Topic: Jurgen Klopp signs new long-term contract

[Upinsmoke]

More like Klopp not signing the players some fans want .

I want Klopp to sign the players he wants, both Chilwell and Zielinski are players he wants. From the very start of the window, so where are they?

[BeautifulGame91]

I want Klopp to sign the players he wants, both Chilwell and Zielinski are players he wants. From the very start of the window, so where are they?

Have the transfer window closed ?

[Upinsmoke]

Fuck it anyway, this is just gonna turn into a transfer thread.

I don't give a shit about marquee but I do give a shit about Klopp getting what he wants and right now he isn't. An eerie sense of deja vu here. A manager not getting what he wants when we could be on the cusp of something special.

[Upinsmoke]

Have the transfer window closed ?

Did he not say he wanted deals done by start of pre season. You can't pick and choose what you believe Klopp says you know,

[Historical Fool]

Did he not say he wanted deals done by start of pre season. You can't pick and choose what you believe Klopp says you know,

People have been doing that for years. First and last say, said Rodgers - cue 3 years of conspiracy bullshit about vetoes, agendas, conflict on the transfer committee, rants against our scouts who according to some do nothing but sit in a dark room staring at computer screens all day.

[BeautifulGame91]

Did he not day he wanted deals done by start of pre season. You can't pick and choose what you believe Klopp says you know,

He also said he won't overpay for players .

Every manager will prefer that .But no team can wrap up every signing before pre season.Not even City .

[MNAA]

Did he not say he wanted deals done by start of pre season. You can't pick and choose what you believe Klopp says you know,

Ok. So please believe that he's happy with the players that he have currently. That's what he said. He wanted Alex Teixeira too but he was not going to overpay (he said that too). So maybe he wants Chilwell and Zielinski but similarly not willing to overpay for them

[King Klopp.]

He also said he won't overpay for players .

Every manager will prefer that .But no team can wrap up every signing before pre season.Not even City .

We are basically 2 deals away from our business being done. Zielinski and Chilwell. Two players we've been negotiating for for months. 9th richest club in the world. Haggling over a couple millions for months. We got £20m for Jordon Ibe and Jerome Sinclair and we're haggling over a few million here or there for months. You can say 'other clubs don't get this done or that done' or whatever. We aren't other clubs. We don't have the major money of other clubs so we need to find marginal gains and other ways to compete against them. And if gettings lads in early so they get more time to settle in is one of those ways then we should do it IMO.

[Upinsmoke]

He also said he won't overpay for players .

Every manager will prefer that .But no team can wrap up every signing before pre season.Not even City .

We received 15 Million for Jordan Ibe, so overpaying.... Well that's just the 2016 market. No player is worth what they are going for but it's not so much that I'm worried about, I'm not arsed if Klopp wanted some fella from league 2 as long as he got him, sound.

I mean we look like we might get Manninger as third choice but not even bothered becsuse if the manager wants him then fair enough. My support is steadfast in this manager and I don't doubt him, but I do doubt the people who sanction deals and that won't change because there has been far too many bodged deals since the axis of FSG, Ayre and TC came into play.

They are just there to sign the cheques. So sign them.

Also they are about to make a couple of million selling old seats, they you go, there's your extra two million for a player.

[CraigDS]

Zielinski isn't even back until July 22nd/23rd, so we could have bought him months ago and he wouldn't be in training with us yet. So it's a moot point.

Chilwell is the only one, and I'd imagine Klopp has had his full input into if he is worth spending what Leicester are demanding for him - which given his previous comments is probably not.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

The same people constantly moaning. It's all a bit tedious.

It's pretty impossible to get all your transfer business done early. You can't negotiate with seven different players at the same time. You can't just pay whatever the selling club wants. You can't just pay the wages the player wants. You can't speak to a player if he's focusing on international football. You can't speak to a player if he's on holiday and chilling.

The crux of this is that we aren't signing who you want us to sign. Dress it up however you like though.

Get over it and maybe just believe the manager in what he says rather than looking for a conspiracy theory.

[PeterTheRed ...]

I think this needs to be reposted.

I know that this topic has been discussed a lot, but we really need to take another look at the way Klopp has built his Dortmund title winning team:

Subotic (signed at the age of 19 for €4.5 million)
Schmelzer (promoted from the academy at the age of 20)
Sahin (promoted from the academy at the age of 19, after 1 season on loan)
Hummels (signed at the age of 20 for €4.2 million)
Bender (signed at the age of 20 for €1.5 million)
Groskreutz (signed at the age of 20 on a free transfer)
Lewandowski (signed at the age of 21 for €4.75 million)
Kagawa (signed at the age of 21 on a free transfer)
Gotze (promoted from the academy at the age of 18)
Perisic (signed at the age of 22 for €5.5 million)
Gundogan (signed at the age of 20 for €5.5 million)

It was in his 5th season with Dortmund that he has spent more than €5.5 million on a single player, when he got Reus for €17 million. I know that people who don't like this approach would credit Dortmund's director of football for the smart signings in Klopp's first 4 years with the club, but you should never forget one thing: You need a brilliant coach who will develop these talented young players into top class players, and that is exactly what we have secured for the next 6 seasons.

Relax and enjoy the ride.

[Historical Fool]

Yes. Instead of addressing you all with one post, I will PM you all individually. That is definitely how I want to spend my Saturday. We may as well just get rid of the forum and just set up a messenger service.

Feedback forum may be a better place to post suggested site improvements?

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Feedback forum may be a better place to post suggested site improvements?

 

[Eeyore]

Lies and conjecture. Why aren't the mods calling Al 555 on this bullshitting spree ?

Klopp insisted there was no point in Liverpool going for players who the club simply couldn’t get and admitted: “I cannot make the transfers everyone wants”.

“Everyone expects big names and a big improvement because of big names and if you don’t know the players it’s like ‘what are we doing? what are they doing?’

“If we go for players and there is obviously there is no chance, there is no point. Look for players you can have and make the best of it. I am 100% happy with the guys we have brought in until now.



Stop peddling your nonsense.

How is it nonsense mate.

The manager is basically admitting that he can't compete at the top end of the transfer market.

Given our income and the way other clubs have shown that being out of the CL isn't a barrier to ambitious Clubs signing top players that is embarrassing.

Klopp isn't saying that not competing in the market is his choice, so who's decision is it to not compete.

West Ham are being heavily linked with a move for James Rodriguez whilst we are scrabbling around trying to get knock down prices for kids. What is the point of the huge income increase the new Stand brings in, what is the point of the TV and sponsorship money if Klopp is admitting that  “I cannot make the transfers everyone wants”.

[killer-heels]

Those Klopp comments clearly illustrate that he is only trying to sign players who might want to come here, not that he can sign big names but chooses not to. But we knew that already.

[Chris~]

West Ham are being heavily linked with a move for James Rodriguez whilst we are scrabbling around trying to get knock down prices for kids.

Hahahaha you're smart enough to know being linked means fuck all.

'Heavily linked' means a throwaway line in Marca when they say United, Chelsea and PSG want him as well.

[CraigDS]

West Ham are being heavily linked with a move for James Rodriguez

Metro & Goal.com reporting from a dodgy Spanish source.

Come on Al, let's not be ridiculous now.

[pyroparty]

West Ham are being heavily linked with a move for James Rodriguez whilst we are scrabbling around trying to get knock down prices for kids.

  As if you haven't made a big enough fool of yourself this week you start saying nonsense like this! Please never leave this place!!

[Eeyore]

Those Klopp comments clearly illustrate that he is only trying to sign players who might want to come here, not that he can sign big names but chooses not to. But we knew that already.

Really.

If he had said I have the funds to sign the top players but I want to build a team of young players then you may have a point but he hasn't. He has made it clear that he can't sign the top players so he is having to make do with players lower down the scale.

Too many posters are peddling the myth that Jurgen doesn't want ready made players but wants to only bring through young players. Well if  that is true why isn't he looking to sell the likes of Clyne, Lovren, Sakho, Coutinho, Henderson, Milner, Firmino, Lalanna, Strurridge etc and replace them with kids who he can turn into superstars.

[Eeyore]

As if you haven't made a big enough fool of yourself this week you start saying nonsense like this! Please never leave this place!!

The foolish bit is not realising that the media don't even bother linking us with the top talents any more. They can get away with linking West Ham with Rodriguez but no one would be daft enough to believe a FSG led Liverpool would move for a proven World Class talent because everyone knows FSG don't buy the best players they only sell them.

[CraigDS]

Too many posters are peddling the myth that Jurgen doesn't want ready made players but wants to only bring through young players. Well if  that is true why isn't he looking to sell the likes of Clyne, Lovren, Sakho, Coutinho, Henderson, Milner, Firmino, Lalanna, Strurridge etc and replace them with kids who he can turn into superstars.

Stupid example as a big difference between keeping established players already at the club and actively wanting to sign them.


I don't particularly agree that he doesn't want to sign any established players, just that I don't think he has any issue with looking at someone he can have a hand in his development.

[Chris~]

The foolish bit is not realising that the media don't even bother linking us with the top talents any more. They can get away with linking West Ham with Rodriguez but no one would be daft enough to believe a FSG led Liverpool would move for a proven World Class talent because everyone knows FSG don't buy the best players they only sell them.

Gotze.

[pyroparty]

The foolish bit is not realising that the media don't even bother linking us with the top talents any more. They can get away with linking West Ham with Rodriguez but no one would be daft enough to believe a FSG led Liverpool would move for a proven World Class talent because everyone knows FSG don't buy the best players they only sell them.

 

[Eeyore]

Hahahaha you're smart enough to know being linked means fuck all.

'Heavily linked' means a throwaway line in Marca when they say United, Chelsea and PSG want him as well.

I am also smart enough to know what not being linked means.

Why aren't we linked with the same players as United, Chelsea and PSG ?

Because as Werner said we have the funds to compete with anyone in Football.

No CL doesn't stop United signing World class players, FFP has been watered down so much that it doesn't stop us looking to sign the top players so why aren't we competing for the very best players ?

Not so long ago Rodgers lack of profile was being blamed for us not being able to sign the top players. Now we have a huge income, a newly extended ground, a hugely charismatic manager and world renowned fans so what is the reason ?

[CraigDS]

Gotze.

Micky Ryan, Willian, etc. etc. etc.


However the reply will be that we missed out on these (like West Ham will) and he'll flip flop into yet another moan which we can add to his list for this thread.

[Rush 82]

Really.

If he had said I have the funds to sign the top players but I want to build a team of young players then you may have a point but he hasn't. He has made it clear that he can't sign the top players so he is having to make do with players lower down the scale.

Too many posters are peddling the myth that Jurgen doesn't want ready made players but wants to only bring through young players. Well if  that is true why isn't he looking to sell the likes of Clyne, Lovren, Sakho, Coutinho, Henderson, Milner, Firmino, Lalanna, Strurridge etc and replace them with kids who he can turn into superstars.

Umm, maybe because he wants to retain the core players that he was able to spend 3/4 of a season with molding them into a unit that reached two Cup Finals...

Just logical like...

You've quite lost all sense of logic in your Quixotic crusade...

[CraigDS]

I am also smart enough to know what not being linked means.

Why aren't we linked with the same players as United, Chelsea and PSG ?

Because as Werner said we have the funds to compete with anyone in Football.

No CL doesn't stop United signing World class players, FFP has been watered down so much that it doesn't stop us looking to sign the top players so why aren't we competing for the very best players ?

Because, as you well know, we don't have the same sort of money to throw at wages as United, Chelsea and PSG.

Come on Al, you're not a stupid guy but you know exactly why we can't compete with those teams and you suggest WHU actually are because of one tedious link is just a big joke and exactly why people are so quick to jump on your posts.

[SerbianScouser]

why aren't we competing for the very best players ?

Because Klopp wants young players who are willing to go through a brick wall for him rather than spoiled, superstar primadonnas who get angry if you don`t send them the birthday card.

[killer-heels]

Because Klopp wants young players who are willing to go through a brick wall for him rather than spoiled, superstar primadonnas who get angry if you don`t send them the birthday card.

I dont fully agree with that. I think we would want higher quality players if we could sign them.

[Rush 82]

I think people are quite insane in this thread.

Klopp quite clearly:

a. refuses to overpay in transfer fees
b. refuses to overpay in wages
c. insists that his players must want to be here because they believe in his project of reviving LFC to it's former glory

Anyone who doesn't acknowledge the above is simply trolling.

[Funky_Gibbons]

I think people are quite insane in this thread.

Klopp quite clearly:

a. refuses to overpay in transfer fees
b. refuses to overpay in wages
c. insists that his players must want to be here because they believe in his project of reviving LFC to it's former glory

Anyone who doesn't acknowledge the above is simply trolling.

I'm not sure Klopp controls a or b. 

[Rush 82]

I dont fully agree with that. I think we would want higher quality players if we could sign them.

'we' is not Jurgen Klopp

'we' is all of us - armchair, FM specialists with zero experience of actually managing a real team

What 'we' want means fuck all! It's what 'he' wants that counts.

Thank fuck running LFC is not like running a Brexit vote

[Rush 82]

I'm not sure Klopp controls a or b.

I think he does (refer that fella who went to China in the mid season break)

[Eeyore]

Because, as you well know, we don't have the same sort of money to throw at wages as United, Chelsea and PSG.

Come on Al, you're not a stupid guy but you know exactly why we can't compete with those teams and you suggest WHU actually are because of one tedious link is just a big joke and exactly why people are so quick to jump on your posts.

We are more than capable of matching the wages of the big boys as the contract we gave Suarez showed. Of course we may not be able to have as many huge earners as the Clubs above us in the money League but filling some positions out with younger players on smaller wages should allow us to compete on wages.

Sadly FSG have this lunatic policy where players have to earn big wages here before they get them which effectively rules us out of buying the best players.

[SerbianScouser]

I think we would want higher quality players if we could sign them.

We would if they were a) available b) willing to work extremely hard for the team which not all of them are.

[Funky_Gibbons]

I think he does (refer that fella who went to China in the mid season break)

Which fella? Considering we were willing to make Gotez our highest paid player I'm not sure it's true "he" won't pay high wages.

[Eeyore]

I think people are quite insane in this thread.

Klopp quite clearly:

a. refuses to overpay in transfer fees
b. refuses to overpay in wages
c. insists that his players must want to be here because they believe in his project of reviving LFC to it's former glory

Anyone who doesn't acknowledge the above is simply trolling.

If he only signs players who are there for the project how come so many of his Dortmund players have buggered off to Munich or Manchester ?

[Chris~]

We are more than capable of matching the wages of the big boys as the contract we gave Suarez showed. Of course we may not be able to have as many huge earners as the Clubs above us in the money League but filling some positions out with younger players on smaller wages should allow us to compete on wages.

Sadly FSG have this lunatic policy where players have to earn big wages here before they get them which effectively rules us out of buying the best players.

We offered gotze 170k a week

[killer-heels]

We would if they were a) available b) willing to work extremely hard for the team which not all of them are.

Top players are available but they dont always want to come to your club. Also lots of top players are that because they do work hard.