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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #160 on: February 4, 2017, 05:34:18 pm »
Feel sorry for him. He's hardly getting a pass and when he does its shit. How can he do anything if the useless midfield can't even get the ball to him.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #161 on: February 4, 2017, 05:34:25 pm »
Not sure what it is but he just doesn't fit anymore I don't think.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #162 on: February 4, 2017, 05:36:08 pm »
Not sure what it is but he just doesn't fit anymore I don't think.

Does anyone?
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #163 on: February 4, 2017, 05:36:49 pm »
Holy fuck, Firmino AGAIN stinks the place out....and people are scapegoating Daniel Sturridge?!
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #164 on: February 4, 2017, 05:38:49 pm »
Does anyone?

Well no, but Sturridge was by far and away our best player not long ago, even up to thr start of the season. If stuff wasn't happening, he'd help it on. Now, he looks like he can't do a thing. Not sure if it is our style of play or if he's lost something, but it's not working and sadly I don't think it will work anymore

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #165 on: February 4, 2017, 05:40:30 pm »
Holy fuck, Firmino AGAIN stinks the place out....and people are scapegoating Daniel Sturridge?!

Not scapegoating Sturridge. Just Firmino has had a bad month or so, Sturridge has had a bad season. Firmino you could say has to do better, where as with Sturridge there is quite clearly a problem that needs sorting out

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #166 on: February 4, 2017, 05:41:32 pm »
Thought Danny was alright today. He had a lot to do. The whole team did, though, and it was their own fault really. I'd like to see him start, as we look blunt. Danny isn't perfect, but he IS a striker.

I long for a bit of formation experimentation, with perhaps Origi and Danny up top. Firminho isn't really delivering. I don't know what the future holds for Sturridge but give him another go. Supersub isn't really the most workable role.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #167 on: February 4, 2017, 05:47:16 pm »
Holy fuck, Firmino AGAIN stinks the place out....and people are scapegoating Daniel Sturridge?!

This...it's ridiculous.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #168 on: February 4, 2017, 05:49:08 pm »
Holy fuck, Firmino AGAIN stinks the place out....and people are scapegoating Daniel Sturridge?!

Agree. Firmino and Can have been shit for weeks yet play every match. What the fuck is Sturridge supposed to do in 20 mins every game.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #169 on: February 4, 2017, 05:53:05 pm »
Has the sporadic flash of looking sharp,  made their keeper work today,  more than the others did like

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #170 on: February 4, 2017, 05:53:45 pm »
Not scapegoating Sturridge. Just Firmino has had a bad month or so, Sturridge has had a bad season. Firmino you could say has to do better, where as with Sturridge there is quite clearly a problem that needs sorting out

Firmino has scored in six games this season, out of twenty eight. Six.

But it's alright now, he's bound to get back to his average scoring rate when he's got Coutinho and Mane playing as opposed to his diabolical scoring rate when they're not. Stick Messi and Suarez up top with him and he might even have a scoring rate to put Robert Snodgrass and Shane Long to shame!!
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #171 on: February 4, 2017, 06:01:12 pm »
Time to give him a few starts and see what he can do. Hasn't looked impressive in recent months but hasn't really had a run of games either, he was a really special player for us once lets see if he can recapture some of that magic, because we're in dire need of it right now.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #172 on: February 4, 2017, 06:03:27 pm »
Holy fuck, Firmino AGAIN stinks the place out....and people are scapegoating Daniel Sturridge?!

Sturridge thread talk about Sturridge, why would you talk about Firmino?

If you want to talk about Firmino start a Firmino thread...

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #173 on: February 4, 2017, 06:08:22 pm »
Sturridge thread talk about Sturridge, why would you talk about Firmino?

If you want to talk about Firmino start a Firmino thread...

he's asked a valid question. not sure why people are talking about Sturridge today. Came on.... didn't get a pass in 20 minutes... got a shot on target.... dunno what he was supposed to but people are still jumping in

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #174 on: February 4, 2017, 06:24:30 pm »
Did he have more then two touches today?

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #175 on: February 4, 2017, 06:33:31 pm »
Did he have more then two touches today?

he had 8.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #176 on: February 4, 2017, 06:41:51 pm »
Was discussing him with my mate today, when he said "Lukaku is now better than Sturridge". I found it hard to argue otherwise.

(Not suggesting XYZ is better than him, just a couple of years ago I'd have laughed at that, but now I'm not so sure)

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #177 on: February 4, 2017, 06:43:40 pm »
Firmino has scored in six games this season, out of twenty eight. Six.

But it's alright now, he's bound to get back to his average scoring rate when he's got Coutinho and Mane playing as opposed to his diabolical scoring rate when they're not. Stick Messi and Suarez up top with him and he might even have a scoring rate to put Robert Snodgrass and Shane Long to shame!!

Mane has scored in 8 games, Couthinio in 5, Lallana in 6. All play a similar role to Firmino, all largely so far said to have had good seasons. Firmino is also our joint top scorer. Earlier on in the season we were banging in goals from all over the pitch, and everyone was contributing. Now we're playing poorly and everyone is contributing to that. What reason have you got to single out Firmino? When we played well, he has, when we've played shit, he has too.

Anyway this is a Sturridge thread, and as I said, it just doesn't look right to me. Whenever he's started this season he's looked blunt, and now when he comes on, one can say he's not getting the options, which is true, but to be fair he's not pulling people away or making the space or runs either.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #178 on: February 4, 2017, 06:55:35 pm »
Was discussing him with my mate today, when he said "Lukaku is now better than Sturridge". I found it hard to argue otherwise.

(Not suggesting XYZ is better than him, just a couple of years ago I'd have laughed at that, but now I'm not so sure)

It all depends how you compare them, Sturridge of 13/14 beats Lukaku of any season (not by much)

Lukaku has consistently scored hatfuls of goals every season in the prem from West brom to Everton when he's played.

Right now you'd take Lukaku over Sturridge.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #179 on: February 4, 2017, 06:56:40 pm »
There's absolutely no pressure on Firmino to play well, and no incentive for Sturridge in terms of forcing his way into the starting line up. That's my issue.

Sturridge has had a dreadful season, no arguments. But he's been massively hampered by the fact he's been shoehorned here there and everywhere, rarely with the first choice eleven. He was excellent against Leicester without scoring, and then back out. He was our best player against Sunderland, and then back out. In the meantime, Firmino has been terrible for well over a month. I'm sure he's tired, so take him out for a few games. It's literally not going to hurt us anymore than this is at the moment is it?
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #180 on: February 6, 2017, 04:45:53 am »
Those saying we should keep him as a bench backup or a super sub need to consider wages.  His pay is what you'd expect to pay a top class striker and his utility doesn't match it..In that circumstance we're better served taking a fee and using it to buy a replacement than alter his squad role. 

The squad striker role is best played by young players on relatively low wages like Origi or ideally Ings, both good on their day but likely to improve over time.  Sturridge is only going downhill from here.

I think we are, and should be, well off enough to have Sturridge as a sub. We are certainly not Chelsea, bur it is inexcusable that we put out kids for our bench when they pulled out Pedro and Fabregas for subs.

It is in fact the perfect place for a striker who is going downhill, in order for him to keep a viable place in a top side. Otherwise, I can't see him playing for another top club ever again. Then you have to consider that we have to pay a fee for whoever will come in for us to sit on the bench (that ostensibly has Daniel's pedigree), which is not inconsiderable in this market. Unless if we can pull off another Bosman like Ings, then it won't make sense.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #181 on: February 6, 2017, 06:17:14 am »
Our problems almost always stem from bad recruitment: players, scouts, everyone. If Klopp really doesn't like Sturridge at all, and firmino obviously isn't a top class striker, and Ings had been returning from a serious long term injury, and Origi was obviously still pretty raw, then why were no changes made to our striker options?

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #182 on: February 6, 2017, 07:52:31 am »
Well, all of our centre forwards are struggling by my book. Which makes me think this is maybe a bit more systemic than purely down to individuals.

This is the point people are spectacularly missing.  Yeah Sturridge isn't the player he was, but the system we play doesn't suit the genuine strikers we have, I mean how many chances do you see falling to either Sturridge or Origi?

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #183 on: February 6, 2017, 08:17:48 am »
This is the point people are spectacularly missing.  Yeah Sturridge isn't the player he was, but the system we play doesn't suit the genuine strikers we have, I mean how many chances do you see falling to either Sturridge or Origi?

I disagree. Just watch how Costa and Kane have been occupying central defenders recently. They keep them honest, they show for the ball and they are strong in competing. Firmino and especially Sturridge havent done that and you need that against packed defences.

Even at his best Sturridge hasnt convinced as a lone front man. Its not his game and he doesnt show the discipline to play there.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #184 on: February 6, 2017, 08:24:13 am »
I disagree. Just watch how Costa and Kane have been occupying central defenders recently. They keep them honest, they show for the ball and they are strong in competing. Firmino and especially Sturridge havent done that and you need that against packed defences.

Even at his best Sturridge hasnt convinced as a lone front man. Its not his game and he doesnt show the discipline to play there.

They're not on the same level as Costa and Kane, however those teams are set up to play to the strikers strengths.
You're right Sturridge has never been a lonely front man, he's best in a 2, but we don't play that way.  As for Firmino, he has proved he can play a role on his own through the middle, plenty of times in the past, just think he's been in dreadful form for at least 2 months and is lucky to be starting games.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #185 on: February 9, 2017, 01:40:51 am »
Holy fuck, Firmino AGAIN stinks the place out....and people are scapegoating Daniel Sturridge?!
Since 2009, Firmino has played 230 games, Sturridge 156.

Firmino has not been at his best recently, but at least he is available for selection.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #186 on: February 9, 2017, 01:53:23 am »
Since 2009, Firmino has played 230 games, Sturridge 156.

Firmino has not been at his best recently, but at least he is available for selection.

They're  both currently available for selection. Troy Deeney has been available for more games than either since 2009. There literally couldn't be a worse reason for favouring one over the other.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #187 on: February 9, 2017, 09:32:51 am »
They're  both currently available for selection. Troy Deeney has been available for more games than either since 2009. There literally couldn't be a worse reason for favouring one over the other.
Not true.

Sturridge's availability has always been, and continues to be, central to the debate.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #188 on: February 9, 2017, 09:33:11 am »
Since 2009, Firmino has played 230 games, Sturridge 156.

Firmino has not been at his best recently
, but at least he is available for selection.

Been about 2 months hasn't it?

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #189 on: February 9, 2017, 10:04:10 am »
Not true.

Sturridge's availability has always been, and continues to be, central to the debate.

And he's currently available, as he has been most of the season. The reason he doesn't play is because Klopp doesn't rate him.  Availability has zero to do with him not starting against Spurs, which I believe will be the case.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #190 on: February 9, 2017, 11:12:53 am »
And he's currently available, as he has been most of the season. The reason he doesn't play is because Klopp doesn't rate him.  Availability has zero to do with him not starting against Spurs, which I believe will be the case.
And maybe him being available has something to do with not playing much.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #191 on: February 9, 2017, 11:40:18 am »
Not true.

Sturridge's availability has always been, and continues to be, central to the debate.

I doubt it.  Matip has probably had as many injuries, but will start when available. I don't think the threat of injuries are the reason for him not playing anymore. To be fair even if you believe he is past it, I don't think the sturridge of 2014, would work that well in a klopp system

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #192 on: February 9, 2017, 12:47:39 pm »
And he's currently available, as he has been most of the season. The reason he doesn't play is because Klopp doesn't rate him.  Availability has zero to do with him not starting against Spurs, which I believe will be the case.
It's a circular argument isn't it?

I do not think that Klopp does not rate him. I do think that he feels he cannot rely upon him to be available for a protracted period of time. That question over his mentality has hung over him for his career.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #193 on: February 9, 2017, 04:59:53 pm »
I doubt it.  Matip has probably had as many injuries, but will start when available. I don't think the threat of injuries are the reason for him not playing anymore. To be fair even if you believe he is past it, I don't think the sturridge of 2014, would work that well in a klopp system

Klopp picks whatever he believes are the best players available to him. And when all his players are available Firmino starts. Its not rocket science.
The only debate currently among fans is whether starting Sturridge might lead to us scoring more goals. Because this year scoring goals has become a problem, as much as people cling onto our top scorer status. Although it's probably a moot debate as I don't think Sturridge will start another game for us unless others get injured.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #194 on: February 10, 2017, 06:48:49 am »
So this lad will be slagged off til he scores
And if he gets injured again that's it
But if he continues scoring he's loved
But he needs to play many matches first
He hasn't for a bit
So begin loop again

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #195 on: February 10, 2017, 08:27:50 am »
So this lad will be slagged off til he scores
And if he gets injured again that's it
But if he continues scoring he's loved
But he needs to play many matches first
He hasn't for a bit
So begin loop again


That chant doesn't rhyme.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #196 on: February 10, 2017, 10:03:30 am »

That chant doesn't rhyme.

even if sturridge scores and plays well, people will still criticise
"the team overall performance fell", they will surmise

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #197 on: February 10, 2017, 11:53:57 am »
Dan, Dan, he's our boy
Unless he has an injuroy!

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #198 on: February 10, 2017, 10:05:46 pm »
Feel sorry for him. He's hardly getting a pass and when he does its shit. How can he do anything if the useless midfield can't even get the ball to him.

Oh, cry me a river. The lads had since 2014 to take a chance and stake a claim to be our talisman. We all wanted him to be .... it didn't happen. Maybe it was because of injury... maybe it was because Suarez was such a good partner? Who knows, who cares.

He's the highest earning player as 2nd or 3rd sub.

Time to stop romanticising the player that simply does not exist ... today in 2017 when we are struggling.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #199 on: February 15, 2017, 03:30:35 am »
I hope he gets another chance. I mean you look at Aguero who is out of form and you wouldn't write him off, his pace might've left him but surely his talent hasn't.
Then in the midddle out pops a smiling glen johnson pulling up his jersey to reveal a t-shirt of suarez with a text saying. "OUR SUAREZ IS A FRIEND TO ALL COLOURS!"