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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7280 on: December 23, 2011, 08:01:08 pm »
Heard Evra will demand that the Argentine NT be thrown out of Fifa because of this


RACIST BUNCH OF BASTARDS  :no














the fa will probably arrange a friendly with argentina and then report this picture to fifa as racism and demand long international bans for all of them in the hope that england might beat them ;) ::)

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Re: Media double standards on racism #2134 - The Daily Mail
« Reply #7281 on: December 23, 2011, 08:01:11 pm »
Get in! Arguing amongst ourselves now. Brilliant stuff!

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Re: Media double standards on racism #2134 - The Daily Mail
« Reply #7282 on: December 23, 2011, 08:04:33 pm »
However Martinez at Wigan seems to be excluded from the foreign manager strategy!

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7283 on: December 23, 2011, 08:06:59 pm »
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Sums them up really. Haha

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7284 on: December 23, 2011, 08:08:02 pm »
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Which is fucking sad, isn't it.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7285 on: December 23, 2011, 08:11:07 pm »
Funniest thing about that Evra thread is they all fucking hate him :)
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7286 on: December 23, 2011, 08:13:00 pm »
For anyone who's interested, I just consulted my Spanish girlfriend about the word "sudaca." To preface this it must be said that she's got a much different attitude toward racism from mine (I'm American). Since she left the rather traditional confines of Spain she's gathered a lot of friends of many races and is certainly no racist - but she still doesn't, for example, see why the Spanish basketball team's "Chinese eyes" picture from the Beijing Olympics is considered offensive.

So, her description of "sudaca" is basically this: it's definitely a pejorative word, and is considered relatively offensive, but it's not a racial slur on the order of the N word. She describes it as "a way to say South American in a condescending manner without actually speaking in a condescending manner." So if, for example, I were to say "Hey, you should meet my sudaca friend," it wouldn't be as bad as saying "you should meet my friend, who's a dirty South American c**t," but it would be along the lines of "you should meet my friend, who's South American and therefore on the inferior side of the Spanish-speaking coin."

So, long story short, it's only a mildly offensive word but lacks the potential affectionate use of "negrito." It also certainly breaks the FA's stated rule against using someone's nationality/ethnic origins in a disparaging manner.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7287 on: December 23, 2011, 08:14:14 pm »
Sums them up really. Haha

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7288 on: December 23, 2011, 08:14:18 pm »
Funniest thing about that Evra thread is they all fucking hate him :)
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7289 on: December 23, 2011, 08:18:35 pm »
The FA (Fergie Association) already have their job done. S7 and our team will be distracted. Every time on the pitch, S7 will be booed by the fans from the opposite teams. Let say, even FA finally clear his name (not going to happen), those fans will still keep calling him racist. It will affect his performance or focus somewhat. Nice job, FA.

If the court finds Terry guilty, let see how many games he will be banned.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7290 on: December 23, 2011, 08:22:15 pm »
The main thing I've heard from the pious, patronising, offended on behalf of the poor little angel Evra is that we need to "educate" the likes of the bigoted Suarez who don't know what they're saying and how their words upset people.  So, a three year old child uses the word fuck 'cause he's heard it at nursery.  How do the parents put the child right?  Do they say " that's not a nice word and you're not supposed to say it, so please don't do it again".  Or do they belt the innocent mite in the gob then lock him in his room for three days with no scoff?  Indeed, so how does banning Suarez for 8 games and fining him "educate" him where getting the two people in a room and telling him how Evra felt about the use of the word (genuinely or otherwise) doesn't?

The problem with common sense is that it's not very common.

The FA have fucked this up good style.  They need to be held to account more than anyone else (except maybe that Ginger twat on TalkShite).
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Re: Media double standards on racism #2134 - The Daily Mail
« Reply #7291 on: December 23, 2011, 08:24:59 pm »
hypocrisy & irony;

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sudaca


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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7292 on: December 23, 2011, 08:25:05 pm »
The main thing I've heard from the pious, patronising, offended on behalf of the poor little angel Evra is that we need to "educate" the likes of the bigoted Suarez who don't know what they're saying and how their words upset people.  So, a three year old child uses the word fuck 'cause he's heard it at nursery.  How do the parents put the child right?  Do they say " that's not a nice word and you're not supposed to say it, so please don't do it again".  Or do they belt the innocent mite in the gob then lock him in his room for three days with no scoff?  Indeed, so how does banning Suarez for 8 games and fining him "educate" him where getting the two people in a room and telling him how Evra felt about the use of the word (genuinely or otherwise) doesn't?

The problem with common sense is that it's not very common.

The FA have fucked this up good style.  They need to be held to account more than anyone else (except maybe that Ginger twat on TalkShite).
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7293 on: December 23, 2011, 08:26:17 pm »
S7? Please, no.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7294 on: December 23, 2011, 08:27:28 pm »
S7? Please, no.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7295 on: December 23, 2011, 08:32:06 pm »
S7

What does Sheffield have to do with any of this?
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7296 on: December 23, 2011, 08:34:41 pm »
Dear Monsieur Evra

Please explain the meaning of the term "Sudaca"...??

Is it the Spanish colonnial equivalant of the English disgraceful acronym Western Oriental Gentlemen, please clarify.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7297 on: December 23, 2011, 08:36:40 pm »
The main thing I've heard from the pious, patronising, offended on behalf of the poor little angel Evra is that we need to "educate" the likes of the bigoted Suarez who don't know what they're saying and how their words upset people.  So, a three year old child uses the word fuck 'cause he's heard it at nursery.  How do the parents put the child right?  Do they say " that's not a nice word and you're not supposed to say it, so please don't do it again".  Or do they belt the innocent mite in the gob then lock him in his room for three days with no scoff?  Indeed, so how does banning Suarez for 8 games and fining him "educate" him where getting the two people in a room and telling him how Evra felt about the use of the word (genuinely or otherwise) doesn't?

The problem with common sense is that it's not very common.

The FA have fucked this up good style.  They need to be held to account more than anyone else (except maybe that Ginger twat on TalkShite).

Good post, I did think maybe a suspended sentence would have been ok because thats like saying now you know it's wrong here, dont do it again

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7298 on: December 23, 2011, 08:41:33 pm »
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LOL they're so obsessed with our forum.


How did you find that out btw  :duh

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7299 on: December 23, 2011, 08:43:05 pm »
Heard Evra will demand that the Argentine NT be thrown out of Fifa because of this


Great find!  should post this in the PFA thread as well.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7300 on: December 23, 2011, 08:44:01 pm »
send the photo to talk shite...

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7301 on: December 23, 2011, 08:45:56 pm »

I've read Spanish speakers saying it is very offensive and compared it to a couple of words in English that are amongst the worst ethnic slurs.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7302 on: December 23, 2011, 08:46:41 pm »
Did Evra actually say Sudaca?

Chastising him without knowing for certain that he said that is as bad as the press chastising Suarez without facts.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7303 on: December 23, 2011, 08:48:36 pm »
send the photo to talk shite...
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7304 on: December 23, 2011, 08:48:41 pm »
Did Evra actually say Sudaca?

Chastising him without knowing for certain that he said that is as bad as the press chastising Suarez without facts.

Was just about to say this.

You'd think people would have figured out the double standards on show when suggesting Evra said something we don't yet know.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7305 on: December 23, 2011, 08:50:15 pm »
Good post, I did think maybe a suspended sentence would have been ok because thats like saying now you know it's wrong here, dont do it again
Is right, and maybe make a substantial donation to a charity of Evra's choice?  The ban and the fine are of no import.  The thing that matters is that Suarez is being branded.  He used the word in all innocence, and admitted to using it in all innocence.  If he really was a racist etc would he have admitted saying it?  He's made a genuine, possibly childish, mistake and the world is kicking him in the nuts for being naive.   

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7306 on: December 23, 2011, 08:52:57 pm »
I never thought I'd agree with Gough but he's right here, this needs cutting in the bud I just feel were in too deep now.

This is spiralling out of control now, when a simple apology if he's been misunderstood but no offence was meant would of ended it and got the ban reduced on appeal.

It is an unholy mess but Luis Suarez and Liverpool Football Club have nothing at all to apologise for.

You're allowing these empty vessels to panic you - a bit like the Irish caller who has apparently been shamed into renouncing his faith. Don't fall for it. I know it's very unpleasant to hear their nonsense but even now it's clear from what they're spouting - particularly Gough - that the seeds of doubt are starting to be sown due to the intensity of the solidarity behind Luis.

They - mainly Gough - are nowhere near as strident as they were just 24 hours earlier. He [Gough] is now questioning the wisdom of the FA not releasing the full details behind their decision. The more shite they spout the more they're merely digging a deeper hole for themselves. By the time the truth reveals itself to the majority [who have jumped so eagerly onto the self righteous racist bandwagon] and the veil of ignorance gradually disperses to reveal the decision as the utter sham it so manifestly is, their primary objective will be to find the best way of backtracking on the drivel they've been spouting.

Though we haven't actually heard the facts of the matter those of us who were there to see Evra's feigning injury and subsequent snarling his aggression to Suarez prior to any verbal interchange - and have had the Uruguyan colloquialism explained to us - have now been able to grasp what has happened. 

In stark contrast, the Durham/Gough stance - and that of all those slandering/libelling an innocent man - uses as its pivot the fact that the panel found Suarez guilty of racist connotations within his retort to Evra ergo he actually must be guilty [some say racist] ergo he should be condemned by every Liverpudlian ergo he and the club should apologise.

As we are now aware those panel findings are based on literal English translation rather than actual meaning and on the fact Evra's ridiculous over-reaction must have represented conclusive evidence of intended racial offence by Suarez as distinct from the innocuous perhaps slightly patronising questioning it actually was. As such the entire basis for the decision by the panel lacks any justification whatsoever. Hence the strident rebuttal by LFC.

Ultimately, the charge will have to be dropped - either by court order or willingly - or at the very least significantly abated to shed any racist connotation. And at that juncture so many posturing self righteous hypocrites within the media - not least these two morons - will be revealed for what they are - namely no better than the vigilante lynch mob who lap up their drivel.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7307 on: December 23, 2011, 08:52:59 pm »
Great find!  should post this in the PFA thread as well.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7308 on: December 23, 2011, 08:59:43 pm »
Did Evra actually say Sudaca?

Chastising him without knowing for certain that he said that is as bad as the press chastising Suarez without facts.

"...you South American you...."

Oh come on.....

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7309 on: December 23, 2011, 09:04:35 pm »
Its still conjecture.  On both sides of the argument.  Awfully hypocritical.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7311 on: December 23, 2011, 09:06:42 pm »
Ultimately, the charge will have to be dropped - either by court order or willingly - or at the very least significantly abated to shed any racist connotation.

He has already been found guilty of the charge against him. I'm not sure the courts would accept a case such as this regarding the affairs of the FA? They certainly haven't allowed it in the past.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7312 on: December 23, 2011, 09:12:16 pm »
Whatever he did or didnt actually say to Evra, you cant deny the guy acts like a fucking prick.
Lets not sugar coat it, if he played for Man U or Everton we would all fucking hate him. The diving, asking refs to book other players, the gesturing to oppo fans.
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« Reply #7313 on: December 23, 2011, 09:15:02 pm »
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7314 on: December 23, 2011, 09:15:21 pm »
He admitted he said it....."you South American you..." in Spanish = "Sudaca"

In the same way that Luis admitted..."negrito"...in Spanish

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« Reply #7315 on: December 23, 2011, 09:17:19 pm »

Open the window quick somebody...I smell shite.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7316 on: December 23, 2011, 09:18:30 pm »
Whatever he did or didnt actually say to Evra, you cant deny the guy acts like a fucking prick.
Lets not sugar coat it, if he played for Man U or Everton we would all fucking hate him. The diving, asking refs to book other players, the gesturing to oppo fans.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7317 on: December 23, 2011, 09:18:43 pm »
Whatever he did or didnt actually say to Evra, you cant deny the guy acts like a fucking prick.
Lets not sugar coat it, if he played for Man U or Everton we would all fucking hate him. The diving, asking refs to book other players, the gesturing to oppo fans.
He is a fabulous footballer. The only true world class talent we have, but as a personality he comes across as a dickhead.


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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7318 on: December 23, 2011, 09:18:44 pm »
Yesterday had a little exchange with a mate of mine who used to live in Ecuador and travelled all over South America.

He reckons that in South America (note: NOT Spain) "sudaca" is not massively racist, but pejorative and "you'd say it with a hand over your mouth and a wink". He goes on to say that "sudaca" and "negrito" are probably morally equivalent and if viewed in the context of chit-chat on the pitch, would not carry any racists connotations in either direction.

assuming evra did say sudaca (yes, big assumption, i know) this is intriguing, and is possibly where the speculation gets really interesting (well, if you're a linguist like me...)  if the above is a fair representation of the relative weight of the two words evra finds himself in a dilemma. 

as a european (well, an african, but one who moved to europe at a very young age) and an accomplished polyglot, the understanding of sudaca evra has would likely be from the 'standard' (i.e. from spain) european version of the language.  by all accounts the word sudaca in that context is utterly reprehensible and viciously racist and he should be charged and banned immediately.

now the alternative view evra could realistically take is that he was using it in its south american context (knowing that suarez is from uruguay), which based on the above account is less of a racial slur, and he is less blameworthy.  but it is inconceivable (to me at least) that he can claim this sort of cultural appreciation of the nuances of south american spanish, and yet still be unaware of the cultural significance of the words suarez is alleged to have used.  similarly, if the FA believe evra's culturally specific reading of sudaca, then why can they not do the same for suarez?
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7319 on: December 23, 2011, 09:19:32 pm »
Met him have you.....fucking Tesco Allerton...??  Do fuck off

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Quote from: tubby on Today at 12:45:53 pm

They both went in high, that's factually correct, both tried to play the ball at height.  Doku with his foot, Mac Allister with his chest.