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« on: August 19, 2010, 11:27:50 pm »
For the first time in quite a while, I can sit here and praise Liverpool Football Club. Whoever it was who made the decision to make the tickets so reasonably priced deserves a big pat on the back. Today is forty years to the day I arrived on this Earth, and while the celebrations will continue at the weekend, there was nowhere I’d rather be than sat in The Kop with my son (who rarely gets the opportunity to come to Anfield) and his school-friend (who was making his debut).

Even on the walk up from the car, you could sense the anticipation. I was hoping that the eagerness from the new-feel crowd would transcend to the players on the pitch. The crowd seemed to fill up earlier than usual, which perhaps justifies the ticket price decision. The pie and programme-sellers probably haven’t been this busy in a while.

After the exhausting effort the players put in at the weekend against Arsenal, a much-changed side was expected. Pepe Reina continued in goal, across the back-four, Martin Kelly, Jamie Carragher, Sotirios Kyrgiakos and Fabio Aurelio. In midfield, Maxi Rodriguez, Christian Poulsen, Lucas Leiva and Milan Jovanovic, with Joe Cole starting just off Ryan Babel.

For Trabzonspor, Kivrak, Cale, Glowacki, Gulselam, Korkamaz, Inan, Yilmaz, Balci, Teofilp, Bulut and Colman. And yes, I have just copied those names down from a BBC article.

It was a difficult match to predict already. Seven changes from the side that took on Arsenal facing a largely unknown outfit. All we could do is hope one or two grasped the opportunity – namely Joe Cole and Ryan Babel – and keep our fingers crossed Roy had done his homework. From the limited “research” I did of our opponents prior to the match though, I sensed we weren’t in for the vintage display many were expecting. These are a tougher proposition than the fans on the concourse anticipating a three or four nil win realised.

The game began in much the same way the game against Arsenal did. Trabzonspor didn’t fear Anfield. Even after the opening exchanges, it was easy enough to see that none of their team lacked confidence. They kept the ball far better than the men in red, with their number 20, Colman, gluing their fluid midfield together, popping up here, there and everywhere. It was difficult to see what formation they were playing, but at a guess, it looked somewhere between 4-3-3 and 4-4-1-1.

After rewatching the tape from the Arsenal game and hearing Martin Tyler's Monkey’s analysis of our defensive set-up from corners, I must say that so far, I’ve been left unconvinced. There is little doubt that we have shifted from ‘zonal’ to ‘man’ and while it may be just a bedding-in period, the players didn’t look comfortable. It was a good job Kyrgiakos was on the pitch as he seemed to take matters into his own hands. The Greek was the pick of our players in the first-half and even had our best chance early on in the game when he lost his marker from a corner down the other end and had his header palmed clear from their keeper Kivrak.

Trabzonspor continued to knock the ball around us in the first half. Christian Poulsen showed some encouraging signs of what we might grow to expect from him in the future. He stuck his foot in well and, whatsmore, was very assured in possession too.

Up front, we were severely lacking though. Cole and Babel didn’t seem in tune with one another, the service to the wide-players was limited and the opponent’s wingers constantly stuck themselves within five yards of Aurelio and Kelly who rarely crossed the halfway line. Overall the pace of the game was frustratingly laboured, played out as if it were a pre-season friendly. The atmosphere in the stands reflected what was being shown on the pitch, apart from the vociferous thousand or so in the Lower Anfield Road that had travelled from Turkey. One thing that seems certain is that next week is going to be a very hostile environment.

Much like at the weekend, the game appeared to the petering out into half-time when all of a sudden things sprang to life. Joe Cole received the ball and for the first time was able to turn and run at the Trabzonspor defence who parted like the waves. Cole slipped in an inch-perfect pass, Ryan Babel controlled it first time, opened his body up and bent it round the advancing Kivrak. A sublime finish and an ideal end to the half.

The mood around the ground immediately lifted and the rather despondent crowd was now feeling somewhat upbeat. If I’m totally honest, I will admit that in my attempt to remain positive in front of my two excited companions, I was spared a big mouthful of humble pie. I hate to be overly critical of a performance, but I thought Ryan Babel was atrocious. He’s insistent that he is a striker, but apart from the being quick and having a good finish (as he displayed) he seriously lacks the game intelligence to make it at this level up top. But credit to him for his goal which he took brilliantly. (I feel like the two characters from The Muppets, Waldorf and Statler, that change their minds more often Djibril Cisse changes hairstyles.)

As the teams shuffled out for the second half, Liverpool were set to make a change. Fernando Torres ran out onto the pitch in place of Ryan Babel who I can only presume got lost in the dressing room tweeting about what great a moment his goal was. Already I was feeling more positive and the young crowd at Anfield responded to the introduction of Torres with great delight. I informed my son and his friend of the Kop tradition to clap the opponent’s goalkeeper. Unsurprisingly Kivrak – who looks like the sort of person who’d try and entice a girl by showing her his Warhammer collection – didn’t reciprocate the generosity and it wouldn’t be the only occasion he’d fail to endear himself to The Kop.

It didn’t take Fernando very long to make an impact as the second half began. Linking up with Jovanovic on the left-hand side he fizzed a fine effort at Kivrak (who, to be fair, probably made a bit of a meal of it) from the left corner of the penalty area. All the posters, replica number 9 shirts and lunchboxes with his face on them justified immediately.

Liverpool already looked much better in the opening five to ten minutes than we had done in the entire first half. Milan Jovanovic looks very difficult to shake off the ball and he profited from the extra attention the Trabzonspor defence had to pay to Torres, bursting through into the penalty area, only to see his low drive blocked well from the goalkeeper. Suddenly we were looking an extra five yards quicker than our opponents. Maxi Rodriguez was brought down in the penalty area, but the decision was a corner. A few short moments after that Lucas drove into the box and was also brought down by Balci, who looks like he enjoys a pint of Tetleys or twenty every Friday night. This time the referee – who I thought had a shocking game and loved the sound of his own whistle far too much to be truthful – pointed to the spot.

It’s easy to say with hindsight, but I didn’t share the optimism the rest of the crowd did when Joe Cole stepped up to the spot. In fairness, there was no obvious choice from the players on the pitch, but I’d have preferred a cleaner striker of the ball such as Aurelio. Cole looked confident though, but his penalty was poor, lacking any form of pace or accuracy. It summed Joe’s week up, after being shown a red card and being banned from driving in the previous seven days. Given he won’t play in the next three Premier League games, I just hope he doesn’t get too frustrated by his lack of goals as it could potentially affect the rest of his game.

Trabzonspor weathered the early second-half storm and settled back into the rhythm that saw them dominate possession in the first half. They look a very good technical side, but are perhaps a little toothless in front of goal. With that said however, they did manage to produce one moment of sheer brilliance. Umut Bulut’s intelligent run off Martin Kelly was met by an equally intelligent pass. Bulut did everything he could with the effort by Pepe Reina made himself big and saw the ball bounce off him, on to the ground, and over the bar. A corner and a huge let-off.

Fernando Torres had another good effort – this time with his head from a teasing Jovanovic cross – saved well from Kivrak. The decision to bring on N’gog for Maxi was a puzzler, as we seemed to lose all shape. N’gog and Torres played side-by-side giving the already deep midfield-pairing little to aim for along the ground. After this, we looked most threatening from set-pieces. Jovanovic and Maxi’s crossing was very good throughout and in the second half, Kyrgiakos attacked an inviting ball and directed his header at Kivrak. Cole made life difficult for the keeper and Christian Poulsen bundled the ball over the line. Unfortunately the linesman’s flag and the referee’s whistle denied Poulsen a debut goal. The protection on goalkeeper’s in the modern game continues to frustrate the old-timers like myself. A few around me questioned where the fifth and sixth officials were, pondering whether they might have overruled the decision with a greater view of the incident.

In the end, a one-nil lead to take to Turkey next week. Something tells me next week might be a very different kettle of fish. On a night that was supposed to give us an indication as to whether our squad is strong enough to compete with gruelling schedule this season promises to offer, the only thing that can be said is that nothing is conclusive still.

MOTM – Christian Poulsen – I might raise a few eyebrows with this choice given he appeared a little sluggish and off the pace on occasion. With that said, I saw plenty of encouraging signs from the Dane. He was constantly looking for the ball, he kept things simple but was unafraid to try passes that were out of the ordinary when the situation called for it and made life very difficult for the very technically-gifted Tranzonspor midfield. A goal would have been the nice icing on the cake.
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2010, 11:36:20 pm »
Another good report, mate. Little mention of Lucas, though....
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2010, 11:41:17 pm »
Babel weren't atrocious, Poulsen was never the MOTM but fair dos; well written, good review of the game to be honest. I really don't think Ryan was atrocious. His first 45minutes since the beginning of May for gods sake!
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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2010, 11:52:55 pm »
IMO Poulson was pish. But then i did have my 4 year old kid tryin to kick shit outta me the whole game cuz i wouldnt let him play Super Mario Bros so couldnt properly concentrate on it. Gutted for Joe. Babel tok his goal well. Good run out for Nando for a bit of match fitnes/sharpness. As much as i love Carra, really would love him to stop hittin long balls out of defence almost 9 times out of 10.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2010, 12:05:40 am »
Another good report, mate. Little mention of Lucas, though....

Yeah, I don't think he had much impact in the middle which I think speaks for how much we were outnumbered in the centre. Didn't mention that he should have scored with a free-header though.

Babel weren't atrocious, Poulsen was never the MOTM but fair dos; well written, good review of the game to be honest. I really don't think Ryan was atrocious. His first 45minutes since the beginning of May for gods sake!

Fair enough, but come on. We've seen him there in the past and he's been equally poor.

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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2010, 12:06:44 am »
Great again Garstonite - you're not only 40? I thought you were a lot older. Sorry.  :D

Babel will always be a one match in ten player. Great finish but he could be so much better if he could read the game, like in that one instant, more often.

Poulson, given his lack of match fitness, was very promising.

As for Joe Cole, that penalty - had it gone in - could have kickstarted his already encouraging enthusiasm and confidence. Espescially considering the week he's had.
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2010, 12:07:33 am »
Yeah, I don't think he had much impact in the middle which I think speaks for how much we were outnumbered in the centre. Didn't mention that he should have scored with a free-header though.

Fair enough, but come on. We've seen him there in the past and he's been equally poor.

No i agree about his past; but let's give him this season under Roy and then if he hasn't improved i'll agree that it's ready to ship him. Roy has a habit of making poor strikers come good.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2010, 02:50:11 am »
I may have missed it on the pre-match thread, but is there any indication why Aquilani didn't play?
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2010, 02:58:58 am »
Good work there Garstonite.....great summing up.
Absolutely bizzare atmosphere tonight but great to see so many kids in the place.
Long may that continue.

Hope your lad enjoyed it.

I may have missed it on the pre-match thread, but is there any indication why Aquilani didn't play?

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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2010, 03:02:10 am »
I may have missed it on the pre-match thread, but is there any indication why Aquilani didn't play?

Post-match, Mr.Hodgson said that it was because he didn't want to risk a potential loan deal to Italy falling through.

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Good post Garstonite.

One thing which struck me was how deep we were defending in the first half. Second half, we pushed up more and gained a lot more control of the game as a result. Downside being that we were vulnerable yet again to balls played over the top/through the back line. Mixed bag again. Certainly not convinced that Joe Cole can play centrally against teams who squeeze that space properly - especially not if we're playing effectively 6 men back and then trying to live off the scraps of possession we get from hitting it long. Still early days, and one presumes from Mr.Hodgson's comments about 7 first-team players being missing that this was effectively a strengthened second eleven so unfair to read much into it. Hope your lad and his friend enjoyed getting to the game.
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2010, 03:02:28 am »
IMO Poulson was pish. But then i did have my 4 year old kid tryin to kick shit outta me the whole game cuz i wouldnt let him play Super Mario Bros so couldnt properly concentrate on it. Gutted for Joe. Babel tok his goal well. Good run out for Nando for a bit of match fitnes/sharpness. As much as i love Carra, really would love him to stop hittin long balls out of defence almost 9 times out of 10.

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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2010, 03:07:10 am »
Some cheap shots at Babel in there.  Hasn't tweeted about the game yet mind you. There have been games that strikers look absolutely pants and get their goal and that's all that is remembered it seems Babel for some reason is held to a different standard.  Apart from the cheap shots thrown at Babel I enjoyed your post.

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2010, 03:09:45 am »

In the end, a one-nil lead to take to Turkey next week. Something tells me next week might be a very different kettle of fish. On a night that was supposed to give us an indication as to whether our squad is strong enough to compete with gruelling schedule this season promises to offer, the only thing that can be said is that nothing is conclusive still.

MOTM – Christian Poulsen – I might raise a few eyebrows with this choice given he appeared a little sluggish and off the pace on occasion. With that said, I saw plenty of encouraging signs from the Dane. He was constantly looking for the ball, he kept things simple but was unafraid to try passes that were out of the ordinary when the situation called for it and made life very difficult for the very technically-gifted Tranzonspor midfield. A goal would have been the nice icing on the cake.

I reckon that Babel had better get his act together - and pretty damn quick at that. He was awful up until the goal, his distribution, control, awareness, sharpness just wasn't there. I expected Torres to be on in the second half, maybe to play the last 15 mins or so but not to get the full 45 mins, maybe indicative of Roy running out of patience with him. Poulsen's distribution wasn't great at times but the guy is surely a bit ring-rusty, with game time he'll be fine.

The Turks will have their place bouncing and it'll be intimidating so it'll be a real test - more so than tonight.

Oh and to the guy who was in row 15 seat 158 of KL - what the hell were you doing booing at Lucas's name when the lineup was being announced?
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2010, 03:13:02 am »
I reckon that Babel had better get his act together - and pretty damn quick at that. He was awful up until the goal, his distribution, control, awareness, sharpness just wasn't there. I expected Torres to be on in the second half, maybe to play the last 15 mins or so but not to get the full 45 mins, maybe indicative of Roy running out of patience with him. Poulsen's distribution wasn't great at times but the guy is surely a bit ring-rusty, with game time he'll be fine.

The Turks will have their place bouncing and it'll be intimidating so it'll be a real test - more so than tonight.

Oh and to the guy who was in row 15 seat 158 of KL - what the hell were you doing booing at Lucas's name when the lineup was being announced?

How will Roy have run out of patience with Babel in the 45 minutes he's had him on the pitch in a real match?

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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2010, 03:15:13 am »
How will Roy have run out of patience with Babel in the 45 minutes he's had him on the pitch in a real match?

Why take him off, he didn't look punctured? Babel was awful, I felt the crowd was getting after him.
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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2010, 03:15:27 am »
I reckon that Babel had better get his act together - and pretty damn quick at that. He was awful up until the goal, his distribution, control, awareness, sharpness just wasn't there. I expected Torres to be on in the second half, maybe to play the last 15 mins or so but not to get the full 45 mins, maybe indicative of Roy running out of patience with him. Poulsen's distribution wasn't great at times but the guy is surely a bit ring-rusty, with game time he'll be fine.

Come on give the lad a break. He played 45 minutes and scored a goal. Isn't that normally what you want from your striker(s)?
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2010, 03:15:37 am »
Some cheap shots at Babel in there.  Hasn't tweeted about the game yet mind you. There have been games that strikers look absolutely pants and get their goal and that's all that is remembered it seems Babel for some reason is held to a different standard.  Apart from the cheap shots thrown at Babel I enjoyed your post.

Maybe Babel was over-hyped when he joined us. But he really hasn't, as yet, lived up to the potential that we were led to believe he had.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Babel exploding onto the scene this season, but apart from the goal, I'm afraid it was same old, same old from Ryan.

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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2010, 03:16:04 am »
Why take him off, he didn't look punctured? Babel was awful, I felt the crowd was getting after him.

Babel needed some match practise, so did Torres.

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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2010, 03:19:08 am »
I thought Poulsen had a stinker, didn't expect much off him to be fair, hasn't played much pre-season and needs to up his fitness. Don't hold tonight's match against him but just thought it bizarre he was your MOTM.

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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2010, 03:19:48 am »
Maybe Babel was over-hyped when he joined us. But he really hasn't, as yet, lived up to the potential that we were led to believe he had.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Babel exploding onto the scene this season, but apart from the goal, I'm afraid it was same old, same old from Ryan.

Can only agree with this. So much promise prior to coming here but often flattering to deceive.
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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2010, 03:25:21 am »
Why take him off, he didn't look punctured? Babel was awful, I felt the crowd was getting after him.
Like someone said Torres needs match fitness.  Also this is Babels first competitive match since last season(correct?), so to be fair which goes against the grain with some here we can safely assume he lacks some match fitness.

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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2010, 04:26:32 am »
Thanks Garstonite.  Great report as usual - the match wan't shown here so it's much appreciated.

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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2010, 04:32:29 am »
Honestly don't get the Babel slating whatsoever, hardly had the ball in the first half.

I think if Torres had started up front, we'd have gone in at half time with exactly the same result.
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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2010, 05:03:37 am »
Excellent write up Garstonite, cheers for the effort mate.

Your mom did raise a few eyebrows. Poulsens rustyness was painfully obvious in the first half. I wasn't worried because I am a fan of his and the lack of first team football and pre season will of course bring it on.

I probably would of plumped for the greek as MOM myself.

I'm not convinced about our set piece defending either. I do think we are now employing a hybrid of zonal and man to man. The actual defenders take a man whilst the smaller players take a zone. As you said, it may be a bedding in process as no doubt they would have been drilled senseless by Rafa on the art of zonal marking (which I actually prefer). It will be interesting to see the level of success we have with our defending of set pieces. I also think it may vary, depending on the opponents. Against Arsenal we had two men on the posts and two men patrolling the corner of the 6 yard box with the rest going man for man, whereas tonight we had one man on the post and another marking the space opposite. Its definately very interesting for me to see and I'll be keeping a keen eye on it.....have a fascination for the art of defending.

I had no real faith in Joe Cole scoring the peno but hats off to the lad for trying. He wanted to break his duck in front of the Kop on a European night......good thing we have a few penaltie experts in Stevie and Derek.

I thought in the first half we were incredibly flat. I sat there thinking that fuck all had changed. We were set up the same. We had the same stumbling tempo to our game....we lacked any kind of fluidity and cutting edge...our players were like strangers. The turks bossed large parts of the first half without actually putting us under any real pressure but they looked a hell of a lot more comfortable than the men in red did on the ball.

Honorable mention to Martin Kelly and especially Fabio Aurellio. The difference in positional awareness between him and young Insua is frightening. I'm glad we decided to resign him.....let the new medical whizz kids have a bash at keeping him fit he could be one of our signings of the season....

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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2010, 05:52:02 am »
Thought that the game was a very strange and almost surreal European night for Anfield - for me as a 64 year old United fan, it never quite became alight as in former years you know? Jim Beglin was saying much the same in his match commentary and listening between the lines, he also seemed to be expressing concerns with how much ball-domination Trabzonspor had.

To be fair, he and everyone else needs to give the side a reasonable chance to get some gelling time behind them before expecting magic. After all, there were some unfamiliar faces out there - with key players rested or injured and newbies  given a run-out. Whilst it's to be expected that the fans will always want to see their team destroy the opposition, more than just a smattering of patience is called for in these early days.

I like Roy Hodgson. He's an honest bloke and given time and fan support, he'll produce a decent side. It might take a little time though.

It'll not be a walk in the park in the return leg though - as I suspect Roy will remind his players.

 
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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2010, 08:20:23 am »
Poor tactics and a poor performance from the team. Don't agree with poulsen being man of the match.

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« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2010, 08:43:15 am »
Enjoyed that mate - quick work aswell!

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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2010, 08:56:29 am »
Three out of four wins and no defeats is the big picture here. And the wins have come without arguably our first team on the pitch together.

It was a trying game last night. They were a passing team and the conditions were difficults to get to grips with. Basically a perfect scenario for an upset, especially if a speculative effort had flew in from them a la Graz. I can understand Cole taking the penalty but he shouldn't have. I felt we saw a very selfish streak in him yesterday apart from the pass to Ryan.

Though Jovanovic started well and faded. Poulsen looks to have a decent shot on him, and was busy but clearly lacking match practise. Kyri was outstanding (MOTM) as was kelly. Though Aurleio's deliveries were poor compared to what he can offer.  Maxi was like a breath of fresh air on the right again (please no more cameos on the left!!) with neat interplay and should have had a penalty.

Lucas' biggest contributions were in the penalty area again, winning a penalty and missing a free header, he also had a couple of nice runs towards the penalty area where he just failed to pick out the final ball.

Can't really criticise Babel too much. It was a poor first half from everyone and he was not the only one who was constantly second best to the ball. He had forty five minutes, once clear chance and took it. It's now what gives us the lead going to Turkey. I'm heartened by the results despite the performances. I think we will gradually improve on that respect and if the results keep coming we can have a lot to look forward to.

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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2010, 09:14:29 am »
I have to say, I am a bit worried by Cole. I, like most people, raised a few eyebrows when the deal went through. Yossi and £5 million for Cole seemed on paper an excellent bit of business. Not having seen much of him (my strongest memory is of the miss against Liverpool in the run-up to the 2005 CL final) I was a bit concerned that Mourinhio had been unable to make much of him, but persuaded myself it was down to injuries. Now though I'm beginning to suspect we may have been sold a lemon.

I don't doubt he has ability, but he seems to lack footballing intelligence. In possession he makes frankly odd decisions, but of greater concern is his positioning, which is not the flitting, dancing movement of Yossi but instead the glued-to-the-one-spot, unmoving approach of Cisse for example. Perhaps its early, perhaps in time he will improve. But could it be the reason that Cole made so little impact at Chelsea is because he doesn't have the football intelligence to be a top player?

Which brings me to the frankly ludicrous and downright creepy ballsack-tonguing that the ITV commentary team were giving Cole and Hodgson for that matter. It has long been the practice of the English media to hype English managers and players, since good English players/management means a better England team. Its almost like they were persuading themselves that Cole was doing better than he was and Hodgson was setting the team up differently to Benitez.

It is of course early days yet and its unsurprising Liverpool so closely resemble the Spaniard's style. Which makes the frothy-mouthed lovefest all the more inexplicable. Cole was at one point called a genius. Hodgson was eulogized as being a lovely guy, down to earth and general friend of the players. Even his Redknappesque comment about diving foreigners went unremarked. Had it been Benitez, Mourinhio, Ferguson or Wenger, they would have been lambasted.

Its all very bizarre and gives one pause for thought. Quite simply, have the likes of Cole and Hodgson been over-rated by a media desperate for English success? Its hard to say at such an early venture, but my jangling nerves would jangle far less if ITV could draw in the whole hoop love.
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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2010, 09:16:46 am »
Poulsen MOTM?  I think those 40-yr old eyes are starting to go! :P
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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2010, 09:18:05 am »
Enjoyed the read and it sounded like you had a fun evening with the kids, i liked Poulson's debut and agree showed signs of what hopefully is to come, thought Trabs were well drilled and tested a under strength side all night, we should have won by more but i wouldnt give a monkeys if we were eliminated out of this competition next week, travelling to the wilds of Europe on a Wednesday travelling back into Friday and playing league games on Sunday is not going to help us gain Champions League qualification, it is of paramount importance to get back in the top 4 playing in this competition will not help that at all
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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2010, 09:34:28 am »
one thing is certain after last night.......babel is not a forward.....his hold up and link up play ....runs behind the defence were none existant....on the plus side jovanovic is improving our left side and his all round game is becoming very encouraging......

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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2010, 09:36:35 am »
considering lucas and poulsen hadnt played together before they showed signs of a more balanced / telepathic partnership.

only problem was the front 2 (if you can call them that) was like a bucket with a hole in it.
the ball was won back constantly.

if roy wants to be "less patient" he really needs to get a player who will hold it up in the hole rather than rely on players who dont understand movement well enough to open up defences.
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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2010, 09:59:13 am »
Kyrgiakos was my MOTM.  Babel was poor, but his first game back, rusty, and service to him was dreadful.

I'm not sure about Cole playing in the centre.  He's "learning" this position - but considering the financial importance of progressing through this qualification stage is this the time to "learn"?


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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2010, 10:16:56 am »
Kyrgiakos for me was the best player , poulson done ok he is a bit slow but passes it very well and was in the attack to get a goal that was unfortunately rubbed out ,    joe cole has a long way to go as his liverpool career has not got off to the best start and his season possibly won't really get started until his ban is up ,   babel nice goal but same old ryan but he hasn't played for a long time so maybe he needs a little time ,   young prospect martin kelly looked a bit out of sorts from all the other good games he has played this possibly was his worst hopefully just part of his learning curve ,   lucas once again neat and tidy but thats it jovanovic faded out the game after his clean through miss but done ok  ,   Roy will have to have a long think after Monday's game about the away tie it will be tricky  not over by a long chalk but with no away goals for trabzon thats to our advantage .

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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2010, 10:27:07 am »
I would like to see a Cole-Gerrard-Maxi three behind Torres, with Cole on the left. You don't break up a partnership Torres has called telepathic in private conversation with one of the best players on the planet merely because of the hope that an alternative combination is going to click as well. If Aquilani is going we need an alternative to Gerrard in the centre mid, though Poulsen looks a useful enforcer with a bit of vision in the pass.

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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2010, 10:35:10 am »
Poor tactics and a poor performance from the team. Don't agree with poulsen being man of the match.

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But totally agree with your assessment. I personally think we are going out of this competition. We should have been subbing Cole and playing Aqualani with Torres.
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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2010, 10:35:33 am »
If you get rewarded man of the match for the most passes back towards your own goal in a match then i agree, Poulson!

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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2010, 11:14:21 am »
Considering how unmatchfit Poulsen is, I think he did ok, and there was enough indication of his ability to give me hope. Babel may also not be matchfit, but I really am concerned about his ability. You could see the difference in quality of the movement off and on the ball, and the creativity, when Torres came on in his place. I like Kelly. Cole was, I thought, a bit out of sorts, as was the whole midfield in the first half. Jovanovic was only so-so.

Regarding the changes made in the 2nd half, and playing Babel as the target man, I'm guessing that RH used this game to try out various combinations of players (e.g. Torres and Ngog playing together), since he's only just got all his players back and hasn't had much time with them. A big risk, but I'm guessing that he thought it was better to do his testing now, see for himself which players could play where and how, so that he could get down to sorting out his first 11 and preferred formation.

And we did come away with a win. But is it enough for next week's away leg? On one hand we will probably field a much stronger team next Thurs. On the other hand, the stronger team will be playing Man City on Mon and may be tired out by the game and travel to Turkey.

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Re: Liverpool 1 Trabzonspor 0 - Questions Still Left Unanswered
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2010, 11:19:14 am »
Kyrgiakos for me was the best player

First half Kyrgiakos was best player, second half Lucas imo. Not sure how Poulsen has been mentioned. He was steady and shame he was disallowed a perfectly good goal.