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« Reply #6080 on: April 23, 2017, 03:36:40 pm »
What would have been interesting and actually in line with Europe would be an August shutdown. It's something we have to deal with a lot when we order stuff from Europe but it has advantages for workers and businesses.

The only major disadvantage is that it puts pressure on holiday destinations.
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« Reply #6081 on: April 23, 2017, 03:52:04 pm »
What would have been interesting and actually in line with Europe would be an August shutdown. It's something we have to deal with a lot when we order stuff from Europe but it has advantages for workers and businesses.

The only major disadvantage is that it puts pressure on holiday destinations.

We had that once in the NW, Wakes Week.

It fizzled out in the 80's when manufacturing declined.
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« Reply #6082 on: April 23, 2017, 03:53:46 pm »
Hahaha never thought id see such pissing and moaning over 4 extra bank holidays. "Oh but its shit months to have a day off, the weather will be shit." Its the UK for christ sake, the weathers always shit. People work enough as it is, this is a nice little bonus for those hard working people, the vast majority of which couldnt give a fuck what time of year it is, its just a day off work. What a thing to get worked up about.

Dont worry folks the way the polls are looking and with you lot set to sulk off to the lib dems youll get your wish of seeing labour decimated. High five!

The only people who seem to want Labour decimated are Corbyn and his mates. It's yet another badly researched and poorly thought out policy that does fuck all to broaden Labour's appeal.

And do you think white van man is going to vote Labour because Jeremy has gone all unionist? It's appealing to his base but also just throws up more difficult questions. 'So Jeremy, you're in favour of a United Kingdom including Northern Ireland - do you now disagree with your previous support for the IRA and a united Ireland...'

You really don't seem to get what this is about. It's about Labour being electable. There will be no delight in seeing a shite Tory Party stroll to a landslide win. This election is only being called now because the Tories were worried Corbyn might step down.
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« Reply #6083 on: April 23, 2017, 04:12:47 pm »
We had that once in the NW, Wakes Week.

It fizzled out in the 80's when manufacturing declined.

I know - I thought about making that point. I'd like to think that Labour had undertaken some kind of strategic study of UK manufacturing and service industries and then reviewed benchmarking studies of what works in other countries. How would these proposed bank holidays fit into the national picture and how would it work internationally. What are actual working patterns for all workers (manufacturing, service and professional) and who would benefit and who would lose out?

4 extra bank holidays for service staff might just mean a reduction in non-statutory holidays to balance it out or having to work while others are on holiday.

I sometimes think that Corbyn and his circle need to broaden their contacts. 4 extra bank holidays for SMEs could be really problematic but Corbyn's mates are the likes of Len McCluskey and the large unions. 

We shouldn't be picking apart these policies on a footie website. There should be a dedicated team in Labour head office doing that before they see the light of day. Instead there seems to be a bunch of cheerleaders, yes men and backslappers reassuring each other what great ideas they are.

Any idea should be ripped apart and put back together. Talking points and the obvious attacks from all sides should be workshopped and responses prepared. Are they making us hostage to fortune? Do they contradict some contentious statement by Corbyn, McDonnell or Abbott?
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« Reply #6084 on: April 23, 2017, 04:22:45 pm »


It's actually all a bit worrying, this apparent lack of any worked out substance to their policies.
I know it's unlikely, but should McDonnell actually become Chancellor, it really doesn't bode too well for the state of the nation and while I know we are not in a good way, it could become a whole lot worse with amateurs in charge.
I asked a while back had McDonnell actually met anyone from Finance or the major Banks, even just to have an informal discussion, but I really fear like Burgon, he hasn't.
I expect he feels he doesn't need to, perhaps he envisages his reign as one of command and dictat.
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« Reply #6085 on: April 23, 2017, 06:29:41 pm »



This is where Labour is now - UKIP actively hoping one of their MPs keeps her seat.

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« Reply #6086 on: April 23, 2017, 06:43:13 pm »
Didn't Corbyn launch a party review into Trident, or did I just imagine it?

What happpebed to it?
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« Reply #6087 on: April 23, 2017, 06:49:37 pm »
It's actually all a bit worrying, this apparent lack of any worked out substance to their policies.
I know it's unlikely, but should McDonnell actually become Chancellor, it really doesn't bode too well for the state of the nation and while I know we are not in a good way, it could become a whole lot worse with amateurs in charge.
I asked a while back had McDonnell actually met anyone from Finance or the major Banks, even just to have an informal discussion, but I really fear like Burgon, he hasn't.
I expect he feels he doesn't need to, perhaps he envisages his reign as one of command and dictat.

Can't face the footie threads at the moment so...

If we're all honest, as someone else said this is about Corbyn and Momentum taking control of the Labour Party. For them the real enemies are the bosses and the Blairites. They need the bogeymen - the Tories and Israel and America - to define their position. Like Trada says, there's nothing so enjoyable as the struggle. The last thing Corbyn an McDonnell want is a contented society - class war is where it's at.

And talking of Class War, this is who is writing Labour's manifesto:

Labour’s election manifesto is being drawn up by an aide who once called for all banks to be nationalised and Britain to have a three-day week, it can be revealed.

Andrew Fisher, who joined Jeremy Corbyn’s team days after he won the Labour leadership, is understood to be leading the party's selection of policies for the election campaign.

He has previously suggested companies should be banned from sacking people and workers should be given powers to take over their businesses.

Mr Fisher has also backed abolishing the City of London and ending tax havens in the Channel Islands and the Cayman Islands.

The hard-Left ideas were contained in a book, The Failed Experiment: And How to Build an Economy That Works, which was published in 2014.

Mr Fisher questioned why politicians were "obsessed with economic growth" and suggested policy ideas in the wake of the 2008 financial crash.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/22/man-behind-jeremy-corbyns-election-manifesto-bring-three-day/

and...

One of Jeremy Corbyn’s senior advisors has been criticised for claiming he was joking when he appeared to call on voters to back one of Labour’s rivals. 

Andrew Fisher is facing calls for his expulsion after a tweet emerged in which he appeared to back the Class War general election candidate over Labour in Croydon South.

Mr Fisher, who was recently appointed to a key advisory role, has written to Labour’s general secretary Ian McNichol to apologise for the tweet, the LabourList website reported.

“I obviously do not and did not support Class War in any way, let alone in an election,” he said.

However, Labour MP Ian Austin accused Mr Fisher of showing “contempt” by claiming his words had been misinterpreted.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-adviser-andrew-fisher-criticised-after-claiming-call-to-back-class-war-party-was-a-a6715496.html

What could possibly go wrong there?...
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« Reply #6088 on: April 23, 2017, 08:19:19 pm »
Didn't Corbyn launch a party review into Trident, or did I just imagine it?

What happpebed to it?
@PA: #Breaking Labour still supports the renewal of Britain's Trident nuclear deterrent, party spokesman says

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« Reply #6089 on: April 23, 2017, 08:26:57 pm »
@PA: #Breaking Labour still supports the renewal of Britain's Trident nuclear deterrent, party spokesman says
But it's leader doesn't...

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« Reply #6091 on: April 23, 2017, 08:30:51 pm »
“Happiness can be found in the darkest of times, if one only remembers to turn on the light.”
“Generosity always pays off. Generosity in your effort, in your work, in your kindness, in the way you look after people and take care of people. In the long run, if you are generous with a heart, and with humanity, it always pays off.”
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« Reply #6092 on: April 23, 2017, 09:58:59 pm »
The campaign is everything we all said / thought it would be.

Every single interview and question is an own goal, and it's only just begun....

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« Reply #6093 on: April 23, 2017, 10:41:47 pm »
Didn't Corbyn launch a party review into Trident, or did I just imagine it?

What happpebed to it?

Pretty sure Ken Livingstone was working on that review of Trident and defense policy, before he got sidetracked trolling Jewish people like a c*nt. Another excellent appointment of his friends/family by Corbyn

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« Reply #6094 on: April 23, 2017, 11:40:44 pm »
Pretty sure Ken Livingstone was working on that review of Trident and defense policy, before he got sidetracked trolling Jewish people like a c*nt. Another excellent appointment of his friends/family by Corbyn

Lady Nugee Emily Thornberry, the great white van man defence expert, was tasked with it.
I'm confident the Admiralty must have been in a panic over that.
Suprisingly, I've not heard anything more since.
I can't wonder why....
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« Reply #6095 on: April 23, 2017, 11:49:24 pm »
Lady Nugee Emily Thornberry, the great white van man defence expert, was tasked with it.
I'm confident the Admiralty must have been in a panic over that.
Suprisingly, I've not heard anything more since.
I can't wonder why....

Just for completeness, Livingstone was originally announced but then given a smaller role. Funnily enough, he was winding people up.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/15/ken-livingstone-sidelined-labour-defence-policy-review-emily-thornberry

Last I heard on Trident, Milne rewrote part of Clive Lewis's (who had picked up Shadow Defense at that point in the weekly raffle) conference speech last year in order to make Labour's policy position less clear (and to leave the door open for the leader to defy the members and the unions (again).

Lewis hit the wall. Literally. Since then he's been positioning himself to take over from Corbyn. Funny what happens when you fuck over colleagues

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« Reply #6096 on: April 23, 2017, 11:55:23 pm »
Just for completeness, Livingstone was originally announced but then given a smaller role.

Would that be an Oberst-Gruppenführer rather than a Reichsführer position?..... ;)
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« Reply #6097 on: April 23, 2017, 11:55:38 pm »
Lady Nugee Emily Thornberry, the great white van man defence expert, was tasked with it.
I'm confident the Admiralty must have been in a panic over that.
Suprisingly, I've not heard anything more since.
I can't wonder why....

Haha - that's a gem. They are going to assess the threats to Britains security:

By seeking evidence from conflict analysts, trade unions, Labour members and the British public on these three questions, we can then address what assets and approaches Britain needs to pursue a foreign and defence policy that is both value-driven and effectively responds to the threats facing Britain’s security.

Daft of me I know but maybe defence specialists and the military might have been in their with Labour members, the trades unions and the British public? And what exactly are 'conflict analysts' in this context?
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« Reply #6098 on: April 23, 2017, 11:56:59 pm »
Just for completeness, Livingstone was originally announced but then given a smaller role. Funnily enough, he was winding people up.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/15/ken-livingstone-sidelined-labour-defence-policy-review-emily-thornberry

Last I heard on Trident, Milne rewrote part of Clive Lewis's (who had picked up Shadow Defense at that point in the weekly raffle) conference speech last year in order to make Labour's policy position less clear (and to leave the door open for the leader to defy the members and the unions (again).

Lewis hit the wall. Literally. Since then he's been positioning himself to take over from Corbyn. Funny what happens when you fuck over colleagues

Isn't Lewis's seat under threat?
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« Reply #6099 on: April 23, 2017, 11:58:31 pm »
Haha - that's a gem. They are going to assess the threats to Britains security:

By seeking evidence from conflict analysts, trade unions, Labour members and the British public on these three questions, we can then address what assets and approaches Britain needs to pursue a foreign and defence policy that is both value-driven and effectively responds to the threats facing Britain’s security.

Daft of me I know but maybe defence specialists and the military might have been in their with Labour members, the trades unions and the British public? And what exactly are 'conflict analysts' in this context?

Their PA. They analyse just how much conflict Corbyn's preferred policy will cause in the PLP. Then implement it any way.

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« Reply #6100 on: April 24, 2017, 12:07:14 am »
Would that be an Oberst-Gruppenführer rather than a Reichsführer position?..... ;)

Of course, they still cooperated with each other. That's just a historical fact, noone can deny what I'm saying... ;)


Daft of me I know but maybe defence specialists and the military might have been in their with Labour members, the trades unions and the British public? And what exactly are 'conflict analysts' in this context?

Is it possibly just code for Gerry Adams?

Isn't Lewis's seat under threat?

So I hear. Well, he was talking up 'progressive alliances' when he was still one of Corbyn's cronies, and effectively promoted the Green party and Lucas. He ought to hope it was reciprocal (or that his Labour voters shift to the LDs or Greens instead of the Cons, if he really believed what he said) given the 2015 results make up:

Party   Candidate   Votes   %   ±
Labour   Clive Lewis   19,033   39.3   +10.6
Conservative   Lisa Townsend   11,379   23.5   +0.6
Green   Lesley Grahame   6,749   13.9   -1.0
Liberal Democrat   Simon Wright   6,607   13.6   -15.7
UKIP   Steve Emmens   4,539   9.4   +7.0

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« Reply #6101 on: April 24, 2017, 12:13:06 am »
Isn't Lewis's seat under threat?

He's holding an 8,000 majority but there's always been talk of his seat being under threat. Resigning over Brexit in a remain seat might stand him in good stead and stop leaking votes to the Lib Dems.  I'd imagine it'll be close given the polls though.

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« Reply #6102 on: April 24, 2017, 06:44:04 am »
Isn't Lewis's seat under threat?
The consensus is that he's almost certain to lose his seat..

But obviously local politics (remain voters etc) would affect that.
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« Reply #6103 on: April 24, 2017, 09:35:17 am »
Just checked how big JCs majority is in Islington North, there's no chance he'll lose his seat.

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« Reply #6104 on: April 24, 2017, 11:16:23 am »
Just checked how big JCs majority is in Islington North, there's no chance he'll lose his seat.

This is not normal times.

Islington: REMAIN 76,420 LEAVE 25,180

If the Lib Dem candidate can mobilise that Remain vote, and tap into the centre left that is disillusioned with the Corbyn leadership, then there is a potential pool of voters to cause an upset. A smart local campaign building on that sense of betrayal could make huge inroads.

Throw in the arch Leavers who will be tempted by the Tories/UKIP and there are enormous pressures on his vote. It would certainly be unprecedented, but what isn't about this election?

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« Reply #6105 on: April 24, 2017, 12:55:12 pm »
This is not normal times.

Islington: REMAIN 76,420 LEAVE 25,180

If the Lib Dem candidate can mobilise that Remain vote, and tap into the centre left that is disillusioned with the Corbyn leadership, then there is a potential pool of voters to cause an upset. A smart local campaign building on that sense of betrayal could make huge inroads.

Throw in the arch Leavers who will be tempted by the Tories/UKIP and there are enormous pressures on his vote. It would certainly be unprecedented, but what isn't about this election?
Corbyn will hold his seat comfortably I suspect.

Despite my enormous reservations about him as a leader of a political party (or anything for that matter), he has decades of being a committed and dedicated MP for the area.

He's well liked by his constituents, so I don't see any reason why he would lose his seat.
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« Reply #6106 on: April 24, 2017, 12:59:33 pm »
Corbyn will hold his seat comfortably I suspect.

Despite my enormous reservations about him as a leader of a political party (or anything for that matter), he has decades of being a committed and dedicated MP for the area.

He's well liked by his constituents, so I don't see any reason why he would lose his seat.

Oh, it is still overwhelmingly likely that he holds his seat, but there are huge unknowns, and sufficient numbers of voters with grievances that there is a path to unseat him. It would take a local campaign to build up enormous momentum...

Of course if he runs with local campaign with the efficiency that he runs the Labour Party, he'll be home free. 

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« Reply #6107 on: April 24, 2017, 01:01:38 pm »
He's well liked by his constituents, so I don't see any reason why he would lose his seat.

Besides capitulation on the single most important issue facing the country, and the destruction of Labour as a credible opposition, leading to an inevitable Tory landslide. But on the other side, he is a nice chap who brings jam to the Fetes.


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« Reply #6108 on: April 24, 2017, 01:04:26 pm »
Besides capitulation on the single most important issue facing the country, and the destruction of Labour as a credible opposition, leading to an inevitable Tory landslide. But on the other side, he is a nice chap who brings jam to the Fetes.


:D

But that's probably enough to get him re-elected.

Although John Redwood gets re-elected and he couldn't give two shits about his constituents!
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« Reply #6109 on: April 24, 2017, 03:29:14 pm »
Sadiq Khan gave a solid endorsement for Corbyn earlier. Amazing, the upsides you get from having competent politicians - not addicted to equivocation - delivering clearly communicated messages!

Khan rising above the lies slung from Corbyn's faction and supporters too, shows himself to be a much bigger person than Corbyn

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« Reply #6110 on: April 24, 2017, 08:07:48 pm »
Carwyn Jones, First Minister of Wales, on Corbyn (selectively quoting what he's highlighting as issues):

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In an interview with the Guardian, Jones said: “It is clear Jeremy has work to do to convince people he is a leader. He knows that and over the next few weeks he has to show people he is a good candidate for prime minister.”

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"One of the things you have to do in leadership is give a straight answer. Otherwise people will interpret your answer in many different ways. My answer is quite simply, yes, we do replace Trident.

“It’s hugely important as a party that you are able to convince people you are going to keep them secure. Trident is a deterrent. It doesn’t keep us secure against terrorism. That’s why it’s so important that we need to bolster our armed forces to meet the immediate threat that exists in Europe at the moment.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/24/wales-poll-suggests-labour-could-lose-century-long-dominance

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« Reply #6113 on: April 25, 2017, 07:34:16 am »
;D

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« Reply #6114 on: April 25, 2017, 07:35:04 am »
He's well liked by his constituents, so I don't see any reason why he would lose his seat.

I'm one (since 2 yrs ago) and I don't like him. Completely torn as I am actually voting for/against him, but I have never voted anything other than Lab.

Based on my extensive polling research* no one here is voting for him.
*Sample size of 2, me and the Mrs.

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« Reply #6115 on: April 25, 2017, 09:32:35 am »
Labour voted for the election.
I don't get your point.
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« Reply #6116 on: April 25, 2017, 10:04:13 am »
I don't get your point.

I'm sure he'll be able to explain better, but I assume he means that it'd be daft and hypocritical of Labour to attack the Tories for calling an early election when the Labour leadership whipped their MPs to vote in favour of the election in Parliament (which they almost unanimously did) - it makes any criticism seem hollow (actions louder than words etc..)

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« Reply #6117 on: April 25, 2017, 10:06:27 am »
I'm one (since 2 yrs ago) and I don't like him. Completely torn as I am actually voting for/against him, but I have never voted anything other than Lab.

Based on my extensive polling research* no one here is voting for him.
*Sample size of 2, me and the Mrs.

Only anecdotal, I know, but four only Labour voting friends of mine (a couple are members) in Islington North will also not be voting Corbyn. A couple of only Labour voting mates also weighing up him or a Lib Dem

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« Reply #6118 on: April 25, 2017, 10:39:00 am »
I'm sure he'll be able to explain better, but I assume he means that it'd be daft and hypocritical of Labour to attack the Tories for calling an early election when the Labour leadership whipped their MPs to vote in favour of the election in Parliament (which they almost unanimously did) - it makes any criticism seem hollow (actions louder than words etc..)

Exactly. If you disagreed with the early election you should have voted against it, and polls suggest the country thinks May was right to call it.

And Corbyn is on shaky ground if people start quoting what he's said in the past against him - the most obvious being Brexit. He was a Remain campaigner (in theory) but is now committed to leaving the EU.
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« Reply #6119 on: April 25, 2017, 10:49:19 am »
Had Corbyn said he was against an early election? I've been out of the country for a bit.
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