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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #80 on: September 1, 2010, 05:45:15 am »
Dont think the NHS is overrated mate, underated after being here so long, verging on medical paradise, practically free as well (Sikco is right in an odd way, confuses the fuck out of the Chinese when they watch that - tax = health care - Uhhh, its called socialism, Uhhh. I used to moan all the time back home, not now though. Most foreigners here are either 'teachers'? or describe themselves as 'a buisnessman.' Can't fucking wait to get back home, me Mrs too

It is nice to go home. I was looking forward to getting home as well and it was nice to get feet on the ground in WA before I left on my rotation...you can only tolerate China for so long....but Singapore, Hong Kong or Bangkok..I would have no problems migrating and living them upon retirement...all are absolutely perfect.
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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #81 on: September 1, 2010, 05:48:27 am »
Souxie and the banshie didn't work for me mate..lol...Hong Kong and China are better than all that...

Not quite there for me either, better summary than the posts in this thread though, yours included.

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #82 on: September 1, 2010, 05:52:19 am »
Not quite there for me either, better summary than the posts in this thread though, yours included.


I still prefer one night in bangkok....:)

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #83 on: September 1, 2010, 06:54:40 am »
you can only tolerate China for so long....but Singapore, Hong Kong or Bangkok..I would have no problems migrating and living them upon retirement...all are absolutely perfect.

don't know much about Bangkok, but isn't Singapore and Hong Kong totally different environments from China, at least the side of China you were talking about earlier.



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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #84 on: September 1, 2010, 10:01:24 am »
don't know much about Bangkok, but isn't Singapore and Hong Kong totally different environments from China, at least the side of China you were talking about earlier.


Less pollution (singapore) but hugely dynamic places to live. Hong Kong never sleeps and I love the lifestyle, with a huge expatriate community. With Singapore, its just so organized, so clean, so perfect....put's London to shame.

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Oh, and crime is like in single digits.
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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #85 on: September 1, 2010, 03:20:59 pm »
Not exactly what I was talking about.  I was talking about things that make Hong Kong #1 in the world and Singapore #2 in the world in the Fraser Institute's Economic Freedom of the World Index and in the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom, while China sits in the bottom half of both.

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #86 on: September 2, 2010, 07:58:58 am »
Not exactly what I was talking about.  I was talking about things that make Hong Kong #1 in the world and Singapore #2 in the world in the Fraser Institute's Economic Freedom of the World Index and in the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom, while China sits in the bottom half of both.

Essentially, life in singapore and hong kong are far better than many european or american city's....the world is changing and the future is in Asia....

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #87 on: September 2, 2010, 05:00:58 pm »
Essentially, life in singapore and hong kong are far better than many european or american city's....the world is changing and the future is in Asia....



yes, but that has nothing to do with white elephant government spending

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #88 on: September 3, 2010, 02:47:55 am »
yes, but that has nothing to do with white elephant government spending

So, you believe the chinese government is spending blindly? I have to disagree.
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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #89 on: September 3, 2010, 06:00:23 am »
So, you believe the chinese government is spending blindly? I have to disagree.

nothing to do with the Chinese government.  It is inherent in the nature of government spending.

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #90 on: September 3, 2010, 06:11:09 am »
nothing to do with the Chinese government.  It is inherent in the nature of government spending.

So? What's your point.

At least the chinese government is spending their money on infrastructure, agriculture, and improving the way of life of its people. Which is more than I can say about our own government; bailing out banks, paying through the nose to people who don't want to work, illegal immigrants who shouldn't be in the country in the first place, etc etc...

As much as I hate saying it, we really screwed ourselves this time over..or rather our government did.

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #91 on: September 3, 2010, 08:04:00 am »
I'm thinking of opening a British Chippy in Guangzhou.

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #92 on: September 3, 2010, 08:54:22 am »
I'm thinking of opening a British Chippy in Guangzhou.

Only chippies?
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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #93 on: September 3, 2010, 04:34:07 pm »
So? What's your point.

At least the chinese government is spending their money on infrastructure, agriculture, and improving the way of life of its people. Which is more than I can say about our own government; bailing out banks, paying through the nose to people who don't want to work, illegal immigrants who shouldn't be in the country in the first place, etc etc...

As much as I hate saying it, we really screwed ourselves this time over..or rather our government did.


http://mises.org/daily/3573

My point is that it doesn't matter WHAT they are spending the money on.  It is still destructive.



The Chinese government doesn't give a shit about improving the lives of 'its' people.  Look at what its doing with their money, they are purposefully making their people poorer.

http://mises.org/daily/4256




But I don't want to act like they are doing everything wrong over there:

In some ways China is more capitalistic than the United States:  http://mises.org/daily/3293

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #94 on: September 4, 2010, 11:08:03 am »
Not all socialist countries have turned out bad.

But which truly socialist countires are successful??

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #95 on: September 4, 2010, 11:20:47 am »
So? What's your point.

At least the chinese government is spending their money on infrastructure, agriculture, and improving the way of life of its people. Which is more than I can say about our own government; bailing out banks, paying through the nose to people who don't want to work, illegal immigrants who shouldn't be in the country in the first place, etc etc...

As much as I hate saying it, we really screwed ourselves this time over..or rather our government did.



I think its less a case of we screwed ourselves over, more that we (the west) become a victim of its own success. As the west became more wealthy economies of scale moved, and remain, east, at least in terms of production and manufacturing. China has a massive trade surplus simply because it lacks a consumption focussed middle-class, unlike the west. Whats its been doing, as we all know, is lending it back to the west (or US govt) via its t-bills.

As far as I can see China is now slowly developing a middle class as people become more affluent. Over decades these people will demand more freedom and more democracy. They will push wage expectations up, and the economies of scale currently on offer (to the west) will slowly disappear.

The trend can be eroded, if not reduced, by inflating our debt to the east away, but it could be messy over here and come at a great cost to the middle-class here too.

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #96 on: September 4, 2010, 05:36:58 pm »
What China wants, it does. What it wants built, it builds. None of these time wasting council meetings, and nonsense we face with the building of our stadium in Liverpool. If it was in China, stadium approval would have been given a long time ago.

sorry - couldnt help it...

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #97 on: September 5, 2010, 01:05:11 am »
But which truly socialist countires are successful??

Scandanavian countries?
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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #98 on: September 5, 2010, 01:05:43 am »
This is what we do. And we do it very well. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bM8gOyjeuc

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #100 on: September 5, 2010, 01:16:09 am »
http://theuklibertarian.com/2010/06/22/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/

It's a myth?

Socialism is an economic system. As such, it would have no bearing on freedom of speech or related personal freedoms. Also, a Socialist country with a Democratic system of government can negate any chance of a tyrannical dictator coming into power. Of course, this would require an educated voting base. Which is seeming to become increasingly unfeasible in this country, but that's beside the point.

Socialism isn't bad. If the government is honest and really puts the welfare of it's citizens first it can be a good thing. You keep hearing people ask the question, "Do you really want our government in charge of things?" Well, maybe not our government. Our government has been so wasteful and neglectful, power hungry and dishonest. It might be scary for our government to oversee things.

My personal opinion is that, if we were to properly educate the American and British societies, an economic system such as Sweden's is quite feasible.

In Australia, we don't need to worry; our system works. And we're not bankrupt.
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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #101 on: September 5, 2010, 02:07:26 am »
It's a myth?

Socialism is an economic system. As such, it would have no bearing on freedom of speech or related personal freedoms. Also, a Socialist country with a Democratic system of government can negate any chance of a tyrannical dictator coming into power. Of course, this would require an educated voting base. Which is seeming to become increasingly unfeasible in this country, but that's beside the point.

Socialism isn't bad. If the government is honest and really puts the welfare of it's citizens first it can be a good thing. You keep hearing people ask the question, "Do you really want our government in charge of things?" Well, maybe not our government. Our government has been so wasteful and neglectful, power hungry and dishonest. It might be scary for our government to oversee things.

My personal opinion is that, if we were to properly educate the American and British societies, an economic system such as Sweden's is quite feasible.

In Australia, we don't need to worry; our system works. And we're not bankrupt.


the two main points of it are: Scandanavia isn't quite as socialist as is typically described, and mainly that they aren't doing as great economically as typically described, so yes it is a myth that Scandanavia is an example of 'successful socialism'

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/510

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1020

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #102 on: September 5, 2010, 03:21:18 am »
the two main points of it are: Scandanavia isn't quite as socialist as is typically described, and mainly that they aren't doing as great economically as typically described, so yes it is a myth that Scandanavia is an example of 'successful socialism'

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/510

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1020

why do they have to be doing great economically to be judged a success.. they regularly rank highly on quality of life indexes.. surely a better measure of sucess..
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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #103 on: September 5, 2010, 03:58:48 am »
why do they have to be doing great economically to be judged a success.. they regularly rank highly on quality of life indexes.. surely a better measure of sucess..

And I'm not even a big fan of Bryan Caplan, but this is a pretty good line:
 "Scandinavia comes out on top according to the HDI because the HDI is basically a measure of how Scandinavian your country is. "


http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/05/against_the_hum.html

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #104 on: September 6, 2010, 12:27:44 am »
I like the scandanavian model...it works. And I love it.
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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #105 on: September 9, 2010, 11:24:58 am »
Link: http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/17bot/Article/

China needs to act now for political reform

Read more: China needs to act now for political reform http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/17bot/Article/#ixzz0z1iWJeQ9

THIRTY years ago, China's paramount leader Deng Xiaoping designated Shenzhen, a sleepy fishing village next to Hong Kong, as the country's first special economic zone. Today, it is the fastest-growing city in China, with a population of 14 million people.

On Monday, Shenzhen celebrated its 30th anniversary in grand style, with President Hu Jintao complimenting the city on its achievements in economic reform and calling on it to continue playing its role as a forerunner, including in political reform.

The anniversary is providing the occasion for renewed discussion of the need for political reform in the country, a very sensitive subject.


While China has made great strides in economic development in the last 30 years and is now the world's second-largest economy, this has not been matched by similar progress in political reform, largely because the ruling Communist Party is fearful of instability and desires to ensure its own monopoly of power.

Premier Wen Jiabao, in a speech in the city late last month, made a strong pitch for political reform, warning that China "may lose what it has already achieved through economic restructuring" in the absence of similar political restructuring.

While Hu, in his Shenzhen speech, did not address the need for political reform in the country, he went to some length to discuss what kinds of political reforms ought to be initiated by Shenzhen, including ensuring that citizens have the right to be informed, to participate in governance, to be heard and to monitor the government.


The renewed talk of political reform has led to a burst of optimism about democratisation in the country. The Century Weekly, for example, published an editorial headlined "Wait's over for political reform in China".

"China's political system is increasingly at odds with its economy," the editorial said.

"It also not only contradicts the Communist Party's decision to undertake reform but disregards the will of the people as well."


But Century Weekly may well be too optimistic. While there seems to be general agreement on the need for political reform, little is being done on a practical level.

Three years ago, at the 17th party congress, the same themes were heard in the report that Hu, who is also the party's general secretary, delivered.

Hu talked then about the need to develop "socialist democracy", and promised: "On the basis of ensuring the people's position as masters of the country, we will expand socialist democracy [and] build a socialist country under the rule of law."

Wen is regarded as the member of the leadership who is closest to the people.

During the Sichuan earthquake of May 2008, he called himself "Grandpa Wen" as he assured children trapped in the rubble that they would be rescued in time.

However, even the premier's image has taken a battering as year after year has gone by with little concrete to show in terms of political reform.

In fact, one outspoken writer, Yu Jie, has published a book in Hong Kong titled China's Best Actor, Wen Jiabao, in which he accuses the premier of hypocrisy, pretending to show sympathy for the people so they will continue to trust the government.

While Wen may not be acting, he clearly is only one voice within a leadership that pays lip service to political reform while placing a higher priority on political stability and, if need be, repressive measures to maintain the authority of the Communist Party.

Some senior officials, in fact, believe that the country's economic progress shows that political reform is not needed even though the party officially supports political reform.

Both Hu and Wen will have to step down in 2013 and, if no major changes are instituted during their remaining time in office, the new leadership team that takes over is unlikely to institute major reform until it has been in power for some time.

This means that if the Hu-Wen leadership does not act soon, China is unlikely to see major political reforms for at least the next five years, despite everyone at senior levels agreeing on the desirability of such changes.

What is needed now is action, before pent-up frustrations result in an explosion that cannot be contained.

Shenzhen has made remarkable economic progress during the last 30 years, but China cannot wait for another 30 years to make political reforms.

If Hu and Wen mean what they say, they have to grasp the nettle. What is needed is political will.


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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #106 on: September 9, 2010, 12:03:17 pm »
China seem to have it "together"...India on the other hand, still lost at sea. The world's biggest democracy can't seem to get out of 2nd gear. For all its gains, it is still plauged by massive problems with corruption, run down/poor infrastructure, a population that doesn't show any signs of slowly down in numbers, etc etc..

With the chinese, they have seen the problems and introduced a 1 child/2 child/3 child policy depending on where one resides...and they are spending huge amounts on developing infrastructure and rail services, medical services and education for those in the rural areas as they realize agriculture is crucial to the country's future as much as construction and the service industry.



Don't agree. China is a powerhouse but India is very much on their coat tails. But between them, we are certainly seeing a shift in power from the west to them 2.

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #107 on: September 9, 2010, 01:04:21 pm »
Don't agree. China is a powerhouse but India is very much on their coat tails. But between them, we are certainly seeing a shift in power from the west to them 2.

Spent 3 weeks in India travelling around with the family after an anti-terrorism conference...what I saw is pale in comparison to what I just saw in India not two weeks ago; also spent 3 weeks travelling around from east to west China. And there was a BIG BIG difference in infrastructure, wealth of the government, etc etc...

India may have a sound education system...but everything else is just year's behind China in just about every aspect not related to the military.

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Re: The China Express Train and how Europe is in decline
« Reply #108 on: September 12, 2010, 06:17:48 pm »
Schwarzenegger checks out China's high-speed rail

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SHANGHAI – Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is engaging in a little window-shopping of China's new high-speed train lines while peddling Californian exports and tourism in the world's second-largest economy.

His own state budget $19 billion in the red, Schwarzenegger says he is hoping for some "creative financing" from Asia to help lower costs and get California's proposed high-speed rail lines up and running.

Industry experts say cash-rich China may be best placed to help with funding, and less risk averse than others whose banks are still recovering from the financial crisis. That could prove a key competitive advantage as it goes head-to-head against better established high-speed rivals rail in Asia and Europe.

"That is something very attractive about the Chinese which the Europeans will find very difficult to compete with," said Michael Clausecker, director general of Unife, the Association of the European Rail Industry. "Even in America, finance is a scarce resource. Rail investments need a lot of investment up front."

China has invested huge prestige, and tens of billions of dollars, in its high-speed rail industry — building on mostly European know-how acquired in joint ventures with Siemens AG, Alstom SA and to a lesser extent Japan's "Shinkansen" bullet train operators. It is gearing up to fight for a chunk of what Unife estimates to be a 122 billion euros ($155 billion)-a-year global market for railways.

Schwarzenegger posed for photos Sunday on a high-speed train in Shanghai, after spending Saturday, the first day of his weeklong trade mission of nearly 100 business leaders, hobnobbing in Hangzhou with Jack Ma, founder of Internet trading behemoth Alibaba.com, and other Chinese entrepreneurs.

"Today what I have seen is very, very impressive. We hope China is part of the bidding process, along with other countries around the world, so that we can build high speed rail as inexpensively as possible," he told reporters.

He also announced a plan for Silicon Valley to bid for the 2020 World Expo, which would be California's first time to host the event since 1940.

The governor will also check out high-speed rail in Japan and South Korea — two others among at least seven countries that have officially shown interest in helping develop California's system — assuming the state can find the money.

"There is great potential over there and in Japan and Korea, when it comes to building our high-speed rail and also providing the money for building the high-speed rail," Schwarzenegger told reporters before leaving California.

The fact-finding mission is also aimed at better understanding the technologies on offer.

"He will learn a lot from that," said T.C. Kao, director of the Railway Technology Research Center at National Taiwan University, who has introduced many U.S. delegations to the technology.

"They get the impression, 'We need it.' They feel behind," he said. "You have to experience it to understand."

The U.S. is the world leader in freight railway technology but has almost no high-speed rail expertise. It will have to import the technology for the 13 regional projects that have won $8.5 billion in initial federal funding, with $2.5 billion more to come this year and hundreds of billions needed before lines are up and running.

China already has the world's longest high-speed rail network, about 4,300 miles (6,920 kilometers) of routes, including nearly 1,250 miles (2,000 kilometers) that can run at top speeds of 220 miles per hour (350 kph). It aims to develop 9,900 miles (16,000 kilometers) of such routes by 2020.

All of that construction involves "highly sophisticated work on infrastructure, on rails and design of track structure," says Chris Barkan, director of the Railroad Engineering Program at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champagne, who recently toured facilities in China, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan.

A visit to a mammoth manufacturing plant in the eastern city of Qingdao "absolutely blew me away," he says.

Having already build up a huge capacity for manufacturing trains and the systems to serve them, China is looking for a chance to prove it has the wherewithall to export the most advanced technology.

"China now owns the most advanced high-speed rail technology and winning contracts in the U.S. would surely help it to sell more to other countries," said He Xin, an industry analyst at Donghai Securities in Beijing.

Other industry experts say it is difficult to know just how much China has achieved on its own. Both European and Japanese industry officials have expressed skepticism.

But Chinese officials insist the technology they plan to export is truly their own. They also have hired American lawyers to check for potential intellectual property problems, says T.C. Kao, director of the Railway Technology Research Center at National Taiwan University.

"China is probably pretty sure it can pass the test on IP," says Kao, former vice president of Taiwan's high speed rail company. "China has copied, yes, but it has improved on the technology. Many things have been altered."

Kao and other experts say that as newcomers, the Chinese would face logistical and regulatory challenges in entering a brand new market, compared with companies like Siemens, Alstom SA and Canada's Bombadier Inc. which already have train factories in the U.S.

But China's experience in gradually raising the speeds of its train systems and then adding high-speed rail, sometimes on dual-use tracks, may give it an edge in designing systems suitable for the U.S., which in most areas plans a similar incremental approach.

South Korea's KTX high-speed rail, which is based on France's TGV technology, shares the same advantage, said Kim Seok-gi, director of the international railroad division at South Korea's Ministry of Land, Transport and Maritime Affairs.

South Korea is "absolutely interested" in California's projects and meanwhile is preparing a bid for a high-speed rail project in Brazil linking Rio de Janiero, Sao Paulo and Campinas, he said.

For Japan, which pioneered high-speed rail in 1964, billions in contracts would be a welcome boost to the faltering economy. But its bullet trains, despite their impeccable record for safety and efficiency, run on dedicated tracks.

California and other states will eventually have to adapt whatever systems they choose to local conditions, and step up training of engineers and other personnel needed to build and run those trains by "orders of magnitude," said Barkan from the European rail industry group.

"We're not going to be able to pick up train technology from elsewhere, drop it down in the United States and expect it to work perfectly," he said. "The question is where is the intellectual talent to build all these systems?"
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« Reply #109 on: September 12, 2010, 08:34:20 pm »
Don't agree. China is a powerhouse but India is very much on their coat tails. But between them, we are certainly seeing a shift in power from the west to them 2.
India has the huge benefit of a common language with the Western world and a legal system based on that of the UK. This is allowing their manufacturing and commercial base to prosper at a rate that is almost equal to that of China. However, it terms of infrastructure India is years behind China.
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« Reply #110 on: September 13, 2010, 12:20:41 am »
It is nice to go home. I was looking forward to getting home as well and it was nice to get feet on the ground in WA before I left on my rotation...you can only tolerate China for so long....but Singapore, Hong Kong or Bangkok..I would have no problems migrating and living them upon retirement...all are absolutely perfect.

I like HK meself you'd need a good few bob to settle there though and the heat, density, pollution are still big problems. Bangkok definitely naa, Singapore definitely naa for different reasons. Plenty of places in Britain that are far better IMO. There are places in China itself that are nice to live, but its just the fact that it is one generally rotten fucked up place. There are benefits for me staying here, but they just don’t balance especially with a kid. The stories I could tell. Took me kid the ozzie the other day. Saw a women outside handcuffed to a wheelchair - she was ranting about Falon Gong, probably in the nuthouse now, being politically reeducated. However me kid did get some shite medicine though that doesn’t work, and it only took 3 hours of queuing with mobs banging on the door to get in first. If China was a person I’d give them a good slapping. They moan about everyone else, justify everything they do and admit to nothing.

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« Reply #111 on: September 13, 2010, 12:39:39 am »
I'm thinking of opening a British Chippy in Guangzhou.

In the right place in Guangzhou that would go down a bomb. Many have had this idea, you'd need someone Chinese and conected locally to go in with you though.

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« Reply #112 on: September 13, 2010, 02:57:14 am »
I have heard it said by Japanese businessmen who by and large much prefer doing business in China that India retained only the bad aspects of the British empire and they would have the legal legacy at top of that list.

Corruption, beaucracy and a system that doesn't work for investors and foreign companies makes it difficult to operate in India. And the traffic jams and poor infrastructure is just a major turn off for most companies looking to open office and to tap the talent there. Most just head to Singapore, Hong Kong (quality of life, stability and excellent infrastructure and ease to get PR), and/or mainland China.

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« Reply #113 on: September 13, 2010, 02:59:42 am »
I like HK meself you'd need a good few bob to settle there though and the heat, density, pollution are still big problems. Bangkok definitely naa, Singapore definitely naa for different reasons. Plenty of places in Britain that are far better IMO. There are places in China itself that are nice to live, but its just the fact that it is one generally rotten fucked up place. There are benefits for me staying here, but they just don’t balance especially with a kid. The stories I could tell. Took me kid the ozzie the other day. Saw a women outside handcuffed to a wheelchair - she was ranting about Falon Gong, probably in the nuthouse now, being politically reeducated. However me kid did get some shite medicine though that doesn’t work, and it only took 3 hours of queuing with mobs banging on the door to get in first. If China was a person I’d give them a good slapping. They moan about everyone else, justify everything they do and admit to nothing.


I am seriously considering singapore; I love the transportation system, the excellent lifestyle, low crime rate and cleanliness of the city state. It's just so much more relaxing than many places we have been considering...but it is an expensive city to live in though.

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« Reply #114 on: September 13, 2010, 03:05:40 am »
Spent 3 weeks in India travelling around with the family after an anti-terrorism conference...what I saw is pale in comparison to what I just saw in India not two weeks ago; also spent 3 weeks travelling around from east to west China. And there was a BIG BIG difference in infrastructure, wealth of the government, etc etc...

India may have a sound education system...but everything else is just year's behind China in just about every aspect not related to the military.



I don't remember which Economist said this and I'm paraphrasing what he said here, In China a leader of the communist party raises a finger and a road is built.  In India, the people build the road and tell the Government about it.  Develpoment in India is not because of the Government, it occurs despite the government ! 
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« Reply #115 on: September 13, 2010, 03:06:52 am »
I don't remember which Economist said this and I'm paraphrasing what he said here, In China a leader of the communist party raises a finger and a road is built.  In India, the people build the road and tell the Government about it.  Develpoment in India is not because of the Government, it occurs despite the government ! 

That seems about right. :)
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« Reply #116 on: September 13, 2010, 09:37:40 am »

I am seriously considering singapore; I love the transportation system, the excellent lifestyle, low crime rate and cleanliness of the city state. It's just so much more relaxing than many places we have been considering...but it is an expensive city to live in though.



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« Reply #117 on: September 13, 2010, 10:10:25 am »
Saving up for bonny Scotland meself. Went to Uni up their and loved it, some cracking places and close enough to get into big cities if you want one.

The last thing we need are cold winters and a nanny called Wallace to keep us warm. :)

We are going for sunshine....:) 24/7...bar the odd storm here and there.
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« Reply #118 on: September 13, 2010, 10:13:10 am »
The last thing we need are cold winters and a nanny called Wallace to keep us warm. :)

We are going for sunshine....:) 24/7...bar the odd storm here and there.

The heat will do your head in after a while, you can't beat 4 seasons.

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« Reply #119 on: September 13, 2010, 10:15:56 am »
I heard their urg ing foreigners to take up permanent residence aswell which means changing you nationality, though I think Brits can have duel citizen ship. Not sure how true it is. Singapore I mean, not the Jocks.