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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #200 on: July 1, 2016, 06:31:15 pm »
Think he loses his starting spot to Mane so 2017 super sub of the year maybe more likely.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #201 on: July 1, 2016, 06:37:45 pm »
I still can't make my mind up about Lallana.

He can be great on the ball and his technique is excellent

But he's a massive fanny when it comes to tackling and turning possession over

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Jurgen decided to cash in if a 12M+ bid came in
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #202 on: July 1, 2016, 06:39:29 pm »
Think he loses his starting spot to Mane so 2017 super sub of the year maybe more likely.
I think Ings will be our modern day Fairclough and will win the super sub title.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #203 on: July 1, 2016, 07:01:28 pm »
I think Ings will be our modern day Fairclough and will win the super sub title.

Ings will be lucky to make the bench.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #204 on: July 1, 2016, 07:07:06 pm »
Ings will be lucky to make the bench.

Is that official ? Do you have access to something we dont know ? Because I like the lad and I think he'll be in contention.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #205 on: July 1, 2016, 07:12:03 pm »
Is that official ? Do you have access to something we dont know ? Because I like the lad and I think he'll be in contention.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #206 on: July 1, 2016, 07:16:00 pm »
Is that official ? Do you have access to something we dont know ? Because I like the lad and I think he'll be in contention.

Sorry, I assumed you would be able to decipher the code that when someone posts on an opinion forum that it's, you know, their opinion  ;)
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #207 on: July 1, 2016, 07:38:03 pm »
Sorry, I assumed you would be able to decipher the code that when someone posts on an opinion forum that it's, you know, their opinion  ;)

I can decipher codes and also offer you know, my opinion. I was asking if you had inside info. Don't get all smart arse.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #208 on: July 1, 2016, 07:41:12 pm »
I can decipher codes and also offer you know, my opinion. I was asking if you had inside info. Don't get all smart arse.

Haha sorry mate, thought you were being a smart arse with me.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #209 on: July 1, 2016, 07:54:28 pm »
Haha sorry mate, thought you were being a smart arse with me.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #210 on: July 1, 2016, 07:55:25 pm »
I still can't make my mind up about Lallana.

He can be great on the ball and his technique is excellent

But he's a massive fanny when it comes to tackling and turning possession over

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Jurgen decided to cash in if a 12M+ bid came in

I think he will stay, he doesn't produce enough end product and his finishing is really poor but his other attributes mean he will still be here

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #211 on: July 1, 2016, 07:57:07 pm »
I still can't make my mind up about Lallana.

He can be great on the ball and his technique is excellent

But he's a massive fanny when it comes to tackling and turning possession over

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Jurgen decided to cash in if a 12M+ bid came in

Suprised you've not caught a few with that  ;)

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #212 on: July 1, 2016, 10:02:53 pm »
Too skilful for England.

And too intelligent . If only he could learn the brainless runs and ineffective 50 yard passes.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #213 on: July 7, 2016, 11:54:29 pm »
Suprised you've not caught a few with that  ;)
here's one... bloody idiot, he's not the star but he is a team player and when we get the rest of the team in place he'll be appreciated and perhaps worth at least Ł13mill

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #214 on: July 8, 2016, 03:28:48 am »
Lallana will always divide opinion. One set of fans will see him as possessing wonderful technical abilities, great first touch and elegance - a purists player - and will always extol his virtues because of the fact that he "looks good" on the pitch and is very skilful. Another set of fans will call him out for the lack of measurable contribution in terms of assists, goals, chances created etc.

I don't know that one approach is better over the other. Lallana is certainly capable of scoring 10 in a season. He's competing with the likes of Firming, Coutinho, Mane etc. who probably bring more in terms of tangible results but are arguably less consistent or have less leadership and experience. I think Lallana's main detraction is his lack of pace. We looked unable to increase tempo and stretch the game with pace which is such a key asset in the PL. I think Lallana will play a role but perhaps as a squad player, while others are fit.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #215 on: July 8, 2016, 08:58:29 am »
Lallana will always divide opinion. One set of fans will see him as possessing wonderful technical abilities, great first touch and elegance - a purists player - and will always extol his virtues because of the fact that he "looks good" on the pitch and is very skilful. Another set of fans will call him out for the lack of measurable contribution in terms of assists, goals, chances created etc.

I don't know that one approach is better over the other. Lallana is certainly capable of scoring 10 in a season. He's competing with the likes of Firming, Coutinho, Mane etc. who probably bring more in terms of tangible results but are arguably less consistent or have less leadership and experience. I think Lallana's main detraction is his lack of pace. We looked unable to increase tempo and stretch the game with pace which is such a key asset in the PL. I think Lallana will play a role but perhaps as a squad player, while others are fit.
I think you're doing Lallana a disservice by not mentioning his workrate. I think he'll often play against the top teams because of his pressing, as well as his ability to play in tight spaces, which you alluded to.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #216 on: July 8, 2016, 11:57:12 am »
I think he's got considerably quicker under Klopp, too. Is he really any slower than Firmino?

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #217 on: July 8, 2016, 11:59:18 am »
Lallana is certainly capable of scoring 10 in a season.

This is it for me. I think he's a great player, and he has that ability to score 10+ goals a season as gets into the positions - he just fluffs it more often than not.

If he can sort that out he's as good as anyone in his position at the club imo.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #218 on: July 8, 2016, 11:23:48 pm »
This is it for me. I think he's a great player, and he has that ability to score 10+ goals a season as gets into the positions - he just fluffs it more often than not.

If he can sort that out he's as good as anyone in his position at the club imo.

He's 28 and has never had a good end product. I think it's unlikely that will drastically change now.



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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #219 on: July 8, 2016, 11:27:50 pm »
I still can't make my mind up about Lallana.

He can be great on the ball and his technique is excellent

But he's a massive fanny when it comes to tackling and turning possession over

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Jurgen decided to cash in if a 12M+ bid came in

12m in this climate would be horrendous, at least 20m if not 25m.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #220 on: July 8, 2016, 11:49:11 pm »
He's 28 and has never had a good end product. I think it's unlikely that will drastically change now.




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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #221 on: July 9, 2016, 02:17:39 pm »
He's 28 and has never had a good end product. I think it's unlikely that will drastically change now.
in 2013/14 he had 9 goals + 7 assists, roughly the same as Aaron Ramsey (10+7) and David Silva (7+10). Only Yaya (20+9) and Gerrard (13+14) had significantly more from midfield (and many of their goals were pens).

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Combined_2013-14.html
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #222 on: July 9, 2016, 02:41:30 pm »
in 2013/14 he had 9 goals + 7 assists, roughly the same as Aaron Ramsey (10+7) and David Silva (7+10). Only Yaya (20+9) and Gerrard (13+14) had significantly more from midfield (and many of their goals were pens).

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Combined_2013-14.html

Before Benteke came to Liverpool he was a 1 in 2 striker.
I have a lot of time for Lallana but (imho) he is the one making way for Mané. His goal and assist return doesn't justify his position in the attacking 3 behind the striker.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #223 on: July 9, 2016, 02:42:58 pm »
Before Benteke came to Liverpool he was a 1 in 2 striker.

And he was for us too - 1529mins, 9 goals. 1 every 170mins.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #224 on: July 9, 2016, 02:46:12 pm »
I can hear it now, 'Klopp Out' shouts when Lallana's name appears on the first eleven teamsheet.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #225 on: July 9, 2016, 02:47:57 pm »
Before Benteke came to Liverpool he was a 1 in 2 striker.
I have a lot of time for Lallana but (imho) he is the one making way for Mané. His goal and assist return doesn't justify his position in the attacking 3 behind the striker.
I agree that he's the one who will make way, but it's a long season and he'll get plenty of game time and starts too.

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« Reply #226 on: July 9, 2016, 02:55:55 pm »
I agree that he's the one who will make way, but it's a long season and he'll get plenty of game time and starts too.
For me, horses for courses approach would be the most sensible one regarding Lallana. In the games like Arsenal away or any game where we expect opponent to have a go at us Lallana would be one of the first names on the team-sheet for me as his ball retention skills and pressing would be crucial for us to compete in those games.

But for the most part we`ll be up against teams defending in a low block against us and I`d rather go with players who can run at people, win penalties, fouls etc, etc. In these kind of games Lallana`s main qualities won`t be needed as much.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #227 on: July 9, 2016, 03:02:56 pm »
Ings will be lucky to make the bench.
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« Reply #228 on: July 9, 2016, 03:13:35 pm »
For me, horses for courses approach would be the most sensible one regarding Lallana. In the games like Arsenal away or any game where we expect opponent to have a go at us Lallana would be one of the first names on the team-sheet for me as his ball retention skills and pressing would be crucial for us to compete in those games.

But for the most part we`ll be up against teams defending in a low block against us and I`d rather go with players who can run at people, win penalties, fouls etc, etc. In these kind of games Lallana`s main qualities won`t be needed as much.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #229 on: July 9, 2016, 03:18:10 pm »
You have no idea what you're talking about ...

Really? If we sign a new CM that'll will likely mean Henderson, Milner, Lallana and one of Origi or Sturridge on the bench. That's 4 spots. A keeper and a CB make 6. So one spot left.

Assuming everyone fit that is. Most likely that won't happen most weeks but I'm talking about if everyone is fit.


Edit: On Lallana, he'll be very important this season. He's basically first reserve for those attacking three position so I'd still expect him to start at least half our league games when you take injuries and AFCON in to consideration.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #230 on: July 9, 2016, 03:33:50 pm »
in 2013/14 he had 9 goals + 7 assists, roughly the same as Aaron Ramsey (10+7) and David Silva (7+10). Only Yaya (20+9) and Gerrard (13+14) had significantly more from midfield (and many of their goals were pens).

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Combined_2013-14.html

That's his best season and still didn't get 10 goals. His next best Premier league total is 5 goals in a season. In four season he has only scored 21 league goals. He scores close to a goal every 5.5 to 6 games.

Also worth noting that Ramey started something like 15 games less than Lallana that season and Silva started around 10 games less.

This doesn't mean I don't think he is useful. He will be important this year and was very good last season but his end product is poor. It's wishful thinking that he will suddenly start scoring more. It might happen but he hasn't shown anything to suggest he will and I wouldn't bet on it. Is end product is very poor.

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« Reply #231 on: July 9, 2016, 03:45:10 pm »
That's his best season and still didn't get 10 goals. His next best Premier league total is 5 goals in a season. In four season he has only scored 21 league goals. He scores close to a goal every 5.5 to 6 games.

Also worth noting that Ramey started something like 15 games less than Lallana that season and Silva started around 10 games less.

This doesn't mean I don't think he is useful. He will be important this year and was very good last season but his end product is poor. It's wishful thinking that he will suddenly start scoring more. It might happen but he hasn't shown anything to suggest he will and I wouldn't bet on it. Is end product is very poor.
Cool, thanks for checking all the stats. I guess his lack of end-product is more of an issue in a team without other people scoring, but when he's surrounded by players like Mané, Sturridge, etc and playing a key role in getting them the ball in dangerous positions then it's much less of an issue.

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« Reply #232 on: July 9, 2016, 04:08:02 pm »
Cool, thanks for checking all the stats. I guess his lack of end-product is more of an issue in a team without other people scoring, but when he's surrounded by players like Mané, Sturridge, etc and playing a key role in getting them the ball in dangerous positions then it's much less of an issue.

yeah. I hated it when Rodgers played Sterling up front with Coutinho and Lallana behind him. All three don't score enough. With Sturridge, Firmino, Origi and Mane (admit I haven't seen much of him and no idea how good he is) I don't see it as a problem. He still offers a lot.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #233 on: July 31, 2016, 01:11:43 pm »
Would anyone support a theory that he could be deployed further back in a (attacking) midfield role, in a midfield three. Hate to use the term, but he has defined the role - the Modric role; an attacking, creative player who can put in a tackle and work hard for the team. Rogers employed Coutinho there during the 2013 season season, but for all the creativity Coutinho offered he did make the midfield lite against the top teams.

Lallana's work rate under Klopp has been outstanding, he's really stepped it up. But for all the Cryuff step overs, he still doesn't give enough creatively; be it goals, assists, crosses, pace, etc

We do seem to lack some creativity in the middle, and Lallana may offer that perfect balance. Thoughts?
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« Reply #234 on: July 31, 2016, 01:18:01 pm »
Not for me, not even close. Lallana lacks just about everything Modric has, the grit, the passing, the vision, the genius, the timing, the tackling ability....he's too indecisive and too much of a ball-hogger to play that midfield role.


After two years here, I think it's about time Lallana takes up a role more suited to his skillset. One of a squad player.

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« Reply #235 on: July 31, 2016, 01:18:44 pm »
We do seem to lack some creativity in the middle, and Lallana may offer that perfect balance. Thoughts?
I`ve been saying for months and months I don`t want to see him in the final third but further back in midfield 3. His incredible skills could be invaluable there, his pivot qualities and ability in tight spaces could do wonders for us linking up the play between Can and our attacking players. He has everything for that role with the slight question mark over his tackling.

It was not fair on him to ask him to get into the box and finish as he`s simply not that guy but having someone of his superior technique in the middle of the park giving you the edge in ball possession and having him knit the play and facilitate for our attacking players is incredibly appealing.

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« Reply #236 on: July 31, 2016, 09:22:53 pm »
I remember he either came on or dropped back there at home to Bournemouth at the start of last season, and he kept the ball brilliantly in tight areas when they were pushing for an equaliser at 1-0. Rodgers possibly bought him for that role in a diamond.

I think he lacks a bit of physicality and drive to be a first-teamer in a deeper midfield role but its another position where he can look at filling in for people. I still think he'll have runs of games this season where he'll be first choice, his quality and pressing is too good not to whether its off the front or shuttling in a midfield three.

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« Reply #237 on: August 3, 2016, 03:19:24 am »
Haven't posted for years but off work for a week and this morning a song for Lallana came to me in a flash of inspiration and I felt I needed to share. It's to the tune of A-ha - Take On Me. Bear with me cos this could well be the lingering effects of last night's vino:

Starts from first verse (Talking away....)

Adam Lallana
He gets the ball and he Cruyff turns
Adam Lallana
He gets the ball and he Cruyff turns
Adam Lallanaaaaaa
He gets the ball and he Cruyff turns
(I thought the repetition here reflects the reality quite well!)

La laaaaaa Naaaaaaaa
Adam Lallana
La Laaaaa Naaaaaaaaa
Adam Lallana
La Laaaaa Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Rinse and repeat

Ok, fair enough. I'll leave this posting lark. Cheers.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #238 on: August 3, 2016, 03:47:02 am »
It's strange - of our midfielders, so few of them are suited to positions in a 4-2-3-1. You could argue that Hendo, Milner, Coutinho and maybe Lallana too would find their best position to be part of a midfield 3. Coutinho, as we saw under Rodgers, is at his absolute best in the number 8 position. He can make space from deep, run with the ball, and unlock a defence with a pass without shirking the dirty work. Lallana, arguably, could offer similar qualities. However, they both distinctly lack the physicality to work in a midfield 2, which means they're limited to what are essentially forwards' positions despite neither being really natural goal scorers. Meanwhile, Hendo and Milner are engines, good at almost everything without being world class at anything in particular. They are the perfect players for a midfield 3, but less than ideal for a midfield 2. It's a curious thing really, and it makes me wonder about what Klopp's got planned for the future. In Grujic and Wijnaldum, he's brought in midfielders very different from what we have already, and who seem, on paper, much better suited to playing in a midfield pair.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #239 on: August 3, 2016, 04:28:47 am »
Reminds me of a poor man's version of Kagawa in terms of skill and circumstance.  Similarly good technically, but with even less end product to show for it.  For whatever reason, prolly fair to say he hasn't quite hit the heights you lot would have expected.  Sane will take his spot in the 1st XI, but he'll still likely fill a useful role as a squad player.