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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #120 on: February 3, 2017, 02:01:32 am »
Yeah, now he is fit he really needs an extended run in the side, both to gain his sharpness back and show he can remain fit.

Unfortunately it doesn't appear Klopp intends to give him that, which to me would indicate he's probably not going to remain in a red shirt beyond this season.
An extended run where ? Firminio cant play as effective out wide so essentially ur looking at him to be dropped .
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #121 on: February 3, 2017, 04:39:30 am »
Nah...










Supposedly that Sevilla one doesn't even count going by Cheifs definition.

I think you literally have to dribble the ball from your own half and score for him to count it.

That stoke goal where he juggled the ball a billion times on his head stands out in my memory too.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #122 on: February 3, 2017, 05:49:36 am »
What must be taken into account, and I wondered this often, is the effect of having El LoonMeister next to him. Someone who could create space at will and occupy 10 men at once.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #123 on: February 3, 2017, 09:13:55 am »
What must be taken into account, and I wondered this often, is the effect of having El LoonMeister next to him. Someone who could create space at will and occupy 10 men at once.

His best season, unsurprisingly was with Suarez next to him.  Having said that he still produced the goods without him also

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Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #124 on: February 3, 2017, 02:19:52 pm »
No doubt about his ability and he is definitely our best finisher but its clear his liverpool career will be over next summer.. He will get more playing time at another club and his wages will be gone to player who fit the manager style better. Klopp coaching style is all about patterns while Sturridge need freedom to be at his best also he doesn't provide the intensity Klopp wants .. 



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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #125 on: February 3, 2017, 04:54:34 pm »
Certainly fear for his Liverpool career at the moment. Such a shame because injury free, he had it all.
By now the injuries must have had an effect on him physically and mentally.
Just wonder where it goes from here with him and will it affect his England chances

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #126 on: February 3, 2017, 05:16:27 pm »
An extended run where ? Firminio cant play as effective out wide so essentially ur looking at him to be dropped .

I remember the Leicester home game where I believe it was right after the international break and Coutinho had played the 70-80 minutes or so for Brazil and Firmino played few minutes off the bench. In that game, we started off with Firmino on the left, Sturridge central and Mane on the right. The midfield was the same as in most games (Hendo, Lallana, Gini).

That was one of the few games where it all clicked and Sturridge looked like an intergral part of our attack despite not scoring. Firmino scored twice despite playing out wide. Essentially what's keeping Sturridge out of the team is that the goals are coming from both our wide players (Coutinho/5 goals, Mane/9 goals ) as well as from the midfield (Lallana/7 goals, Gini 3 goals). Firmino has 8 goals so far in about 22 games. For a striker, that's a below par return. But obviously Firmino makes for it by creating chances and the pressing he does up front. However, if one or two out of Coutinho, Mane, Lallana didn't score as much this season. We would not be where we are at this stage. Then we need a 20 goal per season striker who has a much better conversion rate than what Firmino has at the moment.

For next season, in addition to getting a wide player, it is equally important for either of the 3 to happen.

1) Get a 20 goals per season striker who stays fit.
2) Get Sturridge involved more in the team if he is staying so he can be our 20 goal striker ( and hope he stays fit)
3) Firmino improves his finishing. (if point 1 or point 2 happens, hope he gets more comfortable playing out wide).
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #127 on: February 3, 2017, 05:26:41 pm »
You just know if we 'gave up on him' and cashed in, he would start knocking in goals for fun at his new club.

I'm sorry, but that is hogwash.

This perception of Sturridge being an exceptional striker never really gathered steam where actual numbers are concerned. He's had one great season in almost 8 years of first division football. I am always astounded by people who claim that he is world class. No player has lived on laurels better than him. He's an exceptional finisher, always was, but was never, ever consistent. Ever. Even before his recent injuries which most of you claim took away his pace, he never notched up the seasonal numbers (a direct reference for consistency of any top striker), except for the 13-14 season.

Its time we accept that 13-14 was an abberation, rather than the norm. You all expected too much of him. Simple as.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #128 on: February 3, 2017, 05:27:45 pm »
we need a 20 goal per season striker who has a much better conversion rate than what Firmino has at the moment.

For next season, in addition to getting a wide player, it is equally important for either of the 3 to happen.

1) Get a 20 goals per season striker who stays fit.
2) Get Sturridge involved more in the team if he is staying so he can be our 20 goal striker ( and hope he stays fit)
3) Firmino improves his finishing. (if point 1 or point 2 happens, hope he gets more comfortable playing out wide).

What's the obsession with getting a "20 goals a season striker"?

We are the top scorers in the league without having one.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #129 on: February 3, 2017, 05:48:11 pm »
This perception of Sturridge being an exceptional striker never really gathered steam where actual numbers are concerned. He's had one great season in almost 8 years of first division football.

No, this is hogwash. Sturridge scored 50 goals in his first 84 games for us. Just because injuries prevented him from putting it together consistently across a season doesn't stop Sturridge being an exceptional striker who put up exceptional numbers. Last season he had the second best minutes per goal ratio in the league behind Aguero.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #130 on: February 3, 2017, 05:48:38 pm »
What's the obsession with getting a "20 goals a season striker"?

We are the top scorers in the league without having one.

Yes we are. But wouldn't it be great if we had a 20 goal a season striker along with the other goal scorers we have ? Because, you know, relying on 3-4 players to score consistently is not sustainable. All great league winning teams have 1-2 great goalscorers. Even Klopp always liked having a talisman. First Gotze, then Lewandowski, then Reus/Aubameyang.


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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #131 on: February 3, 2017, 05:52:46 pm »
No, this is hogwash. Sturridge scored 50 goals in his first 84 games for us. Just because injuries prevented him from putting it together consistently across a season doesn't stop Sturridge being an exceptional striker who put up exceptional numbers. Last season he had the second best minutes per goal ratio in the league behind Aguero.

Yes yes, I've heard the goals / minute arguments a gazillion times. Never going to translate into him notching up seasonal, consistent numbers are they ? You know, the stats essential to prove consistency over a season ? The only stat that matters is that he has had 1 season of 20+ league goals in his career. He is 27. Shocking for a world class striker.

No excuses like 1) He was forced to play on the right, 2) He was injured, 3) He didn't feel happy at the club; can cover it up. We give him too mch leeway which, except for 1 season he has never deserved.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #132 on: February 3, 2017, 06:03:40 pm »
What's the obsession with getting a "20 goals a season striker"?

We are the top scorers in the league without having one.

Typically teams that win the league will have one of the best goalscorers too. When we don't have that, there's room for improvement. The way I see it, we need two players who score 30+ together. Mane and Firmino are on 17 right now, so if they keep performing like that we will come close.

Sturridge could be that player, but he needs to show it. He can't live on past glories anymore.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #133 on: February 3, 2017, 06:09:21 pm »
What's the obsession with getting a "20 goals a season striker"?

We are the top scorers in the league without having one.

Because this kind of player doesn't miss many chances unlike Firmino who missed crucial chances against Southampton, Man Utd , Chelsea and others ..

Its not a coincidence when we had 20+ strikers we were very close to wining the league..

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #134 on: February 3, 2017, 06:14:34 pm »
God just saw the Europa final goal again fro the post above. Unreal how easy he makes that look.

Really wish he could get back to 13/14 level again, clearly has the ability. Just a god like striker when he's at his best.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #135 on: February 3, 2017, 06:15:30 pm »
Its not a coincidence when we had 20+ strikers we were very close to wining the league..
Our attack is not why we won't be winning the title this season.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #136 on: February 3, 2017, 06:18:13 pm »
What's the obsession with getting a "20 goals a season striker"?

We are the top scorers in the league without having one.

1. Maybe because a 20 goal scorer will be better at converting the chances he gets compared to our current front 3? This I feel is the most important thing.

2. Most PL champions of the last 20 years have a player who did score 20 plus or close to 20 goals.

We need both next season to have the best chance of winning the title. The wide players and midfield continuing their goal scoring form as well whoever is playing at the striker position get close to 20 goals.

Either that or get better defenders/GK.. Spurs/Chelsea have scored less but at the same time they have conceded less goals. That is a definitely a harder fix and it will at least take 2 or maybe 3 players to be bought in place of (Mignolet, Lovren, Milner). But that's a topic for a different thread.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #137 on: February 3, 2017, 07:09:41 pm »
Because this kind of player doesn't miss many chances unlike Firmino who missed crucial chances against Southampton, Man Utd , Chelsea and others ..

I just don't agree.

Our front three were ripping the league apart.  They haven't played for ages together, missing all the above games.

Having the right depth to cover them is the issue, not necessarily having a 20 goal scorer.

If we can get one, who compliments the rest of our attack, then great.  But it isn't essential IMO. when we're top scorer, our front three are brilliant when together and we have other issues.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #138 on: February 3, 2017, 07:58:39 pm »
I just don't agree.

Our front three were ripping the league apart.  They haven't played for ages together, missing all the above games.

Having the right depth to cover them is the issue, not necessarily having a 20 goal scorer.

If we can get one, who compliments the rest of our attack, then great.  But it isn't essential IMO. when we're top scorer, our front three are brilliant when together and we have other issues.

They did but you cant not maintain the same performance every game even if you had a good depth, it's impossible. You will have bad games and then its a top goalkeeper or top finisher who makes the difference.. If we had both we would be top of the league even with our current depth and the injuries we had ..

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #139 on: February 3, 2017, 08:38:25 pm »
Shit dance, no pace.

Seriously though, I think when everyone's fit we're a better side with him on the bench.
A player with his talent should play in a team built around them. Somewhere like West Ham maybe.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #140 on: February 3, 2017, 08:46:09 pm »
They did but you cant not maintain the same performance every game even if you had a good depth, it's impossible. You will have bad games and then its a top goalkeeper or top finisher who makes the difference.. If we had both we would be top of the league even with our current depth and the injuries we had ..

Top strikers have bad games as well.

The great thing about the front three & Lallana, is it was incredibly hard to stop all of them.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #141 on: February 3, 2017, 10:44:37 pm »
Top strikers have bad games as well.

The great thing about the front three & Lallana, is it was incredibly hard to stop all of them.

Ideally you want a specialist marksman thru the middle, IMO

As in the big games when it is all on the line, you may get 1 chance and a top striker can make all the difference, that is why the transfer record is usually set by strikers.

the teamwork from our front 3 can be mesmeric, and having a true number 9 would threaten that, so maybe our highs won't be as high, but our lows won't be as low also,  but I think we would be more consistent

You gain more than you lose by having a proper marksman

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #142 on: February 3, 2017, 10:52:44 pm »
I can't decide where I sit on Sturridge it's odd.

Sometimes when I see him, I think he's brilliant, good old Daniel, and other times he just looks absolutely fucked. As in can barely run fucked.

I don't think the club will be pushing him out of the door in the summer, I think we'd happily keep him as 2nd/3rd choice. He seems like a nice guy, I honestly don't see us actively trying to fuck him off.

It's easy to say he'll want to leave to play week in week out but realistically where could he go? This situation reminds me of when we had Crouch and he left for first team football and later in his life he knew he'd made a mistake.

He's getting paid a fortune, him and his family are settled at the club - he should know, or be told he cant play 38 league games a season and we're willing to accept that. I think if he wants to leave his best option will be someone like Stoke or West Ham & I can't understand why you'd rather play 25-30 times a season for that level of club, on less wages than 15-20 times for Liverpool on a massive wage.

I think I'd like him to stay. On his day he's still brilliant. He's worth keeping for that one day. Like someone on TAW said, when you see his name on the teamsheet it always makes you smile. But then when you watch him try and sprint. Ah fuck sake. Bunch of contradictions.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #143 on: February 3, 2017, 10:54:35 pm »
You gain more than you lose by having a proper marksman
And when he gets injured we'll be all then wishing we were sharing goals again instead of building our attack around one player as we did with Torres.

And btw almost all strikers out there miss big chances for their teams.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #144 on: February 3, 2017, 10:56:02 pm »
Yes yes, I've heard the goals / minute arguments a gazillion times. Never going to translate into him notching up seasonal, consistent numbers are they ? You know, the stats essential to prove consistency over a season ? The only stat that matters is that he has had 1 season of 20+ league goals in his career. He is 27. Shocking for a world class striker.

No excuses like 1) He was forced to play on the right, 2) He was injured, 3) He didn't feel happy at the club; can cover it up. We give him too mch leeway which, except for 1 season he has never deserved.

Agree he might have had a chance to be great but injuries wrecked it. Now his career trajectory looks a lot like Adebayor. Think he has one more good season left as the focal point of an attack, not as one point in a perptually moving attacking trident. If he wants to stay on the bench, that's fine, if he wants to play more he should move. Overall, still good value for the money we have paid.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #145 on: February 4, 2017, 01:35:30 am »
I can't decide where I sit on Sturridge it's odd.

Sometimes when I see him, I think he's brilliant, good old Daniel, and other times he just looks absolutely fucked. As in can barely run fucked.

I don't think the club will be pushing him out of the door in the summer, I think we'd happily keep him as 2nd/3rd choice. He seems like a nice guy, I honestly don't see us actively trying to fuck him off.

It's easy to say he'll want to leave to play week in week out but realistically where could he go? This situation reminds me of when we had Crouch and he left for first team football and later in his life he knew he'd made a mistake.

He's getting paid a fortune, him and his family are settled at the club - he should know, or be told he cant play 38 league games a season and we're willing to accept that. I think if he wants to leave his best option will be someone like Stoke or West Ham & I can't understand why you'd rather play 25-30 times a season for that level of club, on less wages than 15-20 times for Liverpool on a massive wage.

I think I'd like him to stay. On his day he's still brilliant. He's worth keeping for that one day. Like someone on TAW said, when you see his name on the teamsheet it always makes you smile. But then when you watch him try and sprint. Ah fuck sake. Bunch of contradictions.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #146 on: February 4, 2017, 06:17:46 am »
The recent run of games without a goal is the worry. How do nim and Origi feature when we only have league games left. Key is to get CL football and then decide how he fits into the squad. I agree with the poster above about how the Leicester match was his most impressive league match this season.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #147 on: February 4, 2017, 07:12:13 am »
I think it would work out wonderfully well if he accepts the role of super sub like Dzeko did for a couple of years. That way he can stay fit, give a bit more intensity near the end of the game, and he's certainly capable of impacting a game with minimal time. It just seems like every time I've seen him start he seems to be lethargic and lacking that bite, possibly because he's mentally draining himself thinking he's gotta last the distance.


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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #148 on: February 4, 2017, 08:26:47 am »
Any player will struggle finding their feet being in and out of the side. Look at Matip and Coutinho after long absences out of the team, their recent performances have reflected that.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #149 on: February 4, 2017, 08:27:12 am »
Those saying we should keep him as a bench backup or a super sub need to consider wages.  His pay is what you'd expect to pay a top class striker and his utility doesn't match it..In that circumstance we're better served taking a fee and using it to buy a replacement than alter his squad role. 

The squad striker role is best played by young players on relatively low wages like Origi or ideally Ings, both good on their day but likely to improve over time.  Sturridge is only going downhill from here.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #150 on: February 4, 2017, 09:03:59 am »
Those saying we should keep him as a bench backup or a super sub need to consider wages.  His pay is what you'd expect to pay a top class striker and his utility doesn't match it..In that circumstance we're better served taking a fee and using it to buy a replacement than alter his squad role. 

The squad striker role is best played by young players on relatively low wages like Origi or ideally Ings, both good on their day but likely to improve over time.  Sturridge is only going downhill from here.

At least with Origi, he has that potential to get stronger, more clinical, fitter. He needs games, like anyone needs games, to shake off the rustiness but that isn't off the back of all the injuries Sturridge has endured. And his wages, I would expect, are a lot less than Daniel's. So his profile within the squad is proportionate to the cost of keeping him here.

I have been saying it for a long time, Sturridge will not be a Liverpool player next season. It is a shame for him, but he just isn't able to contribute what is required of a Klopp striker in terms of his overall play - running, pressing, movement. All the stuff about 'Sturridge would've buried that' is totally invalid because the team does not play as well, nor create the same volume or quality of chances, with him in it. He just cannot put himself about enough and that constitutes a cog missing in the machine.

Put him in a 5 a side and he's probably the best player we have.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #151 on: February 4, 2017, 09:28:13 am »
And when he gets injured we'll be all then wishing we were sharing goals again instead of building our attack around one player as we did with Torres.

And btw almost all strikers out there miss big chances for their teams.

We never had any adequate back up for Nando, that was the problem.

We need a more consistent main striker if we're to move to another level.
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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #152 on: February 4, 2017, 11:19:30 am »
And when he gets injured we'll be all then wishing we were sharing goals again instead of building our attack around one player as we did with Torres.

I’m surprised people are still clinging to the corpse of this argument, maybe it is a reflex response , made out of habit, please let this argument rest in peace

The way our team is set up makes the situation WORSE, we are MORE vulnerable to injury disturbing us, than when we were relying on 1 player to get goals

As we now know if anyone of Coutinho, Lallana or Mane is out or potentially even firmino, we are stuffed. Coz we rely more on teamplay to a greater extent, rather than an individual’s predatory instinct.

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And btw almost all strikers out there miss big chances for their teams.

Of course you are less likely to miss those big chances if you are an expert finisher, who scores at a rate of 1 in 2

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #153 on: February 4, 2017, 01:07:54 pm »
I’m surprised people are still clinging to the corpse of this argument, maybe it is a reflex response , made out of habit, please let this argument rest in peace
First of all finding a striker to score 20 goals is one of the hardest things for us to do. Every single big club in the world is looking for that striker, we are at the end of the queue and our only chance is bringing a young up and coming striker and potentially developing him to that level. If Torres and Suarez were young and available again competition for them would have been much greater than it was back in the day when we bought them while being an established CL club or just one year after that.

It's all and well wishing for us to get a player like that but atm for us it's a holy grail and people should be more realistic.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #154 on: February 4, 2017, 02:17:53 pm »
First of all finding a striker to score 20 goals is one of the hardest things for us to do.

WTF ? No it is not. It is a question of being in CL and paying the right money. I'm certain Klopp and FSG will have both things covered next summer.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #155 on: February 4, 2017, 02:22:23 pm »
WTF ? No it is not. It is a question of being in CL and paying the right money. I'm certain Klopp and FSG will have both things covered next summer.


Yes it is!

A striker scoring 20 goals in the league is pretty hard to find.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #156 on: February 4, 2017, 04:58:41 pm »
Lost count of the amount of games he's come on in now - and don't next to nothing. Lost faith in him, and I was a huge Sturridge backer

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #157 on: February 4, 2017, 05:14:15 pm »
Well, all of our centre forwards are struggling by my book. Which makes me think this is maybe a bit more systemic than purely down to individuals.

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #158 on: February 4, 2017, 05:15:02 pm »
Sums a lot of the squad up, he's got no heart for the fight, he hasn't given a centre half a game for a long time

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Re: Daniel Sturridge in decline: Speed statistics highlight the problem
« Reply #159 on: February 4, 2017, 05:33:04 pm »
They need to send him to jamaica for a week like they did to Sterling. Hell come back "refreshed". The luxury these players have and can't give an ounce back is incredible.
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