Topic: 2014-15 Loan Watch

[diegoLFC7]

I laugh at people who want Origi in January. He's not gonna come into a new team and score 15 goals to get us 4th. Its just unrealistic. We don't create enough chances for him to benefit on. Leave the lad alone until the summer, let him come to Melwood get settled, get to know the city all that good stuff and then put him on the pitch. He doesn't need any extra pressure and forwards are not our main concern. When we sign Firmino, Reus, and Schurle in January were gonna win the league  Keep calm lads.

[Obviously]

We only say that because we`re desperate to get a good striker in - for me it`s a bit selfish. If we are so desperate we should get a senior striker in January rather than putting unnecessary pressure on a 19-year old. We don`t even learn from Sterling situation who we drafted from a supporting cast to a leading role and as a result we have him stagnating last month or two instead of kicking on because again we`re putting unnecessary pressure on him to be our go to guy - a boy who is still developing physically and mentally.

We don't have to put pressure on him to be our saviour, but he can be a good option as a supporting cast. As of right now Sterling and Balotelli are getting all the pressure. Get Sturridge back and Origi as an option and we can ease some of the pressure on the former two, which could help them perform better. His versatility would also be welcomed, and i can see him playing in a fitting as a partner with all our strikers. Getting Origi now could also help him to perform at a higher level next season because he's already settled. Some players also thrive on more pressure, and it doesnt necessarily mean it will hurt his development. Im not saying its the right decision to get him in january, but its more complicated than just saying we shouldn't get him because it will put pressure on him.

[zabadoh]

No. 

You're delusional if you think a 19 year old who hasn't trained with the club can come in cold and make a useful contribution to the first team.

[deadsetred]

He did but he played behind two world-class strikers and this season with the series of bad decisions we got ourselves into the position where a 19-year old is our go to guy. And that`s my point these guys should be supporting cast, playing here and there , having regular rest but with Origi it sounds like we want him early so he can solve our trouble especially in case if Daniel gets injured again which I`m sure people here wouldn`t be brave to bet against.

That's a good point. Theres a massive difference between playing a kid alongside a bunch of star players, and playing that kid AS the star player

[DanA]

No. 

You're delusional if you think a 19 year old who hasn't trained with the club can come in cold and make a useful contribution to the first team.

I wonder if Coutinho in 2012/13 was thinking he should wait until July to join. After all it's delusional to think someone young can make a useful contribution to the first team.

[JoeCole]

Origi starting ahead of Lukaku and Benteke again for Belgium in their qualifier and some people still think he's not good enough to play a part here yet 

[zabadoh]

...Which resulted in a 0-0 draw against a 34th ranked Wales side.  Belgium is ranked 4th. 

Origi played as the lone forward in a 4-5-1.

[ThePoolMan]

I wonder if Coutinho in 2012/13 was thinking he should wait until July to join. After all it's delusional to think someone young can make a useful contribution to the first team.

Even now Coutinho has not sealed a permanent starting place in the first 11. Players of that age will need time to grow and improve.

[ThePoolMan]

Origi starting ahead of Lukaku and Benteke again for Belgium in their qualifier and some people still think he's not good enough to play a part here yet 

Origi has seemed to excel more playing wide than as a lone CF thus far.

[DanA]

Even now Coutinho has not sealed a permanent starting place in the first 11. Players of that age will need time to grow and improve.

.............and the goal post shifts. I thought the bench mark was useful contribution. Are you trying to suggest Coutinho didn't have a useful contribution immediately after his arrival in January? Personally I thought he did and while it's unreasonable to suggest Origi will match that, I don't think it's unreasonable to hold the belief that we could make use of him if we could arrange to get him in Jan.

[SwordInYourGut]

Need a striker-have one on our books who can contribute-bring him in.

I don't see the argument against it at all, unless we are signing someone else. Its not like any of our current forwards are going to keep Origi out of the team.

[SquirrelandGman]

Get origi in.ASAP. In fact he shouldnt have been loaned back in the first place.

We might not have needed balotelli if he had stayed here initially. Silly negotiations imo

[Draex]

Even if Origi only plays a bit part for the remainder of the season he will gain valuable experience and start the transition to Liverpool.. Instead he'll be far more ready by next season than coming in cold at summer.

[harryc]

Heaven forbid he may even offer more of a goal threat than the 3 incumbents who so far have not managed a PL goal between them.

[hassinator]

we could definitely do with someone who can stretch the play and give our MF some space to play.

why not origi?  he's a big boy playing international football.

[MolbyLovesGravlax]

we could definitely do with someone who can stretch the play and give our MF some space to play.

why not origi?  he's a big boy playing international football.

Yeah I am not sure why he is good enough to be a starter for the team ranked 4th in the world but it is laughable to suggest he might be a useful option for a, currently, mid table premier league team whose available strikers have 0 league goals between them.

[diegoLFC7]

Its silly business to pay more money for a player that is already ours!!!!!! FFS Lads just leave him alone till the summer. Our frailties are in the midfield, defense, and BR's stubborn lone striker tactic. We don't create chances for Mario and we play him in a role where he can't excel. Now with Sturridge back we will see a more dynamic level of play like we showed against Tottentham. Leave this kid alone and let him finish his loan spell.

[JustDan]

Get origi in.ASAP. In fact he shouldnt have been loaned back in the first place.

We might not have needed balotelli if he had stayed here initially. Silly negotiations imo

Maybe because Lille refused to make a deal unless they could keep him for the coming season?
Why does the fault always have to lie on our side?

[hassinator]

Its silly business to pay more money for a player that is already ours!!!!!! FFS Lads just leave him alone till the summer. Our frailties are in the midfield, defense, and BR's stubborn lone striker tactic. We don't create chances for Mario and we play him in a role where he can't excel. Now with Sturridge back we will see a more dynamic level of play like we showed against Tottentham. Leave this kid alone and let him finish his loan spell.

why is it silly?  we need a striker and paying extra for origi would the equivalent of a loan fee.  instant competition and perhaps a starters role for a  player we've tracked for a couple of seasons.  this strikes me as a no brainer if we can get lille to play ball.

[Adeemo]

why is it silly?  we need a striker and paying extra for origi would the equivalent of a loan fee.  instant competition and perhaps a starters role for a  player we've tracked for a couple of seasons.  this strikes me as a no brainer if we can get lille to play ball.

Indeed, it's a lot more sensible to bring forward Origi's integration than to pay out for yet another stop gap.

[B0151?]

Rodgers has spoken so highly of Origi, I think it would be a stranger decision if he wasn't the striker we decided to go for in January.

The other options are a stop-gap (who is there?) or someone that would block his progress when he'd come in the summer.

If we're going to get a striker in January then it should be bringing Origi here early. If we're not then fair enough, fingers crossed Sturridge stays fit as we don't have the personnel to play one up front or two up front without him.

[IanZG]

Imagine the comments here if we paid another 10 million for a player we already own and he didn't immediately make an impact (which is quite possible since he's only 19 and playing in a weaker league)

[Kopenhagen]

Indeed, it's a lot more sensible to bring forward Origi's integration than to pay out for yet another stop gap.

Why do we have to target a "stop gap," though?

[Lolo]

Yeah I am not sure why he is good enough to be a starter for the team ranked 4th in the world but it is laughable to suggest he might be a useful option for a, currently, mid table premier league team whose available strikers have 0 league goals between them.

I tend to agree with this, but I'm sure in my mind that the reason we were able to actually sign him was on the basis on the loan-back....otherwise the deal wouldn't have gone through.
If Lille decide that he isn't making a big-enough impact with them, and we wave a few crisp bank notes in front of them, then by all means bring him in! The ball is basically in their court.

[Gerrard#1]

Has Origi really proven himself yet? He could easily come over and do no better than Balotelli. He isn't a consistent goalscorer from what I've seen and he isn't standing out in a rubbish Lille team so how is he going to help a poorly preforming PL team.

[Gerrard#1]

Why do we have to target a "stop gap," though?

Couldn't we just try and loan a decent striker for 6 months? Maybe one that is under performing or leaving at the end of the season and wants to try his luck here?

[liverpooll]

You should see Markovic videos last season at Benifica, he was very good. Yet, at LFC currently, he looks a out of touch.

Origi is a similar case, performance in another league certainly doesn't  automatically translate equally at LFC.

Both players can be very good for us but they certainly aren't as good or proven that many here believe.

[KennyDaggers]

Has Origi really proven himself yet? He could easily come over and do no better than Balotelli. He isn't a consistent goalscorer from what I've seen and he isn't standing out in a rubbish Lille team so how is he going to help a poorly preforming PL team.

Nail on head, this lads getting better the more our strikers under perform.

I think it's a lot of pressure on him if he's expected to swing our season around in Jan, like I do Sturridge although at least he's already established here.

We should be looking for a good, proven loan with a view to buy IMO.

[kcbworth]

You should see Markovic videos last season at Benifica, he was very good. Yet, at LFC currently, he looks a out of touch.

Origi is a similar case, performance in another league team certainly doesn't  automatically translate equally at LFC.

Both players can be very good for us but they certainly aren't as good or proven that many here believe.

Slight correction...

[kcbworth]

Couldn't we just try and loan a decent striker for 6 months? Maybe one that is under performing or leaving at the end of the season and wants to try his luck here?

I imagine if we hadn't bought him already, Balotelli at Milan would have been a contender for fitting that description.

My point: bringing in new players can't be removely guaranteed to translate directly to great performances.

It would be nice for someone who can play the Sturridge role when Sturridge is injured, as we don't really have that atm (I thought Borini maybe, but we've never played him there so it's kind of irrelevant)

[BassTunedToRed]

It would be nice for someone who can play the Sturridge role when Sturridge is injured

I think that's exactly what Remy was going to do...

I'm in two minds over Origi. I don't think he'll add all that much if he joins in January but at least he'd be bedded in to the squad for the start of next season, and he couldn't do much worse than our other non-Sturridge striking options. But I do think there'll be a lot of pressure on him to perform immediately, which won't be helpful.

[McrRed]

Divock Origi #27 @DivockOrigi  ·  8 minutes ago

Hi guys,I just wanted to clarify after today's press reports that I will continue to give my all &100% for Lille over the coming months(1/2)

Divock Origi #27 @DivockOrigi  ·  8 minutes ago

and I am very much looking forward to joining Liverpool from next season.(2/2)

Erm, and the bit where he says he's not coming? [emoji56]

[Juliman]

I laugh at people who want Origi in January. He's not gonna come into a new team and score 15 goals to get us 4th. Its just unrealistic. We don't create enough chances for him to benefit on. Leave the lad alone until the summer, let him come to Melwood get settled, get to know the city all that good stuff and then put him on the pitch. He doesn't need any extra pressure and forwards are not our main concern. When we sign Firmino, Reus, and Schurle in January were gonna win the league  Keep calm lads.

I don't think it's guaranteed that he would hit the ground running, but your point is just as 'laughable' to be honest.

Who knows, he might score a hat trick in every game for the rest of the season, or score none. My point is, he would definitely be an improvement on what we have at the moment.

[child-in-time]

I don't think it's guaranteed that he would hit the ground running, but your point is just as 'laughable' to be honest.

Who knows, he might score a hat trick in every game for the rest of the season, or score none. My point is, he would definitely be an improvement on what we have at the moment.

How do you know Origi would definitely be an improvement on what we have? He's 19, raw and will need time (which I don't think he will get in reasonable amoutn if he comes in January) to adapt to the team and more importantly, to the league. Put Balotelli in Ligue 1 and he will definitely look better than he is with us. Same goes about Borini. Judging on a player's performances in a completely different (and of a lower quality) league is not a good measure wheter he is ready or not to make the next step earlier than agreed.

[elsewhere]

Imagine the comments here if we paid another 10 million for a player we already own and he didn't immediately make an impact (which is quite possible since he's only 19 and playing in a weaker league)

And then loaning him back to Lille next year while paying his salary

Seriously though, I always said Origi and Can will be our best signings. Origi will be a fan favorite here.

[Adeemo]

Ibe's apparently just scored another great goal for Derby.

[youll never walk alone it]

Ibe is 1 bright light on a grim horizon i feel.

[CraigDS]

Ibe is 1 bright light on a grim horizon i feel.

Even ignoring the melodrama in your post, we've plenty of great youth prospects of which Ibe is just one.

[Aceldama]

Ibe has scored more goals this season than any other Liverpool player. Looks like that loan is working really well for him.

edit: https://vine.co/v/OJL7ZdBzPK9

Brilliant hit

[ThePeetmix]

Ibe has scored more goals this season than any other Liverpool player. Looks like that loan is working really well for him.

We should be hoping to hell that Derby go up this season too. Him getting a chance to have regular games in the Prem would absolutely be perfect for him.