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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #960 on: August 13, 2011, 06:00:41 pm »
Four new signings, not five, no?

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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #961 on: August 13, 2011, 06:01:07 pm »
Some of the football we played was brilliant today. Second half included, although not quite often enough.

Looking for early balls out wide. Brilliant passing through the middle. All against a sunderland team that don't look like world beaters but look decent. They worked hard against us and played some decent football themselves in both halves.

In the second half, we worked hard ourselves. We lost our rythm after half time but the movement was still there and players were still trying things. Most of them things didn't come off later on in the game, still though I felt we could grab another before the end.

That first half performance from a bunch of players who supposedly haven't gelled yet? I cant wait until October or November when we start seeing for real how they can play when they've gelled. I think it was the excellent first half that made the second half look more disappointing.

To be honest, I didn't know what to expect with the amount of new players in the side and what I seen was pretty good. Downing didn't stop running, Adam just seems to have a brilliant touch and if left open for just a moment, looks like he can be very dangerous.

Caroll, especially in the first half, showed we finally got a striker who won't be bullied by defenders, only by the referee.

I don't mind long balls with purpose and today it seemed to me that most of them had ideas behind them. Looking for runners or an opportunity. It was not hoofball (Like I seen someone mention in my scan of the thread. Well it wasn't hoofbll unless under pressure. WHen the hoofballs did come, most of the people around me were shouting to clear it too, can't blame players for that.)

All in all, from my point of view, I think we look awesome. Looked like we will be a good team playing exciting fooball. Exciting footbal, well that is defo worth forking out for the tickets. Made for good watching today too.  Reading some of the posts here it seems like were copying tactics from the 89 wimbledon team.

FIrst game out the way now, and can't wait to face arsenal. Bring it on.

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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #962 on: August 13, 2011, 06:01:22 pm »
How come Aquilani wasn't in the squad today?

Solving the drought in East Africa with his fancy flicks.

:)

Good call. For delfated re: Fucking mental, though.
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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #963 on: August 13, 2011, 06:02:10 pm »
Watching us launch missiles from our own base = complete and utter shit. Easy way out that's all it is should of been stamped out last season never mind going into this season.
Fitness along with the missiles my only problems with today's performance. The first half performance just makes the second half ten times worse to take.


See for me the 1st half performance was really fucking encouraging and the focus needs to remain on that.
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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #964 on: August 13, 2011, 06:02:26 pm »
Then why did we put in 5 new player in the starting eleven? This is the reason to stick with the majority of a proven team, especially when it did so well in the second half of last season? Maxi, Kuyt, Meireles?

Nothing to do with picking new players. They played well together in the first half, as did established players.  Collectively they ran out of energy early in the 2nd half and started to make mistakes. New players and established players.

If people are going to criticise at least try and look at the actual reasons for not winning

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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #965 on: August 13, 2011, 06:02:44 pm »
Always going to be difficult I guess to blood in a number of new players. Fitness seemed to be an issue and when we don't have both Suarez and Gerrard, a peice of magic is always missing.

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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #966 on: August 13, 2011, 06:03:01 pm »
How come Aquilani wasn't in the squad today?

only God knows.


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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #967 on: August 13, 2011, 06:03:01 pm »
Good call. For delfated re: Fucking mental, though.
Yeah, know what you mean. Don't know why I had a feeling we'd draw, I didn't feel as confident as everyone else. Fucking depressing that second half, god knows how Richardson wasn't sent off though.
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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #968 on: August 13, 2011, 06:03:20 pm »
I would yes, i've always had reservations about him. Today he actually wasn't too bad. But he doesn't fit the way Kenny seems to want to play.

He is an outlet for an outball. He has not got quick enough feet to be a top player on the ground.

Hey im not going overboard, saying the season is over don't be ridiculous. We have alot to be positive about. Henderson will be a great player for us. Enrique is a superb signing. Suarez would walk into any team in world football. Downing will have his good days and bad days, such is the nature of being a winger, but i'm delighted we have signed him.

The season looks bright.

This is just a specific observation about our £35million centre forward. I hope i'm wrong and he bangs in 30 goals.

But frankly, anyone who isn't a little worried about his effectiveness in a fluid, attacking side who intend to play football on the deck to unlock teams, is a liar.

Because 35million is alot to spend on someone we just intend to lump it forward to.

Also noticeable how Flanagan resorted to long balls when he was lacking in confidence in the second half. He was obviously following his skippers lead.
Flanno is well capable far better distribution than his skipper and i'd be worried about that "calming" influence. The temptation to lump it to Carroll needs to be stamped out. Sad thing is I don't think Carroll is effective in any other kind of system.
First point, which people can't seem to get through their head:  We didn't pay 35 million for Carroll.  Chelsea did.  Torres' price was always whatever Newcastle wanted for Carroll + 15 million. 

Second point:  you're certainly going overboard.  You referred to Carroll as a marginally more effective Kevin Davies.  In Kevin Davies' best season, he scored 12 league goals in 38 games, at age 31. Carroll has already passed that, at age 22, scoring 13 league goals in 24 games.

Either you're delusional, too upset about the match to think clearly, or winding us all up.

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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #969 on: August 13, 2011, 06:03:22 pm »
*reads thread, see's Kenny being questioned and compared to Rafa, officially gives up on RAWK*  :wave

Got nothing to say after reading this thread. Or can't be arsed anymore trying to articulate it to knee-jerk whoppers that infest our support anymore.
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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #970 on: August 13, 2011, 06:03:58 pm »

What good does it do anyone to focus on the negatives ?
Nothing.

I'll remember that one.
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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #972 on: August 13, 2011, 06:04:31 pm »
Caroll, especially in the first half, showed we finally got a striker who won't be bullied by defenders, only by the referee.

That's a great way to put it.

Watching Arsenal now I'll think we'll neutralize them fairly well. Loads of flash, lack of muscle.

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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #973 on: August 13, 2011, 06:04:33 pm »
Good to see we've notched up the first game in the 38 game unbeaten streak we are gonna go on this season :)

Lotsa positives and we'll only get better.

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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #974 on: August 13, 2011, 06:05:17 pm »
only God knows.


don't think Fowler is in the loop either.
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« Reply #975 on: August 13, 2011, 06:05:37 pm »
Nothing to do with picking new players. They played well together in the first half, as did established players.  Collectively they ran out of energy early in the 2nd half and started to make mistakes. New players and established players.

You are right that they ran out of energy. But if it needs that much energy to dominate an opponent than there´s something wrong with the way we played in general with was very different to the second half of last season, no? There purpose of possession type of football is exactly to NOT run out of energy due to not having to press all the time. We did that already last year, why not in the first game of a new sesaon when the majority of the players having played that way are still around?

No matter from which angle you wanna look at it, there are just too many questions arising from today´s performance and line up. IMO. ;)
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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #976 on: August 13, 2011, 06:05:39 pm »
I'll remember that one.

Not sure how to take that.
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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #977 on: August 13, 2011, 06:06:07 pm »
A smiley? Really?  ???
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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #978 on: August 13, 2011, 06:06:14 pm »
Yeah, know what you mean. Don't know why I had a feeling we'd draw, I didn't feel as confident as everyone else. Fucking depressing that second half, god knows how Richardson wasn't sent off though.

Thought we'd win quite comfortably and play really well, and for 45 minutes we did. Which begs the question for me - did we suddenly fall apart, or are we still not sharp? I think it's the later, and I think Lucas (OMG) and Suarez both dropped off as bad as anyone in the 2nd half, and quelle surprise, they were the two Copa America lads.

So sod it, I'm positive. Come 3 or 4 games I think we'll look a real force, as we did first half. I mean real force.
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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #979 on: August 13, 2011, 06:06:18 pm »
To all those who are shouting doom and gloom:

NO TEAM IN THE FUCKING WORLD WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT 5 NEW SIGNINGS INTO A SIDE AND MANAGE TO BEAT EVERY TEAM IN SIGHT!!

Make no mistake, this is going to take some time. Its a long process to get everyone settled and playing together. I thought we did extremely well when you consider the fact that we started FOUR new players. One of which has hardly been able to train with the team. Henderson-Adam-Downing have had 2-3 preseason games plus this game to play together. No way they'll be the finished product yet.

And remember, Meireles is coming back from an injury, Gerrard is coming back from an injury soon, and the mystery of Aquilani. There is a LONG WAY TO GO.

So stop panicking!

If you want instant success, go be a City fan.

Sensible post BUT Kenny got it wrong on the right side Im afraid to say and sentimentality allowed Henderson to play especially in a position I don't consider his strongest!

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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #980 on: August 13, 2011, 06:06:20 pm »
First point, which people can't seem to get through their head:  We didn't pay 35 million for Carroll.  Chelsea did.  Torres' price was always whatever Newcastle wanted for Carroll + 15 million. 

Second point:  you're certainly going overboard.  You referred to Carroll as a marginally more effective Kevin Davies.  In Kevin Davies' best season, he scored 12 league goals in 38 games, at age 31. Carroll has already passed that, at age 22, scoring 13 league goals in 24 games.

Either you're delusional, too upset about the match to think clearly, or winding us all up.

I think you are trying to console yourself with the above reasoning in fairness.

Torres cost 50 million. We have 15 million left over after signing Andy Carroll.

Dress it up whatever way you want.

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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #981 on: August 13, 2011, 06:06:27 pm »
[rant] What a load of shite... dominated first half, Carroll goal disallowed for merely touching the defender... you fucking dick Dowd.. peno surprisingly missed by Suarez (could've easily been red too), oh & what would've been already contender for goal of seaon by Downing but hit the bar.. fucking pissed[/rant]

Great first half, new look squad is very promising, can't believe Carroll is being hated on after a game where he technically scored, Aquilani would be great for us & I don't care what anyone says, if you don't think he'll add something to our squad.. then you're deluded.

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« Reply #982 on: August 13, 2011, 06:06:53 pm »
Is this picture from today?



Is he really still on crutches?


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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #983 on: August 13, 2011, 06:07:46 pm »
Depressing picture that.

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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #984 on: August 13, 2011, 06:08:17 pm »
Depressing picture that.

Now watch us selling Aquilani and maybe Meireles.  :)

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« Reply #985 on: August 13, 2011, 06:08:18 pm »
Thought we'd win quite comfortably and play really well, and for 45 minutes we did. Which begs the question for me - did we suddenly fall apart, or are we still not sharp? I think it's the later, and I think Lucas (OMG) and Suarez both dropped off as bad as anyone in the 2nd half, and quelle surprise, they were the two Copa America lads.

So sod it, I'm positive. Come 3 or 4 games I think we'll look a real force, as we did first half. I mean real force.
Yeah think we did, few individual mistakes in there and we just couldn't get hold of the game or create anything. Tis only the first game though and we'll get better, starting next week against Arsenal.
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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #986 on: August 13, 2011, 06:08:21 pm »

Watching Arsenal now I'll think we'll neutralize them fairly well. Loads of flash, lack of muscle.

Got to agree with you there. And it looks like we will be ready to fight aswell. Got some players in there who look like they want to collect a few cards this year or will be disappointed with themselves. Playing football like in the first half today and with the bite some of the players look like they have, I reckon we'll bully ourselves a win at arsenal.

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« Reply #987 on: August 13, 2011, 06:08:32 pm »

Is he really still on crutches?


Not from today afaik

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« Reply #988 on: August 13, 2011, 06:08:36 pm »


Is he really still on crutches?



No, he's just putting Aurelios to one side. He always takes a spare pair when he goes out.
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« Reply #989 on: August 13, 2011, 06:08:37 pm »
Is this picture from today?



Is he really still on crutches?



Nope. He was walking normally before the game, signing autographs and shaking hands.

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« Reply #990 on: August 13, 2011, 06:08:40 pm »
If Kenny really wants to convert Kelly into CB, it's time to bring out Degen to backup Johnson.

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« Reply #991 on: August 13, 2011, 06:09:35 pm »
Is this picture from today?



Is he really still on crutches?


thats not from today.

i thought he had a grey suit on,im sure i saw Skrtel,poulson,shelvey and stevie in grey suits


looking at that pic looks like the hillsborough memorial service

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« Reply #992 on: August 13, 2011, 06:09:42 pm »
Oh, so I was tricked by a bluenose.

I feel embarrassed. Bitter fuck.

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« Reply #993 on: August 13, 2011, 06:09:44 pm »
Is this picture from today?



Is he really still on crutches?


Its from carrying the rest of the team for so long
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« Reply #994 on: August 13, 2011, 06:10:12 pm »
If Kenny really wants to convert Kelly into CB, it's time to bring out Degen to backup Johnson.

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« Reply #995 on: August 13, 2011, 06:10:27 pm »
Gerrard wore a grey suit today.
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Re: Liverpool 1 - 1 Sunderland, (Suarez, Larsson) - Post Match
« Reply #996 on: August 13, 2011, 06:10:32 pm »
I think its kind of sad most of the fans here would not like to acknowledge for a simple fact that its the midfield that has the least quality. our defence and attack have quality and may need time to gell.

For me the midfield duo of lucas and adam is the real problem. they were slower, had little creativity to pass to the strikers with quality and penetration. they hardly strike on target and most improtantly didnt impose their strength or speed against opponents.

Lets be honest Lucas is a £6m player and adam £9m? Yes, once in a while we may get lucky and unearth the next alonso, etc. but the truth is if you keep buying cheap players, dont expect them to perform like sneider, pastore or aquilani. the later group market value speaks for themselves.

Once the second half went downhill, I immiately zone in on adam and he didnt deliver what he was touted for. crosses were average, long balls were non-existent. To conpound the matter, he doesnt have pace and positionally ill discipline. He had very little to offer.

Lucas is lucas. theres really nothing to say at this stage. we know his abilities and what he offers. He is a good squad player. nothing more.

I reallly hope aquilani stays and this will  be a test to the owners to either convince him to stay with us or find a equal quality market value player. either way, they are responsible to keep our most valuable players and purchase more quality players. They have been great at signing the cheques for downing and henderson. but the puzzle is not complete.

I just hope when gerrard is fit, he plays in the middle. And end the aquilani saga pls!!! these two should be our first choice midfield pairing.

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« Reply #997 on: August 13, 2011, 06:10:39 pm »
Is this picture from today?



Is he really still on crutches?
Think that's from the Hillsborough service isn't it?
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« Reply #998 on: August 13, 2011, 06:11:30 pm »
Watched the game today...First half we were awesome second half not so...But lets take the positves out of it.
We showed in the first half that we can play beautiful football quick pass and move just what we want to see, yes we can pick holes in certain players performance in the second half but I would sooner take the positives from the first half where we showed how we can play. It is only game 1 of 38 and for 45 mins we played like a team that will push for the top and with every game we will get better of that I am certain as players get fitter and learn how to play with the new boys because lets not forget 7of those players have never played in the same team (ok Carrol & enrique have) the first half performance will soon carry over to the second half and then its game on.
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« Reply #999 on: August 13, 2011, 06:12:08 pm »
I think its kind of sad most of the fans here would not like to acknowledge for a simple fact that its the midfield that has the least quality. our defence and attack have quality and may need time to gell.

For me the midfield duo of lucas and adam is the real problem. they were slower, had little creativity to pass to the strikers with quality and penetration. they hardly strike on target and most improtantly didnt impose their strength or speed against opponents.

Lets be honest Lucas is a £6m player and adam £9m? Yes, once in a while we may get lucky and unearth the next alonso, etc. but the truth is if you keep buying cheap players, dont expect them to perform like sneider, pastore or aquilani. the later group market value speaks for themselves.

Once the second half went downhill, I immiately zone in on adam and he didnt deliver what he was touted for. crosses were average, long balls were non-existent. To conpound the matter, he doesnt have pace and positionally ill discipline. He had very little to offer.

Lucas is lucas. theres really nothing to say at this stage. we know his abilities and what he offers. He is a good squad player. nothing more.


I reallly hope aquilani stays and this will  be a test to the owners to either convince him to stay with us or find a equal quality market value player. either way, they are responsible to keep our most valuable players and purchase more quality players. They have been great at signing the cheques for downing and henderson. but the puzzle is not complete.

I just hope when gerrard is fit, he plays in the middle. And end the aquilani saga pls!!! these two should be our first choice midfield pairing.




LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


Who was last seasons best player for us??