 on: January 6, 2011, 06:47:55 pm »
Why are people so quick to defend FSG? They've done fuck all that would prevent them from being open to criticism.
I think making the club debt free (except for £37m stadium funding debt) and not being on SSN holding a Liverpool Reds mug every 8 and a half minutes spouting shite, gives them a bit of grace for a start.

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1210 on: January 6, 2011, 06:49:14 pm »
Maybe they prefer feeding journos shite for days to appease fans.

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1211 on: January 6, 2011, 06:50:22 pm »
They've also done fuck all to deserve criticism so far.
I think making the club debt free (except for £37m stadium funding debt) and not being on SSN holding a Liverpool Reds mug every 8 and a half minutes spouting shite, gives them a bit of grace for a start.

I think a lot of people are just anxious that they are not seeing and hearing every thought and decision on SSN as they have for the previous five years. I think they feel it is there god given right as a paying customer of LFC that they know what's happening. Which isn't they way Footy works, and more importantly Liverpool fc

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1212 on: January 6, 2011, 06:53:30 pm »
Yes I remember the great Peter Robinson and I trusted those types with my life, but as for FSG, they have not been around long enough (or done enough) for me to give them my trust, who are they indeed.  People must have very short memories regarding owners.  Hodgson is here to stay - its just a feeling from reading between the lines.  Those of you who think he will be gone are doing exactly the same thing - reading between the lines
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1213 on: January 6, 2011, 06:55:08 pm »
Why are people so quick to defend FSG? They've done fuck all that would prevent them from being open to criticism.

Well lets take a quick look shall we:

1) they managed to buy the club despite all of the legal and financial troubles that Hicks and Gillette gave them; they refused to give up and now are the proud owners of our beloved club
2) they hired Comolli, who, despite what some people think, is a pretty respected name in the footballing community
3) they have done everything right in terms of publicity from actually attending matches, to giving free tickets to kids for the Utrecht game, to ensuring there would be no fire sale of the better players
4) they have done a tremendous amount of research about football, and considering they have only been in the job for a few months, can't be expected to be experts on the game and make all of these amazing decisions and get us to the top of the table in no time
5) they bought the club with pretty much 0 debt, more than could be said for our previous owners
6) they have a proven track record at owning and managing sports clubs, and have been incredibly successful
7) they have been here for only 3 months now

That's why they "deserve a break." They are doing everything right at this point, looking for a CEO, researching, talking to the right people. What were they supposed to do? Walk into the club, sell all the players you saw unfit, hire Jose Mourinho, and bring Messi, Xavi, and Iniesta to the club?

They are taking their time and ensuring their decisions are right for the club 5-10 years down the line, not what's right this week. The problem is, so many members of our "fanbase" want things to change in an instant. Sky sports, knee jerk reactionaries who think that if we're not at the top of our game three months into NESV's reign they've done a shitty job. I just wish people would grow up and see the big picture here. Because NESV are actually doing the right things right now, but unfortunately our fickle fanbase can't seem to grasp that, and have only one thing on their minds, getting Roy out of our club.

I want Roy gone as much as anyone. However, do you really think firing him and being forced to bring in someone else this quickly is a genius idea? We could end up with someone just as bad if this happens too fast. I think they are just being responsible and ensuring things are set up for the future. They walked into a massive pile of shit disguised as a football club, at least give them time to implement their program before just ravenously criticizing their regime.
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1214 on: January 6, 2011, 06:57:23 pm »
After the last bunch of thieves, the default for LFC fans should NOT be one of blind faith in the owners. It should be one of scepticism. Fans should have the mindset of challenging the owners - you have said this and that but we will judge you on what you DELIVER. I am not saying that Henry and FSG are like Hicks and Gillett, but the onus is on FSG to PROVE themselves to the fanbase by their actions. Let us not forget that. The lessons of the past have been harshly learned.

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1215 on: January 6, 2011, 07:00:49 pm »
Yes I remember the great Peter Robinson and I trusted those types with my life, but as for FSG, they have not been around long enough (or done enough) for me to give them my trust, who are they indeed.  People must have very short memories regarding owners.  Hodgson is here to stay - its just a feeling from reading between the lines.  Those of you who think he will be gone are doing exactly the same thing - reading between the lines

So you don't trust them because they've not been here long enough - fair enough
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You are going to crititicise them based on a feeling you have from reading between the lines - ermmmm right

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1216 on: January 6, 2011, 07:01:27 pm »
I don't want instant millions spent on players or instant this or instant that - I just want them to do one thing, just one thing.....
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1217 on: January 6, 2011, 07:02:10 pm »
And your going to support them based on what.....
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1218 on: January 6, 2011, 07:03:36 pm »
And your going to support them based on what.....

Have YOU met John Henry?

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« Reply #1219 on: January 6, 2011, 07:04:14 pm »
Where did I criticise them - I just said they have not been here long enough for me to believe evertything they say
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1220 on: January 6, 2011, 07:04:19 pm »
And your going to support them based on what.....

Take a look at my post + being hugely successful in ownership of other sports clubs

That merits my support, not to mention they haven't done anything wrong
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1221 on: January 6, 2011, 07:05:37 pm »
Not met John Henry, but met Peter Robinson and Bob Paisley
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1222 on: January 6, 2011, 07:08:03 pm »
Christ, I never said that they have done anything wrong, I said thet they have'nt been here long enough for me to truely trust them. 
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1223 on: January 6, 2011, 07:08:23 pm »
Why are people so quick to defend FSG? They've done fuck all that would prevent them from being open to criticism.

Jeez, decades of shite off the field and people expect them to wave the wand and sort everything? If they believe getting a permanent appt rather than a caretaker is the better option long term then is that really a bad thing? Based on public opinion where we all want Roy to be gone, they can't be making changes to suit our opinions.

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1224 on: January 6, 2011, 07:09:58 pm »
And your going to support them based on what.....

Based on they haven't been here long enough to have any negativity about them, they work slower than you want, but at least they are not lying to us are they! They have had more contact with the fans than the last lot or even Robinson ever did! Did you also trust Moores to sell to right bidder or the best for him as well?

Ok so they have not sacked Roy or got in a CEO quick enough for you or in Roy's case me , but I would rather they got it right than just acted on some fans popularity or appeasement agenda and got it badly wrong!
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1225 on: January 6, 2011, 07:11:09 pm »
Take a look at my post + being hugely successful in ownership of other sports clubs

That merits my support, not to mention they haven't done anything wrong

This. Hodgson will go, what matters is having a replacement readied. The instant coffee fans wanted Rafa out and here we are stuck with the greatest LMA manager ever. If it takes a couple of games more to get the right person in then I do not see a problem. Yes, I want to know whats going on but I guess I am just not important enough to know why Dalglish is not taking the job, I do not know why Rafa is not being considered, what terms are on the table to choose a new manager. The people on the board should know and thats what matters. All indications from the club say he is going and I do not see anything suggesting otherwise. 
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« Reply #1226 on: January 6, 2011, 07:12:59 pm »
Christ, I never said that they have done anything wrong, I said thet they have'nt been here long enough for me to truely trust them. 
Fair enough mate.

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A few respected posters on here have met him and from all accounts, he's an intelligent, astute, engaging/engaged and dignified man.

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« Reply #1227 on: January 6, 2011, 07:18:23 pm »
I'm surprised FSG haven't done anything. Woke up this morning expecting RH to get the sack. Very surprised that 6 days into the transfer window we haven't done anything. You would think that FSG would attempt to do something to boost the mood around the club, esp considering the poor state of the performances.

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1228 on: January 6, 2011, 07:19:03 pm »
Why are people so quick to defend FSG? They've done fuck all that would prevent them from being open to criticism.
Currently they are due a period of grace from criticism, but not question.

Curiously, the attack dogs have hung back on issues like how Comolli came to be appointed, why it has taken so long to appoint a CEO, and why kenny hasn't been appointed to the Board.
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1229 on: January 6, 2011, 07:20:04 pm »
Jeez, decades of shite off the field and people expect them to wave the wand and sort everything? If they believe getting a permanent appt rather than a caretaker is the better option long term then is that really a bad thing? Based on public opinion where we all want Roy to be gone, they can't be making changes to suit our opinions.

Now where did I say that?

I just don't think they're beyond criticism. People will say that they've done nothing to deserve any but I disagree. They need to sack him or back him. This indecision is good for nobody. Feeding journos shite hasn't helped either.
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1230 on: January 6, 2011, 07:20:57 pm »
A few respected posters on here have met him and from all accounts, he's an intelligent, astute, engaging/engaged and dignified man.
He is a very intelligent, studious and highly respected sports owner, now granted the decision over Hofge Podge is not happening as quickly as most want it, myself included, but I have no doubts Henry and FSG are looking into this as we speak, as a matter of urgency. This is their biggest and most pressing decision so far and one they have to get 100% RIGHT. I'm sure they will and I'm sure it will happen soon, Henry & Co are winners, 7 out of 20 is not winning, the axe will fall soon, patience people.
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1231 on: January 6, 2011, 07:31:09 pm »
He is a very intelligent, studious and highly respected sports owner, now granted the decision over Hofge Podge is not happening as quickly as most want it, myself included, but I have no doubts Henry and FSG are looking into this as we speak, as a matter of urgency. This is their biggest and most pressing decision so far and one they have to get 100% RIGHT. I'm sure they will and I'm sure it will happen soon, Henry & Co are winners, 7 out of 20 is not winning, the axe will fall soon, patience people.

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1232 on: January 6, 2011, 09:00:48 pm »
I get the strong sense that even as long ago as when Comolli came in that NESV were going to replace Hodgson during this transfer window, but that they may have to move a little sooner than they anticipated.

I have been reading on this forum and others that some people are now questioning Henry, Comolli & NESV and their ability to understand Sports. In a word that's "ridiculous".

I can understand why people are saying this...

    (1) Everyone including Paul Konchesky's dear ol' mum knows that Hodgson is a deadman walking
    (2) We haven't heard anything out of Henry/Comolli/NESV since November 15th
    (3) We just spent half a decade with completely absent owners, guys who liked it that way and didn't give a damn

...but IMO people are getting a little crazy, and some downright certifiable.


Do I want Hodgson here...? Absolutely not. But I also want the right person to replace him (or at a minimum someone who can take us to the next few steps back up the ladder).

IMO, NESV believe this too... How can they not. I just think that they were hoping for another week or so before they had to make a move.


For what it's worth, here are just a few points regarding my take on all this...


IMO this is just the process that they are going through with this new Club structure.

It seems that only a few have caught on that by not coming out and supporting Hodgson that Henry, Comolli & NESV are actually communicating to the supporters their feelings about the situation.

The last time we verbally heard from Henry he said the following on Nov 15th:
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"The club has gone through a very difficult period and the period has not ended. We saw a certain team on the field against Chelsea last week that  showed what they can do. We also know how competitive the EPL is this year. There are no guaranteed matches any longer for any club. This club can be better.  Blaming the manager or any one particular player is simply wrong. This club needs to play up to their potential every match.  If they don't, they won't win."

Did Henry fully come out and support the manager...? Not even close. But he certainly stood up for him.  In a non-obvious way he was conveying to all the Liverpool supporters that the problems at the Club are much bigger than the manager or any under-performing players. Look no further than the dismissal of the Head Scout last week for proof of that.


Did Henry absolve Hodgson...?  No.  Did he say Hodgson is his guy for the remainder of the season...?   No.  But he may have (1) bought Comolli more time to evaluate Hodgson (a guy who @ the time Comolli had only worked with for 12 days) and (2) bought Comolli more time to lock in a new manager.


IMO the collective lack of support for Hodgson from the executives (Henry, Werner, Comolli, Dalglish, etc...) is ABSOLUTELY DEAFENING.  It speaks volumes of what these guys' position is with the manager.


From following Henry & NESV in Boston over the years, you can tell that these guys totally get sports club management, they understand what it takes to win championships and be in contention almost every single year, and they have no problem making tough decisions or even easy ones like firing a vastly under-performing employee (i.e. Hodgson).  But they aren't ones to fly off the handle.  They aren't ones to communicate via the press every week.

You'd have to be pretty stupid to live on Planet Earth and not to know that Hodgson needs to be relieved from his post ASAP, and it's hard for me to believe that this group of guys are stupid.


For everyone that is saying "well NESV haven't proved or done anything yet, except that they can talk a good game"...  Gimme a break:
  • Within 1 week they were meeting with fans & supporter groups & putting a face on their ownership
  • Within 2 weeks they completely started changing the entire Club's structure....  one that has been in full out ROT for the past 20+ years.  No easy task even when taking over the best run companies with the best employees.
  • Brought in a DOF role to the Club, and in doing so changed the power structure of the Club
  • Changed the communication structure of the Club (don't under estimate how difficult this is)
  • Laid down the law with the Academy & the Scouts, so we know where the new power lays there
  • Got rid of a failing Head Scout (IMO expect a lot more changes in the scouting structure)
  • Not once but twice calmed the fans down, but in doing so asked for results on the pitch and in the locker room
  • Made it such that kids now go to European games for free
Quite a list in just over 2 months of ownership.

I am not sure what people expected/expect.  When Henry made those Nov 15th statements Comolli had been working for the 1st time with Hodgson for a whopping 12 days.  Any good manager of a business would tell you that they would need more time than 12 days to do due diligence on an employee (i.e. Hodgson).

IMO, the timing was always going to be now.  Not November.  Not December.  But from Boxing Day onwards.


Like Soxfan I am a big fan of this ownership group.  They brought a championship to Boston after 86 years of finishing 2nd.  2 entire generations of my family came and went without seeing a trophy being lifted.  So I have seen what they can do not only on the playing field, but also in the community.  I see it every year.  Furthermore, I see what these guys can do outside of NESV, as the firm I work for competes with many of the NESV partners in our day jobs, so I know how they handle themselves in their other businesses.

I don't have rose colored glasses on when I assess their work.  I base it on (1) what they have done/do and (2) how they have conducted themselves in accomplishing it.  RESULTS and CHARACTER.

As it turns out they have won more hardware in 8 years of Sports ownership (if you count divisional championships & wildcard berths), than Liverpool FC have won in the past 20 (even if you include fluff things like the Super Cup).  Actually more if you want to include NESV's auto-racing team.  RESULTS...

Furthermore, look down that list of NESV partners and check out where they work and how they made their respective fortunes...  There is one underlying commonality between all of them...  They ALL, to a man, are INFORMATION FREAKS.  Their life's blood depends on it.  So, I find it difficult to believe that they haven't known what has been going on here for months and months and months.


Personally I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they knew Hodgson wasn't their guy from even before they purchased the team, but that they just wanted Comolli to make sure and do his due diligence on the First Team Manager the same way that he did his due diligence on the Liverpool Scouting System.  These guys always have a plan.  They did in Boston circa 2002 when they bought the club, named a new DOF-equivalent a month later and then sacked the existing manager 2 months after that (sound familiar).


If people are going to not trust this ownership/management or treat them with an arms-length approach, I can respect that, especially considering everything that we have gone through under Hicks/GG for the past half decade.

But don't say that these guys don't get Sports. Don't say that these guys haven't been informed or aren't informed.  And don't say that these guys haven't done anything yet at changing this Club.  Those arguments hold no water.

Anyway...


Why haven't they sacked Hodgson since Boxing Day...?  Who knows...  But here's a list that makes complete sense to me :
  • Maybe they thought that they would be able to wait another week and introduce a new manager and a new CEO at the same time
  • Maybe the managers that they have been targeting for a few months  weren't in a position to leave their respective clubs before mid-January
  • Maybe there is some sort of item in Hodgson's contract stating that if he was relieved of his duties prior to Jan 15th  (2 Saturdays from now, which is halfway through the transfer window) that he would get some sick amount of money (which considering the items in Carragher's contract that kicked in during the ownership change, it wouldn't surprise me if there is something like this)
  • Maybe they have currently agreed terms with another manager, but he has to wait around until a set date in January to receive some sort of payout from his existing club (it happens in other professions so I am assuming it happens in this one, too), so they have to stay mum
Still...   All those potential reasons don't explain why they haven't named an interim manager for a few weeks...  But who knows... maybe Kenny has indicated that he doesn't want it anymore and maybe like the former Head of Scouting just last week, Sammy Lee's time is up @ the club, too.


Regardless, Hodgson is a deadman walking...  We all know it.  Hodgson knows it.  And you can bet our owners & Comolli have known for a while, too.

If you followed other managers @ big clubs who have gotten the sack this past month (i.e. Rafa), you know that it might take a day or two to hammer out details with the various attorneys before you announce that they have been sacked.  I see this situation as the same way.

He'll be gone by the end of the week.


For what it's worth...
If Liverpool's good fortunes were a public stock I would be backing the truck up and piling it away.  Our good fortunes are a home-run.  Things were @ their bleakest under Hicks&GG this summer & early fall.  We turned the corner as a Club months ago...  Big structural changes have already taken place.  This on-the-pitch downturn is temporary and is nothing more than a great opportunity for us.


Furthermore, even from a Transfer Market standpoint, Henry/NESV are going to HAVE to say something about the managerial situation ASAP.  Comolli is trying to get talent in here at the First Team level and also into the Academy.  He knows that any Liverpool January transfer target isn't going to want to go here if they were uncertain about what type of system they were going into.


And if in the very very VERY REMOTE chance that Henry/Werner/Comolli come out in support of Hodgson until the end of the season, then I will understand that regardless how much I disagree with the decision that he'll be here until then. That doesn't mean I or anyone else is going to sing his name @ 11th Street Bar in NYC or in The Kop, it just means that I'll continue to back this Club & Team during his management.


EDIT:  And for what it's worth, I hope someone removes that "Hodgson Out" graffiti from Melwood. IMO, that's completely over-the-line and not what most of us expect from 99% of the supporters, but yet that's the stuff that is plastered all over the world media and the stuff by which other supporters are now defining us.
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1233 on: January 6, 2011, 09:11:30 pm »
Ok so they have not sacked Roy or got in a CEO quick enough for you or in Roy's case me , but I would rather they got it right than just acted on some fans popularity or appeasement agenda and got it badly wrong!

Definitely. I think NESV are probably working hard behind the scenes to eliminate some of the poisonous elements, which have suffocated this club over the past few seasons. Certainly, I'd like for them to get rid of Hodgson as soon as possible, but I think they've probably been caught in a bind. There is no way their desired candidate would want to come here midway through the season, especially when the likes of Klopp and Villas Boas are impressively marching on to winning their respective leagues. I'm sure they also would highly prefer not to be hiring someone for the next six months. I'd rather see NESV solve problems on a level designed for long-term gains, than simply putting a plaster over the leaks. Hiring a CEO, re-organizing the organizational culture, evaluating prospective managerial candidates, unfortunately in the real world these things take time.

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1234 on: January 6, 2011, 09:30:29 pm »


Good post, imo and pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter too.
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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1235 on: January 6, 2011, 09:32:41 pm »

Thanks for putting all that together. Might bring a bit of perspective to some.

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1236 on: January 6, 2011, 09:36:32 pm »
Thanks for putting all that together. Might bring a bit of perspective to some.
Whilst the majority will have their fingers in their ears, singing la la la...

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Re: A Message to John Henry
« Reply #1237 on: January 6, 2011, 09:41:34 pm »
Whilst the majority will have their fingers in their ears, singing la la la...
It'd either make ya cry, laugh or just walk the fuck away from it all while laughing maniacally!





Jesus fucking wept! ::)

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« Reply #1238 on: January 6, 2011, 09:41:56 pm »
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Cracking post, Really puts the way the owners etc operate and ways of dealings with things like this


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« Reply #1239 on: January 6, 2011, 09:44:59 pm »
It'd either make ya cry, laugh or just walk the fuck away from it all while laughing maniacally!





Jesus fucking wept! ::)
To think of all the hard work that some people put into the campaigns as well.
Fucking sickens me mate..