Topic: Shogun (TV Mini Series 2024)

[meady1981]

Kind of wish I hadn’t read the book now.

[newterp]

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Good for Blackthorne getting one last rumble in

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[afc tukrish]

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Good for Blackthorne getting one last rumble in

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Loved the sort of Indiana Jones moment, too...

[The G in Gerrard]

Show has been brilliant. Glad Blackthorne has not featured prominently in the show.

[Ultimate Bromance]

Spent half an hour in a bit of a daze after that ending, what a show. Completely smitten with Anna Sawai.

[Draex]

Spent half an hour in a bit of a daze after that ending, what a show. Completely smitten with Anna Sawai.

I've just breathed out.. Finished it 20mins ago.. Intense..

[RedDeadRejection]

Spent half an hour in a bit of a daze after that ending, what a show. Completely smitten with Anna Sawai.

If she doesn't become a star off the back of this then it'd be clear that the industry is blind.

[Trada]

If she doesn't become a star off the back of this then it'd be clear that the industry is blind.

I wonder if her wages have gone up for the 2nd series of Monarch: Legacy of Monsters that's the only other thing I  know she was in

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[Sangria]

At least two tributes to Hosokawa Gracia, the original on whom Toda Mariko was based. The line "Flowers are only flowers because they fall" is from Gracia's death poem, which would have been the piece of paper Mariko handed over before doing the deed. Mariko's cross is also a replica of Gracia's cross.

[Gili Gulu]

I wonder if her wages have gone up for the 2nd series of Monarch: Legacy of Monsters that's the only other thing I  know she was in

Well I'm going to watch Season 1 now because she was in it.

[kaesarsosei]

Someone mentioned a show on Netflix called Hari/Gaji or something like that which has Mariko and Ishido in it. Ishido was also in Inception right? He's a quality actor, as is Toronaga who's been in tons of stuff.

[Sangria]

Someone mentioned a show on Netflix called Hari/Gaji or something like that which has Mariko and Ishido in it. Ishido was also in Inception right? He's a quality actor, as is Toronaga who's been in tons of stuff.

IIRC Toranaga, just as he thinks he's registering a W, is killed by a long haired woman climbing out of a well. It's horrifying. Miyamoto Musashi wrote a book about the incident, titled The Book of Five Ringus.

[Sangria]

Spent half an hour in a bit of a daze after that ending, what a show. Completely smitten with Anna Sawai.

Do you like jpop?

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[afc tukrish]

Do you like jpop?

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I like Anna Sawai...

[emergency exit]

ALL of the feels.

Incredible show.

[stewil007]

Epic series, considering its 95% in Japanese and the subtitles can take you away from the beauty of it all, it was still amazing.

If i could tweak the final episode, it would be

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no need for the Blackthorn as an old man bits - for me, didn't add to the episode and takes away the tension from the scene of Anjin-sama attempting to commit  Seppuku.

Also, no matter the budget and greatness of the costume etc, putting grey hair and wrinkles on a younger man, doesn't convincingly make him look old

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[Sangria]

Epic series, considering its 95% in Japanese and the subtitles can take you away from the beauty of it all, it was still amazing.

If i could tweak the final episode, it would be

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no need for the Blackthorn as an old man bits - for me, didn't add to the episode and takes away the tension from the scene of Anjin-sama attempting to commit  Seppuku.

Also, no matter the budget and greatness of the costume etc, putting grey hair and wrinkles on a younger man, doesn't convincingly make him look old

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You can see old man Blackthorne has Mariko's cross. You can see Blackthorne dropping the cross into the water. Old man Blackthorne is the future that might have been, his dream of returning to England as the first Englishman to reach Japan, and making it big. But still holding onto Mariko. That never happens, and even if he wanted it to happen, Toranaga confirms he'd never let it happen. Instead, Blackthorne lets go of that dream, and Mariko being his sole link with Japan, and throws himself into Japan as symbolised by Ajiro joining him as one to pull the wreckage from the sea. Although the break is Blackthorne thinking of that dream, saying Fuck it, and going full bore Japan by committing seppuku to make his statement to Toranaga.

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[Gili Gulu]

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You can see old man Blackthorne has Mariko's cross. You can see Blackthorne dropping the cross into the water. Old man Blackthorne is the future that might have been, his dream of returning to England as the first Englishman to reach Japan, and making it big. But still holding onto Mariko. That never happens, and even if he wanted it to happen, Toranaga confirms he'd never let it happen. Instead, Blackthorne lets go of that dream, and Mariko being his sole link with Japan, and throws himself into Japan as symbolised by Ajiro joining him as one to pull the wreckage from the sea. Although the break is Blackthorne thinking of that dream, saying Fuck it, and going full bore Japan by committing seppuku to make his statement to Toranaga.

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Yes I agree, I managed to get that part.

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Was a good ending, summed things up well, everyones motivations revealed. and their feelings on what's happened.

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[newterp]

final episode is out?

[stewil007]

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You can see old man Blackthorne has Mariko's cross. You can see Blackthorne dropping the cross into the water. Old man Blackthorne is the future that might have been, his dream of returning to England as the first Englishman to reach Japan, and making it big. But still holding onto Mariko. That never happens, and even if he wanted it to happen, Toranaga confirms he'd never let it happen. Instead, Blackthorne lets go of that dream, and Mariko being his sole link with Japan, and throws himself into Japan as symbolised by Ajiro joining him as one to pull the wreckage from the sea. Although the break is Blackthorne thinking of that dream, saying Fuck it, and going full bore Japan by committing seppuku to make his statement to Toranaga.

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I didn't get that......have you read the book?

[Sangria]

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You can see the cross held by old Blackthorne. You can see the cross being dropped into the sea by young Blackthorne. That alone tells you that the old Blackthorne, as depicted, can't be true. You also have Toranaga telling Yabushige that he'll probably burn the ship Anjin's building, that he thinks Anjin's fate is to remain in Japan.

None of the images are in the book, other than the Erasmus being burned on Toranaga's instigation, and Toranaga thinking to himself that he'll keep Anjin in Japan.

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[FlashingBlade]

Immense.

 

[Draex]

Top 5 series of all time for me, each episode was a masterpiece.

[FlashingBlade]

Top 5 series of all time for me, each episode was a masterpiece.

Totally agree