Topic: Gerrard - quoted as 'Gerrard open to move from Liverpool'

[Fordy]

He will no doubt sign and there's no drama, but I don't think he really needed to put it in the media stirring pot.  We don't need any more coverage in that respect.

Why? Clearly he hasn't been offered anything yet which in my mind is a disgrace.

[redmark]

Which bit isn't true ?

Which bit of any conspiracy theory isn't true? The beauty is in the delusional narrative linking unrelated specific events.

[Fromola]

Henderson is looking like a real passer (not on Alonso's level, but very good), certainly we could use and enforcer, but I think Rodgers' goal is to mold Can into a Gerrard circa 05-11.

Henderson's great but he's more like Rodgers' Dirk Kuyt than Alonso.

Time will tell with Can but he's not an established player who's going to come in and threaten Gerrard's place anymore than Coates was Carragher's when he first signed.

[Halcyon Lissome]

Why can't you and the gerrard brigade do anything other than hurl insults or make one liners?

Try making an argument, it may help you.

It's a pretty easy and simple argument. Last season Gerrard was voted for the PFA Player of the year and made the PFA Team of the year. That means his colleagues thought he was one of the best players of last season. What more, basically on any stat site (Whoscored, Squawka) he is also up there with the best in the league (top 3).

So, it seems it's you who doesn't rate him. Most people, and the numbers, paint out a different picture. How's that for an argument?

[steveeastend]

Which bit of any conspiracy theory isn't true?

I don't know about your backround but if you knew the insights of the football business in general you would be bang on the money with this statement. No kiddin...

[Fromola]

Why? Clearly he hasn't been offered anything yet which in my mind is a disgrace.

“Steven will be one we look to get a contract to in the summer,” Rodgers told the ECHO.

“With a year to go, it’s something we will address.

“I believe Steven will play beyond 2015. He is a player who has really shown his qualities this season.

What's happened since then, then? It's obviously been discussed but it's a question of terms. Feeding the media a headline is just part of the negotiations.

[Eeyore]

Which bit of any conspiracy theory isn't true? The beauty is in the delusional narrative linking unrelated specific events.

So you agree that it's all true then mate. Nice one.

A totally unrelated chain of events that resulted in Carra getting a three year deal of Cecil.

[Halcyon Lissome]

The article puts pressure on the new signings who Gerrard clearly doesn't rate. Must be nice trying to bed into a new club when the captain feels like that. Reminiscent of Roy Keane looking for scapegoats at United as his powers faded.

No it doesn't. That's your warped inference of it. The point of the paragraph is that he wishes Liverpool could buy ready made, world class, players, but instead the owners want to develop on potential. No one is under any illusions that the players we bought in the last transfer window are world class stars already.

Which bit isn't true ?

Gerrard was on a crusade to get Benitez fired? Have you heard Benitez talking about Gerrard after his leave? Even more praise for the player than when he was here. What utter nonsense.

[Eeyore]

No it doesn't. That's your warped inference of it. The point of the paragraph is that he wishes Liverpool could buy ready made, world class, players, but instead the owners want to develop on potential. No one is under any illusions that the players we bought in the last transfer window are world class stars already.

When in our entire history have we bought World Class players. We have always improved them or made them.

[Halcyon Lissome]

When in our entire history have we bought World Class players. We have always improved them or made them.

Well I guess it depends on your definition of World Class, but let's say he is talking about big players that are already world renown. Guys like Torres, Suarez, Keane, Mascherano, Alonso, Aquilani, and many more were some of the best players in their respective positions or in their leagues at the time we bought them.

Irrespective of what or how many of them we have signed; your take on his comments (trying to pull others under the bus to excuse himself a la Keane) is ridiculous. If it wasn't obvious what motivated your illogical arguments in the Gerrard thread; your insistence in concocting conspiracy theories to demonise Gerrard has made it so.

[Anywhichwayicant]

When in our entire history have we bought World Class players. We have always improved them or made them.

This is 2014 Al.


What use is creating a world class player, when we end up selling him a couple of seasons later?


We need to be creating world class players, and further supplementing them buying other world class players. What will we do when Sterling is one of the planets best, and is surrounded by average to good players?

We'll sell him.

We'll create another world class player, surrounded HIM by duds, sell, rinse, repeat.


We haven't won a league in over two decades, our approach needs to change. It ain't working.

[Eeyore]

No it doesn't. That's your warped inference of it. The point of the paragraph is that he wishes Liverpool could buy ready made, world class, players, but instead the owners want to develop on potential. No one is under any illusions that the players we bought in the last transfer window are world class stars already.

Gerrard was on a crusade to get Benitez fired? Have you heard Benitez talking about Gerrard after his leave? Even more praise for the player than when he was here. What utter nonsense.

Whilst complete and utter gobshites like Collymore and Murphy were saying that the two senior players had lost faith in the manager he stayed silent. He refused to say whether he would stay until after the World Cup and ran round with gob on him all season.

Amazing how our poor seasons correlate to Gerrard not rating his team mates and losing faith in the manager.

Let's cut to the chase the difference between the team this season and last is that we don't have Suarez. Guess what we wouldn't of had him anyway up to now because he would of been banned. So why has Gerrard ran around with a gob on him and why the fuck is he saying that he knew this would happen.

Good job 2nd place Southampton didn't have a captain like Gerrard this season isn't it.

Contrast Stevie "Balotelli" has to score goals with Rafa going out of his way to praise and support Crouch when he couldn't score in a brothel at the start of his career.

[Redman0151]

Not meaning any offence, especially to those who will take it on behalf of Gerrard.

But what are his options?  Where can he realistically go?

His best option is Liverpool.  It's probably why we are reading about it this morning.

There's no doubt in my mind that a club like Bayern or Real would take him, he'd be a good squad player + he'd add marketability. Shirt sales at Real would pay for him themselves like Beckham did

[Red Sea]

nothing to see here, stevie is just using his media contacts to buy himself some leverage in the contract negotiations, Im sure brendan and stevie will come up with a deal that works. after all, a liverpool football club without steven gerrard isn't the liverpool football club many of our younger fans would know

[Eeyore]

Well I guess it depends on your definition of World Class, but let's say he is talking about big players that are already world renown. Guys like Torres, Suarez, Keane, Mascherano, Alonso, Aquilani, and many more were some of the best players in their respective positions or in their leagues at the time we bought them.

Irrespective of what or how many of them we have signed; your take on his comments (trying to pull others under the bus to excuse himself a la Keane) is ridiculous. If it wasn't obvious what motivated your illogical arguments in the Gerrard thread; your insistence in concocting conspiracy theories to demonise Gerrard has made it so.

Are you really saying that the likes of Balotelli, Lambert, Lovren and Markovic haven't been top players in their respective Leagues. Our two best signings of late Sturridge and Coutinho couldn't even get games for their last clubs.

[lindylou100]

This is 2014 Al.


What use is creating a world class player, when we end up selling him a couple of seasons later?


We need to be creating world class players, and further supplementing them buying other world class players. What will we do when Sterling is one of the planets best, and is surrounded by average to good players?

We'll sell him.

We'll create another world class player, surrounded HIM by duds, sell, rinse, repeat.


We haven't won a league in over two decades, our approach needs to change. It ain't working.

Thing is, this season has shown we can't attract the ready made world class players you want despite finishing second. We are competing against petrodollar clubs and europes elite who can easily outstrip us in terms of wages and bids.  Therefore we are left looking for those that have the potential to be world class which is more risky and thats the reality. I also don't want players wages to take up an unsustainable amount of the clubs income given that we almost went bust doing that. It's a long road and theres no quick fixes.

I think Gerrard will get another years extension but we'll start to see him being managed towards starting less and less games in the same way Carragher was. It's clear his legs have gone but he still has a huge amount to offer and could really be a great impact sub for us going forward.

[Halcyon Lissome]

Whilst complete and utter gobshites like Collymore and Murphy were saying that the two senior players had lost faith in the manager he stayed silent. He refused to say whether he would stay until after the World Cup and ran round with gob on him all season.

Huh? When did Gerrard not back Rafa? What was he to do, publicly reply to idiots like Collymore? You clearly haven't thought this through. Rafa knows what time it was and it wasn't because Gerrard conspired to get rid of him (which is what you said).

Amazing how our poor seasons correlate to Gerrard not rating his team mates and losing faith in the manager.

So he is against the new players and the manager now? Haha, wow.

Let's cut to the chase the difference between the team this season and last is that we don't have Suarez. Guess what we wouldn't of had him anyway up to now because he would of been banned. So why has Gerrard ran around with a gob on him and why the fuck is he saying that he knew this would happen.

Everyone with a brain knew that losing arguably last year's best player (in the world) was going to hurt us. If anything, it provides a cushion for the criticism, helping Brendan. The only people who shouldn't like what was said were the owners. And it's pretty clear this is by design, to put pressure on them to a) sign him up and b) shell out more cash on readymade stars.

Good job 2nd place Southampton didn't have a captain like Gerrard this season isn't it.

Again, if it wasn't clear before why you tend to have a warped view on Gerrard, it's clear as day now mate. By the way, Southampton's captain joined us in the summer .

Contrast Stevie "Balotelli" has to score goals with Rafa going out of his way to praise and support Crouch when he couldn't score in a brothel at the start of his career.

I think you've got him red-handed. What a shite captain we have.

Are you really saying that the likes of Balotelli, Lambert, Lovren and Markovic haven't been top players in their respective Leagues. Our two best signings of late Sturridge and Coutinho couldn't even get games for their last clubs.

Balotelli used to be but the others were never some of the best players in their leagues. Anyway, you've gone off the deep end. One minute you're arguing our policy has never been to sign stars and the next minute you're trying to intimate that we did so. At least for your own sake be consistent.

Anyway, this is irrelevant to the fact that it's clear as day we did not sign anyone of the caliber of Costa or Fabregas (who Gerrard gave as examples) and that we instead sold ours. This is not an attack on the players we did sign or the manager. The players you've named in the above ironically have all lauded Gerrard and his leadership.

[Fromola]

On the 'world class' theme you can go into debate regarding the term. I think the issue more is we're often so poor at buying and scouting for players that the ones we sign underwhelm. Or we sign players for bewildering reasons; i.e. Lovren when we'd already spent so much on Sakho and bafflingly neglect areas we need strengthening like the engine room in midfield.

I think if we'd got Alexis Sanchez and Schneiderlin instead of Balotelli and Lallana we'd be looking a much, much better outfit so far this season. Yet so many were doing cartwheels because we'd signed 'a star player' in Balotelli. I thought in the summer not being able to convince Alexis Sanchez to sign for Liverpool was a massive blow because he could have produced maybe 80% of what Suarez did rather than 10% like Balotelli and Lambert.

[steveeastend]

Huh? When did Gerrard not back Rafa?

 

You have no clue have you?

These sort of things happen in football all the time, no big deal really, and no need to paint a saint like picture of Gerrard. He isn't, no star player is, far from it.

[Halcyon Lissome]

You have no clue have you?

These sort of things happen in football all the time, no big deal really, and no need to paint a saint like picture of Gerrard. He isn't, no star player is, far from it.

This coming from you?  Steve, you were born without a clue.

Sure fellas, Stevie conspired to get rid of Rafa...and is now trying to get rid of Rodgers. 'Nutty' doesn't begin to describe it.

[Samie]

This coming from you?  Steve, you were born without a clue.

Sure fellas, Stevie conspired to get rid of Rafa...and is now trying to get rid of Rodgers. 'Nutty' doesn't begin to describe it.

Don't forget Erickson, Capello,Houllier ,Kenny second time round and I'd love it if he really was behind the Owl's sacking.

[Eeyore]

Huh? When did Gerrard not back Rafa? What was he to do, publicly reply to idiots like Collymore? You clearly haven't thought this through. Rafa knows what time it was and it wasn't because Gerrard conspired to get rid of him (which is what you said).

So he is against the new players and the manager now? Haha, wow.

Everyone with a brain knew that losing arguably last year's best player (in the world) was going to hurt us. If anything, it provides a cushion for the criticism, helping Brendan. The only people who shouldn't like what was said were the owners. And it's pretty clear this is by design, to put pressure on them to a) sign him up and b) shell out more cash on readymade stars.

Again, if it wasn't clear before why you tend to have a warped view on Gerrard, it's clear as day now mate.

I think you've got him red-handed. What a shite captain we have.

Balotelli used to be but the others were never some of the best players in their leagues. Anyway, you've gone off the deep end. One minute you're arguing our policy has never been to sign stars and the next minute you're trying to intimate that we did so. At least for your own sake be consistent.

Anyway, this is irrelevant to the fact that it's clear as day we did not sign anyone of the caliber of Costa or Fabregas (who Gerrard gave as examples) and that we instead sold ours. This is not an attack on the players we did sign or the manager. The players you've named in the above ironically have all lauded Gerrard and his leadership.

Everyone with a brain knew that Southampton losing Lallana, Lambert, Shaw, Lovren and Chambers would hurt them. It hasn't because they didn't feel sorry for themselves and start the season with a defeatist attitude.

[Red Sea]

There's no doubt in my mind that a club like Bayern or Real would take him, he'd be a good squad player + he'd add marketability. Shirt sales at Real would pay for him themselves like Beckham did

gerrard is nowhere near as markatable as beckham, I think revenue from shirt sales would be suprisingly low. At bayern they already have their own gerrard in profile and status as schweinsteiger!

[Fromola]

@Ian_Ladyman_DM  ·  6h 6 hours ago
Worth noting that, in the Gerrard interview, he raised issue of the contract himself. I am sure he will stay but he is clearly irked. #LFC

You can see why all the media have taken the quotes and used the headlines they have. I posted before Rodgers quotes from the end of last season saying he'd be offered a deal in the summer. Either he's heard nothing and is pissed off (i.e. 2005) or this is just purely a negotiation tool. Either way he knows what he's doing by playing it out in the media (a la Carrager, which worked for him).

This needs sorting quickly or it's another headache for Rodgers which he doesn't need.

[thelinnen]

If the club let him go then they've lost the plot. It's as simple as that.

[jillcwhomever]

The captain's agents at it again are they, just before another crucial stage of the season. 

[BostonScouse]

Everyone with a brain knew that Southampton losing Lallana, Lambert, Shaw, Lovren and Chambers would hurt them. It hasn't because they didn't feel sorry for themselves and start the season with a defeatist attitude.

I disagree with this, Schneiderlin practically quit the team for a while over it and I doubt he was the only one upset. They have been good because Southampton have a terrific scouting network and have been able to replace their players with similar talents. It's also easier to replace that level of player because they are more in abundance than the players we need. Pochettino also turned out to be predictably overrated.

Gerrard's value is wildly overstated by many here, but I don't think his attitude is a detriment. We haven't sucked because of attitude, we've sucked because we took our biggest strength and turned it into a weakness and because we rely on a player who is a liability on the pitch.

[Halcyon Lissome]

Everyone with a brain knew that Southampton losing Lallana, Lambert, Shaw, Lovren and Chambers would hurt them. It hasn't because they didn't feel sorry for themselves and start the season with a defeatist attitude.

Have you actually read the interview? You've made several claims that are answered in the piece itself. Honestly, get a grip. Gerrard is being asked about the stuttering start of the season and he has said:

“When Luis Suárez left I knew it would be like that,” says Gerrard. “When you come close [to the title] it is important you keep your main players. It’s not just about those coming in, it’s about what got you there.

“You need to keep that together and add to it. When you are taking big chunks of it away and adding five or six into it, it’s not going to happen overnight.

“If Luis was here we probably would have won some of the games where we have slipped up. Also, if we had Daniel Sturridge fit. If you lose a player in Luis’s form and a player of Daniel’s potential, it is going to be up and down until you either get Sturridge back or Luis’s replacement starts firing some goals in.”

How is that defeatist? It's saying we can't just buy replacements like Chelsea or City, we are developing them and that takes time. We've lost a great player and have had injuries; that's why we're not further up than where we'd like to be. Seriously READ before you actually type.

You also had a go about him not supporting Mario, guess what he said in the interview?

Gerrard is reminded of his friend Jamie Carragher’s view that Balotelli will not last more than a season on Merseyside.

“It’s a bit early for shouts like that. He could score 10 in 10 now. What then? You still sell him in January?” Gerrard said. “I understand Jamie’s opinion. He is on TV and has to give opinions. Mario’s scored two in 12 games and when you play for Liverpool you are going to get judged harshly compared to Luis and Daniel, but Mario has the ability to turn it around. Then it will be interesting to see everyone’s opinion. People won’t be saying he is a panic buy then.

“He needs time to score the goals and prove to people he is worthy of staying here. I am not going judge him after 10 games. I have to help and support him. To come in after Suárez is tough. A big ask.

“To be a main striker at Liverpool you have to expect the pressure and the responsibility and embrace it. Our fans expect us to win every game. To be top drawer you have to be quick and aggressive but above everything else you have to score regularly. Look at the ones I have played with – Fowler, Owen, Suárez, and Torres – consistent with goals. That’s what made them superstars.

More to the point; Southampton are going to fall away and our level is a totally different one: with Suarez, with readymade stars, we can win the league. Southampton will never sniff a league with their current players. None of this should need pointing out.

[Red Sea]

This coming from you?  Steve, you were born without a clue.

Sure fellas, Stevie conspired to get rid of Rafa...and is now trying to get rid of Rodgers. 'Nutty' doesn't begin to describe it.

gerrard had an awful 09/10, not just poor form but bad work ethic, no effort as captain. To suggest gerrard encouraged rumblings over rafa's future isn;t paticularly far fetched imo

[redmark]

So you agree that it's all true then mate. Nice one.

No, I've learned that you can't argue with Internet conspiracy theorists.

[Fromola]

Everyone with a brain knew that Southampton losing Lallana, Lambert, Shaw, Lovren and Chambers would hurt them. It hasn't because they didn't feel sorry for themselves and start the season with a defeatist attitude.

Everton finished 4th after losing Rooney because they built a better spirit and team. You don't have to fall apart by losing any player but you have to get the recruitment right.

[istvan kozma]

So you agree that it's all true then mate. Nice one.

A totally unrelated chain of events that resulted in Carra getting a three year deal of Cecil.

Wow, really?

[Anywhichwayicant]

Thing is, this season has shown we can't attract the ready made world class players you want despite finishing second. We are competing against petrodollar clubs and europes elite who can easily outstrip us in terms of wages and bids.  Therefore we are left looking for those that have the potential to be world class which is more risky and thats the reality. I also don't want players wages to take up an unsustainable amount of the clubs income given that we almost went bust doing that. It's a long road and theres no quick fixes.

I think Gerrard will get another years extension but we'll start to see him being managed towards starting less and less games in the same way Carragher was. It's clear his legs have gone but he still has a huge amount to offer and could really be a great impact sub for us going forward.

But we could.

We just chose to:

A) Add too many players

B) Feel sorry for ourselves and not really, savagely pursue top targets, as other clubs do.

Just look at our transfer over the last 20 years. Look at our transfer under Rodgers alone. What are the odds on all our summer signings clicking, and being here in a few years as part of a top team? Incredibly minute. Tiny. Yet, that's the basket we've put all our eggs into.

I'm already resigned to losing Sterling, because we'll be too busy filling the squad. It'll continue for the next two decades, unless we accept that filling the squad with potential isn't working.

We've done it for the last two decades. Sign promising youngsters, convince ourselves they'll be the answer, and then our star player will look around and think to himself "Who's this bloke? Fuck this, I'm off".

Gerrard almost did it. The captain. Mr Liverpool. As the song goes "A scouser born and bred". HE ALMOST LEFT. If our captain almost left because of it, what hope to we have of keeping hold of Spaniards or Uruguayans.

And what has changed since he almost left? Fuck all. We're still signing duds and labelling them as 'Potential stars' and we're still selling our star men, when it finally clicks with them that they'll win nothing with us, because we lack ambition.

[steveeastend]

gerrard had an awful 09/10, not just poor form but bad work ethic, no effort as captain. To suggest gerrard encouraged rumblings over rafa's future isn;t paticularly far fetched imo

Gerrard himself is quoted countless times on his "relationsship" with Benitez, probably these sort of information isn't available for everyone, who knows.

[Red Sea]

But we could.

We just chose to:

A) Add too many players

B) Feel sorry for ourselves and not really, savagely pursue top targets, as other clubs do.

Just look at our transfer over the last 20 years. Look at our transfer under Rodgers alone. What are the odds on all our summer signings clicking, and being here in a few years? Incredibly minute. Tiny.

I'm already resigned to losing Sterling, because we'll be too busy filling the squad. It'll continue for the next two decades, unless we accept that filling the squad with potential isn't working.

We've done it for the last two decades. Sign promising youngsters, convince ourselves they'll be the answer, and then our star player will look around and think to himself "Who's this bloke? Fuck this, I'm off".

Gerrard almost did it. The captain. Mr Liverpool. As the song goes "A scouser born and bred". HE ALMOST LEFT.

And what has changed since he almost left? Fuck all. We're still signing duds and labelling them as 'Potential stars' and we're still selling our star men, when it finally clicks with them that they'll win nothing with us, because we lack ambition.

good post mate, this mentality is entrenched deep in the club IMO, the ideal model for me would be to recruit 1-2 young talents while reinforcing the first team. but we have little idea of our financial limits under fsg who make no secret they will base the team around youngsters.

[Halcyon Lissome]

No, I've learned that you can't argue with Internet conspiracy theorists.

Illuminati, innit?

[Eeyore]

Have you actually read the interview? You've made several claims that are answered in the piece itself. Honestly, get a grip. Gerrard is being asked about the stuttering start of the season and he has said:

How is that defeatist? It's saying we can't just buy replacements like Chelsea or City, we are developing them and that takes time. We've lost a great player and have had injuries; that's why we're not further up than where we'd like to be. Seriously READ before you actually type.

You also had a go about him not supporting Mario, guess what he said in the interview?

More to the point; Southampton are going to fall away and our level is a totally different one: with Suarez, with readymade stars, we can win the league. Southampton will never sniff a league with their current players. None of this should need pointing out.

Let's start with who is asking the questions. Bascombe's a man who has built an entire career reporting exactly what Struan Marshall and SFX want in the public domain. The fella who ghost wrote Carra's book and has previous for pushing Marshall and SFX's agenda.

Secondly we started last season without Suarez and made a great start.

The defeatist bit is saying that he knew it would be like this which is bollocks. How did he know Sturridge would get injured or that Balotelli or Lambert wouldn't start the season well.

As Captain of Liverpool Football Club he should be backing the likes of Balotelli and Mignolet who have been torn apart by Carragher not saying that he has a right to give his opinion.

[Eeyore]

Everton finished 4th after losing Rooney because they built a better spirit and team. You don't have to fall apart by losing any player but you have to get the recruitment right.

The funniest bit is that we lost a player who couldn't even play for us because he was banned.

[SerbianScouser]

I remember before the season start Gerrard saying that we were a clear title challengers.

[Samie]

I remember before the season start Gerrard saying that we were a clear title challengers.

and you going to hold that against him?