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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1080 on: January 9, 2011, 06:28:07 pm »
the FA apparently invistigating Ryan Babel posting the pic of Howard Webb
why?

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1081 on: January 9, 2011, 06:28:08 pm »
Come on whats the pleb saying?

Roy should have been given more time - Kenny Dalglish will not make any difference etc
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1082 on: January 9, 2011, 06:28:09 pm »
Big sam : "it was probably a penalty. would have been easier for webb is the assistnant had flagged"... nice..
To be fair, Dont remember him saying that, Didn't he say the linesman right on it, didn't flag, ref 25 yards away so probably unsighted?
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1083 on: January 9, 2011, 06:28:19 pm »
Really enjoyed watching that game, even if there were some dubious decisions. There is no way that was a penalty, it was a dive and we all know that united could win the Red Bull Diving champs any day. Burpatoff went down after there was some slight contact, he went down for the slightest nudge by agger. He's a diving champ, obviously taught well by Whiskey nose.

Gerrard went in with a single foot, studs up,so if it was a red, it was for showing studs, not for a 2 footed lunge. His second leg came around after the tackle. I've watched it 50 times in slomo. Possibly a deserved red, but not for a lunge. Rafael should have been red carded as well. That was a 2 footed tackle so Webb should be consistent. But he's a piece of shit ref who did not nothing to de Jong in WCF and I have no idea why the FA rate him so highly. He's an idiot.

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1084 on: January 9, 2011, 06:29:03 pm »
the FA apparently invistigating Ryan Babel posting the pic of Howard Webb
Whats this?

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1085 on: January 9, 2011, 06:29:39 pm »
why?

You tell me - we all agree with him - Howard Webb is a Manc (Manc of the Busby Empire - according to Paul Dalglish)
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1086 on: January 9, 2011, 06:30:02 pm »
why?

Because they've got nothing better to do. Instead of reviewing referee performances and taking action.
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1087 on: January 9, 2011, 06:30:10 pm »
Whats this?

a pic of Howard Webb in a manc shirt
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1088 on: January 9, 2011, 06:30:24 pm »
Whats this?

Posted a pic of Webb with a photoshopped manc top on.

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1089 on: January 9, 2011, 06:30:34 pm »
Whats this?

A pic of Webb in a UTD top he put on twitter

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1090 on: January 9, 2011, 06:31:02 pm »
why?
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1091 on: January 9, 2011, 06:31:08 pm »
This picture...

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1092 on: January 9, 2011, 06:31:35 pm »
the FA apparently invistigating Ryan Babel posting the pic of Howard Webb

Don't see what the big deal about it is to be fair. Players criticize referees all the time in post-match interviews in ways that are far more vicious than what Babel has done.

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1093 on: January 9, 2011, 06:31:43 pm »
Posted a pic of Webb with a photoshopped manc top on.
a pic of Howard Webb in a manc shirt
Ah right.F*ckin hell,ridiculous

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1094 on: January 9, 2011, 06:31:48 pm »
Come on whats the pleb saying?

Fuck the no mark c*nt, he's got it in for us now because Tommo called him out big time on SS
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1095 on: January 9, 2011, 06:32:10 pm »
right I'll only say this once. LEAVE OUT THE IN FIGHTING or you'll find you'll have to do it elsewhere...

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1096 on: January 9, 2011, 06:32:20 pm »
Made up for Kelly. He is deffo ready.

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1097 on: January 9, 2011, 06:32:30 pm »
This picture...
Great photoshop.Or was it photoshop? :D

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1098 on: January 9, 2011, 06:32:32 pm »
This picture...



Thats the original.

Apparently the one Babel posted had been photoshopped.
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1099 on: January 9, 2011, 06:40:25 pm »
Thats the original.

Apparently the one Babel posted had been photoshopped.

;D

The FA have been very quick to say they'll "definitely investigate" this, doesn't seem they'll be investigating Berbatov's dive though, or Webb's refereeing. Funny that, isn't it?

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1100 on: January 9, 2011, 06:40:36 pm »
That and he also said "and they call him the best referee smh" or something like that
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1101 on: January 9, 2011, 06:40:49 pm »
Another one

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1102 on: January 9, 2011, 06:41:30 pm »
Roy should have been given more time - Kenny Dalglish will not make any difference etc

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1103 on: January 9, 2011, 06:42:54 pm »
;D

The FA have been very quick to say they'll "definitely investigate" this, doesn't seem they'll be investigating Berbatov's dive though, or Webb's refereeing. Funny that, isn't it?
What exactly are they investigating it for? As far as I know it's managers who aren't allowed to accuse Refs of bias unless they're in charge of Man Utd, since when have players gotten punished for having a pop at the ref post game?
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1104 on: January 9, 2011, 06:44:05 pm »
Just got back. Haven't seen any replays etc. but thought the peno was a dive a few seconds after light contact and Gerrard's was a 50/50 worth going for after Raul shit out of putting his foot in. Looked much more organised and willing to pass the ball a bit than recent weeks. Lots more effort too. Lads still look shot of confidence though but willing to give it a go.

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1105 on: January 9, 2011, 06:44:19 pm »
What exactly are they investigating it for? As far as I know it's managers who aren't allowed to accuse Refs of bias unless they're in charge of Man Utd, since when have players gotten punished for having a pop at the ref post game?

They're investigating it because they can't be arsed investigation the real issues that are ruining the game (diving, cheating, shit referees).

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1106 on: January 9, 2011, 06:44:25 pm »
Nice to see some spirit return. Ok we didnt threaten a great deal but at no stage did it look like we were playing with 10 men.

Proud of the lads.

As per, there is a lot of guff in here, but totally agree with you post, sums it up for me.

With less than 24 hours to prepare, your Right Back pulling out at the last minute, a first minute penalty that wasn't, a 30 minute Red Card that probably was, I am happy with the effort the team showed today.

Sure there are individual performances you might want to critique, but it shows they still have fight, and if Kenny can get them motivated (if he can't then we might as well start again!) we will have a great chance of a top 6 finish this season.

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1107 on: January 9, 2011, 06:45:32 pm »
Thats the original.

Apparently the one Babel posted had been photoshopped.

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1108 on: January 9, 2011, 06:46:21 pm »
They're investigating it because they can't be arsed investigation the real issues that are ruining the game (diving, cheating, shit referees).
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1109 on: January 9, 2011, 06:46:39 pm »
If I'm honest, will I still get grief?

The whole game for me was a potential sideshow from the start. Even before Kenny's appointment it was always going to be a game where the football never mattered, just a result either way and it's corresponding fallout.

I haven't even been bothered about it all week. Even when Kenny was appointed yesterday, it still didn't mean much to me. I we won then great, take it from there, if we lost, then fine, just move on. By this morning it felt like it would be about Kenny, rather than the football or the result. And I don't have a problem with that.

All I could ask for would be a change in attitude, that the re-appointment of Kenny would bring. I think we got that. I think there was the extra added incentive of a now, more buoyant and elated crowd. But I was still under the impression that despite Kenny's ability to raise moral across the board, he doesn't have a magic wand. And as such didn't expect too much of an improvement in the performance.

The whole hoo-har of a trip to United away, under Roy or Kenny masked the true reality of progression in the FA Cup. We're in bad need of points in the league, points that would give us a chance to push for the Europa – a minimum in my eyes. Extra games in the FA Cup, away, replays etc, with a thin and under performing squad would of added more trouble than I think we need right now. I'd accept not taking a cup this season (controversial I know) if it meant we did better in the league, giving us something to build on in the summer and keeping players happy. Todays game held no real value for me, if we win, then keep going – similar to the Europa this season. Butif we're out, then fine, it gives us something less to contend with when we've struggled thus far.

Losing to United is never great, but it offered little than bragging rights for me and a chance for Kenny to get an up-close and personal look at the squad, from the dugout. We've had the latter and that'll do. Kenny can go in tomorrow and has 3 days to instill some ideas and fine tune things for trip to Blackpool on Wednesday. They're no push over and we're awful on the road so today has given Kenny some good time to have a look at certain players and where he wants to move forward. And again, then on to Everton.

So between the the hype over the game and the hype over the return of Kenny, a loss for me was never then end of the world. The manner in which it happened was far more important. And 10 of the lads who went out at 1:30pm can be proud.

I only caught bits of the game amongst a busy day, but I saw the decision for the peno and I'll have a stab at trying to understand the whole incident. I'm disappointed by the speed in which a supposedly top official can come to a judgement, 25yrds away with a restricted view, when his on official doesn't even flag for the foul. It was like he'd been waiting for the opportunity to give them a peno and had an itchy whistle ready to blow. He could of at least consulted with the assistant on the near side to clarify his decision, but the manner in which he was so certain of the peno sickened me. He just couldn't wait to give one and must of been dying to get it out of his system.

Added to that the soft arse fanny tumble by Berbatov just added insult to injury. But here's where it gets interesting, because if that had been the other way round... say Evans on Torres, I'd of been screaming for the peno, knowing full well that it was soft. Every advantage? I don't advocate diving and the appalling condoning by Alladyce at HT was a disgrace, but we all know (if we were ever lucky enough under Webb to be awarded a peno) we'd of all called for it and taken it, if offered.

It provided the perfect luxury to a quite flat United side. They could afford to soak up our play and hope to hit us on the counter. Long gone (by about 24hrs) were the days of Hodgson, where at 1-0 down, we'd of sat back and hoped for something, so the game was no perfectly in Uniteds hands.

And just when you think you've got a chance of getting back in to the game against a lack-lusture United side something you don't expect to happen, but when it does, leaves you unsurprised that it has happened. How many times, must this lad learn? he's spent his whole career making daft challenges, and today, of all days, at Old Trafford, supervised by Howard Webb, he pulls that out of the bag. Fucking clueless. What did he expect? off the ground and late right in front of the ref with 50K+ United fans calling for a red card. Only one conclusion from the already home-banking Webb. But despite that, I have no fucking sympathy for Gerrard because we need composure from our captain and instead, we got a loss of head and stupid challenge which was the real turning point of the game. Passion yes. Tenacity yes. But some fucking common sense to go with that surely.

And again, if it had been Carrick on Gerrard, we'd of screamed for a red on the replay too. Only gripe I have is that on the replay from the other angle, Webb's back is turned and he only catches the actual collision so I'm going to say that he was likely influenced by Carricks theatrics, the United players huddling, the fans and the site of that gobshite going frantic on the touchline. If he did actually see the full thing (which I don't think he did) or the assistant gave him the heads up, it makes no difference because Gerrard made the decision an easy one with a reckless challenge, which I can't condone and would of gone nuts over if it had been done to one of our players.

I went out at HT as my day was out of my hands, but to expect anything at OT with certain officials is like asking for a wank off God. It's just not going to happen. I'm glad that Kenny got some touchline experience back under his belt and I'm glad the sideshow of the FA Cup is out of the way so we can concentrate on the league. I'm glad there was a slight improvement in quality, tactics and effort from the team and I'm not surprised by the result, nor the officiating.

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1110 on: January 9, 2011, 06:47:09 pm »
What exactly are they investigating it for? As far as I know it's managers who aren't allowed to accuse Refs of bias unless they're in charge of Man Utd, since when have players gotten punished for having a pop at the ref post game?

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« Reply #1111 on: January 9, 2011, 06:47:37 pm »
You WHAT?????

Both his feet were OFF THE GROUND and POINTING at the other player, it's practically the definition of a 'two footed' challenge, it's EXACTLY the kind of needless, dangerous challenge the rules were rightly brought in to stop.

We'd be absolutely FUMING if an opposition player did the same and wasn't punished, indeed I have fumed about it on a number of occasions.

So does that mean that Rafael's was a red?

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1112 on: January 9, 2011, 06:47:45 pm »
good for you Babel. only stating what we are all thinking anyway.

any word on SAF condemning his player for diving ?  Thought not.

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1113 on: January 9, 2011, 06:47:46 pm »


It was a pleasure just being a fan again. A few of us old hands caught the train in, walking to the ground was just like the old days. Inside it was just about Dalglish, catharsis, and a feeling that the G&H era WAS truly over.

The decisions? The penalty was a “home” decision, but Agger made it easy for him. The sending off? If you leave the ground  it’s a sending off. I’ve just watched the highlights on Skyplus, Webb was a long way away to make the call, but at match speed it looked a pen, and Agger’s rustiness showed in his challenge. But what the linesman was doing i have no idea. He had no choice with Gerrard. A bit worrying that in the post match interview Kenny didn’t know the rules on tackling.

But the up side was that the overall play was good and we didn’t get mullered when down to ten. Reina was great and Kelly held his nerve under intense pressure, KK can now also describe “King Kelly!”  Kelly is not as good a footballer as Johnson, but showed a discipline, determination, and awareness when it came to doing a defending job that Johnson could learn from. How ironic that Roy lost JC against Arsenal through trying too hard, and the same happens to Kenny with Gerrard. Dirk gave his all, as did Lucas. Torres didn’t. It could be Kenny’s first big decision as to how to tackle a problem which goes back to last season.

I cadged  a lift back to top off a day to enjoy just being a football fan again, I wouldn’t describe the atmosphere as friendly  on either side. The highs were of kenny’s return and a battling performance, the lows of a defeat and cup exit to the Mancs. Our support today was magnificent.

I’m glad the first game is out of the way to be honest, the problems that Roy faced are still there, but the support for Kenny to tackle them is obviously considerably greater. Losing Gerrard for three is a massive blow to the Club, and Kenny, but may work in our favour, forcing others to take responsibility in a way that too many have shirked in recent performances.
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1114 on: January 9, 2011, 06:48:46 pm »
What can I say? Beaten 1-nil away to the premier league leaders who had 2 men more than us for most of the match? I'd say thats a pretty decent start all things considered.

Oh, and completely agree with Berbatov being given the man of the match award, after all, it was HIS dive that changed the game, and won the match for them. Agger was silly to even put the foot in there, just gave that c*nt every opportunity to give the pen.

Stevie was also stupid going into the challenge, again, just giving Webb the option to pull the trigger. IT was pathetic seeing as he didn't apply the same logic to Rafael (or even just a booking).

The positives are that we pretty much matched them even with 10 men apart from a couple of hairy moments, but the loss of Stevie meant that it was always gonna be an uphill struggle to get enough men forward to grab an equaliser. Well pleased that we didn't just crumble in the face of the injustice of it all, and kept going even till the end. Credit for that has to go to Kenny and the backroom staff.

OK so we are out the Cup for another year, big we have bigger priorities, apply the same commitment to the next few games and we will be ok, and there is always the Europa league - Kenny still hasn't won in Europe as a manager so I reckon he'll be up for that.
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1115 on: January 9, 2011, 06:49:34 pm »
right I'll only say this once.

Sorry but I had visions of Allo Allo then

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1117 on: January 9, 2011, 06:49:46 pm »
On the Gerrard red card - was Carrick not off the ground as well? They were both fully committed and going for the ball. I can see why a red was given but half the time I think a yellow would have been shown, depending on refs, venues etc.

Proud of the way we played, one downa dn a man down after half an hour and we were still in it right to the end. Played lads.

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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1118 on: January 9, 2011, 06:50:33 pm »
Any clips of Steven's tackle?
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Re: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game
« Reply #1119 on: January 9, 2011, 06:50:43 pm »
Sorry but I had visions of Allo Allo then
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