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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2009, 11:56:26 pm »
Watched their match against Udinese today. Came on when Milan were down 1 nil and really changed the game playing behind the striker. May not have the same strength and speed anymore, and defenders know a bit more about what to expect - but his awareness is still amazing. The amount of thru balls he put in to the strikers in crowded areas within 20 minutes was amazing.

Unfortunately, Leonardo is a bit of a tool. Took off Inzaghi and Pato, and left Ronaldinho with Huntelaar to supply to. The movement in front of him turned to shit, and he still managed to generate quite a few chances himself, even after Milan went down to 10 men.

He may not be the player he once was - but he's nowhere near past it.
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2009, 06:24:30 am »
Same age roughly as Gerrard, and look how Gerrard has kicked on since 2005, to where he's at now..which is somewhere near his peak.

Shows how much football is also really down to mentality at the very, very top level, rather than just ability.
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2009, 08:31:28 pm »
He's clearly lost the motivation and that's because of the fall out with Rikjard at Barca

Or because he's a pisshead. He was fat when we beat them in the Nou Camp. Classic Brazilian stuff.
He was unbelievable at his best though. Did things that Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo still don't do.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2009, 08:36:41 pm »
Or because he's a pisshead. He was fat when we beat them in the Nou Camp. Classic Brazilian stuff.
He was unbelievable at his best though. Did things that Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo still don't do.
You could also say that Messi does what Ronaldinho never did.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2009, 08:40:11 pm »
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2009, 08:44:22 pm »
really want to see him at the world cup, hopefully he can really get into gear for it at the very least.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2009, 09:17:13 pm »
Still think he's a class footballer - he just needs to check the attitude and find that passion and determination.
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2009, 09:17:32 pm »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoLcISqhZGw the man was class,

Just watched that short clip and then went for a trip down memory lane on Youtube for just about half an hour, just finding all his mad shit.  Just amazing, just truly amazing with the ball at his feet.  I don't think a lack of pace would dampen his ability, if you re-watch all his stuff he never really beat a man for pace ever.  It was his awareness of where other people are, his awareness of the movement of his opponent, and his ability to manipulate the ball under intense pressure that made him stand out.
He could still be a star anywhere.  Whether or not he's too arsed about it is another question altogether.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2009, 07:11:31 am »
A loan option could be a good bet provided Benitez would want to take a punt.

If he is not in the first team week in week out for Milan, then he may consider it.
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2009, 08:47:22 am »
I'd have him here for 10m in a heartbeat. It's about fitness for me. Get him fit, off the booze (If he enev is) and he'd add a lot more than say Babel(just an example)

I still believe his best was better that C Ronaldo best and Messi's best. Opininion of course.




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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2009, 09:38:52 am »
He should follow fat Ronaldo's example.

Go back to Brazil and shag trannies? Dont really see how that helps his career mate...
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2009, 09:44:00 am »
Go back to Brazil and shag trannies? Dont really see how that helps his career mate...

:lmao

It's a nice comparision though. Ronaldinho seems to be happy with what he has achieved in football and I don't think he's too arsed whether he plays on a regular basis or not. Compare that to Ronaldo who has suffered some major injuries and looked like he was finished, but he's still going even if it's 'just' back in Brazil.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2009, 10:15:46 am »
I'd have him here for 10m in a heartbeat. It's about fitness for me. Get him fit, off the booze (If he enev is) and he'd add a lot more than say Babel(just an example)

I still believe his best was better that C Ronaldo best and Messi's best. Opininion of course.





Its not just a lack of fitness is it? Its a lack of the will to get fit again, which is infinitely worse, especially when you consider that he'd be playing for Rafa who definitely wouldn't stand for somebody lazing around when they're clearly not in any state, mentaly or physically, to be playing football at this level.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2009, 10:34:07 am »
Its not just a lack of fitness is it? Its a lack of the will to get fit again, which is infinitely worse, especially when you consider that he'd be playing for Rafa who definitely wouldn't stand for somebody lazing around when they're clearly not in any state, mentaly or physically, to be playing football at this level.
I know what you're saying. But just imagine even a %75 fit Ronaldinho running round for us. It'd take a lot of pressure off Gerrard/ Torres. Not going to happen, but would love to see it happen in Jan, even as a loan with an option to buy, maybe it'd be the kick up the arse he needs. With the money we've got/ hacen't got it's the type of risks I think we need to take. See Masch for risky deals.
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2009, 07:14:50 pm »
I'd have him here in a heartbeat. Can still change games.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2009, 08:58:48 pm »
Just missed an open goal from no more than 10 yrds out. Header which bounced infront of him from the keeper saving a free kick. Hardly watched the game, so not sure how he has done other than that.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2009, 10:06:27 pm »
Ronaldinho, EtoO and Deco not being as good as they were at Barca in their respective clubs got me thinking. Yes, Barca got rid of them (Ronaldinho and Deco) in right time, as they lost interest. But can their failure IN PART be explained that they don't have Barca system around, that they don't have Xavi and Iniesta who keep the ball at least 66% of time and give them the ball time and again?

They were and are great players, but, IMO, Xavi and Iniesta were crucial for their success.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2009, 10:10:05 pm »
well from what I saw tonight against Bari the only thing Ronaldinho has still got is his smile!
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2009, 10:13:02 pm »
Ronaldinho, EtoO and Deco not being as good as they were at Barca in their respective clubs got me thinking. Yes, Barca got rid of them (Ronaldinho and Deco) in right time, as they lost interest. But can their failure IN PART be explained that they don't have Barca system around, that they don't have Xavi and Iniesta who keep the ball at least 66% of time and give them the ball time and again?

They were and are great players, but, IMO, Xavi and Iniesta were crucial for their success.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #59 on: September 27, 2009, 10:16:00 pm »
They were and are great players, but, IMO, Xavi and Iniesta were crucial for their success.

They weren't. Ronaldinho was pants when he was still with Barca and that's why you got rid of him. Deco is 32 and certainly not getting better as time goes by. He's also facing a lot of competition at Chelsea with Fatty McFat, Ballack, Essien and even Mikel. Of course you'll play better with better players around you and a system that you know very well, but to say that Deco, Ronaldinho and Eto'o (who has just arrived at Inter two months ago or so) are underperforming because they miss Xavi and Iniesta is bollocks...

And wasn't Iniesta injured a lot when Ronaldinho was playing well? I seem to remember something like that.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #60 on: September 27, 2009, 10:19:45 pm »
brilliant player back in the day, shame to see him fade away so badly but lets have it right hes no zidane!
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2009, 04:51:03 pm »
Stumbled upon this:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=674506&sec=europe&root=europe&cc=4716

Ronaldinho: It's win or bust for me now

September 10, 2009

As the last World Cup season kicked into gear back in 2005, Ronaldinho was universally regarded as the finest player on the planet.

Consistent genius is not a quality too many have perfected over the years, yet the 'goofy one' seemed capable of producing just that as he sparked up stages aplenty with Barcelona and Brazil and targeted glory in a World Cup finals that could have confirmed his legendary status.

As it turned out, the 2006 jamboree in Germany proved to be a tournament to forget for Ronaldinho and Brazil as both the star man and his celebrated team failed to live up to their billing in alarming fashion. A quarter-final exit at the hands of France was all too predictable after some poor displays in the group stages and 'Ronnie's' fall from hero to zero was a rapid one.

Just a few weeks after winning the Champions League with Barcelona, his star was on the wane as the next season got underway and he has never fully rehabilitated himself on the world stage in the years that have followed.

Now 29, he should be at the peak of his powers, yet it is as if his glory days seem long gone. After being eased out of Barcelona in 2008, Ronaldinho's move to AC Milan was designed to reinvigorate his career and yet he has rarely looked like the player who was feared by all in his new Rossoneri colours.

Substituted in the harrowing 4-0 defeat against local rivals Inter in his last Serie A outing, he is in need of a starring performance as Milan take on Livorno this Saturday.

"I realise that I don't have the right to fail this season," begins Ronaldinho. "It really is win or bust for me from now on. I had such high hopes after arriving at Milan and was devastated I could only partially show everybody what I'm capable of.

"Now I have got a second chance to make a great impact here and I'm hoping to turn the negative feelings I had into one big positive. I'm 150% ready to show everyone in Italy the real Ronaldinho. I'm burning to give the Milan fans the trophies they crave, as well as a lot of spectacle and entertainment. Every player at Milan is expected to find that little bit extra to get the club back on the right path as we need to be winning every season.

"That is especially true now that we are without Kaka and his departure leaves me feeling as if I have a lot of new responsibilities. We've lost a world-beater and a standard-bearer of the club, but now we have to go forward. If the fans stick with us, we can deliver in both in Serie A and the Champions League and it is up to me and the other senior players to lead the way and inspire those around us."

Ronaldinho's positive vibes need to be backed up with performances and the early signs are not good for a Kaka-less Milan this season. New coach Leonardo is already under pressure and the senior players in his squad need to fuse together quickly to create a competitive unit as Serie A swings back into gear after the international break.

"It has become a trend to say Milan are in crisis," continues Ronaldinho. "When I look at all the champions we have in this squad, I don't feel desolate and we can bounce back from our disappointments. I have never been one for half-hearted ambition. We have the ability to beat Inter, Juventus and the rest to the Serie A title and simply have to believe it.

"The journalists may not consider Milan to be serious contenders anymore, so it's up to us to prove them wrong. This lack of respect will spur us on and one big difference compared to last season is that we are all fit now.

"The Gods were not in our corner last season because the injuries we suffered were beyond belief, totally crazy. When you lose key guys like [Alessandro] Nesta, [Gennaro] Gattuso and [Andrea] Pirlo for long periods, there are bound to be bad consequences. We were fighting with only half our weapons, so hopefully we'll be playing to another script this season.

"Also, we are all fully behind our coach and want to help him to succeed at Milan. Leo is a very intelligent guy. Of course, as a Brazilian he has a romantic approach to the game, but at the same time, he has absorbed a lot of ideas from European football. He's a clever organiser and knows how to communicate with top players."

A return to form for Ronaldinho may be the quickest way for Leonardo and Milan to answer their critics and the man who wears the No.80 shirt insists his motivation is as high as ever as he enters another World Cup season.

"I started last season on cloud nine and felt as if I was getting my old sensations back," he concludes. "I was enjoying myself again and when I scored the winner in the derby against Inter, I felt as one with the fans.

"Then it did not progress. I had a leg muscle injury and in the second half of the season the coach (Carlo Ancelotti) didn't want to use me. He thought the team had a better balance without me. Naturally I didn't agree and I tried to show in training that I still had a lot to offer the team. It had no effect as I don't think I was Ancelotti's type of player.

"Now I want to prove I can be as good as before. I very much appreciate that the club owner Silvio Berlusconi and Leonardo have faith in me. It's great to have their backing and it's also fantastic that my team-mates are close to me. They want me to succeed and I always perform at my best when I'm completely at ease in my surroundings. That's the way it is for me in Milan today.

"I'm determined to prove that Ronaldinho did not die when he left Barcelona. I'm still only 29 and far from at the end of the line. I have plenty more goals to aim for, both collectively with Milan and individually."

They may be the words of a player trying to convince himself that his revival is imminent, but those who have watched Ronaldinho in action over the last couple of years can only come to the conclusion that he is a player in terminal decline.



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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2009, 04:59:53 pm »
Good interview, let's hope he can fulfil his true potential and get back
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #63 on: September 29, 2009, 09:21:49 am »
I feel sorry for the lad because Milan's success and failure will ultimately be considered in his hands solely.  People forget there are another 10 players on the pitch who have to give 100% as well, and yet the spotlight is firmly shone in Ronaldinho's face and not Pato's, Seedorf's, Huntelaar's, or Pirlo's mugs.
And lest you forget he has 10 goals in 38 games for them so far, he hasn't exactly been shit.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2009, 05:32:16 pm »
He definately showed glimpses of his old self against Cagliari.

Enjoy!

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2009, 05:34:19 pm »
He could have elivated himself to the same level as Pele and Maradona, but he royaly fucked that up.
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #66 on: November 24, 2009, 07:36:19 pm »
would sign him in a heart beat, with the right manager and team around here, could still be a world beater.

and shirt sales would be great ;-).
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2009, 04:17:50 am »
would sign him in a heart beat, with the right manager and team around here, could still be a world beater.

and shirt sales would be great ;-).
It is all about motivation and hard work. Even the most talented players look inconsistent when they aren't hungry. Even if Ronaldinho can push himself for 5-10 matches a season, that wouldn't be good enough for Liverpool. Because in other matches, he will be disappointing waste of space.

You don't have enough money, so better spend on some hungry decent player.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #68 on: April 29, 2017, 08:35:49 am »


When he was at his best in those couple of years for Barca he was just incredible. Seeing him gleefuly tear through the Madrid defense with long mazy runs twice in the same game is one of my favourite non-LFC memories.

Ronaldinho at his best was the best footballer I have ever seen play.

Roberto Carlos and Ronaldinho when I was younger was so majestic for me. I will always adore the two.

The latter just displayed his brilliance again with a hat-trick of assists. The first is simply ridiculous and indescribable in words.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #69 on: April 30, 2017, 06:23:17 am »
I remember that first Barca season in 03-04. I think he was injured for much of the first half of the season and Barca was languishing in mid-table. This was after three seasons in which they had finished 4th, 4th and 6th. Then he came back from injury and did absolutely everything for them. Knitting the play, assisting and scoring the goals, tracking back and tackling, leading the team by example. I don't know if he was ever as good later in his career as he was in that half a season in terms of his all round contribution. Barca finished second in 03-04, and then won the league the following season, and the CL/League double the season after.

When people memorialise the current Barca dynasty, its origins tend to be tied up with Pep, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi at al. But the way Ronaldinho turned it around for Barca in 03-04 probably had as much to do with it as anything.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #70 on: April 30, 2017, 07:25:08 am »
I remember that first Barca season in 03-04. I think he was injured for much of the first half of the season and Barca was languishing in mid-table. This was after three seasons in which they had finished 4th, 4th and 6th. Then he came back from injury and did absolutely everything for them. Knitting the play, assisting and scoring the goals, tracking back and tackling, leading the team by example. I don't know if he was ever as good later in his career as he was in that half a season in terms of his all round contribution. Barca finished second in 03-04, and then won the league the following season, and the CL/League double the season after.

When people memorialise the current Barca dynasty, its origins tend to be tied up with Pep, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi at al. But the way Ronaldinho turned it around for Barca in 03-04 probably had as much to do with it as anything.

He definetly had a huge impact on Barca´s success, he helped pave they way. He also helped Messi a lot in the beginning of his breakthrough. He recognized Messi's amazing talents quite early. In an interview, dont remember where, he said Messi was the future and would outdo all before him. Turns out he was right.

I loved watching Ronaldinho play, he always had a smile when playing. He loved playing football. You could always count on him for some magic moments. I think the injuries in his last season had a lot to do with his decline. He became less focused on the professional life. Maybe he lost some ambition, was tired of the pressure. It was sad because, it would have been great seeing him return close to his best alongside a young Messi.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #71 on: April 30, 2017, 09:18:37 am »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktqESOmtZWQ

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #72 on: April 30, 2017, 10:18:00 am »
Kaka will stay immune - mainly because of his religion I think.
Amazing how both these 2 Brazilian greats careers dwindled quickly in their prime.

One didn't have the professionalism and the other one got managed by that flair killer Mourinho.
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #73 on: April 30, 2017, 04:58:06 pm »
Amazing how both these 2 Brazilian greats careers dwindled quickly in their prime.

One didn't have the professionalism and the other one got managed by that flair killer Mourinho.

Think injuries also played a part in Kaka's case didn't they?

Ronaldinho is the most mesmerising player I've ever seen, even ahead of Ronaldo. There was just a samba style to his play that was absolutely stunning to watch.
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2017, 10:22:05 pm »
Kaka's issues stemmed from constant injuries, I think. Very Sturridge like, in that sense. Took away so much of his momentum at Madrid.

I also don't think Kaka necessarily wanted to leave Milan. Galliani had repeatedly said he was sold for economic reasons. The knee injuries obviously didn't help.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #75 on: April 30, 2017, 11:37:06 pm »
I also don't think Kaka necessarily wanted to leave Milan. Galliani had repeatedly said he was sold for economic reasons. The knee injuries obviously didn't help.

He still went to the US way too early. Could have played in Europe still. But Kaka had two years three max where he excelled in.

That's why ronaldo's and messi's period at the top is even more amazing because it's very rare that a player, let alone two, play at the standard they have for as long as they have.

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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #76 on: April 30, 2017, 11:49:14 pm »
ronaldinho was one of my favourite players of all time

Leonardo not so much. what a coward. a fraud of a manager also
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #77 on: April 30, 2017, 11:51:34 pm »
He still went to the US way too early. Could have played in Europe still. But Kaka had two years three max where he excelled in.

That's why ronaldo's and messi's period at the top is even more amazing because it's very rare that a player, let alone two, play at the standard they have for as long as they have.
It is also amazing that both started so young and still continue at the very top level well into their prime years.

Usually when a player starts so young (Owen, Fowler, Rooney, etc) they peak earlier and by the time they hit their 30s, they're not the same anymore.

Messi & Ronaldo are freaks of nature.
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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #78 on: May 1, 2017, 12:42:05 am »
It is also amazing that both started so young and still continue at the very top level well into their prime years.

Usually when a player starts so young (Owen, Fowler, Rooney, etc) they peak earlier and by the time they hit their 30s, they're not the same anymore.

Messi & Ronaldo are freaks of nature.

Yeah you are absolutely right. They have truly dominated in every sense of the word. Ronaldo since the 2007/2008 season and Messi since 2008/2009 have played consistently at a top level, in the process have set unbelievable standards and records, so much so anything less than that is viewed as below par, but in comparison to everyone else it's miles above.

People talking about Messi declining, yet he's the top goal-scorer in Spain for instance, with 33 some goals. Ronaldo scoring in Europe at a great rate. both still have plenty to give imo.


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Re: Leonardo: Ronaldinho 'not the player he once was'
« Reply #79 on: May 1, 2017, 08:56:19 am »
Ah Ronaldinho. Quite possibly the most entertaining player of all time to watch - genuinely curious to know if there are any football fans out there who didn't love to watch him play?
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