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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13800 on: September 23, 2014, 06:32:34 pm »
Theyre all turning a different corner with various amounts of swagger

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13801 on: September 23, 2014, 06:37:54 pm »
The thing is it looks like the way to improve is the January transfer window. Where people think they need to spend £100m .

Now I ask you this...Clubs in the Champions League aren't going to selling their best defenders just because Man utd come calling. Proven defenders will want to be in the CL. If United aren't close to challenging for a top 4 spot, and that is realistic. Why would proven defenders go there?

Of course United can treble their salary, give them £150 thousand a week or whatever, and they might tempt someone. But then you have mercenaries. If United don't finish in the top 4, their contract if their agent is any good, would have release clauses. Which will cause more upheaval.

Then there's Januzaj. He scored a hat trick for their U21's last week with L vG in attendance. Came on as a late sub. He is rumored to be upset he's not really in Van Gaals plans. He wants to start. It's also rumored he'd like to be loaned out in January or even sold. Which shows the camp is not full of happy campers. I doubt they'd sell him but you don't need unhappy players around.

We don't need to spend £100m in January. All we need is too get a someone in who will improve the defence until the summer. A cheap option, and hope that we can make top 4. The problem is we need to be in the mix for top 4 in January otherwise we could be too far off for it to make a difference.

In the summer we'll have to spend big on the defence and another midfielder.

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13802 on: September 23, 2014, 06:38:57 pm »
Theyre all turning a different corner with various amounts of swagger

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13803 on: September 23, 2014, 06:43:54 pm »
We don't need to spend £100m in January. All we need is too get a someone in who will improve the defence until the summer. A cheap option, and hope that we can make top 4. The problem is we need to be in the mix for top 4 in January otherwise we could be too far off for it to make a difference.

In the summer we'll have to spend big on the defence and another midfielder.

To get a good centre back in January, you would need to hugely overpay. The calibre of player you need will be a starter. You would have to overcome the club's reluctance to sell the heart of their defence. Base price is probably £20m in this market. You would be talking at least Shaw money.

The selling clubs will also know you are desperate. You're going to get fleeced in the January sales.

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13804 on: September 23, 2014, 06:46:08 pm »
To get a good centre back in January, you would need to hugely overpay. The calibre of player you need will be a starter. You would have to overcome the club's reluctance to sell the heart of their defence. Base price is probably £20m in this market. You would be talking at least Shaw money.

The selling clubs will also know you are desperate. You're going to get fleeced in the January sales.

Spot on the not inconsiderable amount of money mate!
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13805 on: September 23, 2014, 07:02:52 pm »
To get a good centre back in January, you would need to hugely overpay. The calibre of player you need will be a starter. You would have to overcome the club's reluctance to sell the heart of their defence. Base price is probably £20m in this market. You would be talking at least Shaw money.

The selling clubs will also know you are desperate. You're going to get fleeced in the January sales.

Agree... but this (these) signing(s) are improbable in January.

But certainly vast sums will have to be spent next summer.  To get 3 starters in defence.

I predict there'll be no Champions League money either.

By that time Rooney and RVP will have got shitter/older/more crabit. They will need replacing in 18-24 months= more huge money. Mata and Falcao, perhaps di Maria/Janujizz will be wanting out.

Its possible that another failed season will be vastly expensive; 2 years, its a potential tailspin.  Louis VG will walk then too.


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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13806 on: September 23, 2014, 07:05:49 pm »
To get a good centre back in January, you would need to hugely overpay. The calibre of player you need will be a starter. You would have to overcome the club's reluctance to sell the heart of their defence. Base price is probably £20m in this market. You would be talking at least Shaw money.

The selling clubs will also know you are desperate. You're going to get fleeced in the January sales.

We always need to overpay anyway. But there's a difference between overpaying and spending £100m which is not going to happen and isn't needed.

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13807 on: September 23, 2014, 07:10:00 pm »
Agree... but this (these) signing(s) are improbable in January.

But certainly vast sums will have to be spent next summer.  To get 3 starters in defence.

I predict there'll be no Champions League money either.

By that time Rooney and RVP will have got shitter/older/more crabit. They will need replacing in 18-24 months= more huge money. Mata and Falcao, perhaps di Maria/Janujizz will be wanting out.

Its possible that another failed season will be vastly expensive; 2 years, its a potential tailspin.  Louis VG will walk then too.

You don't think it's possible to bring in Vlaar or Shawcross? We have first option to buy back Shawcross btw.

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13808 on: September 23, 2014, 07:14:06 pm »
It's more likely to be paper nonsense though. The media haven't forgiven us for getting rid of good old Moyesy like.

Either way, it's amusing.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13809 on: September 23, 2014, 07:14:49 pm »
They will definitely invest big in defense in January and next Summer. Players pop up and United will be first in with massive offers.

The question will be whether Van Gaal will stick it out until then, if they keep fucking up.
If they miss out on top four they can forget about the mega signings next summer ( unless you're counting someone like Shaw as mega )

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13810 on: September 23, 2014, 07:18:36 pm »
It's more likely to be paper nonsense though. The media haven't forgiven us for getting rid of good old Moyesy like.

Agree entirely on that point. Media haven't even waited an appropriate amount of time to start this.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13811 on: September 23, 2014, 07:26:56 pm »
Theyre all turning a different corner with various amounts of swagger

Brilliant!

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13812 on: September 23, 2014, 07:35:04 pm »

My favourite was the "defense diamond"  :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13813 on: September 23, 2014, 08:18:07 pm »
I don't think its makes much difference.  Sure they look chaotic right now, but the back four is pretty much all new to each others so a little bit of that is normal. Their real issue is the team shape.  And even if you find the four best defenders in the world, they will still be exposed to chaos whenever United play.

On Saturday the Dutchman had both his full backs charging forward, and only Daley Blind offering any protection for the two CB's. Blind wasn't up to much as it happens, so they got mullered.  For me it makes no difference if you plonk Kompany and Hummels into that set-up, they still have major problems - and it isn't going to be Kompany and Hummels anyway.

Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal has got himself into a pickle with all these attacking players, the only way he fixes the problem is to leave two or three of them out, and find more conservative quality midfield options - and or abandon the wing back idea altogether.

They are fucked right now, and it is not a clear path back to balance.

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13814 on: September 23, 2014, 08:30:26 pm »
You're going to get fleeced in the January sales.

Why stop a habit of a lifetime?

£18m for Jones, £27m Fellaini, £16m for Zaha, £30m for Berbatov, £28m for Veron!

Not to mention this last 18 months - Mata £37m, Shaw £30m, Herrera £27m and Di Maria for £60m!!  :lmao

UTD fans going on about how much better they look than when Moyes was there. Well considering Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal has spent over £150m you would have thought they'd look a bit better wouldn't you? Just dont tell them that Moyes got 10 more points in their corresponding fixture last season, without that £150m spend! But yeah, Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal is king and its only a matter of time that they will turn another corner....any day now!  ;D
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13815 on: September 23, 2014, 09:03:34 pm »
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13816 on: September 23, 2014, 09:07:18 pm »
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13817 on: September 23, 2014, 09:43:19 pm »
Why stop a habit of a lifetime?

£18m for Jones, £27m Fellaini, £16m for Zaha, £30m for Berbatov, £28m for Veron!

Not to mention this last 18 months - Mata £37m, Shaw £30m, Herrera £27m and Di Maria for £60m!!  :lmao

UTD fans going on about how much better they look than when Moyes was there. Well considering Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal has spent over £150m you would have thought they'd look a bit better wouldn't you? Just dont tell them that Moyes got 10 more points in their corresponding fixture last season, without that £150m spend! But yeah, Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal is king and its only a matter of time that they will turn another corner....any day now!  ;D

Yeah, you've spent £120M this summer yourselves to a side that finished 2nd and are looking equally shite.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13818 on: September 23, 2014, 10:10:50 pm »
Yeah, you've spent £120M this summer yourselves to a side that finished 2nd and are looking equally shite.

Not quite the same story is it mate?
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13819 on: September 23, 2014, 10:11:53 pm »
Yeah, you've spent £120M this summer yourselves to a side that finished 2nd and are looking equally shite.

Even for you that's reaching :D
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13820 on: September 23, 2014, 10:14:39 pm »
Yeah, you've spent £120M this summer yourselves to a side that finished 2nd and are looking equally shite.

Got a point.  But your problems could potentially get far more serious.

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13821 on: September 23, 2014, 10:30:31 pm »
Both clubs need to shape up.

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13822 on: September 23, 2014, 10:59:18 pm »
Hey RedCafe.... seeing as your so intent on commenting on our game tonight on your shitty little forum... can I ask how you got on in the League Cup tonight??

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« Reply #13823 on: September 23, 2014, 11:00:31 pm »
Yeah, you've spent £120M this summer yourselves to a side that finished 2nd and are looking equally shite.

Still in 4 competitions and a point ahead of you  :P

You're not getting anyway near top 4 this season mate. You wont beat west ham at the weekend either. 
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13824 on: September 23, 2014, 11:00:47 pm »
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13825 on: September 24, 2014, 04:53:36 am »
Can someone make a gif of Van Gaal's celebration on their 2-0 goal, and replace the scoreline with 3-5?  ;D

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13826 on: September 24, 2014, 04:55:43 am »
They are like us last season, except way shitter in defense  ;D ;D

I hope Sky go back to seeing them as the box office team again so we can see more embarrassing 7-5 games live on TV  :wave

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13827 on: September 24, 2014, 05:19:08 am »
Yeah, you've spent £120M this summer yourselves to a side that finished 2nd and are looking equally shite.

to be honest you lost with Rooney-RVP-Falcao on the pitch, in other hand our main striker is injured
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13828 on: September 24, 2014, 05:31:17 am »
to be honest you lost with Rooney-RVP-Falcao on the pitch, in other hand our main striker is injured
Lol, its hilarious how a team with Di Maria, Rooney, Falcao, RVP, Mata, and Herrera can get out-gunned by the team with Vardy and Ulloa. I can understand if it was a smash and grab, but the game was really open and should have favored United massively with those players!

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13829 on: September 24, 2014, 05:43:18 am »
Lol, its hilarious how a team with Di Maria, Rooney, Falcao, RVP, Mata, and Herrera can get out-gunned by the team with Vardy and Ulloa. I can understand if it was a smash and grab, but the game was really open and should have favored United massively with those players!

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13830 on: September 24, 2014, 05:44:29 am »
Do they really have a chance of top four this season?

I mean seriously yeah they have a chance but is it anything around the 5/4 mark like I've seen on certain getting sites? I'm just so tempted to put money on them not getting into the top four the season, bar a miracle if I'm honest I just can't see it ... yes I'm biased I'm not gonna deny that I don't want to see them pip us to top four yada yada but I really can't see it happening. I should probably be more concerned by the shite we have been serving up lately but I'm not, why? ........ well I'm pretty confident that things will just click into place, under Rogers we haven't never been fast starters interns of getting out the blocks and hitting top form but once we do we can dose our effort + sustain through the business end off the season etc etc ..

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
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« Reply #13832 on: September 24, 2014, 06:01:34 am »
Do they really have a chance of top four this season?

I mean seriously yeah they have a chance but is it anything around the 5/4 mark like I've seen on certain getting sites? I'm just so tempted to put money on them not getting into the top four the season, bar a miracle if I'm honest I just can't see it ... yes I'm biased I'm not gonna deny that I don't want to see them pip us to top four yada yada but I really can't see it happening. I should probably be more concerned by the shite we have been serving up lately but I'm not, why? ........ well I'm pretty confident that things will just click into place, under Rogers we haven't never been fast starters interns of getting out the blocks and hitting top form but once we do we can dose our effort + sustain through the business end off the season etc etc ..
I was actually somewhat worried that they had come together to become a legitimate threat when they were 3-1 up, but any concerns I had were duly wiped out in 20 minutes.

Being perfectly honest, I think Southampton have a better chance of making the Top 4 than them.

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« Reply #13833 on: September 24, 2014, 06:28:23 am »
I was actually somewhat worried that they had come together to become a legitimate threat when they were 3-1 up, but any concerns I had were duly wiped out in 20 minutes.

Being perfectly honest, I think Southampton have a better chance of making the Top 4 than them.

I keep thinking of Moyes away record last season, his tactics and the way he set them out really suited tricky away games ... Van Gaal's preferred way of playing not so much when it comes to those same away games Moyes was able to consistently pick points up in last season, I can Van Gaal improving their home record on last season for sure, he's added goals to them and they look for fluent in attack but that away record is gonna suffer - that defense is looking like swiss cheese imho.

Then when you break it down, because I can see us + Man United will most likely drops points in both easier fixtures but also your 'harder' fixtures against the likes of Chelsea and Man City ... even tho in a lot of ways I see us picking up points against the bigger teams more so than Man United. anyways ..... the race to get that last CL spot might just come down to who gets the most point from the following mini-league:

Man United
Everton
Tottenham
Liverpool
Arsenal

EDIT: ohhh I agree regarding Man United opening 20 odd minutes, I was concerned a tad bit but really was thinking - "just give it time, give it time....."  ...surely enough that's all that was needed, time for Leicester City to put four past them hahahaha
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13834 on: September 24, 2014, 07:54:02 am »
Worth pointing out that Simon Mignolet now has more goals for the season than Falcao.

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« Reply #13835 on: September 24, 2014, 07:57:15 am »
I expected a much better start. However, we have the right man. There is no doubt about that whatsoever. With wee Davey, we could never say that.

Just quoting this so I can find it in a few months.  "No doubt whatsoever."  I like it. 

By the way, I agree that he might turn it all around, but with his chequered CV I can't see how anyone could possibly say there was "no doubt whatsoever."  Except maybe if you were desperate to believe it after the horror that was Davey Moyes.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13836 on: September 24, 2014, 08:31:06 am »
Di Maria does dictate their tempo of play, but the same can be said for ourselves, with how much we rely on Sturridge. You can't exactly argue that they have the case of relying on one player, when we are the same.

Their defence is a mess, but we can hardly preach. Our backline is a shambles in itself. Just like them, we also lack the ability to control and dominate through the middle but the edge they have is that they have more goals and creativity coming through the likes of Di Maria and Herrera. We can't say the same for Henderson and Allen.

I think both of us have very similar issues in the back and the middle of the park - being soft centred and possessing the ability to dominate a game, but frankly they have the edge in goal production from their centre midfield and attack.

That'll be the difference between both of us in the end.

Strikers don't dictate the tempo, midfielders do. We aren't missing Sturridge for his passes, but for his movement into space and most importantly for his finishing. And either way you turn it: you can't just ignore certain aspects of a midfield. United do have a great attacking midfield with Di Maria, Mata and Herrera (& Rooney sometimes), admittedly better (on paper) than Sterling, Coutinho and Lallana. The defensive midfield is way more important for any team though, because you dictate the play with your defensive midfield. Just compare Gerrard, Lucas, Henderson, Allen and Can to Fletcher, Carrick, Blind, Fellaini and Herrera (who isn't really a defensive midfielder, but gets played there nonetheless). That's why United failed so miserably to close the game off when being up 3-1. They couldn't dictate play and they most certainly couldn't just hold the ball. You're right in your assessment that Di Maria and Herrera will create more than Henderson and Allen. Consequently, they will also be responsibly for more goals conceded. And Henderson and Allen can actually tackle, win and keep the ball.

And seriously, you can't compare our defenses and say we have similar problems. Even our 4th choice central defender (Toure) would play every week for United. We have two proven PL players with Skrtel and Lovren, Sakho who can do a great job but lacks consistency and Toure, an experienced and proven PL CB. United have Evans, Smalling, Jones and Blackett as their CB core. 4 homegrown players who consistently underachieve (or simply are shit) or play their first PL season. Our fullbacks are certainly better too with Moreno, Enrique and Johnson, Flanagan, Manquillo. Compared to Rafael, Shaw, Rojo and whoever they might have on their books. Just compare the individual quality (=on paper quality) of those players like you did with the attacking department. It is blatantly obvious that LFC has the better players.

They might have the better attack, that's something that first has to be proven though. Under Rodgers we have never had a problem of scoring goals after he had settled in for a few months. Van Gaal has yet to prove that his team can score goals against decent sides before anyone can say their attack is better than ours. We certainly have the better defense and defensive midfield though, you can't even argue about it because it is so blatant. Or let's just say it this way: our team is much better balanced and that's why we will finish above them.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is still the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #13837 on: September 24, 2014, 08:34:01 am »
Worth pointing out that Simon Mignolet now has more goals for the season than Falcao.
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« Reply #13839 on: September 24, 2014, 09:11:24 am »
I'll be fair for a moment Cantona.

Almost from the start (with the rare exception) your football was turgid under Moyes and he seemed out of his depth whenever he spoke to the media. We could tell it was a bad fit and so it proved.

This season you have a manager that has proven himself to be successful, and at the same time has a reputation for being a bit of a hot head. That in itself means things could go either way. You've spent a shedload on attacking players so you'd expect to see some extra fluency compared to last season, and in that respect you can say the signs are promising (based on the defences of QPR and Leicester admittedly). I think you won't struggle to score this season in the way you did last year.

On the flip side, despite spending a fair whack on the defence too it currently looks an absolute shambles. I know we're not looking good in that department either (but I'll ignore that for now!). Somehow, a club of your size has gone into the season with an 18(?) year old rookie as part of the first choice line up. The other options there are hardly inspiring either. That said, the way things are going I have no doubt you'll overspend there too and fix the problem in some way (or at least improve things) in January.

All in all then I think you'll be better this season, certainly an easier watch from your point of view. I think the further changes that you need will come to late this season though. Given the average starts from all but Chelsea the door is ajar for you to make top 4 and if you get that I think Van Gaal stays, you spend more and you improve again. If you don't make it then things could get really fun. It's on a knife edge.

Now, I don't like being fair to you so excuse me whilst I hose myself down with Dettol.

I'd say that was a fair post Nick and close to my thoughts on us so far this season, however with regards to the defence I think Van Gaal wanted to give the young British lads a chance before trying to get a top class CB in, although the fact there aren't many top CBs available at the minute may also have been a factor.

I still have high hopes for Jones, I think he has it in him to be a really top defender but Smalling and Evans will never hit that level. A huge problem is they are all injured so much, you can carry one injury prone CB in a squad but 3? You're correct that a club our size shouldn't be relying on a rookie barely out of his teens in a position where experience counts for so much but I think Blackett's done really well overall and i'm happy to see a young Mancunian get his chance in a side that has bought a fair bit of expensive foreign talent especially now Welbeck has been shipped out. Saying all that, mistakes have been made by Van Gaal regarding defence but with the best intentions, this can be rectified in January if necessary and Van Gaal can't be accused of not giving everybody a fair chance.

The plus side is we look like scoring again, and finally look like scoring again from the midfield which is what we have been lacking for a very long time, even in Fergie's final years. We look like we can keep possession and there seems to be a lot of positivity in our players.

The reason I asked whether people seriously couldn't see the difference between United under Moyes and Van Gaal was thinking back to Rodger's first season, I remember chatting to my United and City mates and some just could not see any improvement, while others could. Did they REALLY watch the football or just look at the results?

We won't win any silverware this season for sure but I look forward to us playing again, I can see what Van Gaal is trying to build and it will take time, there is a lot to fix and although the results haven't been up to standard i've seen glimpses of what we will be capable of that we just never had under Moyes and that's why i'm happy for Van Gaal to get the time.

That or i'm just a daft, optimistic twat.


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