Author Topic: MATCH PREVIEW: Liverpool v Hull - Saturday September 24, 15:00 (Read 38329 times)

ToneLa · « **Reply #80 on:** September 21, 2016, 03:24:56 pm »

Mig played with his gob all smashed in so I don't think he's as wussy as people think. Just a bit indecisive, but I'm tired of Mig bashing, Klopp said essentially we want two #1 keepers

ThePeetmix · « **Reply #81 on:** September 21, 2016, 03:28:05 pm »

Quote from: Suareznumber7 on September 21, 2016, 03:14:16 pm

Why play Sturridge over other two though? Out of the three, Sturridge has been the least productive.

I do agree that it's great that we don't have to rely on one player and the fact that there is even a debate about which player to leave off just goes to show how much of a better position we are in then just a year ago.

Simply because there's a slight difference in how we set up when we play Sturridge in the no.9 and when we play Firmino there. Sturridge will run defenders all over the place send create space for people like Firmino and Coutinho and Mane to exploit. Firmino will link up with other players incredibly well without that same threat in behind.

It's just my gut feeling really. None deserve to get dropped. One will have to be.

Suareznumber7 · « **Reply #82 on:** September 21, 2016, 03:41:51 pm »

Quote from: changing back too. 'ThePeetmix' on September 21, 2016, 03:28:05 pm

Simply because there's a slight difference in how we set up when we play Sturridge in the no.9 and when we play Firmino there. Sturridge will run defenders all over the place send create space for people like Firmino and Coutinho and Mane to exploit. Firmino will link up with other players incredibly well without that same threat in behind.

It's just my gut feeling really. None deserve to get dropped. One will have to be.

I think you are discounting the movement that Firmino brings as a #9. While Sturridge definitely did a great job with his movement in the Leicester match I still think that Firmino brings a little more to the table right now and I think he will start. Also have to factor in Sturridge not training (if true) the past couple of days and Klopp's insistence on players being 100% fit to play.

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #83 on:** September 21, 2016, 03:46:06 pm »

Quote from: Suareznumber7 on September 21, 2016, 03:41:51 pm

I think you are discounting the movement that Firmino brings as a #9. While Sturridge definitely did a great job with his movement in the Leicester match I still think that Firmino brings a little more to the table right now and I think he will start. Also have to factor in Sturridge not training (if true) the past couple of days and Klopp's insistence on players being 100% fit to play.

Firmino's movements are often to drop deep between the lines whereas Sturridge's (and Origi's) movements are down the channels and more direct. They pull defenders out of position and create space for others to exploit. Our first two goals against Leicester don't happen with Firmino up front as he's not looking to get in behind like Sturridge is.

I'm pretty sure Sturridge is on a tailored fitness programme which is why he didn't train the other day, Klopp said he wasn't injured.

Mr Mingebag Squid · « **Reply #84 on:** September 21, 2016, 03:52:08 pm »

I'd be tempted to go Sturridge up top, Mane, Coutinho and Firmino behind, with Lallana and Henderson behind them. Wijnaldum the unfortunate one to miss out - but he can be brought on later for fresher legs.

That way you utilise Sturridge movement up top, you get the creativity and cunning of the boys from Brazil and you get the pace of Mane.

Henderson and Lallana to chase everything that moves down. Could work on paper, but whether it'd work in practice is another thing.

Cracking Left Foot · « **Reply #85 on:** September 21, 2016, 03:54:17 pm »

Some good Smiths references there for us mid-80s indie kids.

Just hope we score loads. I know, there's more to life than goals, you know. But not much more.

RogerTheRed · « **Reply #86 on:** September 21, 2016, 03:58:46 pm »

Come on Redmen!!
If we can brush these away in the first 60 minutes I think we will all start to believe. Hope to see Sturridge back along Mane and Firmino with Coutinho, Lallana and Hendo as second three.
Suspect Dan will start on the bench though.

Halibut-Thumb · « **Reply #87 on:** September 21, 2016, 04:00:31 pm »

Watched them play Arsenal.. They were rubbish defensively, Arsenal were nowhere near their best and tore the apart with ease and wasted loads of chances. The key for us is to get the early goal and get on the front foot. We are getting the fear factor back and this is at Anfield, Sturridge needs to start for me.

LFCEmpire · « **Reply #88 on:** September 21, 2016, 04:09:15 pm »

Always get nervous when we are bang on form! dont want it to stop. Win please

mascherano20 · « **Reply #89 on:** September 21, 2016, 04:10:42 pm »

Personally would have the same team that played against Chelsea with Origi coming in for Sturridge and Karius for Mignolet as much for improving their consistency as anything else. We can't afford to take any game lightly as Klopp showed with his selection last night, but feel Origi needs to get back to 2nd half of last season levels quickly to have more impact in bigger games, whether as a starter or off the bench.

3-0 Redmen, yes I said it, an actual clean sheet in the league!

JackWard33 · « **Reply #90 on:** September 21, 2016, 04:11:57 pm »

Quote from: changing back too. 'ThePeetmix' on September 21, 2016, 03:28:05 pm

Simply because there's a slight difference in how we set up when we play Sturridge in the no.9 and when we play Firmino there. Sturridge will run defenders all over the place send create space for people like Firmino and Coutinho and Mane to exploit. Firmino will link up with other players incredibly well without that same threat in behind.

It's just my gut feeling really. None deserve to get dropped. One will have to be.

It's definitely not difficult to make the case that's Sturridge is a better 9 against a low block than Firmino

Wouldn't be surprised if all 4 started. We're going to have the ball a lot in this game .... a lot

wige · « **Reply #91 on:** September 21, 2016, 04:18:47 pm »

Quote from: JackWard33 on September 21, 2016, 04:11:57 pm

It's definitely not difficult to make the case that's Sturridge is a better 9 against a low block than Firmino

Wouldn't be surprised if all 4 started. We're going to have the ball a lot in this game .... a lot

Yeah, I toyed with idea of all 4, but I don't see who misses out from midfield?

Henderson - belter of a game and goal against Chelsea and the captain.
Lallana - Has basically been first name on the sheet for Klopp since he took over, also had a brilliant start to the season.
Wijnaldum - is the biggest possibility, but I dont see Hendo/Lallana as a midfield 2. Suppose you could swap Coutinho in here, but Klopp shown no indication that he wants Phil in MF. Also - regardless of those points - Wijnaldum had his best game for us against Chelsea and was quite prolific at home for Newcastle. Late runs into the box could also prove a useful weapon against the low block.

As much as I'd love to get Sturridge/Mane/Coutinho/Firmino on the pitch from the start, I don't see it happening any time soon..

Digger2God · « **Reply #92 on:** September 21, 2016, 04:26:26 pm »

Quote from: wige on September 21, 2016, 04:18:47 pm

Yeah, I toyed with idea of all 4, but I don't see who misses out from midfield?

Henderson - belter of a game and goal against Chelsea and the captain.
Lallana - Has basically been first name on the sheet for Klopp since he took over, also had a brilliant start to the season.
Wijnaldum - is the biggest possibility, but I dont see Hendo/Lallana as a midfield 2. Suppose you could swap Coutinho in here, but Klopp shown no indication that he wants Phil in MF. Also - regardless of those points - Wijnaldum had his best game for us against Chelsea and was quite prolific at home for Newcastle. Late runs into the box could also prove a useful weapon against the low block.

As much as I'd love to get Sturridge/Mane/Coutinho/Firmino on the pitch from the start, I don't see it happening any time soon..

The conundrum is that if you want to have a 3 and a 1 (Sturridge infront of Bobby, Coutinho and Mane), you need to have a solid 2 in the middle which has to be two out of Hendo, Can and Wijnaldum -- no Lallana. I do not see Lallana not starting.

Most likely is a 4 -3-3 with Coutinho in place of Wij -- that is a gamble I am willing to make at home against Hull.

Chalky Boots · « **Reply #93 on:** September 21, 2016, 04:32:57 pm »

Honestly don't think it's a particularly difficult decision. If it's going to be a game against them playing a low block and if Dan is fit then I can only see him coming in for Coutinho who can get targeted in those games if he starts to frustrate and ends up holding on to the ball too long.

Plus the movement of that attacking trio is awesome and lets us play quicker in the final third.

edit:

You could drop him back but Klopp's midfield 3 isn't ≈ Brendan's 3/4. If you think about the periods where Leicester and Chelsea were suffocated by the press it was quite often down to the physical nature with high balls and then following up on the second balls after. Having Phil there means we lose that in midfield. He is a good trump card later on if we want to kill the game though.

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #94 on:** September 21, 2016, 04:41:31 pm »

In possession we've basically been playing with a single deep midfielder in a 4-1-4-1 formation:

Sturridge

Firmino Lallana Wijnaldum Mane

Henderson

Against teams who aren't looking to attack I think Coutinho could come into one of those two attacking midfield positions.

bodhisattva · « **Reply #95 on:** September 21, 2016, 06:02:22 pm »

Quote from: Funky_Gibbons on September 21, 2016, 02:17:24 pm

I seriously hope we stop with Firmino as a false 9. We lack penetration especially against teams who will be looking to drop deep and narrow like Burnley did and Hull probably will.

We've scored 14-goals in four games with either Sturridge or Origi up front and generally look more potent.

It's going to be interesting to see the difference Mane makes in this regard, against Burnley we had no one that was prepared to attack their marker
and force them to make difficult decisions inside the penalty area, Mane will do this and it is something Sturridge also usually does well.

If teams are going to defend deep we have to be more bold in those 1v1 situations try and create panic in the opposition box and when that happens
you're usually going to get chances when you have lots of bodies going forward (which we will). Suarez was the master of it, he'd play 1-2's off the oppositon
kick into them and feed off the chaos that ensued, we need to do more of this against this type of team.

The beauty of the current team is if you double mark Mane, or Firmino or whoever we have 3 or 4 other forward thinking players that can take advantage of
the extra space and you can't do that with them all.

bodhisattva · « **Reply #96 on:** September 21, 2016, 06:04:24 pm »

Quote from: Die Nullfünfer on September 21, 2016, 03:14:50 pm

I think Lallana and Gini where there. Not sure if Studge was.

I agree with you by the way, I was just pointing out why some may understandibly think it!

I fully expect him to be in the squad for Saturday.

I also read a comment after the Chelsea game that Sturridge was taken off cos he couldn't sprint anymore. Now that might be cos he ran himself
into the ground for 55min or because there was a problem?

Dim Glas · « **Reply #97 on:** September 21, 2016, 06:09:27 pm »

Quote from: bodhisattva on September 21, 2016, 06:04:24 pm

I also read a comment after the Chelsea game that Sturridge was taken off cos he couldn't sprint anymore. Now that might be cos he ran himself
into the ground for 55min or because there was a problem?

yeah I think thats what Kloppo said that he couldn't sprint anymore. But he did say after the game he wasn't injured as far as he was aware too!

I think it's just a fitness thing. He is ultra careful right now with players having had different pre-seasons, and not up to 100% fitness, and Sturridge didn't have a full pre-season did he, with England duty followed by a little injury issue. And as he showed with Bobby last week, he isn't taking risks this early in a season.

TheFlyingScouseman · « **Reply #98 on:** September 21, 2016, 06:42:28 pm »

Their shite, we're boss, let's win, 3 points.

jboy14 · « **Reply #99 on:** September 21, 2016, 06:59:20 pm »

I've got zero worries about this game, we will batter them. 5-0 to the mighty Reds.

mikeb58 · « **Reply #100 on:** September 21, 2016, 07:02:01 pm »

To be taken seriously as top 4 contenders we have to win these type of games...cos that's what top 4 teams do!
If we drop points that inconsistency tag will rear its ugly head again.

Inconsistent teams very rarely win anything, we've deffo got to get over that label.

Early goal and we should run out 3-0 winners, we should have far too much fire power for these to handle

JackWard33 · « **Reply #101 on:** September 21, 2016, 07:11:57 pm »

Quote from: mikeb58 on September 21, 2016, 07:02:01 pm

To be taken seriously as top 4 contenders we have to win these type of games...cos that's what top 4 teams do!
If we drop points that inconsistency tag will rear its ugly head again.

Inconsistent teams very rarely win anything, we've deffo to get over that label.

Early goal and we should run out 3-0 winners, we should have far too much fire power for these to handle

A quote that's stuck with me for life - not just football - from Gerrard Houllier
"if you're inconsistent it just means you're not good enough"

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #102 on:** September 21, 2016, 07:54:55 pm »

Quote from: Die Nullfünfer on September 21, 2016, 12:40:48 pm

Taken off early vs Chelsea.
Didn't train two days later.
Not in the squad for last nights game despite been taken off early vs Chelsea.

Not saying I believe there is an issue, but I'm just guessing that's what's making some people wonder!

Thanks. Not being on bench yesterday is of no concern.

Doc Red · « **Reply #103 on:** September 21, 2016, 08:34:37 pm »

Wonderful OP!
Thanks for that!

Zlen · « **Reply #104 on:** September 21, 2016, 08:42:23 pm »

They'll have to be the luckiest team in the history of universe to come away with anything more then shards of their broken pride.

Tony19:6 · « **Reply #105 on:** September 21, 2016, 08:49:43 pm »

I dont subscribe go the fragile reds mantra anymore. For me this season is different.

Klopps been here a good while now and you can clearly see the methods he wants to instill are coming together. Not perfect but getting there.

Not too bothered about this net spend mullarky (but back to that in a minute) as you can clearly see why he brought in the players he did.

Injuries permitting Klopp has a free(ish) run at continuing to coach his side throught the season and improving even more.

Hell because of the +ve net spend he's in a position to spend in January should it be deemed necessary to go again.

Fuck it lets just trash the bench warming balloon bursting manc bellend's team

stockdam · « **Reply #106 on:** September 21, 2016, 08:59:16 pm »

Quote from: Qston on September 21, 2016, 01:54:31 pm

Agree. Goal difference could come into it as well. For the number of goals we have scored ours should be better. These are the sort of games that if you play well and break them down then we should be maximising chances to increase the goal difference. It may seem like a minor detail now but it could be vital

Agreed.....at the end of the season it will be worth an extra point

88_RED · « **Reply #107 on:** September 21, 2016, 10:02:00 pm »

We have played the most vibrant brand of football in the premier league so far this season..
Only city come close to us in terms of attacking and intricate play in the opposition third..

We look like scoring consistently at the moment and are the highest scorers in the calendar year..
Our forward line is confident and there's fierce competition for places..

We have depth.. we have quality.. we have Klopp..

Let's twat these fucking twats from Hull..

RayPhilAlan · « **Reply #108 on:** September 21, 2016, 10:14:13 pm »

Quote from: Alonso_The_Assassin on September 21, 2016, 03:34:21 am

The term "just win" springs to mind.

Think we'll have a lot of possession which is why Mane will be such a crucial addition for us.

Jurgen will have the headache of trying to pick three out of Phil, Bob, Studge and Mane, but like many said in the lead-up to the Chelsea match - it's a nice headache to have.

Must be tired - read that as Phil Babb for a moment!

mrantarctica · « **Reply #109 on:** September 21, 2016, 11:03:50 pm »

This will be a real test of our goal scoring abilities. They are a difficult side to break down at the best of times. They beat leicester and swansea, and came within minutes of getting a point of Man U, and with 10 men were 2-1 to arsenal but for the last 5 mins or so. Will be intriguing to see who Clop goes with for our front 3.

ash2001 · « **Reply #110 on:** September 21, 2016, 11:04:54 pm »

I agree.

Quote from: Funky_Gibbons on September 21, 2016, 12:27:14 pm

The thing is the run of five games we just played are our hardest games on paper but we last season we took 11-points from them and this season we got 10-points.

The five games we have coming up we took two points from last season (substituting Hull for Norwich - both come up through the play-offs) so it's these 'easier' game son paper we've struggled in.

That's why we've got to start this with a high tempo and not give them a chance to get comfortably like Burnley did. We need pace and movement up front to pull them around which is why I hope Sturridge or Origi start.

I agree

telekon · « **Reply #111 on:** September 21, 2016, 11:18:40 pm »

Quote from: bravoco on September 21, 2016, 03:50:38 am

Excellent OP, thanks. Although I'm not sure the residents of Dublin will thank you for labeling it a provincial town...

On today's evidence, Can isn't ready to start on the weekend. Hopefully he'll make the bench and get a bit more playing time.
Migs will stay as first choice between the sticks for the meantime and Milner will be back, left back.

As to who starts up front, Klopp only knows. Great to have such a strong squad, mostly injury free.

Actually read up on the lyrics whilst writing this down, and spent a fair amount of time at work today reading about Grasmere and the nuclear fallaout. I was ignorant enough to not even know that it was a town, let alone a reference to Sellafield and the Windscale fire.

“Panic” came about at the time of Chernobyl. Morrissey and myself were listening to a Newsbeat radio report about it. The story about this shocking disaster comes to an end and then, immediately, we’re off into Wham!’s “I’m Your Man”. I remember actually saying what the fuck has this got to do with peoples' lives? We hear about Chernobyl, then, seconds later, we’re expected to be jumping around to “I’m Your Man”
- Johnny Marr, NME, 1987

telekon · « **Reply #112 on:** September 21, 2016, 11:23:56 pm »

Quote from: Cracking Left Foot on September 21, 2016, 03:54:17 pm

Some good Smiths references there for us mid-80s indie kids.

Just hope we score loads. I know, there's more to life than goals, you know. But not much more.

You handsome devil!

ash2001 · « **Reply #113 on:** September 21, 2016, 11:24:04 pm »

The key to beat team that sit deep is Matip, there will a lot of space to move to and will be difficult to mark. He is the type of defender that I wanted at LFC for ages,

Garnier · « **Reply #114 on:** September 21, 2016, 11:45:05 pm »

F*ck off Curtis Davies

for no reason in particular

Fiasco · « **Reply #115 on:** September 21, 2016, 11:51:25 pm »

An early goal is key for us here, just like it was against Leicester. An early goal will force Hull to change their gameplan and attack us more (even subconsciously) and the space should open up for us to get three or four.

Should Hull get to the half hour mark without conceding then their confidence will rise, we might get frustrated and start getting desperate. I fancy us to get the job done though.

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #116 on:** September 22, 2016, 01:11:06 am »

We need to score early. The longer it goes without us scoring, the harder it will become for us to break them down. Just win, any way, any how, just win. Deflected goals, own goals, from the spot, it doesn't matter, if we can win with half a goal, I would take it.

jooneyisdagod · « **Reply #117 on:** September 22, 2016, 03:04:51 am »

Quote from: JoeCole is for life, not just Christmas! on September 21, 2016, 02:34:16 pm

You can say the exact same for Sturridge, Firmino and Mane though.

No, I don't think you can. Firmino and Mane have a case, but I don't think the same applies to Sturridge. Ultimately, Coutinho has pulled out more games out of the fire for us in recent seasons than any other player in the squad by a long distance. That alone should see him in the line up.

KopThat · « **Reply #118 on:** September 22, 2016, 03:37:48 am »

It's nice to have a selection dilemma with all of our attacking players a goal threat.

Firmino Sturridge and Mane as a front three - it's hard to leave Coutinho out though
with Wijnaldum Henderson and Lallana in the midfield - not sure Can is back to full fitness yet.
The back four picks itself Clyne, Matip, Lovren and I think Milner should start at left back
Migs should keep his spot

Number 7 · « **Reply #119 on:** September 22, 2016, 03:41:22 am »

Great OP. Thanks Telekon.

Difficult game, and it always makes you weary because it's games like this we should be winning. I mean don't get me wrong we should try and win every game, but this is the type of game we're expected to win. It won't be easy of course, as they'll turn up with their game plan to frustrate us.

For me, I'll say again, like I've been doing for a few PL games, Sturridge has to start. We've essentially got the same dilemma we had last week against Chelsea, but a minor injury to Firmino meant that it ended up being an easy decision. Coutinho and Firmino were dynamite together against Derby and I just don't know how you can't play them again here. But I also know it's Hull, they're going to dig in, and they're going to have 2 banks of 4. We're at Anfield and with a bit more space we'll get here you just have to go with Sturridge.

I totally agree with Funky, that we need pace and movement up top to move them around. An early goal would essentially open up the game and I could see us go on to win 2-0/3-0.