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Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« on: October 8, 2008, 09:12:28 am »
Manchester City 1 Liverpool 0

The Reds reserves slumped to a second consecutive defeat away to Manchester City and put in another poor overall display.

City got the game underway at the City of Manchester stadium which was a late change of venue. The Reds gave a trial to young Abalimba from Southend.

As early as the first minute the Reds had a half chance when Abalimba was found in the box but he was bocked out trying to get the ball out from between his feet.

City were much the better side early on and after six minutes Kelly was forced to block a free header two yards out. On eleven minutes Gulacsi was forced in to what proved to be an easy save when Mee was given all kinds of space in the box.

Just two minutes later and the Reds were behind and it was all too sloppy in the box as well. A free kick was awarded on the City right and a small wall height wise was setup. These were easily lobbed, as was the first defender and when no one picked up the loose header on the box an overhead kick on goal was going in where Sturridge poked home from a yard out. The goal was nothing short of what City deserved in truth with the Reds just looking poor.

City had a great chance on seventeen minutes when the centre back found himself unmarked in the area from an uncleared corner kick.

Midway through the half San Jose picked up a booking when he went through the back of Sturridge. It was perhaps a little harsh to see yellow given that he did win the ball. Sturridge took the free kick from some thirty yards and beat the wall only to see his shot clip the top of the bar and go over.

The Reds were looking really poor on the night and a few times you looked around to see players with drooped shoulders. The passing game just wasn't crisp at all and the players didn't look as if they knew one another.

Just after the half hour mark Weijl got past Logan and he put in a decent cross from the left but it was cleared before it reached Ngog. A minute later and Ngog was put through the inside right channel by Spearing and he hit a great shot just wide of the target.

Pacheco sent a free kick well over the bar a couple of minutes later after he won the set play twenty five yards out.

The Reds managed to hold on until half time though and went in at half time just the one down. At least there was less for the reserves to get than the first team had given themselves at the weekend on the same ground. The side had to take a leaf out of the first team if they were to get back in to this as frankly they were poor.

The Reds threw on Gerardo Bruna at the start of the second half in place of David Ngog and he played just behind Pacheco.

City should have made it two just a few minutes in to the second half when Darby somehow managed to block a shot on the line and it fell kindly to Gulacsi after the Reds defence had been carved open again.

On fifty eight minutes the Reds did craft a good chance which Pacheco missed although the offside flag was also shown so the miss didn't count. The Reds were slowly trying to get back in to the game though as there passing game started to get going. We looked really lightweight through the midfield at times so passing had to be the way forward.

Abalimba nearly got in behind the back line on the hour mark when he linked with Pacheco but he just couldn't quite get to the ball before the keeper smothered it.

On sixty two minutes the Reds made a switch when Franciso Duran replaced the trialist Abalimba. It's been an absolute age since Duran has featured for the Reds so if nothing else just seeing him on the pitch was great news for the Reds.

He had a good volley wide of the target just four minutes after coming on when a corner conceded by City blocking a Pacheco shot wasn't well cleared.

Plessis had a shot on seventy minutes but it was all too easy for the keeper after a good passing move for the Reds which should have continued really with others in better positions.

On seventy two minutes City really should have scored again when Weiss, who I remember a couple of years ago at the academy and he was good then. Anyway Weiss went on a good dribble before feeding Logan who was charging past everyone to get in to the area but his ball across the area went beyond the far post and out for a goal kick.

The Reds somehow got away with a woeful back header off San Jose on seventy six minutes. He headed back where Sturridge was but Gulacsi did superbly well by standing up and deflecting the ball away for a corner. That corner gave City another chance but again Gulacsi was on form when he saved at point blank range.

On eighty minutes Weiss was booked when there was no advantage to the Reds after Weiss hauled Weijl back.

The Reds did try to get back in to the game but they just couldn't create that perfect opening and after a couple of added minutes the final whistle blew.

Overall the match was really disappointing from a Reds point of view as they just didn't look at all like a team and frankly on this form you have to worry about the season ahead.

MotM : Martin Kelly - stuck to his task well on the night and looked far more at home at centre back than his often used full back position. Peter Gulacsi also did well when called upon and kept the Reds in with a shout ultimately even though the goal never came.

Liverpool    Gulacsi, Darby (c), Insua, San Jose, Kelly, Plessis, Abalimba (tr) (Duran 62), Spearing, Ngog (Bruna 45), Pacheco, Weijl

Unused Subs    Bouzanis, Irwin, Ayala

Manchester City    Johansson, Logan, Mee, Berti, Williamson, Tsiatlis, Weiss, Marshall, Ball, Sturridge, Morris

Unused Subs    McDonald, Hartley, Poole, Obeng, Tutte

Goal    Sturridge (13)

Referee    D Handley

Att    234

Venue    City Of Manchester Stadium

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Re: Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« Reply #1 on: October 8, 2008, 03:35:54 pm »
Really valued these posts last season, thanks

What in your view has changed - we were world beaters more recently  ???


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Re: Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« Reply #2 on: October 8, 2008, 03:53:40 pm »
Great to read the review and thanks for posting.
How did the trialist abalimba get on ??
He is linked with man u and chelsea did he do enough on the night for us to keep up an interest.

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Re: Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« Reply #3 on: October 8, 2008, 05:03:29 pm »
The players for some reason don't look fit but that's perhaps just a match fitness thing.  If you think back to last season and the great run we had the games were all wrapped up close to one another. 

A friendly match is at the end of the day a friendly and doesnt get genuine match fitness and watching a few players through the game they looked physically knackered.  Weijl for example was one who looked half hearted at ties chasing balls.

One player we have missed is Nemeth up front who has genuine pace and is a genuine out and out striker.  As good as Pacheco and Bruna may be it just never worked.  Ngog is also still one i'm reserving judgement on cos I'm not yet convinced on him.

As for Abalimba - he started really slowly and looked like a player who had only just arrived which he had of course,  In the second half he stayed a bit wider and he was just starting to look at getting in to the game a bit when he was subbed.  The difficulty to judge him from this is that the team as a whole played poorly so being a wide man its difficult to get involved.  In a sense I wasn't overly impressed with him but there may well be something there and you have to remember his age.  Once he got in to the game that's when you could see why we trialled him.

To me though - were does he play if we signed him?  What about earlier players coming through the academy like Amoo - how will he get a chance to build up.  Has he simply not improved as we thought he might or is the training at the academy no good?  Nathan Eccleston for example is a genuine striker who could have bolstered that squad last night.  Perhaps we need to do a Man City and enter two reserve teams to competitions next season to utilise a full reserve squad that now looks bigger than the first team.  This might give them all far more games to play and keep sharpness right up so you can genuinely judge a player and his readiness for the first team.

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Re: Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« Reply #4 on: October 8, 2008, 08:51:45 pm »
Thanks Andy and please keep up the reserve watch

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Re: Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« Reply #5 on: October 9, 2008, 01:42:10 pm »
Liverpool    Gulacsi, Darby (c), Insua, San Jose, Kelly, Plessis, Abalimba (tr) (Duran 62), Spearing, Ngog (Bruna 45), Pacheco, Weijl

Unused Subs    Bouzanis, Irwin, Ayala

Manchester City    Johansson, Logan, Mee, Berti, Williamson, Tsiatlis, Weiss, Marshall, Ball, Sturridge, Morris

Unused Subs    McDonald, Hartley, Poole, Obeng, Tutte


We shouldn't be losing to a City team like this, the players highlighted in bold are those of any real note in terms of breaking through.  City have one such player and we have four. 

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Re: Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« Reply #6 on: October 9, 2008, 01:46:26 pm »
Liverpool    Gulacsi, Darby (c), Insua, San Jose, Kelly, Plessis, Abalimba (tr) (Duran 62), Spearing, Ngog (Bruna 45), Pacheco, Weijl

Unused Subs    Bouzanis, Irwin, Ayala

Manchester City    Johansson, Logan, Mee, Berti, Williamson, Tsiatlis, Weiss, Marshall, Ball, Sturridge, Morris

Unused Subs    McDonald, Hartley, Poole, Obeng, Tutte


We shouldn't be losing to a City team like this, the players highlighted in bold are those of any real note in terms of breaking through.  City have one such player and we have four. 

I know, we'll never win anything with Plessis in central midfield, far too defensive.  Sack Ablett!

Well I suppose it had to spread into here eventually :(

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Re: Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« Reply #7 on: October 9, 2008, 02:25:47 pm »
Liverpool    Gulacsi, Darby (c), Insua, San Jose, Kelly, Plessis, Abalimba (tr) (Duran 62), Spearing, Ngog (Bruna 45), Pacheco, Weijl

Unused Subs    Bouzanis, Irwin, Ayala

Manchester City    Johansson, Logan, Mee, Berti, Williamson, Tsiatlis, Weiss, Marshall, Ball, Sturridge, Morris

Unused Subs    McDonald, Hartley, Poole, Obeng, Tutte


We shouldn't be losing to a City team like this, the players highlighted in bold are those of any real note in terms of breaking through.  City have one such player and we have four. 
Just because that City team only had one player who has broken through, it doesnt mean that their wasnt any good.
City have always had good youth and reserve teams...It is no surprise that we would lose to them and be completely outplayed by them in the 1st half.

2nd half was a different story though. As has been said, we didnt quite create great chances but the interplay and movement from our forward thinking players was much better.

Our guys look like they are resting on what they did last season and think that this season should be just as easy. When in reality, teams are now chasing us because of the fact that we won the National Title and because for other teams, it is a chance to play their best on National TV.
These teams we play know that the game is live on LFCTV and it is their stage to impress. Our guys just have to recapture the team ethic that propelled them to great heights last season because if they dont. Rafa will bring in new youngsters to replace them.

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Re: Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« Reply #8 on: October 9, 2008, 02:33:54 pm »
Liverpool    Gulacsi, Darby (c), Insua, San Jose, Kelly, Plessis, Abalimba (tr) (Duran 62), Spearing, Ngog (Bruna 45), Pacheco, Weijl

Unused Subs    Bouzanis, Irwin, Ayala

Manchester City    Johansson, Logan, Mee, Berti, Williamson, Tsiatlis, Weiss, Marshall, Ball, Sturridge, Morris

Unused Subs    McDonald, Hartley, Poole, Obeng, Tutte


We shouldn't be losing to a City team like this, the players highlighted in bold are those of any real note in terms of breaking through.  City have one such player and we have four. 
That Weiss was tasty though.

One thing that worries me about Plessis is he is so one dimensional. First time I saw him his passing was one touch and his movement was superb to create space for himself. It has become two touch now and he doesn't seem to create the space for himself.

Insua for me has gone backward. His surging runs were for me the best part of his game, but now if he attempts to go forward it is to no effect. Maybe the players up front never gave him outlets in their movement. But having watched all the live games last season, and his appearances pre season I've been less and less impressed.
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Re: Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« Reply #9 on: October 9, 2008, 02:47:35 pm »


Insua for me has gone backward. His surging runs were for me the best part of his game, but now if he attempts to go forward it is to no effect. Maybe the players up front never gave him outlets in their movement. But having watched all the live games last season, and his appearances pre season I've been less and less impressed.
Wouldnt surprise me if he is pissed off with the lack of chances at 1st team level. I've seen it happen in other sports where a talent has stalled because he has stayed at the same level for longer than he should have.

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Re: Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« Reply #10 on: October 9, 2008, 06:29:49 pm »
was such a poor goal to concede as well. Managed to catch it on .tv last night.

The bit i saw (was only prob 20 mins) we struggled to string passes together

was a little disappointed with the performance i have to say

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Re: Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2008, 01:10:16 pm »
wheres the trialist abalimba from does anyone no?

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Re: Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2008, 11:06:10 am »
wheres the trialist abalimba from does anyone no?

16 year old on trial from Southend, mate

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Re: Liverpool reserves slump to second league defeat in a row
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2008, 07:34:10 pm »
The guy earlier who had a go at Man city clearly didnt watch the match, weiss looked outstanding in parts, and would walk into the lfc reserves at the moment.

we did look jaded and some players looked slow out their but i think/hope that was down to match sharpness more than anything to do with fitness.  we need a good run of games where we have the same personnel involved, some of the comments earlier are right, we seem to have too many players and a 2nd team would be ideal. 

Tonight the players looked like strangers and their was no one to hold the ball up, but Abalimba, Duran, Ngog, Bruna, Weijl and even pacheco were either not at the club or not regulars in the reserve winning team of last year. 

But the biggest difference was no brouwer and nemeth, brouwer looks absoulte shite but he holds up the ball so well and brings our best players into the game in the final 3rd where they are most dangerous. this allows the likes of pacheco, bruna, nemeth etc to do the business and is a big reason why we bossed everyone last year. 

i think after christmas when players gel and injuries have sorted themselves out we'll be back to winning ways and hopefully put a similar run together like last year.