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Flying With Kuyt
« on: August 17, 2006, 12:22:22 pm »
Dirk Kuyt, the man of many goals and even more name spellings, has proved ruthless in front of goal in the Dutch league. Should he agree personal terms in the next 24 hours, Liverpool will finally have their fourth 'main' striker, and this one is an out-and-out goal-getter.

He completes the balance of the attacking options. By now we should all know what Crouch offers, while Bellamy is the quick striker who'll also drift wide. These days Fowler is arguably even more effective as a creator – his vision and passing are superb when he drops deep. Kuyt is someone who can run for 90 minutes and plunder goals.

If Jan Kromkamp remains at Liverpool, as an alternative to Steve Finnan, then it will be virtually impossible to find a gap in this current squad, where every position is (at least) double-banked with talent.

Kuyt's arrival, once the 't's are crossed, the 'i's dotted and the 'p' analysed in the lab, can only be seen as great news. I honestly felt the Reds were ready to challenge for the title with the squad as it stood, with more options for creating and scoring goals; but another striker can only increase the chances. If he proves a flop, taking the worst-case scenario, there are other players capable of scoring goals; if he does well, everyone is laughing.

But is Kuyt the new Ruud van Nistelrooy or the next Mateja Kezman?

Of course, he is neither. He is a separate individual, with no connections to the other two beyond scoring lots of goals in the Eredivisie. He is joining Liverpool in 2006, not Manchester United in 2001 or Chelsea in 2004. Comparisons will always be made, but for every player in the world you can find an example of someone similar failing and someone similar succeeding.

Bad strikers do not have 30-goal-seasons in any country, but the question is whether or not such prolific scoring can be translated to another league, where goals are usually harder to come by. Ruud van Nistelrooy proved capable of doing so; Mateja Kezman did not, although he was not given many starts in the blue of Chelsea; Mourinho wanted a target-man in his first XI, not a prolific scorer.

Kuyt’s record suggests he is a hugely reliable finisher. In the last two seasons he has has notched up a total of 57 goals, at a rate of 0.74-per-90 minutes; albeit in a league which doesn’t rank amongst the very best in Europe. That said, Dutch football is not a weak league like Scotland, the one I've seen it compared to.

Van Nistelrooy leads to an interesting comparison. In his two full seasons at PSV van Nistelrooy racked up an average of 30 goals-a-season; in his four injury-free seasons with Manchester United in the Premiership (thus excluding 2004/05) he averaged 22 goals per year –– a 25% reduction in goals coming from the [iEredivisie to the Premiership. 

Kuyt has scored an average of 24 goals-per-season in his three years with Feyenoord; if he saw a similar reduction to van Nistelrooy in his league statistics when heading from the top flight in Holland to the top flight in England he could still find himself close to 20 league goals-a-season. But as has been shown to be the case, it just needs reliable strikers to win the league, not necessarily the most prolific.

Kuyt's also a player who has improved in recent seasons, after a fairly slow start to his career, which suggests he might not have reached his full potential.

His performances in the World Cup, for a Holland team lacking confidence and direction, should not be taken too seriously, especially as he tended to be stuck on the wing; only one appearance was as a starter, and he certainly looked no worse than Ruud van Nistelrooy. Kuyt was under tremendous pressure – his first start in the World Cup, and he had to score to help the team through.

His movement and work-rate were first-class; his finishing was lax on a couple of occasions but he was in the right areas. Having been a striker as a semi-pro I know what it's like to struggle in front of goal when you first move up to a higher level; but once you get over that mental hurdle and prove to yourself you're good enough you can relax and play your natural game. We've seen it with Crouch in the last nine months, where he's scored 22 goals for club and country.

I was actually quite impressed with Kuyt over the summer, without ever thinking he was a must-have player on that evidence alone. But give me an up-and-coming willing striker who is capable of scoring goals and who works for the team over an overweight and under-motivated Ronaldo any day, based on this World Cup. Kuyt isn't yet a superstar; but he can be. Being at Liverpool will help.

Also, plenty of top-class goalscorers have failed to make much of a dent on international football. Robbie Fowler and Ian Wright have just been overtaken by the largely-derided Peter Crouch in terms of international goals, with Crouch also scoring at a rate better than Alan Shearer (and without 25% of his goals being penalties). Meanwhile, Jermaine Defoe, who has an excellent goals-per-game record in English football, has just one goal in 17 England appearances. Go figure.

So the striking roster is about to be completed. With Bellamy, Crouch, Fowler and Kuyt there won't be too many training sessions missed due to modelling assignments. When Rafa said he wanted strikers who can frighten the opposition he clearly wasn't joking.

You can't beat an ugly centre-forward, whose bag-of-spanners face shows he's not afraid to put his head in where it hurts –– although Ian Dowie is living proof that simply being ugly does not suffice on its own.

It can go two ways for a striker like Kuyt arriving in England. Either he'll struggle to find his best at a big club in a tougher league, and find no rhythm as part the rotation system – in the way Djibril Cissé seemed to suffer; or he'll score even more goals by being in a better team, especially now creativity and pace has been added to wide areas.

Also, Kuyt is being hand-picked by Rafa. That will help him, as much as it hindered the previous striker to arrive at Liverpool for £10m+.

I still believe that in a very counter-attacking team, as the Reds were under Houllier, and with the total admiration and support of his manager, Djibril Cissé would have flourished, at least in terms of his individual goals tally, even if the team might have been limited as a result; managers have their own 'types' of player, who suit their system, and it can undermine the confidence of any player when a new man takes charge and has his own way of working. Unlike Cissé, Kuyt fits Rafa's profile.

With the Dutchman about sign, it can be said – and I give advanced warning of a bad pun – that the sky's the limit for Kuyt.

© Paul Tomkins & Oliver Anderson 2006

This article contains statistics and adapted passages from ‘The Red Review – A Liverpool FC Almanac’, with limited special edition copies with an exclusive extra chapter available to pre-order at www.paultomkins.com ahead of an early-to-mid-September release. The book will not be available in retail outlets until November 1st
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2006, 12:25:50 pm »
with this being such a surprise signing today Paul, you've written that piece very quickly. ;)
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2006, 12:27:20 pm »
Nice one paul, i think he will do well like the rest of rafas 'big' money signings

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2006, 12:37:41 pm »
Here's hoping he can turn his dutch league form into the PL as well as horseface did.

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2006, 12:38:14 pm »
with this being such a surprise signing today Paul, you've written that piece very quickly. ;)
I am sure there is an alves draft on his harddrive somewhere too.

I guess its what professionals do, bbc etc have obituaries written for lots of big names and plans laid out.
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2006, 12:41:35 pm »
You should also added that Kuyt has 12 assists in 04-05 and 18 assists in 05-06. Very impressive rate for a striker.

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2006, 12:43:18 pm »
With Bellamy, Crouch, Fowler and Kuyt there won't be too many training sessions missed due to modelling assignments. When Rafa said he wanted strikers who can frighten the opposition he clearly wasn't joking.

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2006, 12:43:51 pm »
I noticed his assist stats too, there are not many strikers who get into double figures for assists.
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2006, 12:44:40 pm »
with this being such a surprise signing today Paul, you've written that piece very quickly. ;)


Can happily swear that I wrote it today, just before lunchtime. But used a few adapted paragraphs from The Red Review, which includes fairly detailed looks at players we signed this summer as well as those like Alves, who 'got away'.

So a pretty easy piece to write, especially given the Kuyt debates raging for the last two months, and the fact that I've had plenty of time to think about his arrival, even if I'd not actually pre-prepared an article.

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2006, 12:45:51 pm »
I agree with you about the cisse point i.e not being rafa's type of player!

He seems to like a very fit, very fast team that will not let the oppostion have a second on the bal to build up an attack, and end up hopefully playing it long or giving away posession.

If you look at Cisse last year when the opposition had the ball he wouldn' give 2 shits about chasing them down!

Hopefully Kuyt will be fit enough and fast enough to harry them and shut them down as well as getting in to the attacking positions and banging in a few goals as well.

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2006, 12:47:30 pm »
So the striking roster is about to be completed. With Bellamy, Crouch, Fowler and Kuyt there won't be too many training sessions missed due to modelling assignments. When Rafa said he wanted strikers who can frighten the opposition he clearly wasn't joking.

You can't beat an ugly centre-forward, whose bag-of-spanners face shows he's not afraid to put his head in where it hurts –– although Ian Dowie is living proof that simply being ugly does not suffice on its own.

Excellent piece again Paul.

But I wish you hadn't put this bit in. I've just burst out laughing at work - and I've got a Director sitting opposite me. I need an explanation - quick  :-[

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2006, 12:48:47 pm »
This Kuyt fella is an international man of mystery.

Nobody seems to know exactly where he plays or how he plays. There seems to be alot of mumbo jumbo across various LFC forums about what sort of striker he is. Some people say he's a box player, others say he's a target man, some others say he plays in the hole, others say he tends to drift out wide. Does anyone really has a clue? They either look at his goal record and say he's a box player or they look at his height and say he's a target man. Does he play on the shoulder of the last defender, and have great movement like Shevchenko? Does he drop off and play short interchange of passes a la Bergkamp? Does he dribble and pass like Zola? Does he play like a classic Number 9? There are so many unknowns about this fella. I would love to hear some objective views from Dutch fans who have watched alot of him and can describe exactly what sort of a player he is and how he plays. I don't think we'll really know until the smoke (as well as the hype) has cleared and his feet actually touch the Anfield turf because there's an awful lot of hokum being talked about him at the moment (wasn't referring to the article)

As for his goals record, I don't think it means shit. Even the goals in his goals highlight videos that you can get off YouTube don't look that great. He seems to have a scored his fair share of tap-ins where the Dutch defenders around him have fallen over like skittles. It reminds me of the Cisse videos before we signed him where he was scoring goals left, right and centre and people were crying "Carnage! Carnage! Carnage!" but didn't seem to appreciate that the defenders were nowhere near the calibre of the those that you would find in the Premier League.
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2006, 12:49:27 pm »
Lets go buy a kite, etc.

Very pleased with this signing, gives a better balance to the forward line and gives the team a very rounded look. Great stuff.
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2006, 12:52:53 pm »
good read paul

im gonna reserve judgement til ive seen him properly in the flesh.  Ive seen him twice for feyonord and about 5 times for holland and hes yet to score in those games.  Dunno why but ive got a feeling he could be like nando. 

can anybody tell me how quick he is in comparisons to say nando, crouch, fowler, bellamy, speedy?
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2006, 12:59:00 pm »

can anybody tell me how quick he is in comparisons to say nando, crouch, fowler, bellamy, speedy?

50 m race.

                                      kuyt
                                                   bellamy
                                                                                                gonzalez
                           robbie
                               crouch   
                           nando       
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2006, 01:00:28 pm »
Good read Paul, I`m really excited about the signing of Kuyt and the prospect of him being the goalscorer we have lacked in the last seasons to make us real title challengers.

I should have seen the article coming though and not bothered writing my own little piece on the subject of our strikers :sad

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2006, 01:00:39 pm »
another great read there Paul, I'm very excited about this even though th only times I've seen him play have been in poor international performances, but reading day in day out on RAWK about how great this player is, you start to believe it without actually seeing it!
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2006, 01:03:53 pm »
Kuyt...may just be a Rafa type player. In fact he probably epitomizes what Rafa is looking for.

A player who can play many roles and adapt to the team needs.

It looks like Kuyt can play in the roll of a hold up striker, poacher, go wide when necesary, play in the hole...he may even give the tea ladies a run for their money..;)

And that's just what Rafa likes..

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2006, 01:04:23 pm »
Think we now have the firepower in a similar way to the mancs in 1999. They had four strikers who were all capable of scoring goals and helping them on the way to the treble.

Very happy with this signing and with every other signing this summer.

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2006, 01:06:38 pm »
This Kuyt fella is a international man of mystery.

Nobody seems to know exactly where he plays or how he plays. There seems to be alot of mumbo jumbo across various LFC forums about what sort of striker he is. Some people say he's a box player, others say he's a target man, some others say he plays in the hole, others say he tends to drift out wide. Does anyone really has a clue? They either look at his goal record and say he's a box player or they look at his height and say he's a target man. Does he play on the shoulder of the last defender, and have great movement like Shevchenko? Does he drop off and play short interchange of passes a la Bergkamp? Does he dribble and pass like Zola? Does he play like a classic Number 9? There are so many unknowns about this fella. I would love to hear some objective views from Dutch fans who have watched alot of him and describe exactly what sort of a player he is and how he plays. I don't think we'll really know until smoke clears (as well as the hype) and his feet actually touch the Anfield turf because there's an awful lot of hokum being talked about him at the moment (wasn't referring to the article)

As for his goals record, I don't think it means shit. Even the goals in his goals highlight videos that you can get off YouTube don't look that great. He seems to have a scored his fair share of tap-ins where the Dutch defenders around him have fallen over like skittles. It reminds me of the Cisse videos before we signed him where he was scoring goals left, right and centre and people were crying "Carnage! Carnage! Carnage!" but didn't seem to appreciate that the defenders were nowhere near the calibre of the those that you would find in the Premier League.

he has been quoted in saying he is in similar style to Sheare, not claiming to be as good as, but smae sort of powerful front man, not great pace, but works his ocks off for the team and has a keen eye for goal...

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2006, 01:07:22 pm »
Tomkins is in quite the piss taking mood today ;D

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2006, 01:09:16 pm »
I dont think he will be as prolific as shearer, but he is of a similar style of player.  I will be happy if our 4 strikers chip in their fair share of goals rather than have a goalscoring monster.  They are all more than capable of getting 15-18 each
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2006, 01:10:51 pm »
Very good article Paul, after reported months of chasing Rafa has finally got his man. I agree, that he's just the sort of player Rafa goes for. His reputation in Holland is top draw, was regarded as the golden boy of Dutch football untill Huntelaar burst onto the scene. I may be of an opinion onto my own here, but i personally think shelling out 10 mill on Kuyt is a risk. I hope im wrong, and he turns out to be worth every penny. In Rafa we trust  ;)

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2006, 01:13:20 pm »
50 m race.

                                      kuyt
                                                   bellamy
                                                                                                gonzalez
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                           nando       
hes not faster than bellamy or gonzalez

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2006, 01:14:06 pm »
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« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2006, 01:14:38 pm »
hes not faster than bellamy or gonzalez
i know, he's 3rd in my race,
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« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2006, 01:16:16 pm »
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You can't beat an ugly centre-forward, whose bag-of-spanners face shows he's not afraid to put his head in where it hurts –– although Ian Dowie is living proof that simply being ugly does not suffice on its own.


Jesus Paul let him sign and then put Dowie in the same sentence. Harsh Paul harsh.  ;D
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« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2006, 01:17:29 pm »
i know, he's 3rd in my race,
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2006, 01:18:03 pm »
Dowie wasnt the best player in the world but he did play with a passion and drive that most players today cannot be bothered with.
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2006, 01:18:10 pm »
nice read as usualy paul. I think it is something that is very exciting, I think not only do we have two players for every position, but they all have such different qualities, noone can compare, fairly Kewel or Gonzalez, as the way they will play for us on the left will differ, just as Gerrard and Pennant will.

there will be obvious similarities as Rafa will have a certain plan, but a Midfield of

Gonzalez   Alonso   Gerrard   Pennant

will differ in playing style to

Kewel Alonso Sissoko Gerrard

without it weakening, the same will be said about the front line.

This will give rafa many possibilities and will mean that, with a fit squad, it will be difficult for teams to plan how to play us because of the possibilities we can have and the differing way in which we can attack

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2006, 01:23:22 pm »
Gareth 7..not to mention give the pre-match threads a new life of their own trying to guess Rafa's line up.. :lmao

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2006, 01:25:09 pm »
Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kuyt!..........


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« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2006, 01:26:18 pm »
Yeah cant see it catching on



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Not one of the Beatles' more signable tunes, so unlikely to make it on the Kop...
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« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2006, 01:26:40 pm »


 ;D

Not one of the Beatles' more signable tunes, so unlikely to make it on the Kop...

Wondered how long it'd take anyone to catch on.  :D
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2006, 01:29:08 pm »
"So the striking roster is about to be completed. With Bellamy, Crouch, Fowler and Kuyt there won't be too many training sessions missed due to modelling assignments. When Rafa said he wanted strikers who can frighten the opposition he clearly wasn't joking."
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Best line IMO, even though that sounds a bit unfair to Fowler.

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2006, 01:39:45 pm »
how tall is he? certainly dosnt look like a target man
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2006, 01:40:50 pm »
;D @ the Iain Dowie line.

Great article again. Still, I won't judge him till I've seen him play a few times.
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2006, 01:41:22 pm »
Posted by Paul Tomkins on August 10, 2004, 12:49:14 PM

Cisse… scored 70-odd goals in approximately 100 games in France…

To me, Cisse possesses the potential to be even better than Owen.

What I like most about Cisse is that he is so hungry in the box.

No problem with Rafa signing Kuyt? But, it seems to me that some peoples hype needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2006, 01:45:38 pm »
Posted by Paul Tomkins on August 10, 2004, 12:49:14 PM

Cisse? scored 70-odd goals in approximately 100 games in France?

To me, Cisse possesses the potential to be even better than Owen.

What I like most about Cisse is that he is so hungry in the box.

No problem with Rafa signing Kuyt? But, it seems to me that some peoples hype needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.



I'm sure I read he said thinking Cisse would be great was one of the things he got badly wrong, in the thread about owning up to your mistakes. What are you trying to prove? That people get stuff wrong? Clever you.....

Where's the hype in this article here? It says Kuyt could be really good, but could also fail to translate his great potential in England in much the same way Cisse did.
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Re: Flying With Kuyt
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2006, 01:57:36 pm »
You should also added that Kuyt has 12 assists in 04-05 and 18 assists in 05-06. Very impressive rate for a striker.

Thats impressive. Very much in the Sherringham mould. 

Although i said that about Morrientes.
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