Topic: Jonathon Patrick Flanagan.

[Pistolero]

not as much as the back tracking from clueless plantpots makes me laugh....

You mean like Spearing proved the doubters wrong on about 50 separate occasions before getting shipped out to Bolton? People were concerned about Flanno starting for a reason, one swallow doth not a summer make...

I rest my case..

[Keith Lard]

Few of the RAWK footy managers fucked up again?

Allow people their opinions mate. A lot of people are also happily eating humble pie and showing an ability to hold up their hands. Rather that than pin drop silence because people are too entrenched in their opinions to admit Flanno had a good game.

[ghost1359]

I rest my case..

How is that back tracking? I'll put it as clearly as possible for you. He played very well yesterday but I don't rate him and in the long term I don't see him having a lengthy playing career at Liverpool.

[Melbred]

Allow people their opinions mate. A lot of people are also happily eating humble pie and showing an ability to hold up their hands. Rather that than pin drop silence because people are too entrenched in their opinions to admit Flanno had a good game.

I had my reservations about him, still feel I was entitled to them considering we have a young lad who had seemingly dropped off the radar, re-emerge and start a derby in a position that's not his preferred one.

He had a good game, and although signs were encouraging, it's still only one game. Hopefully he can push on now with the bucket loads of confidence he must have right now.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

Allow people their opinions mate. A lot of people are also happily eating humble pie and showing an ability to hold up their hands. Rather that than pin drop silence because people are too entrenched in their opinions to admit Flanno had a good game.

flanno had a good game.....but he still went awaol several time and it really exposed the backline.

although agger really shouldn't have let lukaku just run off him on one of those occasions.

also there was one occasion when flanno left a man 10 yards behind him in acres...he came to win the ball and just about did.
problem is your not going to win those 40/60s all the time and when you don't you will seriously expose important space.

other than that I though his play was excellent..composed on the ball and used it like a mature player would.

suspect he will go the way of spearing though.

[Pistolero]

How is that back tracking? I'll put it as clearly as possible for you. He played very well yesterday but I don't rate him and in the long term I don't see him having a lengthy playing career at Liverpool.

im sure he'll be distraught upon hearing that....


just to reiterate...well in Flanno...keep proving the tools wrong

[Elzar]

Thought he was great in both games he has come in for recently. If he continues to work and build on this, he can become a good squad player for us.

[Haemoglobin]

If he produces more of this level of performance with reasonable consistency in the coming games and people are still like "he did alright but I just don't think he's Liverpool quality", you'll know then that he's simply one of those players. You know, the ones always damned with faint praise while others get off scott free with multiple dodgy showings (Dagger, you know I love ya, but fucking hell man, you're gona need to properly bring it soonish or I won't be able to crowbar you into all my formation scribblings purely out of besotted loyalty anymore).

Having Flanno in the premier league squad should not be a barrier to us looking to significantly improve our personnel at those fullback/wingback spots in the markets, that'd just be silly, and probably ultimately counterproductive. But he's barely out of his teens, and he appears to be learning and developing in his defensive roles at an impressive rate, which in itself shows us some priceless mental qualities. That sheer dedication and determination deserves better than "nice enough game today, but he won't make it here". That's just some churlish shit. I deeply want him to prove my tentative opinion of him from just a few months back utterly wrong; I want him to stand over me hands on hips, emitting a wicked scouse cackle into the sky as I pathetically pick up the manky dollops of my wrongness off the dirty floor and eat them with a chastened grimace.

Plus, Kolo reckons he's a born leader. KOLO!

[clinical]

The games he's played has suited him. When we have to break a team down that's when he'll struggle

[Pistolero]

The games he's played has suited him. When we have to break a team down that's when he'll struggle

 

[B0151?]

Am I confident enough to say that Flanagan will be in the Liverpool starting line up, or even squad, in the next 5 years? No.

But I'm also very aware that his last season was battered by injuries and he is 20 years old. Other than that, all our impressions of him come from him as an 18 and 19 year old. Not prepared to write him off or write him in. He's certainly wrote himself into the manager's thoughts with his last 2 performances though.

It's all up to him now. Play like that whenever he's picked and I'm sure we'll keep him around. I think it's good to have local lads like him around too, even if they're not necessarily starting every game.

[FernandoTourettes]

The games he's played has suited him. When we have to break a team down that's when he'll struggle

I'd agree with that. Great game yesterday, happy for the lad. Was exactly what we need from him in the derby. I was down at the emirates to see him put a decent there too and deserves this ( mostly positive ) thread.

Still got a fair bit to go to warrant a regular starting place and people shouldn't be shot down for highlighting that. For example, haven't seen much of him in terms of an attacking sense at all yet.

[fewmin' bedwetter]

He's very cool on the ball - not just yesterday. Potential defensive mid?

[RedHopper]

WTF

Paul mcShane is the best example I can think of, of a player who initally looked very impressive because he was an all or nothing defender.

[Draex]

I like me defenders to be able to defend first and attack second.. He certainly does that, few rash decisions at the beginning but he grew into the game - he needs to start the next few as he deserves to keep his spot.

[Funky_Gibbons]

Paul mcShane is the best example I can think of, of a player who initally looked very impressive because he was an all or nothing defender.

Thought he was in Hi-de-Hi. 

[robgomm]

He's made 12 tackles in two games. Obviously it'll even out over the course of a season but that's a heck of a stat. But he's also been dribbled past 7 times and that's where he's got a weakness. He was more composed on the ball than Johnson yesterday I thought. For me if we have Johnson swashbuckling on the right, it's good to have a solid figure on the left. I'd like to see him get more chances and become more solid as he looks to have a lot of potential.

[Mutton Geoff]

Paul mcShane is the best example I can think of, of a player who initally looked very impressive because he was an all or nothing defender.

wasnt he in Hi DE Hi, i will have what your smokin.

[Alf Garnett!]

JF had a great game yesterday,his versatility playing either side & doing well too will see him having a long career here.

[Halcyon Lissome]

He's made 12 tackles in two games.

Yaya Toure has only 19 for the season.

[Draex]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17kp5v_jon-flanagan-vs-everton_sport

If this was a new signing and called Flannoinio people would be spunking their load all over the shop.

[Schmidt]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17kp5v_jon-flanagan-vs-everton_sport

If this was a new signing and called Flannoinio people would be spunking their load all over the shop.

That cliche is getting pretty old now and I don't think it's accurate in this case.

I was surprised by how well he played with the ball, he's a lot better at maintaining possession than he used to be, and I liked how he was frequently on the front foot, stepping out to make interceptions and tackles before the opposition player could settle on the ball.

His weaknesses are highlighted in that video too though, at least three different players went past him like he wasn't even there, and at times he actually wasn't there which isn't really acceptable given his lack of attacking threat.

Full-back remains our biggest weakness by far, Enrique and Johnson on form are fantastic but both have had their injury problems and we have zero players who I'd say are acceptable back-ups.

[Pistolero]

But he's barely out of his teens, and he appears to be learning and developing in his defensive roles at an impressive rate, which in itself shows us some priceless mental qualities. That sheer dedication and determination deserves better than "nice enough game today, but he won't make it here". That's just some churlish shit.

[B0151?]

That cliche is getting pretty old now and I don't think it's accurate in this case.

I was surprised by how well he played with the ball, he's a lot better at maintaining possession than he used to be, and I liked how he was frequently on the front foot, stepping out to make interceptions and tackles before the opposition player could settle on the ball.

His weaknesses are highlighted in that video too though, at least three different players went past him like he wasn't even there, and at times he actually wasn't there which isn't really acceptable given his lack of attacking threat.

Full-back remains our biggest weakness by far, Enrique and Johnson on form are fantastic but both have had their injury problems and we have zero players who I'd say are acceptable back-ups.

If Flanagan wasn't an acceptable back-up yesterday, what was he?

[John C]

It did puzzle me why Flanagan was treated like a bad smell by Kenny's regime after that one mistake. As far as I could see he'd performed quite superbly in the few games he'd played. It didn't exactly cause me sleepless nights but I was bemused by how the door was closed in his face so suddenly and by how so many on the likes of these forums appeared to have so quickly adopted the default position that he was shite. I ended up just assuming I knew fuck all and that despite what I'd thought he wasn't really very good.

Fuck me, he's proving everyone wrong just now. Credit to him. And to Brendan Rodgers for trusting in him, though from what I can see he looks no better nor worse than he did when he had those games for Kenny.   

He was rash Timbo mate and at the time not quite at the same level as Robinson, but 18 months of maturity and watching his side in the pub playing in Europe instead of being with the squad can shift positions.

[Mutton Geoff]

some funny c*nts in this one, made their mind up about a kid ages ago and now justifying their position.

Listen you know fuck all you gobshites. you don't even know where L4 is

I do! People always make instant decisions though and stick with it  good or bad , we saw it with, Lucas, etc, whereas we used to do it over a pint Sean, and then forget about it .

[Schmidt]

If Flanagan wasn't an acceptable back-up yesterday, what was he?

A third choice option for either side who can be loaned out here and there I'd say. We need options in each position who can come into the team and allow us to play the same type of football without too great a drop in quality, and even push the first choice player for a place in the team. After Johnson and Enrique there's a big drop in the quality of options we have, hence Johnson playing regularly last season even when he looked tired.

This isn't an attack on Flanagan, I'd happily see him keep a place in the squad but not as a second choice left-back.

[john_mac]

I do! People always make instant decisions though and stick with it  good or bad , we saw it with, Lucas, etc, whereas we used to do it over a pint Sean, and then forget about it .

Sean? Who??

We didn't by the way, we never used to talk about knowing more than Bill, Bob, Joe or Kenny. We may have different opinions than theirs but we supported them, we never sat like smug gobshites playing footy manager games buying kids from Barca thinking we were the next Jose Mourhino. Certainly none of us would have tried to get Rafa sacked because we thought that Mourhino was gonna come to us, you fuckin knobheads. Fuck all to do with LFC

[Draex]

Sean? Who??

We didn't by the way, we never used to talk about knowing more than Bill, Bob, Joe or Kenny. We may have different opinions than theirs but we supported them, we never sat like smug gobshites playing footy manager games buying kids from Barca thinking we were the next Jose Mourhino. Certainly none of us would have tried to get Rafa sacked because we thought that Mourhino was gonna come to us, you fuckin knobheads. Fuck all to do with LFC

Really? Didn't there used to be a Q&A after the match where you could ask questions? Pretty certain the managers were questioned over lots of things - including selection etc.

[john_mac]

Really? Didn't there used to be a Q&A after the match where you could ask questions? Pretty certain the managers were questioned over lots of things - including selection etc.

No there wasn't.

But I'll ask a question, when was the last time you parted with any dough and went the match?

[MolbyLovesGravlax]

Flannagan, in a similarish way to Henderson and even Skrtel, has shown other players, young or old, if you train hard and work on following the instructions Rodgers gives you, that you will be rewarded. This is what Charlie Adam said, which was just lost in the RAWK ridicule of Adam, when he said maybe he should have stayed and put his head down and seen if he could play his way back into the team.

[Draex]

No there wasn't.

But I'll ask a question, when was the last time you parted with any dough and went the match?

Yes there was - my grandad is from Liverpool and he pre-dates you old man, tells he had been to a few of them, superfan eh?

None of your business, I don't have to prove my loyalty especially to a bigot like you.

[john_mac]

Yes there was - my grandad is from Liverpool and he pre-dates you old man, tells he had been to a few of them, superfan eh?

None of your business, I don't have to prove my loyalty especially to a bigot like you.

So you don't go, probably never been but question those who have coz yer granda once got the 14c? Give us a break. Leeds fan

[Draex]

So you don't go, probably never been but question those who have coz yer granda once got the 14c? Give us a break. Leeds fan

I used to take him every single year for his birthday - since his stroke he can't go, so get a clue you absolute bigot.

[Mutton Geoff]

John what I meant was not second guessing the manager  never did that at all, but we used to say things like Player x wasnt so good today then forgot about it  now someone has a bad game it sticks with them in here, as for the Sean bit maybe I should get out more. 

[john_mac]

John what I meant was not second guessing the manager  never did that at all, but we used to say things like Player x wasnt so good today then forgot about it  now someone has a bad game it sticks with them in here, as for the Sean bit maybe I should get out more. 

Look, end of the day, any discussion about the game in the auld days was a million miles from the footy manager pricks in here and there was one massive difference most of the pricks doing it knew that they knew fuck all, not like the gobshites in here watching a shitty seven inch stream thinking they are Walter Winterbottam

[Schmidt]

John what I meant was not second guessing the manager  never did that at all, but we used to say things like Player x wasnt so good today then forgot about it  now someone has a bad game it sticks with them in here, as for the Sean bit maybe I should get out more. 

It's a bit unfair to paint everyone with the same brush like that, it's become impossible to discuss certain players because any comment perceived as negative gets jumped on so quickly.

[Red Genius]

.........watching a shitty seven inch stream thinking they are Walter Winterbottam

 

[Pistolero]

and there was one massive difference most of the pricks doing it knew that they knew fuck all, not like the gobshites in here watching a shitty seven inch stream thinking they are Walter Winterbottam

 

[Hazell]

That derby performance will give him a lot of confidence going forward, something he'll take into future games. He's shown he can handle the Premier League in the few games he's played so far and it'll be great for him the next time he starts. It also gives other younger players the confidence that they'll get the opportunity if they impress in training and that can only be a good thing for them and the competition within the squad. And so credit to Rodgers for being brave and playing him.