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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #840 on: April 16, 2017, 05:38:29 pm »
Good for the constructors though. Thought Kimi might get Bottas today but alas for him

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #841 on: April 16, 2017, 05:38:51 pm »
Yeah, shot himself in the foot did Lewis. Such a silly penalty to commit.
Not sure it would have changed much as he'd have been sitting behind Bottas for longer than five seconds if he'd driven at normal speed in the pit lane.
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #842 on: April 16, 2017, 06:08:37 pm »
Bull shit

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #843 on: April 16, 2017, 06:31:44 pm »
Bull shit

Bet on vandoorne to be first retirement. And a McLaren to be first out. Pp only refunded it.

He was out before the race started though. Same with Johnson last week at the masters with anyone betting on him being refunded.
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #844 on: April 16, 2017, 07:36:10 pm »
McLaren have as many "DNS'" as they do race finishes.

Embarrassing.

Mercedes again a little weak on strategy and overall race management, along with things falling just nicely for Vettel who has basically been inch perfect so far on race days. Feels like another day where Merc should have come away with a win, and managed to let it slip through their fingers. Shame for Bottas that a tyre pressure issue stunted his early pace, but even after it was clear Hamilton was much quicker today. Theres a fairly large gap appearing at both Mercedes and Ferrari between their number 1 and number 2 drivers, both Hamilton and Vettel clearly superior but the one at Ferrari is the most surprising, Kimi hasnt looked near Seb so far, hopefully he will pick it up soon.
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #845 on: April 16, 2017, 09:01:12 pm »
Only caught bits and pieces of the race so don't know how it happened, but Perez yet again with a great result. Would love to see him in a better car
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #846 on: April 16, 2017, 10:41:44 pm »
McLaren have as many "DNS'" as they do race finishes.

Embarrassing.

Mercedes again a little weak on strategy and overall race management, along with things falling just nicely for Vettel who has basically been inch perfect so far on race days. Feels like another day where Merc should have come away with a win, and managed to let it slip through their fingers. Shame for Bottas that a tyre pressure issue stunted his early pace, but even after it was clear Hamilton was much quicker today. Theres a fairly large gap appearing at both Mercedes and Ferrari between their number 1 and number 2 drivers, both Hamilton and Vettel clearly superior but the one at Ferrari is the most surprising, Kimi hasnt looked near Seb so far, hopefully he will pick it up soon.

I think your being a bit unfair on Botas considering it's a new team for him, and his performances have not been bad by any standard- he's up against a 3 time world champion whose been at the team for years. Kimi definitely has to pick up the pace, right now he's getting his arse handed to him - but I would also argue with both Vettel and Hamilton they may not officially be Numbers 1's within their team but I would say that they are in reality and when the car is designed it is more with these guys in mind then Kimi and Botas.
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #847 on: April 16, 2017, 10:59:24 pm »
This is the best season I can remember in ages! There's also the potential for the Red Bulls to catch up through development because as Pat Symonds has pointed out, theirs is the simplest design which theoretically has room for the most improvement. If Red Bull can close up to within a few tenths off the leaders then it could get even better.
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #848 on: April 17, 2017, 02:41:37 am »
McLaren have as many "DNS'" as they do race finishes.

Embarrassing.

Mercedes again a little weak on strategy and overall race management, along with things falling just nicely for Vettel who has basically been inch perfect so far on race days. Feels like another day where Merc should have come away with a win, and managed to let it slip through their fingers. Shame for Bottas that a tyre pressure issue stunted his early pace, but even after it was clear Hamilton was much quicker today. Theres a fairly large gap appearing at both Mercedes and Ferrari between their number 1 and number 2 drivers, both Hamilton and Vettel clearly superior but the one at Ferrari is the most surprising, Kimi hasnt looked near Seb so far, hopefully he will pick it up soon.

 I don't think that Mercedes could have done much different on race strategy to be honest.  Ferrari - at least in Seb's case - simply had them covered off once he got past Hamilton in the first corner.  Not having a working backup generator to be able to bleed Bottas' tyres seems a bit 'amateur night' though. 

As for Vettel, I can't agree that things 'fell nicely for him'.  The timing of the safety car wasn't as catostrophic as last time out, but he'd still have been a lot further up the road without it, so it deffo aided Merc.  I think that he won despite the way things went rather than because of them.  I don't think that the 5 second penalty being mentioned in this thread would have made a difference to the result either. As you say though, Seb has been great on race days so far.  Had Lewis driven that race the sycophants at Sky would've been creaming themselves.

 As for Mclaren, yeah I agree, it's embarrasing.  They need to find a way out of the mess with Honda.  Alonso?... I think that he'll move to indy next year unless the unlikely happens and he gets a seat with a front-running team in F1.
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #849 on: April 17, 2017, 08:28:47 am »
I think your being a bit unfair on Botas considering it's a new team for him, and his performances have not been bad by any standard- he's up against a 3 time world champion whose been at the team for years. Kimi definitely has to pick up the pace, right now he's getting his arse handed to him - but I would also argue with both Vettel and Hamilton they may not officially be Numbers 1's within their team but I would say that they are in reality and when the car is designed it is more with these guys in mind then Kimi and Botas.

Was I? I just said he wasnt on Hamiltons pace, I dont think thats overly harsh, the gap between Seb and Kimi is larger so I'd say Bottas has done pretty well for himself so far.

I don't think that Mercedes could have done much different on race strategy to be honest.  Ferrari - at least in Seb's case - simply had them covered off once he got past Hamilton in the first corner.  Not having a working backup generator to be able to bleed Bottas' tyres seems a bit 'amateur night' though. 

As for Vettel, I can't agree that things 'fell nicely for him'.  The timing of the safety car wasn't as catostrophic as last time out, but he'd still have been a lot further up the road without it, so it deffo aided Merc.  I think that he won despite the way things went rather than because of them.  I don't think that the 5 second penalty being mentioned in this thread would have made a difference to the result either. As you say though, Seb has been great on race days so far.  Had Lewis driven that race the sycophants at Sky would've been creaming themselves.

Once it was clear Bottas was slowing the pack with his pressure issue, Merc couldve been as bold as Ferrari to find a gap and undercut Hamilton, but it wouldve been a gamble. The safety car worked out for him mainly because it meant Merc had to stack. He'd already got Bottas on the undercut, but stacking meant Hamilton got caught up behind, and he then compounded his mistake trying to get a gap and earning himself a penalty. Effectively it kept his one real challenger a few cars behind, when there couldve been an opportunity for Hamilton to challenge him.

I think it was a perfect race from Vettels perspective, and Merc not having a great day at the office meant he could snatch a win he probably shouldnt have done. Merc will be kicking themselves.
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #850 on: April 17, 2017, 09:33:26 am »
Was I? I just said he wasnt on Hamiltons pace, I dont think thats overly harsh, the gap between Seb and Kimi is larger so I'd say Bottas has done pretty well for himself so far.

Once it was clear Bottas was slowing the pack with his pressure issue, Merc couldve been as bold as Ferrari to find a gap and undercut Hamilton, but it wouldve been a gamble. The safety car worked out for him mainly because it meant Merc had to stack. He'd already got Bottas on the undercut, but stacking meant Hamilton got caught up behind, and he then compounded his mistake trying to get a gap and earning himself a penalty. Effectively it kept his one real challenger a few cars behind, when there couldve been an opportunity for Hamilton to challenge him.

I think it was a perfect race from Vettels perspective, and Merc not having a great day at the office meant he could snatch a win he probably shouldnt have done. Merc will be kicking themselves.

I don't believe Vettel snatched anything though. Vettel was faster the whole race, even on the start he was closer to bottas than hamilton was closer to vettel. Hamilton might of been catching seb in the latter stages but Vettel was simply managing the pace.

For me Mercedes don't know how to react with a real competitor that isn't one of their own. They are so used to calling strategies between there own drivers that they don't know what to do to counter or stay one step ahead of the opposition because they've been so use to having no competition bar inter-team stuff.

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #851 on: April 17, 2017, 07:01:34 pm »
Sainz pinged for that crash.  Had to be, could have had the book thrown at him for that attempt, far too far back.

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Carlos Sainz has been handed a three-place grid penalty for the Russian Grand Prix for his accident with Lance Stroll in the Bahrain Formula 1 race.

The Spaniard and the Canadian made contact at Turn 1 on lap 13 of the race as Sainz emerged from the pits, forcing both cars to retire and triggering a safety car period.

Both drivers blamed each other for the crash and were summoned to see the stewards after the race.

The stewards found Sainz was at fault for what they labelled a "very optimistic attempt" at passing Stroll and the Spanish driver will drop three places on the grid in the next race in Russia.

He was also awarded two penalty points for a total of seven over the past 12 months.

"The stewards heard from Carlos Sainz, the driver of car 55, Lance Stroll, the driver of car 18 and the team representatives, reviewed the video evidence which showed that car 18 was on the normal racing line, car 55 left the pitlane and made a very optimistic attempt to pass car 18 into the corner," said the verdict on the incident.

"The stewards decided that the driver of car 55 was predominately to blame for causing the collision in violation of Article 27.4 of the FIA Formula 1 Sporting Regulations.

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #852 on: April 18, 2017, 05:44:56 am »
Was I? I just said he wasnt on Hamiltons pace, I dont think thats overly harsh, the gap between Seb and Kimi is larger so I'd say Bottas has done pretty well for himself so far.

Once it was clear Bottas was slowing the pack with his pressure issue, Merc couldve been as bold as Ferrari to find a gap and undercut Hamilton, but it wouldve been a gamble. The safety car worked out for him mainly because it meant Merc had to stack. He'd already got Bottas on the undercut, but stacking meant Hamilton got caught up behind, and he then compounded his mistake trying to get a gap and earning himself a penalty. Effectively it kept his one real challenger a few cars behind, when there couldve been an opportunity for Hamilton to challenge him.

I think it was a perfect race from Vettels perspective, and Merc not having a great day at the office meant he could snatch a win he probably shouldnt have done. Merc will be kicking themselves.

 There was no gap at that point though to undercut Hamilton.  He would've come out in heavy traffic and had his race completely compromised.  True Merc had to stack because of the safety car, but without it Seb would have been much further up the road.  I don't think that the safety car was a major factor either way, but do feel that Mercedes benefited more than Ferrari. 

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #853 on: April 18, 2017, 08:41:49 am »
I don't believe Vettel snatched anything though. Vettel was faster the whole race, even on the start he was closer to bottas than hamilton was closer to vettel. Hamilton might of been catching seb in the latter stages but Vettel was simply managing the pace.

He snatched it away in the sense that Mercedes shouldn't have lost that race. 1-2 on the grid with the race pace to win from there, Vettel stole it from them with impeccable driving. to be honest I dont think the latter stages he was managing anything other than trying to go as consistently fast as possible, Hamilton on much fresher rubber wouldve had him on toast if the gap hadnt been 19 seconds or whatever it was.
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #854 on: April 19, 2017, 07:18:55 pm »
There was a young lad called billy monger had a dreadful accident in formula 4

He's had to have both legs amputated. Not posting a link to the crash but you can donate here to fund his treatment.

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« Reply #855 on: April 19, 2017, 07:32:09 pm »
There was a young lad called billy monger had a dreadful accident in formula 4

He's had to have both legs amputated. Not posting a link to the crash but you can donate here to fund his treatment.

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #856 on: April 19, 2017, 07:34:59 pm »
I saw that crash the other day, it's a miracle he's alive to be honest. Best wishes to him.
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« Reply #857 on: April 19, 2017, 10:32:40 pm »
I saw it too. No way he could avoid it

Devastating accident.  All things considered, absolutely wonderful news that he's alive - there was barely a moment to react and the force was massive.

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #858 on: April 28, 2017, 03:01:40 pm »
Ferrari looking good in practice, in a race experts thought Mercedes would dominate

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #859 on: April 29, 2017, 01:13:43 pm »
Ferrari look on it alright.
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #860 on: April 29, 2017, 01:39:48 pm »
Never seen much in Jolyon Palmer. Looked a poor mistake in Q1. Worry I might be a little overly harsh on him, to offset the ridiculous overrating he gets in coverage as he's British, but really can't see much.

Having said that, his last quali was the best driving I remember seeing from him - so I'm being uber critical! Will find out more tomorrow

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #861 on: April 29, 2017, 01:50:20 pm »
Never seen much in Jolyon Palmer. Looked a poor mistake in Q1. Worry I might be a little overly harsh on him, to offset the ridiculous overrating he gets in coverage as he's British, but really can't see much.

Having said that, his last quali was the best driving I remember seeing from him - so I'm being uber critical! Will find out more tomorrow
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« Reply #862 on: April 29, 2017, 01:50:35 pm »
Never seen much in Jolyon Palmer. Looked a poor mistake in Q1. Worry I might be a little overly harsh on him, to offset the ridiculous overrating he gets in coverage as he's British, but really can't see much.

Having said that, his last quali was the best driving I remember seeing from him - so I'm being uber critical! Will find out more tomorrow

from what I've seen and read, he's not a fast learner. it takes him a while to get to grips with changes but to his credit he does get there.

he got stronger as the year went on last year and I think it took him a few years to win gp2 as well.

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #863 on: April 29, 2017, 02:03:44 pm »
Can't even remember the last time there was no Mercedes on the front row of the grid.
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #864 on: April 29, 2017, 02:04:55 pm »
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #865 on: April 29, 2017, 02:07:37 pm »
Woohoo!!  Seb pole, Ferrari front row. 


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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #866 on: April 29, 2017, 02:08:51 pm »
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #867 on: April 29, 2017, 02:13:11 pm »
I can't stand Ferrari but F1 needs someone pushing the Mercs so i can't begrudge their turn around this season as the sport needs it.

Be interesting to see how Mercedes react now as they are in new territory now being under pressure as it looks like Ferrari have the full package for qualy and race trim.

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #868 on: April 29, 2017, 02:15:31 pm »
Yeah boi!!!

Bottas put Hamilton in the shade again there in quali

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #869 on: April 29, 2017, 02:17:22 pm »
Gutted for Raikkonen, looked set to improve on his fastest lap. Would have loved a Finn on pole in Russia. Still, glad he's performed well as he'd been under a bit of pressure.

Third sectors from Mercedes looked pretty ugly, surely Vettel wins tomorrow. For the spectacle, Vettel staying 3rd to fight with Hamilton in 4th might have made the race a bit better tomorrow. Still, can't wait. Loving this season
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #870 on: April 29, 2017, 02:18:50 pm »
Bottas put Hamilton in the shade again there in quali

Was watching C4 today, so a bit less extreme than Sky, but I'm enjoying this. At Bahrain the commentators were saying "at what point does Bottas start to feel demoralised about never getting close to Hamilton". That's two races in a row Bottas has beaten him ha

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #871 on: April 29, 2017, 02:19:33 pm »
Those last laps. Not a single error-free S3 between the four of them.

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #872 on: April 29, 2017, 02:27:58 pm »
Gutted for Raikkonen, looked set to improve on his fastest lap. Would have loved a Finn on pole in Russia. Still, glad he's performed well as he'd been under a bit of pressure.

Third sectors from Mercedes looked pretty ugly, surely Vettel wins tomorrow. For the spectacle, Vettel staying 3rd to fight with Hamilton in 4th might have made the race a bit better tomorrow. Still, can't wait. Loving this season

Karun mentioned in comms about the Mercedes having a longer wheelbase and therefor those trickier final corners might suit ferrari a bit more as opposed to Mercedes, I also think the tyres operate better for Ferrari and maybe the Mercedes can't string a consistent whole lap together here.

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« Reply #873 on: April 30, 2017, 12:28:52 pm »
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #874 on: April 30, 2017, 12:30:04 pm »
Eddie Jordan - Hamilton is bigger then Senna and Schumacher

The hyperbole knows no end when there is a decent British driver

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #875 on: April 30, 2017, 01:03:34 pm »
:lmao

McLaren breaks down on the formation lap
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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #876 on: April 30, 2017, 01:03:44 pm »
Alonso doesn't even get to start

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #877 on: April 30, 2017, 01:03:52 pm »
Just fuck off McLaren

Your even ruining other people's races now as well as your own

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #878 on: April 30, 2017, 01:05:10 pm »
Alonso is a egostistical tool. :no

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Re: 2017 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #879 on: April 30, 2017, 01:08:20 pm »
Great start by bottas!

Safety car already

No surprise to see palmer involved