Topic: FSG (*)

[youll never walk alone it]

Because we've sold our best players each time we looked like we were about to make progress. Torres, Suarez, Sterling. All the indications are that we're no longer going to be doing that. We won't know until the summer, but when pressed on the issue Klopp said he believes Coutinho will stay here.

well yes course JK will say he believes phil will stay, lets see what happens, but fsg will love it if phil leaves then they can spend 70 million plus 20 of their own money, and sell off a bit of dead wood to make even more millions to spend, all this while fsg spend 20 million net, we will see.

[Eeyore]

If there was something specific to protest I'd listen. So far I can just imagine the signs being "WE DON'T LIKE FSG"

Aaagh so if we have a footballer who isn't pulling his weight and could do better then the only remedy is to hold a protest. You can't express the opinion that he should be doing better. That is all the people with reservations are doing.

Except that isn't allowed .

[ChaChaMooMoo]

Managers work for Football clubs mate not owners.

Modern football clubs are no longer clubs in the traditional sense. They are run as a business.

[thelinnen]

Because we've sold our best players each time we looked like we were about to make progress. Torres, Suarez, Sterling. All the indications are that we're no longer going to be doing that. We won't know until the summer, but when pressed on the issue Klopp said he believes Coutinho will stay here.

I'll give you Suarez but Torres and Sterling? They weren't a loss in the slightest 

What that comes down to is that we're in the same boat as everyone else in England. If the big Spanish clubs want your player badly enough they'll probably get them. Especially if they're South American.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

I'll give you Suarez but Torres and Sterling? They weren't a loss in the slightest 

What that comes down to is that we're in the same boat as everyone else in England. If the big Spanish clubs want your player badly enough they'll probably get them. Especially if they're South American.

We've probably sold more of our better players to English clubs than foreign clubs under FSG.

[Johnny Foreigner]

Roy Hodgson has over the years shown himself to be a decent manager; he just didn’t get Liverpool and what it was all about..
FSG has over the years shown themselves to be decent owners; still doesn’t get Liverpool but they’re perfectly clear whats it all about..

[El Lobo]

Roy Hodgson has over the years shown himself to be a decent manager; he just didn’t get Liverpool and what it was all about..
FSG has over the years shown themselves to be decent owners; still doesn’t get Liverpool but they’re perfectly clear whats it all about..

They put their left leg in....?

[Johnny Foreigner]

They put their left leg in....?

Meja said it well..

It's all 'bout the money
It's all 'bout the dumb dum,
And I don't think It's funny
To see us fade away
It's all 'bout the money
It's all 'bout the dumb dum,
And I think we got it all wrong anyway

[El Lobo]

Meja said it well..

It's all 'bout the money
It's all 'bout the dumb dum,
And I don't think It's funny
To see us fade away
It's all 'bout the money
It's all 'bout the dumb dum,
And I think we got it all wrong anyway

I think we can all agree that Meja is certainly in the top 1% of Swedish popstars

[Titi Camara]

Roy Hodgson has over the years shown himself to be a decent manager; he just didn’t get Liverpool and what it was all about..

What the absolute fuck! That's a load of horse shit right there! Literally and unequivocally the worst manager we've ever had. My dead Nan would make a better first of managing this club! The fucker hasn't got a "decent" bone in his body!

[Brian Blessed]

What the absolute fuck! That's a load of horse shit right there! Literally and unequivocally the worst manager we've ever had. My dead Nan would make a better first of managing this club! The fucker hasn't got a "decent" bone in his body!

What do you mean? His methods have translated from Halmstads to Malmo, to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax, to the Swiss national team.

[Titi Camara]

What do you mean? His methods have translated from Halmstads to Malmo, to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax, to the Swiss national team.

Ha ha that's a shocker, as is...

"As good as we have played all season"

[Dave D]

The issues raised by the current OP still stand.

LITTLE MORE THAN A BALANCED INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO?

Quarter of a century without a league title, players leaving year on year for bigger and better things, how long before Rodgers becomes the first Liverpool manager to leave for bigger and better? Gone is the defiance. Gone is the arrogance. Gone is the vision of building Liverpool up and up until we conquer the bloody world.
Welcome to the sweetspot brothers and sisters in the #LFCfamily.

In their 7th year in charge, it’s clear that NESV/FSM/FSG’s strategy for the footballing side of the club has failed spectacularly. We can see from the latest accounts that their ‘strategy’ for the business side really isn’t up to much either.

Since they first arrived under a whirlwind of PR spin, they’ve undermined a number of managers with their strategy. Owners with zero understanding of football, zero interest in football and zero idea how to run a football club, have been dictating the type player that could be signed and how much could be spent due to their mismanagement of the finances.

This strategy has been in place since day one and they haven’t wavered from it. Who is advising FSG on their strategy? Who at the decision making level has been advising them to continue on this path?
If their advisers have been instructing them on how to make the most money from their ownership of the club, fair enough, mission accomplished.

There are plenty of smart people around discussing how to run a sport franchise, how to make money from a sport franchise, how to extract as much money from the customers of a sport franchise. Never at any stage do they explain or give any recommendations on how to run a successful franchise that is also competitive on the field. It is, and always has been, about the money and the business side of the franchise.

You can finish in your lowest league position for decades, miss out on European football and show absolutely no ambition and the fans will still flock to your stadium. Since the American’s took over in 2007, it’s the business side rather than the football side that has received the most attention from the owners, all while getting the fans, loyal to the brand, pay for every mistake and blunder along the way.

To quote a Harvard Business School MBA who graduated in the top 5% of his class, “An American deal guy simply can't avoid using other people's money if they can.”

You can’t bullshit a bullshitter.

Until FSG abandon their failed strategy, this club is doomed to fail time and time again.

[El Lobo]

The issues raised by the current OP still stand.

Quarter of a century without a league title, players leaving year on year for bigger and better things, how long before Rodgers becomes the first Liverpool manager to leave for bigger and better? Gone is the defiance. Gone is the arrogance. Gone is the vision of building Liverpool up and up until we conquer the bloody world.
Welcome to the sweetspot brothers and sisters in the #LFCfamily.

Can someone else just confirm that this says 'players leaving year on year for bigger and better things, how long before Rodgers becomes the first Liverpool manager to leave for bigger and better?' just so I know my eyes aren't inventing things because I'm tired.

[cowtownred]

The issues raised by the current OP still stand.

In their 7th year in charge, it’s clear that NESV/FSM/FSG’s strategy for the footballing side of the club has failed spectacularly. We can see from the latest accounts that their ‘strategy’ for the business side really isn’t up to much either.

Since they first arrived under a whirlwind of PR spin, they’ve undermined a number of managers with their strategy. Owners with zero understanding of football, zero interest in football and zero idea how to run a football club, have been dictating the type player that could be signed and how much could be spent due to their mismanagement of the finances.

This strategy has been in place since day one and they haven’t wavered from it. Who is advising FSG on their strategy? Who at the decision making level has been advising them to continue on this path?
If their advisers have been instructing them on how to make the most money from their ownership of the club, fair enough, mission accomplished.

There are plenty of smart people around discussing how to run a sport franchise, how to make money from a sport franchise, how to extract as much money from the customers of a sport franchise. Never at any stage do they explain or give any recommendations on how to run a successful franchise that is also competitive on the field. It is, and always has been, about the money and the business side of the franchise.

You can finish in your lowest league position for decades, miss out on European football and show absolutely no ambition and the fans will still flock to your stadium. Since the American’s took over in 2007, it’s the business side rather than the football side that has received the most attention from the owners, all while getting the fans, loyal to the brand, pay for every mistake and blunder along the way.

To quote a Harvard Business School MBA who graduated in the top 5% of his class, “An American deal guy simply can't avoid using other people's money if they can.”

You can’t bullshit a bullshitter.

Until FSG abandon their failed strategy, this club is doomed to fail time and time again.

No, no, it's all wonderful!

[CraigDS]

I refuse to read any quotes from anyone who wasn't top 1%.

[Graham Smith]

Just a couple of issues about managers.

They are human and looking to secure their own futures and it requires them to have some 'selfishness' to succeed.

No surprise that Klopp signed a new contract so quickly after arriving - who wouldn't? I don't criticise or see it as anything other than part of the 'business' first and foremost and a statement of confidence that Klopp has in himself. And it won't be a 'six year contract' as anyone in the street might understand anyway.

Dalglish missed the big, big money in football but has had a chance to continue to earn legitimately from LFC. His heart is completely with the Club no doubt but he wasn't a knight in shining armour during the H&G years and he was on the wrong side of the argument, despite the fact that one interview from him would have brought them down at any point in time.

In fact he was wheeled into a meeting we had with Purslow in order to convince us to call off a march that was planned on the day of a game against Hull. He wanted it stopped - he used the not unreasonable line that everyone should be pulling together in the Club. Laudable and preferable of course but ignoring the fact that Hicks and Gillet (abetted by Purslow) were doing completely the opposite.

Purslow thought we'd be star struck and fold under Dalglish's aura. He, and Dalglish, were wrong. On that day Dalglish was the wrong side of the argument.

[ToneLa]

Dalglish missed the big, big money in football but has had a chance to continue to earn legitimately from LFC. His heart is completely with the Club no doubt but he wasn't a knight in shining armour during the H&G years and he was on the wrong side of the argument, despite the fact that one interview from him would have brought them down at any point in time.

I wonder why Kenny hasn't brought down FSG with a statement at any time? He'd just have to click his fingers and all the media would circulate that story!

Yet he's happy working for FSG, it seems like!

[NaivetyinBlack]

Roy Hodgson has over the years shown himself to be a decent manager; he just didn’t get Liverpool and what it was all about..
FSG has over the years shown themselves to be decent owners; still doesn’t get Liverpool but they’re perfectly clear whats it all about..

I cannot believe the lengths that people sink down to, just to justify their petty agenda against FSG.

Hodgson was an abomination of a manager before, during and after he was at LFC. Nothing he has achieved even touches a modicum of footballing decency.

[NaivetyinBlack]

I wonder why Kenny hasn't brought down FSG with a statement at any time? He'd just have to click his fingers and all the media would circulate that story!

Yet he's happy working for FSG, it seems like!

He's an employee of FSG. Al555 thinks he would never criticize them because he is the club's Ambassador. Effects PR, you know.

[ToneLa]

What about before he was the Ambassador, let alone Executive Director? He's had time out of FSG to criticise them; why doesn't he walk if they're that bad?

Don't expect this to get answered as Al cherrypicks or changes the subject.

[Johnny Foreigner]

I cannot believe the lengths that people sink down to, just to justify their petty agenda against FSG.

Hodgson was an abomination of a manager before, during and after he was at LFC. Nothing he has achieved even touches a modicum of footballing decency.

hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager i have seen, but his time at halmstad, malmo, switzerland and Finland was more than decent actually, but whatever rocks your super fan boat

[Groundskeeper Willie]

No, no, it's all wonderful!

Not one post in this entire thread has as much as faintly alluded to such a thing. What you don't seem to get is that the "pro-FSG'" people in here (for lack of a better term) acknowledge that they have done both good AND bad. Many critics can't even admit to the positive things that they have done.

[Fromola]

hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager i have seen, but his time at halmstad, malmo, switzerland and Finland was more than decent actually, but whatever rocks your super fan boat

Scandinavia is a low level. Chris Coleman's achieved more than Hodgson at international level.

Yeah he's done well here and there with small clubs, or low levels, but he's a glorified Mike Walker or someone like that (who had some notable achievements with Norwich but was hopeless at a big job.

[cowtownred]

Not one post in this entire thread has as much as faintly alluded to such a thing. What you don't seem to get is that the "pro-FSG'" people in here (for lack of a better term) acknowledge that they have done both good AND bad. Many critics can't even admit to the positive things that they have done.

I think you will find that the 'anti FSG' people... will acknowledge they have done some good things.  Even Al who everyone of the 'pro FSG' crowd want to humiliate in every way they can, yes that includes you Willie.

The unifying, unarguable fact is that we are no more competitive as a football team than we were 7 years ago. The reasons are arguable, but we are going nowhere as a football team. Yes we have now got Klopp you might shout. In mine, and others views the owners have no wish to make us champions again. They are raking in the cash and why would they even care if we succeed, just as long as we don't fail is enough for them. Money. Not the Club.

[CraigDS]

What cash are they raking in?

[Groundskeeper Willie]

yes that includes you Willie.

The unifying, unarguable fact is that we are no more competitive as a football team than we were 7 years ago. The reasons are arguable, but we are going nowhere as a football team.

First line: I have acknowledged my own part in this thread going south.

About the unarguable fact. I think it is unarguable. That we have become very much more competitive as a football team the last 16 months or so. Two cup finals and a semifinal is unarguable proof of that. Our current league campaign too. In fact, I find your statement about that absolutely flabbergasting. 

To say with a straight face that we aren't more competitive now than under good old Roy, or Kenny's 2nd season, or Rodgers' last season is absolutely ridiculous for me.

Going nowhere. Fowler wept.

[NaivetyinBlack]

In mine, and others views the owners have no wish to make us champions again. They are raking in the cash and why would they even care if we succeed, just as long as we don't fail is enough for them. Money. Not the Club.

Speculative bullshit consistent with every other posts by the supposed 'skeptics'. No proof at all, just like always.

You know when they will rake in the cash ? When they sell the club at a massive profit. Until then, they aren't 'raking in' anything.

[NaivetyinBlack]

hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager i have seen, but his time at halmstad, malmo, switzerland and Finland was more than decent actually, but whatever rocks your super fan boat

Quite the pedigree, I'd say.

[God's Left Peg]

I'm sure statistically he'd say Klopp is in the top 0.76% of managers, be fair.

Would you say I'm the best priest in all of Ireland?

[Suareznumber7]

I think you will find that the 'anti FSG' people... will acknowledge they have done some good things.  Even Al who everyone of the 'pro FSG' crowd want to humiliate in every way they can, yes that includes you Willie.

The unifying, unarguable fact is that we are no more competitive as a football team than we were 7 years ago. The reasons are arguable, but we are going nowhere as a football team. Yes we have now got Klopp you might shout. In mine, and others views the owners have no wish to make us champions again. They are raking in the cash and why would they even care if we succeed, just as long as we don't fail is enough for them. Money. Not the Club.

This is just absolute bullshit.  If you can't see that we are more competitive then just a year ago then you need to open your eyes.  Just because it's not happening overnight doesn't mean it isn't happening. 

[Eeyore]

First line: I have acknowledged my own part in this thread going south.

About the unarguable fact. I think it is unarguable. That we have become very much more competitive as a football team the last 16 months or so. Two cup finals and a semifinal is unarguable proof of that. Our current league campaign too. In fact, I find your statement about that absolutely flabbergasting. 

To say with a straight face that we aren't more competitive now than under good old Roy, or Kenny's 2nd season, or Rodgers' last season is absolutely ridiculous for me.

Going nowhere. Fowler wept.

We won the League Cup in Kenny's 2nd season and reached the FA Cup final . We went out of the League Cup failing to score a goal in two games against Southampton and lost at home to Wolves in the Cup this season . So how the fuck are we more competitive this season given our chances of winning anything were over in January.

[NaivetyinBlack]

We won the League Cup in Kenny's 2nd season and reached the FA Cup final . We went out of the League Cup failing to score a goal in two games against Southampton and lost at home to Wolves in the Cup this season . So how the fuck are we more competitive this season given our chances of winning anything were over in January.

Unbelievable.

We are 4th in the league with a genuine chance of finishing 2nd, with the highest scoring team in the league. We reached 2 Cup finals last year and have made significant improvements to that team.

You completely absolve yourself of any perspective when it suits your agenda.

[Groundskeeper Willie]

We won the League Cup in Kenny's 2nd season and reached the FA Cup final . We went out of the League Cup failing to score a goal in two games against Southampton and lost at home to Wolves in the Cup this season . So how the fuck are we more competitive this season given our chances of winning anything were over in January.

We see it differently. So differently that it's no use replying. Have a nice night.

[Johnny Foreigner]

Quite the pedigree, I'd say.

I would say; his achievements in Sweden where IFK was guite a european force was pretty decent..

going to san siro and win when the italians were strong; thats pretty decent as well..

qualifying the swiss for the first time in 30 years; pretty decent..

got a feeling those achievments are fairly new ground to you, but i could of course be wrong

[El Lobo]

Would you say I'm the best priest in all of Ireland?

Certainly in the top 1% as far as I'm concerned. Decent.

[El Lobo]

What cash are they raking in?

[CraigDS]

Let's be honest. He's been told/shown they've not taken any cash, let alone 'raked' it in a few times now, so he already knows the answer to the question and is quite clearly deliberately posting crap.

[Pistolero]

We won the League Cup in Kenny's 2nd season and reached the FA Cup final . We went out of the League Cup failing to score a goal in two games against Southampton and lost at home to Wolves in the Cup this season . So how the fuck are we more competitive this season given our chances of winning anything were over in January.

man's got a point...

[DangerScouse]

Speculative bullshit consistent with every other posts by the supposed 'skeptics'. No proof at all, just like always.

You know when they will rake in the cash ? When they sell the club at a massive profit. Until then, they aren't 'raking in' anything.

 

Look at our league finishing positions and trophy haul since they've taken under. We've underachieved. That's a fucking fact. Another trophyless season under FSG this season, it's become the norm.