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Wikileaks:
« on: November 28, 2010, 07:06:48 pm »
Some very very interesting stuff.  The shit has truly hit the fan...

The Guardian database of the leaks:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-wikileaks

The following piece is taken from the Guardian too:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis

The United States was catapulted into a worldwide diplomatic crisis today, with the leaking to the Guardian and other international media of more than 250,000 classified cables from its embassies, many sent as recently as February this year.

At the start of a series of daily extracts from the US embassy cables - many of which are designated "secret" – the Guardian can disclose that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN's leadership.

These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistlebowers' website, also reveal Washington's evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues.

These include a major shift in relations between China and North Korea, Pakistan's growing instability and details of clandestine US efforts to combat al-Qaida in Yemen.

Among scores of other disclosures that are likely to cause uproar, the cables detail:

• Grave fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme

• Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime.

• Devastating criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan.

• Claims of inappropriate behaviour by a member of the British royal family.

The US has particularly intimate dealings with Britain, and some of the dispatches from the London embassy in Grosvenor Square will make uncomfortable reading in Whitehall and Westminster. They range from serious political criticisms of David Cameron to requests for specific intelligence about individual MPs.

The cache of cables contains specific allegations of corruption and against foreign leaders, as well as harsh criticism by US embassy staff of their host governments, from tiny islands in the Caribbean to China and Russia.

The material includes a reference to Vladimir Putin as an "alpha-dog", Hamid Karzai as being "driven by paranoia" and Angela Merkel allegedly "avoids risk and is rarely creative". There is also a comparison between Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Adolf Hitler.

The cables name countries involved in financing terror groups, and describe a near "environmental disaster" last year over a rogue shipment of enriched uranium. They disclose technical details of secret US-Russian nuclear missile negotiations in Geneva, and include a profile of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who they say is accompanied everywhere by a "voluptuous blonde" Ukrainian nurse.

The cables cover secretary of state Hillary Clinton's activities under the Obama administration, as well as thousands of files from the George Bush presidency. Clinton personally led frantic damage limitation this weekend as Washington prepared foreign governments for the revelations. She contacted leaders in Germany, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf, France and Afghanistan.

US ambassadors in other capitals were instructed to brief their hosts in advance of the release of unflattering pen-portraits or nakedly frank accounts of transactions with the US which they had thought would be kept quiet. Washington now faces a difficult task in convincing contacts around the world that any future conversations will remain confidential.

"We are all bracing for what may be coming and condemn WikiLeaks for the release of classified material," state department spokesman PJ Crowley said. "It will place lives and interests at risk. It is irresponsible."

The state department's legal adviser has written to Wikileaks founder Julian Assange and his London lawyer, warning that the cables were obtained illegally and that publication would place at risk "the lives of countless innocent individuals … ongoing military operations … and cooperation between countries".

The electronic archive of embassy dispatches from around the world was allegedly downloaded by a US soldier earlier this year and passed to WikiLeaks. Assange made them available to the Guardian and four other newspapers: the New York Times, Der Spiegel in Germany, Le Monde in France and El País in Spain. All five plan to publish extracts from the most significant cables, but have decided neither to "dump" the entire dataset into the public domain, nor to publish names that would endanger innocent individuals. WikiLeaks says that, contrary to the state department's fears, it also initially intends to post only limited cable extracts, and to redact identities.

The cables published today reveal how the US uses its embassies as part of a global espionage network, with diplomats tasked to obtain not just information from the people they meet, but personal details, such as frequent flyer numbers, credit card details and even DNA material.

Classified "human intelligence directives" issued in the name of Hillary Clinton or her predecessor, Condoleeza Rice, instruct officials to gather information on military installations, weapons markings, vehicle details of political leaders as well as iris scans, fingerprints and DNA.

The most controversial target was the leadership of the United Nations. That directive requested the specification of telecoms and IT systems used by top UN officials and their staff and details of "private VIP networks used for official communication, to include upgrades, security measures, passwords, personal encryption keys".

When the Guardian put this allegation to Crowley, the state department spokesman said: "Let me assure you: our diplomats are just that, diplomats. They do not engage in intelligence activities. They represent our country around the world, maintain open and transparent contact with other governments as well as public and private figures, and report home. That's what diplomats have done for hundreds of years."

The dispatches also shed light on older diplomatic issues. One cable, for example, reveals, that Nelson Mandela was "furious" when a top adviser stopped him meeting Margaret Thatcher shortly after his release from prison to explain why the ANC objected to her policy of "constructive engagement" with the apartheid regime. "We understand Mandela was keen for a Thatcher meeting but that [appointments secretary Zwelakhe] Sisulu argued successfully against it," according to the cable. It continues: "Mandela has on several occasions expressed his eagerness for an early meeting with Thatcher to express the ANC's objections to her policy. We were consequently surprised when the meeting didn't materialise on his mid-April visit to London and suspected that ANC hardliners had nixed Mandela's plans."

The US embassy cables are marked "Sipdis" – secret internet protocol distribution. They were compiled as part of a programme under which selected dispatches, considered moderately secret but suitable for sharing with other agencies, would be automatically loaded on to secure embassy websites, and linked with the military's Siprnet internet system.

They are classified at various levels up to "SECRET NOFORN" [no foreigners]. More than 11,000 are marked secret, while around 9,000 of the cables are marked noforn. The embassies which sent most cables were Ankara, Baghdad, Amman, Kuwait and Tokyo.

More than 3 million US government personnel and soldiers, many extremely junior, are cleared to have potential access to this material, even though the cables contain the identities of foreign informants, often sensitive contacts in dictatorial regimes. Some are marked "protect" or "strictly protect".

Last spring, 22-year-old intelligence analyst Bradley Manning was charged with leaking many of these cables, along with a gun-camera video of an Apache helicopter crew mistakenly killing two Reuters news agency employees in Baghdad in 2007, which was subsequently posted by WikiLeaks. Manning is facing a court martial.

In July and October WikiLeaks also published thousands of leaked military reports from Afghanistan and Iraq. These were made available for analysis beforehand to the Guardian, along with Der Spiegel and the New York Times.

A former hacker, Adrian Lamo, who reported Manning to the US authorities, said the soldier had told him in chat messages that the cables revealed "how the first world exploits the third, in detail".

He also said, according to Lamo, that Clinton "and several thousand diplomats around the world are going to have a heart attack when they wake up one morning and find an entire repository of classified foreign policy is available in searchable format to the public … everywhere there's a US post … there's a diplomatic scandal that will be revealed".

Asked why such sensitive material was posted on a network accessible to thousands of government employees, the state department spokesman told the Guardian: "The 9/11 attacks and their aftermath revealed gaps in intra-governmental information sharing. Since the attacks of 9/11, the US government has taken significant steps to facilitate information sharing. These efforts were focused on giving diplomatic, military, law enforcement and intelligence specialists quicker and easier access to more data to more effectively do their jobs."

He added: "We have been taking aggressive action in recent weeks and months to enhance the security of our systems and to prevent the leak of information."
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2010, 07:14:13 pm »
have to get reading about these now,  but Assange has some huge nads to stand up to the world governments and continue to release these documents

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2010, 07:28:29 pm »
Mmmm, wonder who it is  :-X

WikLeaks Reports It Is Under A Denial Of Service Attack

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A lot of people, including many governments, have problems with WikiLeaks, the site dedicated to publishing sensitive and often classified documents. (Read more background on the controversial organization). The site is currently under a distributed denial of service attack, according to a Tweet from the WikiLeaks account. The site seems to be withstanding the attack so far. It is up right now.

The DDOS attack comes just as WikiLeaks is preparing to release another set of U.S. government documents—this time diplomatic cables which may prove so embarrassing that the State Department decided to warn foreign governments ahead of their release.

But WikiLeaks reports via Twitter that even if the site goes down, newspapers around the world will publish excerpts from the cables:

So who is behind the DDOS attack—government spy agencies, the Russians, 4chan? It is obviously a conspiracy. Different people will have different theories, including that WikiLeaks itself is behind the “attack” to draw attention (and sympathy) on the eve of its latest big leak. But let’s give them the benefit of the doubt for now, until proven otherwise.


http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/28/wikileaks-ddos-attack/

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2010, 08:31:44 pm »
have to get reading about these now,  but Assange has some huge nads to stand up to the world governments and continue to release these documents

Agreed, the guy has certainly got some bottle

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2010, 08:58:45 pm »
Governments will always have secrets and although we all want to know whats really going on ,sometimes its better if we dont, however I am going to have a damn good read. Yes I am a hypocrite on this one.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2010, 09:01:52 pm »
Governments will always have secrets and although we all want to know whats really going on ,sometimes its better if we dont, however I am going to have a damn good read. Yes I am a hypocrite on this one.
governments are also doing many things which they shouldnt be.. ill spare the war talk, but look across the water and you will see our gov gave away all our oil and gas, thats hundreds of billions worth, and for free... So, Wikileaks can expose insane levels of political corruption as well as breaching human rights and so on.. I agree what can be released can also be very dangerous in the public arena, but..... if governments have been doing bad bad things, maybe they shouldnt have been doing them in the first place...

in my view, they can have no one to blame but themselves..

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2010, 09:17:42 pm »
How the bloke has not been assassinated is unbelievable. I hope he stays safe but one of the governments he has upset will no doubt do more than a dos attack on him.

I want to see what Prince Philip has said now assuming that's the inappropriate behavior.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2010, 09:19:52 pm »
More people like this are needed, fight the good fight. Show them for who they really are!


How does he get this info anyone know?

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2010, 09:22:05 pm »
More people like this are needed, fight the good fight. Show them for who they really are!


How does he get this info anyone know?
an insider with classified info gave it to him, there was a big flareup over this less than a year ago, the US detained this guy in kewait or somewhere like that and are assumingly torturing him, obstructing justice, human rights and so forth..

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2010, 09:23:53 pm »
I remember the video they posted a while back showing pilots clearly breaching geneva convention. Anything happen with that?

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2010, 09:31:19 pm »
I just wish that wikileaks was more discriminatory with what information they release. Sometimes it seems that this is whistleblowing for whistleblowing's sake. Like everyone knows that the Russian Mafia has ties to Putin, but by revealing that the US embassy has sent internal memos about the subject, all you are really doing is causing a scandal for the US embassy, and US Russian relations, threatening good plans (like for instance the non-proliferation treaty).

So instead, I think it would be better if Assange focused on information that directly reveal wrongdoing, rather than just showing how people talk about others behind each others backs.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2010, 09:31:59 pm »
I remember the video they posted a while back showing pilots clearly breaching geneva convention. Anything happen with that?

The guy that leaked the video is soon to appear in court I believe.  I've not heard of any other action being taken.  At least it shows they've got their priorities right

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2010, 09:55:48 pm »
good...i'm looking forward to reading some of this.
we never really get a feel for motive when we have the brushed up news and spin. this will shed a lot of light on what is actually going on.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2010, 09:57:12 pm »
So instead, I think it would be better if Assange focused on information that directly reveal wrongdoing, rather than just showing how people talk about others behind each others backs.

Don't agree. What he's doing is being extremely transparent with all the info he gets and let's the viewing public, press and media decide and report on what on opinion and scandal.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2010, 10:02:59 pm »
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/ makes for very interesting reading.

U.S and Russia joint threat assessment - http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10STATE17263.html


Don't agree. What he's doing is being extremely transparent with all the info he gets and let's the viewing public, press and media decide and report on what on opinion and scandal.

Seemingly without any regard for consequences. I agree with this:

Governments will always have secrets and although we all want to know whats really going on ,sometimes its better if we dont, however I am going to have a damn good read. Yes I am a hypocrite on this one.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2010, 10:15:58 pm »
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/ makes for very interesting reading.

U.S and Russia joint threat assessment - http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10STATE17263.html


Seemingly without any regard for consequences. I agree with this:


But we're only talking classified info (edit:I.e. Not "top secret"), and there's nothing going to be in there that would provoke a huge conflict. At best it's an embarrassing slap on the wrists that will raise eyebrows and hopefully let the US know that the world is watching and they are under scrutiny. And it let's the democratic world that elects these fuckers, know the truth.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2010, 10:36:01 pm »
Have they leaked who killed JFK yet?
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2010, 10:36:04 pm »
The American soldier who leaked it all has been held in solitary confinement not even allowed to speak to a lawyer apparently. memories of camp xray.
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2010, 10:40:16 pm »
The American soldier who leaked it all has been held in solitary confinement not even allowed to speak to a lawyer apparently. memories of camp xray.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2010, 10:47:34 pm »
But we're only talking classified info (edit:I.e. Not "top secret"), and there's nothing going to be in there that would provoke a huge conflict. At best it's an embarrassing slap on the wrists that will raise eyebrows and hopefully let the US know that the world is watching and they are under scrutiny. And it let's the democratic world that elects these fuckers, know the truth.

Something about wikileaks doesn't ring true to me. Maybe it's a Limited hangout operation.
Give some conspiraloons a hardon and the mainstream press something to chew on while the real dirt gets scrubbed clean.

Assange is a strange character for sure. And he could be in serious diffs with the rape allegations in Sweden.
Maybe it's the real deal and those pesky kids can't be stopped!
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2010, 10:50:31 pm »
Just caught a bit about it on ITV news.  They were saying this could cause the toppling of governments and unrest.  They were saying that the US are seeking to get Wikileaks listed as a terrorist organisation.
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2010, 10:52:38 pm »
Just caught a bit about it on ITV news.  They were saying this could cause the toppling of governments and unrest.  They were saying that the US are seeking to get Wikileaks listed as a terrorist organisation.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2010, 11:06:00 pm »
they have weapons of mass media..!

I just worries me what shit will be stirred up due to all of this.  Will countries go to war over some of the issues?
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2010, 11:07:47 pm »
I just worries me what shit will be stirred up due to all of this.  Will countries go to war over some of the issues?
they have certainly opened a can of worms, I just hope more good comes out of this than bad.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2010, 11:14:51 pm »
But we're only talking classified info, and there's nothing going to be in there that would provoke a huge conflict. At best it's an embarrassing slap on the wrists that will raise eyebrows and hopefully let the US know that the world is watching and they are under scrutiny. And it let's the democratic world that elects these fuckers, know the truth.

Sounds like you know more about it than me. I would have thought documents labeled confidential or secret are labeled so for a reason. For example I don't think Iran will take kindly to Saudi Arabia trying to push the US towards a war against Iran, expressing a wish that the snake's head be cut off.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2010, 11:15:54 pm »
Something about wikileaks doesn't ring true to me.
I'd agree with this.
So far I've seen:
-Iran has weapons that could be used to attack Israel and Western Europe
-there were WMDs in Iraq

Very convenient for the military industrial complex

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« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2010, 11:16:18 pm »
Sounds like you know more about it than me. I would have thought documents labeled confidential or secret are labeled so for a reason. For example I don't think Iran will take kindly to Saudi Arabia trying to push the US towards a war against Iran, expressing a wish that the snake's head be cut off.

come on...you dont think the iranians already know this??
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« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2010, 11:30:01 pm »
come on...you dont think the iranians already know this??

That Saudi Arabia don't like the situation and want it taken care of, I think they know. But not that Saudi Arabia are, on the highest level, pushing for war. And I think Ahmadinejad personally won't like the wording.

There's more though, of course. Like the chief of Egypt's intelligence service claiming they will fix the Hamas problem, undermine Hamas, undermine Iran.

These aren't lighthearted issues.

So far 220 of 251 287 documents have been released. There's bound to be documents that cause tension, and I doubt all of these documents and the issues they handle are known by Iranian intelligence (do they have one? See, I don't know. I'm just speculating based on the information at hand.)

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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2010, 11:33:53 pm »
come on...you dont think the iranians already know this??

Exactly. The only quarters that are labelling this dangerous, are those that are subject to the embarrassment. The US spying on its allies and the UN is just classic.

Hopefully these leaks will spell out to the US voting public, that the people they have elected over the years have lied about their foreign policy and their involvement, and start to question their holier than thou international outlook.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2010, 11:34:25 pm »
In general I support Wikileaks but they have gone too far on this occasion imo. Govts and people are as entitled to speculate in private as any individual is.

I doubt that anyone on here would like their every conversation made known to everyone.
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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2010, 11:34:57 pm »
Exactly. The only quarters that are labelling this dangerous, are those that are subject to the embarrassment. The US spying on its allies and the UN is just classic.

Hopefully these leaks will spell out to the US voting public, that the people they have elected over the years have lied about their foreign policy and their involvement, and start to question their holier than thou international outlook.
i wouldnt hold my breath, doubt many of the US public will see past what the media tells them about these docs

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2010, 11:35:33 pm »
So he was telling the truth in that Ted Talk interview when he said something big was coming, it certainly has.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2010, 11:36:37 pm »
In general I support Wikileaks but they have gone too far on this occasion imo. Govts and people are as entitled to speculate in private as any individual is.

I doubt that anyone on here would like their every conversation made known to everyone.
thats a fair point, but every private individual does not have to be so careful and respectful with their chosen words.

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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2010, 11:42:52 pm »
So he was telling the truth in that Ted Talk interview when he said something big was coming, it certainly has.
Anything in particular that you see as big so far?

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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2010, 11:42:52 pm »
In general I support Wikileaks but they have gone too far on this occasion imo. Govts and people are as entitled to speculate in private as any individual is.

Of course they are, but if their words and actions were in line with the foreign policy that they state they they adhere to, then there would be no issue. Cover ups, lies and corruption have no business being wit held from the public domain.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2010, 11:51:15 pm »
I think this is amazing. Shameful how the govt is trying to put a negative spin to it, saying it will endanger security? What how ridiculous is that? Good work from Wikileaks I have to say.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2010, 11:51:57 pm »
Anything in particular that you see as big so far?

Did you read the OP?
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2010, 11:55:19 pm »
Also strange how so few papers except the guardian have any positive coverage of it...I hate the newspapers/tabloids in this country they are so shite

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« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2010, 12:10:33 am »
Also strange how so few papers except the guardian have any positive coverage of it...I hate the newspapers/tabloids in this country they are so shite
It was only pre-released to 5 papers worldwide (NY times, Guardian, El pais, Der speigel, Le monde). So the rest are a bit behind to be fair.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2010, 12:14:28 am »
It was only pre-released to 5 papers worldwide (NY times, Guardian, El pais, Der speigel, Le monde). So the rest are a bit behind to be fair.

They chose their media outlets very well.