Topic: Dejan Lovren

[Flaccido Dongingo]

I don't think he's good enough, maybe as a squad player, maybe, but he's too rash and commits himself far too often, resulting in chances or goals for the opposition, pity the club couldn't just bung Southampton him and Sakho for van Dijk.

[AaronSingh25]

Think Lovren's agent is going to be in massive demand soon.

Talk from the journalists on twitter is that he walked away from contract talks at one point. It obviously worked!   

[clinical]

He'd be the best paid defender in Serie A. Laughable

Think Lovren's agent is going to be in massive demand soon.

Talk from the journalists on twitter is that he walked away from contract talks at one point. It obviously worked!   

He'd be lucky to get anywhere near £100k at any other club in the world.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

He'd be the best paid defender in Serie A. Laughable

In terms of finance, Serie A as a league is nowhere near the PL

[sms1986]

He'd be the best paid defender in Serie A. Laughable

You're comparing different leagues, cultures and countries.

He'd be lucky to get anywhere near £100k at any other club in the world.

A statement based on fuck all.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

You're comparing different leagues, cultures and countries.

A statement based on fuck all.

For the sake of comparison, Sergio Ramos earns £160k and Raphael Varane £80k per week, at one of the richest clubs on Earth, is Lovren close to providing nearly as much value for money as Ramos?, or more value for money than Varane?, is he fuck, it's a mind boggling salary for such an inconsistent footballer.

[BER]

You're comparing different leagues, cultures and countries.

A statement based on fuck all.

What is wrong with comparing different leagues? Not like there is a ban on signing any of those players.

If there are better players, earning less money somewhere else, it might behoove us to look more closely at that and use it to our advantage.

[AaronSingh25]

You're comparing different leagues, cultures and countries.

A statement based on fuck all.

Can we not sign players from Europe? So the comparison is valid.

[sms1986]

For the sake of comparison, Sergio Ramos earns £160k and Raphael Varane £80k per week, at one of the richest clubs on Earth, is Lovren close to providing nearly as much value for money as Ramos?, or more value for money than Varane?, is he fuck, it's a mind boggling salary for such an inconsistent footballer.

We don't know the specifics, maybe Varane gets more than Lovren overall due to sponsorships etc, or maybe he's just not that arsed about earning more. He can't be that bothered if he's happy with that wage there.

[sms1986]

What is wrong with comparing different leagues? Not like there is a ban on signing any of those players.

If there are better players, earning less money somewhere else, isn't the whole idea to go try and sign them?

Can we not sign players from Europe? So the comparison is valid.

For a start, you're not taking into account the financial differences, the tax differences, the cultural differences. English football has the richest league in the world as well.

[clinical]

You're comparing different leagues, cultures and countries.

A statement based on fuck all.

What's wrong with comparing leagues? Clutching at straws now mate. We pay our average players the same as city and utd do theirs. Difference they can afford to do it and offer new players just as much. We reward mediocrity and try sign better players by offering less.

[jillcwhomever]

I'm okay with this, he's an option and we will need plenty of those. The money yes its a lot, but these days youner players who have done little are earning crazy amounts of money. This presumably will be his last contract from the club, if the manager is happy with it, I'm okay with it. We just need to make sure we sign another CB in the summer.

[AaronSingh25]

For a start, you're not taking into account the financial differences, the tax differences, the cultural differences. English football has the richest league in the world as well.

Yes, but we are able to sign these players from these so called 'poorer leagues'. So it's valid to compare salaries.

[harryc]

As long as he is not a starter too often next season then nothing wrong with tying him up.

Replacing him would probably cost over £20M + the wages, so in effect giving him a new deal is the cheaper option.

[AaronSingh25]

As long as he is not a starter too often next season then nothing wrong with tying him up.

Replacing him would probably cost over £20M + the wages, so in effect giving him a new deal is the cheaper option.

That in itself is a damming indictment of FSG. Happy to put up with mediocrity as it's the cheaper option.

[clinical]

As long as he is not a starter too often next season then nothing wrong with tying him up.

Replacing him would probably cost over £20M + the wages, so in effect giving him a new deal is the cheaper option.

If scouts couldn't find a better player than Lovren for £20m in the world we may as well just get rid of them. Absolutely pointless.

[sms1986]

That in itself is a damming indictment of FSG. Happy to put up with mediocrity as it's the cheaper option.

Yes, because no other owners would do that, would they?

[Funky_Gibbons]

People are going to be in for shock next season if they're expecting a new central defender to come in and all our defensive woes will be solved.

Sakho, Lovren, Matip, Lucas, Klavan and Toure etc have all played and looked poor at times. Is it because they're all bad players or because we leave them exposed and unprotected.

Our problems are due to the system, until we balance the style of play our defence will continue to look poor.

[plasterered]

Some of the social media moaners ffs what is wrong with some of our fans

We need depth we moan of lack of it. Of course we look to buy a CB but surely we dont sell the current one half?? any other top club would be adding a plus 1 hopefully a better plus 1 to really push them all for places in the first team.

Sometimes i think were happy just to be moaning.

Im happy with the news. I remember centre halfs getting 100k a week 15yrs ago. Crack on



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[clinical]

People are going to be in for shock next season if they're expecting a new central defender to come in and all our defensive woes will be solved.

Sakho, Lovren, Matip, Lucas, Klavan and Toure etc have all played and looked poor at times. Is it because they're all bad players or because we leave them exposed and unprotected.

Our problems are due to the system, until we balance the style of play our defence will continue to look poor.

Because none maybe matip and Sakho aside are good enough to be at a club who don't site deep and protect the back 4.

What about the set piece goals we conceded the last few years?

[Red Beret]

Absolutely okay with this.

It doesn't mean that he's now first choice. As others have pointed out, £100k p/w is the new £50-60k p/w in the current footballing landscape.

What he is though, is a perfectly adequate option, and we need more of those.

I agree.  Improving the overall quality of the squad means retaining decent players like Lovren.  Mass clear outs are counter productive.

[Funky_Gibbons]

Because none maybe matip and Sakho aside are good enough to be at a club who don't site deep and protect the back 4.

What about the set piece goals we conceded the last few years?

That's rubbish, Matip and Sakho (especially) have also made errors, rash decisions, poor decision making, they just don't get as much of a hard time about it.

What about set-piece goals, they're all Lovren are they?

[Lycan]

People are going to be in for shock next season if they're expecting a new central defender to come in and all our defensive woes will be solved.

Sakho, Lovren, Matip, Lucas, Klavan and Toure etc have all played and looked poor at times. Is it because they're all bad players or because we leave them exposed and unprotected.

Our problems are due to the system, until we balance the style of play our defence will continue to look poor.

About five or six people have already tried to explain that on here mate. But it's falling on deaf ears for those who want to moan about a player they've never liked and never wanted here in the first place.

Lovren isn't without his faults. He has cost us goals through lack of concentration or individual errors. I don't think anyone can deny that. He isn't the sole reason why we're so poor defensively though. None of our CB's are. The reason so many mistakes are made is because of like you said, the system we play. It asks a lot of our defenders. It's a difficult, thankless task being a defender in this Liverpool side that get's so little protection from their midfield. Especially on the counter.

You could put Tottenham's whole back four in our side and even though I believe it would be an improvement, I still think we'd concede more than what the current Spurs side have done at this point of the season.

[SerbianScouser]

Im happy with the news. I remember centre halfs getting 100k a week 15yrs ago. Crack on

Point is, club has calculated that they can afford 3 CBs on 100k+, so it's happy days. As far as 3rd CBs go Lovren will probably be as good as most of our rivals' 3rd CBs. Good stuff.

[plasterered]

Point is, club has calculated that they can afford 3 CBs on 100k+, so it's happy days. As far as 3rd CBs go Lovren will probably be as good as most of our rivals' 3rd CBs. Good stuff.

Exactly. Hes improved alot. Ok had a bad game last week fresh in the memory but i really dont think he is as bad a defender as people think.

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[Funky_Gibbons]

About five or six people have already tried to explain that on here mate. But it's falling on deaf ears for those who want to moan about a player they've never liked and never wanted here in the first place.

Lovren isn't without his faults. He has cost us goals through lack of concentration or individual errors. I don't think anyone can deny that. He isn't the sole reason why we're so poor defensively though. None of our CB's are. The reason so many mistakes are made is because of like you said, the system we play. It asks a lot of our defenders. It's a difficult, thankless task being a defender in this Liverpool side that get's so little protection from their midfield. Especially on the counter.

You could put Tottenham's whole back four in our side and even though I believe it would be an improvement, I still think we'd concede more than what the current Spurs side have done at this point of the season.

Spot on, especially the last bit. It's no coincidence Lovren's form at Southampton that prompted us to buy him was under Pochettino, a manager who sets his teams up well and gives his back four protection, that's why the Spurs centre backs looks so good. As you say, drop them into our defence and they be a nervous wreck too.

[Lycan]

Because none maybe matip and Sakho aside are good enough to be at a club who don't site deep and protect the back 4.

What about the set piece goals we conceded the last few years?

Both Matip and Sakho have been error prone themselves. Especially the latter when he was here. Funny how he's starting to look rock solid now he's in a side that is set-up not to get beat first and foremost though eh...

As for being shit at defending set-pieces, both Matip and Sakho have been part of those teams that have been so woeful at dealing with them as well.

[Caligula?]

I'm not too arsed. As long as we sign a new CB that can partner Matip, then Lovren would make a good third choice. The money's a bit too high though, and as others have expressed I'm not too fond of our club rewarding players based on fuck all. But hey, if they can afford it... I just don't want to see us being tightarses in the transfer market come summer when we're so generous with extending existing contracts.

[AaronSingh25]

Spot on, especially the last bit. It's no coincidence Lovren's form at Southampton that prompted us to buy him was under Pochettino, a manager who sets his teams up well and gives his back four protection, that's why the Spurs centre backs looks so good. As you say, drop them into our defence and they be a nervous wreck too.

Perhaps true.

But there are times Spurs, Chelsea and co chasing games - leaving the defenders exposed. And they still look more assured than our lot.

Matip whilst i believe isn't in great form is going to be afforded time. I've seen Lovren here now for 3 years, and whilst he has improved marginally under Klopp - he still far from the level we require. The sheer volume of mistakes he makes, erratic defending is endemic in his game.

Sure no problem having him as a squad player - but to upgrade his contract by almost 50% is utterly insane. The length of the contract is utterly baffling too.

[newterp]

I guess the hope is that we are def signing a top level CB to partner Matip? With Gomez as 4th choice (who I would loan so he can play and keep Klavan as 4th choice).

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

That in itself is a damming indictment of FSG. Happy to put up with mediocrity as it's the cheaper option.

It would be stupid to sell him. Then we'd need his replacement and another CB for depth. So yeah, I don't see how this strategy is cheaper

[Funky_Gibbons]

Perhaps true.

But there are times Spurs, Chelsea and co chasing games - leaving the defenders exposed. And they still look more assured than our lot.

Matip whilst i believe isn't in great form is going to be afforded time. I've seen Lovren here now for 3 years, and whilst he has improved marginally under Klopp - he still far from the level we require. The sheer volume of mistakes he makes, erratic defending is endemic in his game.

Sure no problem having him as a squad player - but to upgrade his contract by almost 50% is utterly insane. The length of the contract is utterly baffling too.

I'd be interested in seeing how often Chelsea and Spurs have been chasing games this season, they always offer their defence protection. You put Cahill (pace) and Luiz (take your pick) in our team do you honestly believe they'd be an improvements? I reckon Lovren in their team doesn't affect results too demonstrably.

[McSquared]

Personally, I don't think Lovren is good enough to be a first team player for Liverpool. He would be ok as a backup I suppose, but can't see why we would think paying 100k a week for a backup is a good idea. Unless he is seen as a first choice of course, but then that raises big questions for our upcoming window as we need to massively improve our defence.

[kingz]

People are going to be in for shock next season if they're expecting a new central defender to come in and all our defensive woes will be solved.

Sakho, Lovren, Matip, Lucas, Klavan and Toure etc have all played and looked poor at times. Is it because they're all bad players or because we leave them exposed and unprotected.

Our problems are due to the system, until we balance the style of play our defence will continue to look poor.

Ok then our system is great for attackers. If we have Redmond or Grosicki etc they will have the same impact as Mane ?.. why not ?..

And if our system leave the defenders exposed as you say why the club is paying £100k a week to a defender who is poor in 1v1 situations?..

[Funky_Gibbons]

Ok then our system is great for attackers. If we have Redmond or Grosicki etc they will have the same impact as Mane ?.. why not ?..

And if our system leave the defenders exposed as you say why the club is paying £100k a week to a defender who is poor in 1v1 situations?..

What the fuck does that first line mean?

You could easily ask why play a system that doesn't suit any of our defenders, in that case ask the manager.

[Lycan]

Ok then our system is great for attackers. If we have Redmond or Grosicki etc they will have the same impact as Mane ?.. why not ?..

That makes no sense at all.

[Johnnyboy1973]

That makes no sense at all.

The point is the quality of the defender is being pushing to one side as the reasoning is, any defender, whether it's Lovren or Hummels, would struggle in Klopps system.

[DangerScouse]

Why does anything critical always have to be agenda driven? If he consistently performed to a high standard, I'd be fucking thrilled, he doesn't though. That's mine and others view, it's a simply as that, nothing to do with who signed him, or from where.

If the club and Klopp are happy to pay him that, fine, but I'm praying he's not first choice next season.

[Beard]

No problem with this if he's starting on the bench next season. If he is a starter on the other hand then we are seriously lacking any ambition.

[SerbianScouser]

The point is the quality of the defender is being pushing to one side as the reasoning is, any defender, whether it's Lovren or Hummels, would struggle in Klopps system.

I don't think Matip is struggling in Klopp's system - nor Clyne, nor Milner. Matip's number of errors that led to shots or goals is negligible this season. And his defensive record in games he played is more than ok considering how much he played with the likes of Lucas and Klavan.

System can only do so much. Spurs conceded 53 goals before Alderweireld joined them. Same system.

The reality is that last season with having Skrtel and Lovren we needed two CBs not one.