Topic: Gareth Southgate: England's substitute teacher

[cornelius]

My missus was talking to him the other day as he was at the Everton match. She said he seemed like quite a nice bloke.

Oh I don't doubt his loveliness. His lad plays in one of the older age groups at my boys' football club and all of our coaches are totally smitten with him. Still a massive loser though.

[IgorBobbins]

What is it with pretty much every single pundit I hear recommending Glen Hoddle for the job? Does he have photos of all of them in comprimising situations or something? 

[pyroparty]

What is it with pretty much every single pundit I hear recommending Glen Hoddle for the job? Does he have photos of all of them in comprimising situations or something? 

Yeah his reputation is weird, he seems to have this rep as amazing coach, football man who if he'd got the job England would play great football despite him doing nothing in the game for years and years. Anytime he commentates he comes across as a complete dinosaur too, berating goalies or defenders playing it short instead of "getting rid" etc. It's weird. He's a myth.

[Kekule]

What is it with pretty much every single pundit I hear recommending Glen Hoddle for the job? Does he have photos of all of them in comprimising situations or something? 

Well at least he can trusted to not say something stupid to a reporter resulting in him getting the sack...

...oh, wait.

[Carlito Roberto]

He's nothing if not charismatic.

Finally England have appointed a formidable leader who will shake up the English game to it's very core.

[MagicHat]

In the circumstances, whoever was U21 manager coming in was the right choice, whether Southgate should be U21 manager is another matter. I don't expect him to be trying to impose his own ideas here, he will be careful to keep players and FA onside till he can be replaced.

[Funky_Gibbons]

In the circumstances, whoever was U21 manager coming in was the right choice, whether Southgate should be U21 manager is another matter. I don't expect him to be trying to impose his own ideas here, he will be careful to keep players and FA onside till he can be replaced.

I've been to see England U21's a couple of times a they've played some really good, attacking football. They also won the Toulon U21 tournament for the first time in over twenty years over the summer.

Don't see why there would be a discussion whether he should be U21 manager at all. 

 

[MagicHat]

Plenty on here aren't fans so I assume there will be plenty of answers but allows Boothroyd as U20 manager, group stage in Euro's and when I did watch the U21's (awhile back granted), the attacking wasn't much better then the Pearce era. I'm glad he has improved by the sounds of it though

[MichaelA]

There is very little in the way of expectation on him, and the debacle with Allardyce also lifts some pressure off the players. Southgate doesn't have any of the baggage that comes with a big name manager, and he is potentially in a better position to manage the talent within the squad. The tabloid press don't take him seriously, so if he drops Rooney, etc, and takes some other "risky" decisions that work out, then he may end up in a position of strength. I think the England players may perform surprisingly well for him.

[mc_red22]

There is very little in the way of expectation on him, and the debacle with Allardyce also lifts some pressure off the players. Southgate doesn't have any of the baggage that comes with a big name manager, and he is potentially in a better position to manage the talent within the squad. The tabloid press don't take him seriously, so if he drops Rooney, etc, and takes some other "risky" decisions that work out, then he may end up in a position of strength. I think the England players may perform surprisingly well for him.

There's no chance he drops Rooney. He doesn't have the balls to make such a sensible decision.

[PhilV]

Glen Johnson gets his first call up in two years, Glen Johnson. Jagielka in the squad too, Southgate going for the "safe" experienced choices  over youth despite having been the U21 manager for the last three years.

This.

You'd think this lemon would know who are the kids who should be making it at the top, replacing the old guard ready for the next WC etc... seems that he doesn't want to bear the burden if you will.

Spineless like all England managers, fits the bill I guess

[Aceldama]

Glen Johnson has withdrawn from the squad through injury, Michael Keane has been called up instead. Southgate got there eventually.

[Ziltoid]

Johnson wouldnt have had a sniff of playing so why not get in a young lad who wont have a sniff but at least gets experience.

[reddebs]

He's been hiding from the pressure of club footy since being sacked by Middlesbrough in 2009, working in a nice safe, cosy envirionment at the FA, away from the spotlight, criticism and the need to get results. 

Just 3 months ago he ruled himself out of the main job saying he wasn't ready.  After 7 years on the job training, according to the famous "FAs blueprint for success, he's not ready?  How much fucking time does he need?

The guys a coward plain and simple!

[Andy G]

I hope he does well and gets the job on a permanent basis.  He is not the most charismatic of managers in front of the camera's, but he might be different behind the scenes and I have heard that he is.  His brand of football with 'Boro' was reasonable and I am not sure that he is an FA yes man, based purely on his refusal to take the job on an interim basis last time.  He also seems a decent sort and his press conferences do not have the usual bullshit in.

I am not England fan by any stretch of the imagination, and have not been since the early 90's, but if Southgate gets them playing positive football, that could all change.

[Walshy nMe®]

I like him to be honest. Seems to understand the game and has his teams playing the right way.  Not a big name manager by any means but the fa could do a lot worse than Southgate.

[SnookerStick]

Just another yes man. I remember the U21 failure under him at some tournament, particularly, the abysmal football on show.

[sinnermichael]

How the hell have Wembley managed to sell 88,000 tickets for a game against Malta after that tripe that England served up in the summer?

I see Gary Cahill missed England training with a "sore throat". Who said footballers have gone soft?

[Zabier]

Sky Sports News HQ Verified account ‏@SkySportsNewsHQ 2h2 hours ago

BREAKING: England interim manager Gareth Southgate says Wayne Rooney and Theo Walcott will start against Malta tomorrow.


Shock horror, namely Rooney ofc

[Aceldama]

I don't know if there's an Owl thread still knocking around but this quote from Gary Neville about their selection policy is illuminating:

“We didn’t pick Mark Noble, even though he might have been in better form than Ross Barkley, because we invested in Ross Barkley,” he said. “He was our man, he was the person who was the most talented player.

“We didn’t pick Danny Drinkwater over Jack Wilshere because we had faith in the ability of Jack Wilshere.

“That’s not to say no-one can break in, but when you go down the route of investing in John Stones, you can’t then pick Phil Jagielka over John Stones for the tournament. You have to invest in John Stones, even though Phil Jagielka might be in better form.”

Promoting talented young players is good, giving them a special unassailable place in the squad because they're "projects" isn't. Only two days ago Oxlade-Chamberlain was quoted saying being dropped by Sam Allardyce was a big wake up call and a message that he needed to improve when before he just expected to be picked by England whenever he was fit.

[TheShanklyGates]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10608930/wayne-rooney-theo-walcott-to-start-for-england-says-gareth-southgate

Says he'll be starting Wayne Rooney then in the next breath says it's important to select players who are in good form. It's beyond parody, it really is.

[idontknow]

Sky Sports News HQ Verified account ‏@SkySportsNewsHQ 2h2 hours ago

BREAKING: England interim manager Gareth Southgate says Wayne Rooney and Theo Walcott will start against Malta tomorrow.


Shock horror, namely Rooney ofc

See, I always said it was worth sticking around with the manager to the very end of the morning when everyone else has fucked off. It's that willingness to be there for the last large one for the road that gets you the games in the end. Carrying manager up to bed is the real test of reliability, stalwartness, and having a laugh. Just feel sorry for Erik the bar manager, who is currently locked in for a surprise debut as centre back with his new friends, having kept the bar open a little longer and given them some free crisps.

[outlaw_nas]

Why did capello fail as England manager with his track record?

[12C]

Terry Venables.

Sir Joe Mercer

[idontknow]

Why did capello fail as England manager with his track record?

He didn't understand that envelopes are not just for Christmas.

[Chris~]

Why did capello fail as England manager with his track record?

He was pretty much finished as a top manager

There's probably 15 players that he can pick from that could make a fun team, but not sure that he'll go that way or gave them available.

Hart clyne/walker stones smalling rose dier henderson alli sterling lallana/walcott vardy/kane. Something like that could be a really good pressing team.

[CrasherKid79]

Why did capello fail as England manager with his track record?

Because every manager has since 1966?

[sinnermichael]

Lingard starting. Jesus wept.

[BeautifulGame91]

Rooney playing CM

[redbyrdz]

What time is kick-off?

[Hazell]

Rooney playing CM

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

[Fiasco]

Rooney will look great against poor opposition and everyone will wax lyrical about him.

[Gerry Attrick]

Playing Lingard is basically an admission that we're dogshit and may as well embrace it. I know he wouldn't be playing if Sterling was available but giving Lingard a game ahead of Antonio is an insult. 

[ThePeetmix]

Sums up the state of England's centre-mids and centre-backs when Rooney and Cahill are both playing.

Also Bertrand over Rose is a strange choice.

[Gerry Attrick]

Sums up the state of England's centre-mids and centre-backs when Rooney and Cahill are both playing.

Also Bertrand over Rose is a strange choice.

From Terry, Ferdinand, Carra and King to Stones, Smalling, Cahill and Keane.

[pyroparty]

Southgate being a shithouse in a game v Malta, christ! Still, should win about 5-0 anyway v a team of bums and the media will say he's a new Guardiola.

[oojason]

What time is kick-off?

5pm kick off mate - live on ITV


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[Miltonred]

Southgate tells players to be brave, but then picks Rooney as a midfielder and selects Lingard over Rashford. Dick head.

[redgriffin73]

There is a Dab Cam at Wembley today. Shoot me now.

[ThePeetmix]

There is a Dab Cam at Wembley today. Shoot me now.

Fuck my life.