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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1320 on: April 16, 2017, 06:39:13 pm »
Spurs stay at -5
City up to -10
Liverpool stay on -13

Top 4 looks like a done deal now barring a huge collapse.
No no no.  How many times do I have to explain the the law of mockers in here?

We're clear underdogs to finish fourth.  Especially with the quality of performance Man Utd are able to put together like today.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1321 on: April 16, 2017, 06:42:40 pm »
We're clear underdogs to finish fourth.  Especially with the quality of performance Man Utd are able to put together like today.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1322 on: April 17, 2017, 10:06:17 pm »



After this weekend (including Arsenal's win tonight):

Chelsea     +1
Spurs        - 5
Man City   -10
Liverpool  -13
United      -17
Arsenal    -18

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1323 on: April 18, 2017, 12:42:04 am »
After this weekend (including Arsenal's win tonight):

Chelsea     +1
Spurs        - 5
Man City   -10
Liverpool  -13
United      -17
Arsenal    -18

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1325 on: April 18, 2017, 11:28:19 am »
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1326 on: April 18, 2017, 11:28:57 am »
APLT Analysis & Extrapolations : Round 33
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1327 on: April 18, 2017, 11:29:38 am »
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1329 on: April 18, 2017, 06:18:29 pm »
Great opportunity to play above par for the remaining 5 games but I'll take par. Our form is good so let's see this home redmen!

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1330 on: April 18, 2017, 11:17:27 pm »
For all the talk of Chelsea's loss blowing the title race wide open, it hasn't affected the APLT too much.

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« Reply #1331 on: April 19, 2017, 12:03:38 am »
For all the talk of Chelsea's loss blowing the title race wide open, it hasn't affected the APLT too much.
Well, a Chelsea win would have put them on +4 and all but sealed the title, so it would have made a big difference had they won that.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1332 on: April 19, 2017, 11:49:20 am »
I think going forwards the curent top 6 need to be the APLT top 6 for ranking even if one or two of them fall outside the top 6 in real life.

Leicester's title win has broken the felegation model (as we are allowing par zero), but has had less effect on the top 4 model.

The problem is that at the onset of this relegation APLT we arbitrarily decided to rejig the team's positions and with good reason. This model is a lot more sensitive than the actual APLT, and it was a bad season to start it what with Chelsea's and Leicester's standing the season before being so unusual.

I'll stick with 2nd version for the rest of the season -seeing as it's nearly over - as per my last post regarding the Relegation APLT. It's probably best not to keep chopping and changing the rankings around from one week to another as it's confusing enough as it is already for everybody looking in. Remember that this is still in it's infancy. Let's analyse and revise it after the season has finished.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1333 on: April 19, 2017, 05:45:29 pm »
Well, we won't have to put up with a Leicester situation for a while again.

I think the Par Zero idea seems to have merit.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1334 on: April 21, 2017, 02:56:19 pm »
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The title race is either hotting up or it's all over bar the shouting, depending on who you listen to, but it's an interesting weekend-and-most-of-the-following-week for the APLT.

With nobody of consequence playing in the league on Saturday, the APLT action begins on Sunday lunchtime as Manchester United travel to Burnley. After a positive start to the season, racking up wins over Liverpool and Everton and holding Manchester United to a draw at Old Trafford, the wheels seem to have come off the Claret wagon, and they are currently on a run of just one win in ten league games. Burnley are a far better prospect at their home ground, with an impressive 10 wins from 16 making them the 6th best side in the league on home form, contrasting with their terrible travels where the draw at Old Trafford constituting a full quarter of ALL the points they have gained on the road. United are depleted after their exertions in the Europa League, and with talismanic striker Ibrahimovic joining more or less their entire defence on the bench, they could have a difficult afternoon in trying to maintain their current -17 standing. Despite the Claret's rich vein of home form (they have 2 more points from 16 games played at Turf Moor than United have from 17 at Old Trafford) this is a Par 3 game for the Red Devils. It is one they should win, with Burnley virtually assured Premier League survival while they are chasing down a Champions League spot, the visitors should at least be the more motivated side here.

Burnley v Manchester United (Par 3)
Burnley win: MNU -20
Draw: MNU -18
Man Utd win: MNU -17

Following that match, Liverpool host Crystal Palace at Anfield. Matches between these two are rarely dull, from the late-80s swashbuckling 9-0 demolition, to the 5-0 smashing in 92 or the 6-1 pounding in 94. But things have not always gone Liverpool's way, Palace have had revenge in games like the notorious "Crystanbul" 3-3 match, when Brendan Rodgers side set out to close down the goal difference gap to Manchester City and ended up conceding thrice, which was ultimately hugely damaging to the Reds' title hopes in 2014. Palace have actually won 3 of the 5 league meetings of the two since that day.

On this season's form, Palace are not to be taken lightly either, with the 8th best away record in the Premier League (P16 W5 D3 L8). They will be without loanee Mama Sakho who has rapidly made himself a vital fixture in their back line, but forward Christian Benteke had a good record against the Reds before moving to the club, and now may have something of a point to prove. Liverpool may also be without several key defenders, with Joe Gomez possibly getting the nod for a return to action in a central defensive role.

As a home game, it's a Par 3 for the Reds, who are already 6 points better off than last season in the trad table. A win would put Jurgen Klopp's men just 2 points behind Tottenham Hotspur, having played 2 more.

Liverpool v Crystal Palace
Liverpool win: LFC -13
Draw: LFC -15
Palace win: LFC -16

Then ahead to Tuesday, where leaders Chelsea will entertain Southampton at Stamford Bridge. Any slip up here will undoubtedly signal a media melt down, with Chelsea's strong position being heavily downplayed in favour of the drama of a late surge by Spurs. (A "Spurge", if you will.) In reality, it's hard to see anyone catching Chelsea now, and Spurs simply aren't very good at that sort of thing. Southampton are not to be taken lightly, however. They have a similar away form to Palace, although they are essentially only playing for the chance to beat Watford to 9th place at this point. They have taken just 2 points from games against the top 6 in the league this season, but showed in their EPL Cup run that they can surprise.

It's a par 3 match for Chelsea, who can extend their trad table lead to 7 points with a win.

Chelsea v Southampton
Chelsea win: CHE +1
Draw: CHE -1
Saints win: CHE -2

Wednesday night sees Arsenal take on Champions Leicester City. The Gunners are by all accounts, in full-on crisis mode at this point, and anything could happen here. The Trad table has them 7 points from 4th (albeit with a game in hand) and the APLT has them 5 behind. All they can do for now is try to beat Leicester. But that's not as easy as it was. Leicester have 5 wins and a draw from their last 7 in the Premier League, and having been eliminated from the Champions League, the game against Arsenal is the first of 3 glamour fixtures in their run-in as champions, with Spurs and Man City to come. Anything but a win for Arsenal and the Champions League will be nothing but a memory for both sides next season. And it's a Par 3 for Arsenal.

Arsenal v Leicester City (Par 3)
Arsenal win: ARS -18
Draw: ARS -20
Leicester win: LEI -21

Spurs also visit Palace on Wednesday night. Sakho should be back, and rested, for this one. It's a simple job for Spurs. They want to win, either to close the gap to Chelsea, or just to stay mathematically in contention. Otherwise, they might need to start looking over their shoulders. Spurs currently sit on a run of 7 consecutive wins, their best such run in recent history. If they can extend that run then they will at least be answering the criticism that they failed to put together enough winning runs of games to really challenge last season. It's a Par 3 match for Spurs, with games against Arsenal and Manchester United on the horizon, it's one they will definitely need to win.

Crystal Palace v Tottenham Hotspur (Par 3)
Palace win: SPU - 8
Draw: SPU -7
Spurs win: SPU -5

Finally, Thursday sees the Manchester derby arrive at last. As two sets of gobby fans with nasal accents and nervous sisters gather to watch their teams not fight it out for the Premier League title, like everyone predicted. Mourinho v Guardiola is now a bigger fixture than these two once-great clubs, and most of the coverage will probably be over off-field matters, which is probably just as well as both sides are playing like they think the pitch is covered in dogshit. A classic for fans of the beautiful game? Of course it is. That's why it's on a Thursday. And at stake? A place in next season's Thursday cup, no less! Whoever loses here will be declared unfit for top flight continental competition.
In reality, of course, the trad table shows this as a close race, but the APLT has it more or less sewn up in City's favour, with a win here possibly opening the APLT gap to 13 points between the two, dependent on United's result at Burnley. United's game in hand may start to look less of the advantage people assume it to be and more of an albatross as the fixtures pile up from here on in. The APLT table tells you all you need to know about the form of these two, but for the record:

City have 30 points from 15 home games (W8 D6) while United have 30 points from 14 away games (W9 D3)

Whatever the result of the Manchester derby, Liverpool will be the real beneficiaries. Which is a lovely thing.

Manchester City v Manchester United (Par 3 for City, Par 1 for United)
City win: MNC -10, MNU* -23, -21, -20
Draw: MNC -12, MNU* -20, -18, -17
United win: MNC -13, MNU* -18, -16, -15



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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1335 on: April 21, 2017, 09:52:13 pm »
Nice write up. Thanks Nessy.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1336 on: April 22, 2017, 01:48:24 am »
Burnley and ManU draw, ManU on -19?


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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1337 on: April 22, 2017, 11:35:56 am »
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1338 on: April 23, 2017, 09:24:07 pm »
Spurs stay at -5
City up to -10
Liverpool stay on -13

Top 4 looks like a done deal now barring a huge collapse.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1340 on: April 23, 2017, 10:12:33 pm »
One loss is a "huge collapse"?

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1341 on: April 24, 2017, 11:55:13 am »
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« Reply #1342 on: April 24, 2017, 11:55:57 am »
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« Reply #1343 on: April 24, 2017, 11:56:43 am »
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1344 on: April 25, 2017, 02:24:59 pm »
One loss is a "huge collapse"?

The collective sphincters of RAWK may indeed have suffered a "huge collapse".
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1345 on: April 26, 2017, 09:42:32 pm »
I'd like third place, but I guess fourth place is the best we can hope for at the moment.

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« Reply #1346 on: April 26, 2017, 09:46:59 pm »
Arsenals next two games? Tottenham and Manchester United...
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1347 on: April 27, 2017, 07:54:15 am »
Arsenals next two games? Tottenham and Manchester United...
Good, I can see them losing to Spurs and beating United.

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« Reply #1348 on: April 27, 2017, 12:38:03 pm »
Good, I can see them losing to Spurs and beating United.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1349 on: April 27, 2017, 04:13:47 pm »
this has prob been asked but just so im clear...

what results benefits us the most tonight?? Im guessing from best to worst: City win, draw, united win?

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1350 on: April 27, 2017, 04:19:26 pm »
Yep, anything other than a City win and both teams can finish above us if we all win all remaining games (won't happen, but still...)

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1351 on: April 27, 2017, 07:10:29 pm »
Relegation APLT: Week 34
 
Word of warning - as I alluded to at the beginning, my table extracts and updates the results from the web, up till now that hasn't posed any issues, however postponed games (once played) are allocated to their original week. The upshot is that my relegation table - although correct - is not chronological.

   

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1352 on: April 27, 2017, 11:48:10 pm »
I think the relegation model is looking good.

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« Reply #1354 on: April 28, 2017, 08:19:40 am »
Hope there..
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Think that's pretty much what places the teams will all finish in.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1356 on: April 28, 2017, 08:36:57 am »
So, once again, 71 points may be enough after all...
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1357 on: April 28, 2017, 08:49:28 am »
been avoiding this as it's so painful for the last 3 months....

anyway the results have been showing that the APLT is a really great tool, and it is providing another perspective to the top 4 fight, as an alternative to the top 4 run-in discussion.

us being on -16, with man utd and ars on -17 and -18 is an accurate reflection of the top 4 fight as of now in my opinion. now let's just carry this lead to the end of the season!

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #1358 on: April 28, 2017, 11:02:41 am »
So, once again, 71 points may be enough after all...

Time will tell.... let's not forget that the extra game that Man U and Arsenal have to play is Southampton away (a Par 1), which if they both win it, puts them above the 71 point line.

Let's hope you're right though.

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« Reply #1359 on: April 30, 2017, 04:07:32 pm »
Time will tell.... let's not forget that the extra game that Man U and Arsenal have to play is Southampton away (a Par 1), which if they both win it, puts them above the 71 point line.

Let's hope you're right though.

I don't think that it will be enough, but it will be close. 74 points should do it, not too far from the 71 points target.
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