Author Topic: Results Comparison 2016/17 (Read 31871 times)

JP-65 · « **Reply #120 on:** January 1, 2017, 10:24:45 pm »

Halfway season to go. interesting to look at 1H vs 2H history, really says we are the only team that has a chance to beat Chelsea to 1st.

helmboy_nige · « **Reply #121 on:** January 1, 2017, 10:36:57 pm »

After 19 games we now have more points than at any other halfway point in a 20 team league.

cptrios · « **Reply #122 on:** January 2, 2017, 04:25:51 am »

Quote from: helmboy_nige on January 1, 2017, 10:36:57 pm

After 19 games we now have more points than at any other halfway point in a 20 team league.

What astonishes me is that we only need to take 18 points from the second half of the season to better last year's total. Really an amazing improvement, especially considering our net spend.

PoetryInMotion · « **Reply #123 on:** January 2, 2017, 07:55:00 am »

Quote from: cptrios on January 2, 2017, 04:25:51 am

What astonishes me is that we only need to take 18 points from the second half of the season to better last year's total. Really an amazing improvement, especially considering our net spend.

Also says a lot about our last season, when we really under-performed. This is why Klopp said he believes in training and improvement than making a whole lot of ins and outs as you would believe was necessary from quite a few of those who thought the likes of Lallana, Lovren, Henderson, or even Firmino weren't good enough and we couldn't do without a lot of transfers. Klopp believed in our squad from day 1 and brought in a few interesting players to paper over little cracks in our game that already had a foundation built in, but without much co-ordination.

We only lost a lot of points towards the end of the season, when we decided Europa was our way to Champions League, that has to be factored in as well.

This season's our best ever points tally in the PL era for the first half of the season and third best of any half season (Second halves of 2013-14 and 2008-09 were better).

JP-65 · « **Reply #124 on:** January 3, 2017, 11:26:53 pm »

From twitter

plasterered · « **Reply #125 on:** January 3, 2017, 11:45:15 pm »

After 19 games or new yr turn. What is the highest points tally of all premier league seasons ?

I am wondering how mental the currant Chelsea 49 points is. Is it the most? They were mental in 04/05 too from memory

Cheers in advance

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Cerebro_Kop121 · « **Reply #126 on:** January 4, 2017, 04:01:23 am »

Quote from: plasterered on January 3, 2017, 11:45:15 pm

After 19 games or new yr turn. What is the highest points tally of all premier league seasons ?

I am wondering how mental the currant Chelsea 49 points is. Is it the most? They were mental in 04/05 too from memory

Cheers in advance

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No. the most point after mid season was Chelsea in 2005/06 ... 52 pts

plasterered · « **Reply #127 on:** January 4, 2017, 09:21:06 am »

Quote from: Cerebro_Kop121 on January 4, 2017, 04:01:23 am

No. the most point after mid season was Chelsea in 2005/06 ... 52 pts

Thats some haul. A possible season total of over 100 points but still total points tells us they will drop points as do all thw other seasons.
Long way to go and they can be caught up.
Hopefully it starts tonight at spurs

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Toshack_Keegan_One_Nil · « **Reply #128 on:** January 4, 2017, 10:10:29 am »

This should put the disappointment of drawing at Sunderland in perspective for the doom and gloom merchants - only four times in our history have we had more points (based on 3 for a win) after 20 games! Courtesy of @cchappas on Twitter.

JP-65 · « **Reply #129 on:** January 4, 2017, 10:51:11 pm »

Quote from: Cerebro_Kop121 on January 4, 2017, 04:01:23 am

No. the most point after mid season was Chelsea in 2005/06 ... 52 pts

Yup, for PL, Chelsea 52 in 05/06 is the highest..

Next highest for half a season is 49 points: United 2H 08/09, Chelsea 2h 04/05, and Chelsea 1H this season.

48: Liverpool 2H 13/14

47: Chelsea 2H 07/08 & United 1H 06/07

46: Chelsea 1H 04/05; United 1H 12/13; United 1H03/04

Record PL point total was Chelsea 04/05 @ 95 when they went 46/49 1H/2H

Arsenal unbeaten season in 03/04 they went 45/45.

There have been only 6 PL seasons with 90 points or better: Chelsea 04/05 @ 95; United 93/94 @ 92; Chelsea 05/06 @ 91; United 99/00 @ 91; United 08/09 @ 90; Arsenal 03/04 @ 90

When you look at my season-to-go data above, these data points really point out how difficult it will be for anyone to overhaul Chelsea, unless Chelsea have a serious wobble in the second half of this season.

JP-65 · « **Reply #130 on:** January 4, 2017, 11:09:25 pm »

Big Bamber · « **Reply #131 on:** January 5, 2017, 12:36:37 am »

Quote from: JP-65 on January 4, 2017, 11:09:25 pm

Hmmm

Hmmm is right. Though it must be positive if you syphon off the immediate disappointment at Sunderland.

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #132 on:** January 5, 2017, 03:52:59 pm »

Quote from: Big Bamber on January 5, 2017, 12:36:37 am

Hmmm is right. Though it must be positive if you syphon off the immediate disappointment at Sunderland.

Definitely, and most probably would have taken 10 points from those four games beforehand. Damn near perfection, ruined by a referee fuck up.

JP-65 · « **Reply #133 on:** January 5, 2017, 07:48:49 pm »

Top 6 table

bravarado7 · « **Reply #134 on:** January 5, 2017, 08:10:57 pm »

Quote from: JP-65 on January 4, 2017, 11:09:25 pm

That is a fantastic return considering what we were up against in those fixtures. Everton and City - both highly intense games - and the 44 hour break between City and Sunderland game. Here , is what others faced during this period.

Spurs - Burney, Southampton, Watford , Chelsea
Chelsea - Crystal palace, Burnemouth, Stoke , Spurs
United - West Brom, Boro, Sunderland, West Ham
City - Arsenal, Hull, Liverpool , Burnley
Arsenal - City, West Brom, Crystal Palace , Bournemouth

Apart from us and City, all have had relatively easy sailing. End of the season, we might gain more points from this set of fixtures than what we have now.

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #135 on:** January 5, 2017, 08:40:14 pm »

And 4/5 of those were aways.

JP-65 · « **Reply #136 on:** January 9, 2017, 02:17:01 pm »

Updated season to go

JP-65 · « **Reply #137 on:** January 15, 2017, 06:14:31 pm »

Updated

JP-65 · « **Reply #138 on:** January 15, 2017, 06:16:07 pm »

Season-to-go, Chelsea will have to blow up for anyone to catch them

JP-65 · « **Reply #139 on:** January 25, 2017, 05:59:03 pm »

Updated season to go: United have to go perfect to match my estimated title winning total of 89....aka they're officially out of it

JP-65 · « **Reply #140 on:** February 1, 2017, 01:39:05 pm »

Interesting chart from Christoffer Johansen on twitter

Suareznumber7 · « **Reply #141 on:** February 1, 2017, 01:40:48 pm »

Quote from: JP-65 on February 1, 2017, 01:39:05 pm

Interesting chart from Christoffer Johansen on twitter

That's kind of common sense isn't it? Of course we're going to play better and have a better chance of winning the more rested we are. The same will be of any team in the world.

KOTP · « **Reply #142 on:** February 1, 2017, 01:41:36 pm »

Quote from: JP-65 on February 1, 2017, 01:39:05 pm

Interesting chart from Christoffer Johansen on twitter

think just shows that for European football next season we are gonna need a stronger squad as it seems we can't cope with a couple of games in a few days

Suareznumber7 · « **Reply #143 on:** February 1, 2017, 01:45:25 pm »

Quote from: KOTP on February 1, 2017, 01:41:36 pm

think just shows that for European football next season we are gonna need a stronger squad as it seems we can't cope with a couple of games in a few days

Stronger squad or just more rotation with the squad that we have?

KOTP · « **Reply #144 on:** February 1, 2017, 02:29:29 pm »

Quote from: Suareznumber7 on February 1, 2017, 01:45:25 pm

Stronger squad or just more rotation with the squad that we have?

stronger/different as I don't think some of the current not first teasers suits the way Klopp wants to play

JP-65 · « **Reply #145 on:** February 1, 2017, 05:22:23 pm »

Quote from: Suareznumber7 on February 1, 2017, 01:40:48 pm

That's kind of common sense isn't it? Of course we're going to play better and have a better chance of winning the more rested we are. The same will be of any team in the world.

Isn't it nice to see the data & understand how much of an impact it makes?

JP-65 · « **Reply #146 on:** February 1, 2017, 05:24:24 pm »

Top 6 table:

Arsenal haven't played anyone yet in the second half of the season (this weekend against Chelsea is the 1st)

Chelsea & ourselves have accounted for half the wins.....predominantly draws this season

JP-65 · « **Reply #147 on:** February 2, 2017, 05:46:29 pm »

Season to go:

United can only get 87 points now

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #148 on:** February 13, 2017, 03:07:37 pm »

Quote from: JP-65 on February 1, 2017, 05:24:24 pm

Top 6 table:

Arsenal haven't played anyone yet in the second half of the season (this weekend against Chelsea is the 1st)

Chelsea & ourselves have accounted for half the wins.....predominantly draws this season

And we continue to rule the top six mini-table

P W D L F A PTS PPG
8 4 4 0 13 8 16 2.0

And Spurs drop to 1.13 PPG

JP-65 · « **Reply #149 on:** February 13, 2017, 04:05:31 pm »

Quote from: my last name. on February 13, 2017, 03:07:37 pm

And we continue to rule the top six mini-table

P W D L F A PTS PPG
8 4 4 0 13 8 16 2.0

And Spurs drop to 1.13 PPG

Updated

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #150 on:** February 13, 2017, 05:15:35 pm »

Quote from: JP-65 on February 13, 2017, 04:05:31 pm

Updated

Glad you aren't as lazy as me

JP-65 · « **Reply #151 on:** February 14, 2017, 12:10:54 pm »

Updated PL season to go: Max United can do is now 87, LFC is 88, Arsenal & Spurs is 89

zabadoh · « **Reply #152 on:** February 20, 2017, 08:27:35 pm »

Quote from: JP-65 on February 1, 2017, 01:39:05 pm

Interesting chart from Christoffer Johansen on twitter

but is that better, worse, or about the same as others in the top 6?

JP-65 · « **Reply #153 on:** March 5, 2017, 07:55:40 pm »

Updated

JP-65 · « **Reply #154 on:** March 6, 2017, 11:03:04 pm »

Updated season to go

JP-65 · « **Reply #155 on:** March 7, 2017, 01:10:33 pm »

Top 6 matches left:

Chelsea: City (H) United (A)
Spurs: Ars (H) United (H)
City: LP (H) Ars (A) Chel (A) United (H)
Liverpool: City (A)
Arsenal: City (H) Sps (A) United (H)
United: Chel (H) Ars (A) Sps (A) City (A)

Arsenal & United have been poor against the Top 6 teams, and they both have tough schedules left (as do City)

Good for us if we can do the job against the bottom 6

Suareznumber7 · « **Reply #156 on:** March 7, 2017, 01:12:44 pm »

Quote from: JP-65 on March 7, 2017, 01:10:33 pm

Top 6 matches left:

Chelsea: City (H) United (A)
Spurs: Ars (H) United (H)
City: LP (H) Ars (A) Chel (A) United (H)
Liverpool: City (A)
Arsenal: City (H) Sps (A) United (H)
United: Chel (H) Ars (A) Sps (A) City (A)

Arsenal & United have been poor against the Top 6 teams, and they both have tough schedules left (as do City)

Good for us if we can do the job against the bottom 6

Pretty important for us as I think it'll be one of us, Utd, Arsenal for the 4th spot this year. We need Utd and Arsenal to drop some points and with Arsenal going out of Europe this week the number of points they drop will probably be minimal with the exception of games against the top 6. We really can't afford to drop any more points this year if we are going to get Champions League football next year.

Boaty McBoatface · « **Reply #157 on:** March 8, 2017, 06:36:52 pm »

Looking at our results against the top teams. If we qualify for the champions league next season, surely we'll be favourites!

Paul1611 · « **Reply #158 on:** March 14, 2017, 11:47:52 am »

Hi, long time lurker...first post

I think this weekend could be pivotal in the race for Champions League spots.
Arsenal away to West Brom and Utd away to Boro. Both tricky matches and not beyond the realms of possibility that we see 2 home wins. IF, and it would be a big if, we can get a result at City, then follow this up with a win against Everton, we'd potentially be 11 points ahead of Arsenal and 12 ahead of Utd before they play again...and Arsenals next match? Against City.

Crimson_Tank · « **Reply #159 on:** March 14, 2017, 12:51:24 pm »

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