Topic: Liverpool FC ban the *** from Anfield and Melwood.

[ToneLa]

I hope this rolls and rolls. I've asked the FB group for a link to the eBay stickers, as long as it's not against the rules I will post the link when I get it - I post a lot of stickers around Cheshire and Merseyside.

This is the FB group behind the campaign if anyone doesn't know already:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1576357575995356/

[Persephone]

You're either (somehow) ignorant of the long and documented history of people dehumanizing blacks by comparing them to monkeys/chimps/etc as a racial slur, or you don't think it's big deal to be a casual racist

To say it's racial sensitivity hysteria is some major white supremacist bullshit.

Well said.

[John C]

I hope this rolls and rolls. I've asked the FB group for a link to the eBay stickers, as long as it's not against the rules I will post the link when I get it - I post a lot of stickers around Cheshire and Merseyside.

This is the FB group behind the campaign if anyone doesn't know already:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1576357575995356/

That and it's like are fine mate. It's only online articles that quote or relate to the scum that's forbidden.

[Durlmints]

You're either (somehow) ignorant of the long and documented history of people dehumanizing blacks by comparing them to monkeys/chimps/etc as a racial slur, or you don't think it's big deal to be a casual racist

To say it's racial sensitivity hysteria is some major white supremacist bullshit.

Really? You're just gonna throw that out there? Wind it in lad, calling people that.

You think Haemoglobin is a white supremacist? Really?

I actually agree with your overall point, but I don't agree with you being totally out of order. Totally uncalled for.

[Black Bull Nova]

Hold on - That shitty rag fucking published his article. Are they saying that it didn't go through an Editor before it was published? Bullshit. They gave his 'article' the green light, published it,  saw the outcry and then suspended him.

You sound surprised

Watching their own back like shiteheads like that do

McKenzie needs to be strapped to Aaron Banks an dropped down a deep well

[meady1981]

He's indicative of a type of person who is becoming more previlant in society. Offensive, crass, bigoted and ashamed of nothing. I fucking hate him, and if I told him he's be ecstatic.

[mersey_paradiso]

Just heard about this - what a c*nt.

Editor needs sacking too. I bet Murdoch knew all about this as well. Despicable bunch of lowlife scum the lot of them.

Hope Everton ban the rag now too.

[Haemoglobin]

To be fair, nobody is calling Bale subhuman for his chimp-like face, whilst linking black people to gorillas and other non-human primates is something racists have done for a very long time (it was even done towards the Irish in the 19th century).

You're either (somehow) ignorant of the long and documented history of people dehumanizing blacks by comparing them to monkeys/chimps/etc as a racial slur, or you don't think it's big deal to be a casual racist

To say it's racial sensitivity hysteria is some major white supremacist bullshit.

I love how yous think you're giving me an education here.

Once you know the person in question has black lineage, it's 100% racist due to historical precedent, right? And if you don't know, or if indeed they don't actually have any recent black ancestry, it therefore isn't 100% racist, because race was not even a consideration in the comparison being made, yes? So the 100% racist part does not depend solely on the race of the subject, but on the offending party's knowledge of said subject's race (when it isn't obvious), and consequently the intent and the context. Voila.

I said racial sensitivity hysteria is tiresome, and you're only proving my point by telling me I'm a white supremacist who thinks it's okay to be a casual racist. I don't recall saying anywhere in my post that it's 'okay' to compare a black person to an ape.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Fucking c*nt, rot in hell you bastard

[Something Worse]

I love how yous think you're giving me an education here.

Once you know the person in question has black lineage, it's 100% racist due to historical precedent, right? And if you don't know, or if indeed they don't actually have any recent black ancestry, it therefore isn't 100% racist, because race was not even a consideration in the comparison being made, yes? So the 100% racist part does not depend solely on the race of the subject, but on the offending party's knowledge of said subject's race (when it isn't obvious), and consequently the intent and the context. Voila.

I said racial sensitivity hysteria is tiresome, and you're only proving my point by telling me I'm a white supremacist who thinks it's okay to be a casual racist. I don't recall saying anywhere in my post that it's 'okay' to compare a black person to an ape.

McKenzie ran that newspaper when this article was published.



He knew exactly what he was saying then, and he knew it yesterday.

[John C]

He's indicative of a type of person who is becoming more previlant in society. Offensive, crass, bigoted and ashamed of nothing.

I disagree completely mate, put politics aside, there are few in society or even with an editorial influence as pernicious as that rat. There is nothing prevailing or modern day about him and the scum. They are inclusive and exclusive. Puppets and muppets ridiculously continue to buy the rag but I expect few will understand or agree with what it's about.

http://www.theguideliverpool.com/total-eclipse-sn-campaign-will-clear-liverpool-shelves/

[Haemoglobin]

McKenzie ran that newspaper when this article was published.



He knew exactly what he was saying then, and he knew it yesterday.

I'm not defending MacKenzie, Claus. I wouldn't put flagrant racism past him.

The point being contested was that any such comparison must always be 100% racist, when that is not completely true. His method in this case was sly, if indeed it was intended as a knowing racial slur, because it is housed within an article implying that people from Liverpool are thick to the point of being subhuman. The essence of my post was that it shouldn't require a 'racist' angle attached to it to land him in the shit, and that's actually quite an offensive matter in itself.

[Something Worse]

I'm not defending MacKenzie, Claus. I wouldn't put flagrant racism past him.

The point being contested was that any such comparison must always be 100% racist, when that is not completely true. His method in this case was sly, if indeed it was intended as a knowing racial slur, because it is housed within an article implying that people from Liverpool are thick to the point of being subhuman. The essence of my post was that it shouldn't require a 'racist' angle attached to it to land him in the shit, and that's actually quite an offensive matter in itself.

For sure, I just think in this case we can assume the worst.

[sms1986]

I love how yous think you're giving me an education here.

Once you know the person in question has black lineage, it's 100% racist due to historical precedent, right? And if you don't know, or if indeed they don't actually have any recent black ancestry, it therefore isn't 100% racist, because race was not even a consideration in the comparison being made, yes? So the 100% racist part does not depend solely on the race of the subject, but on the offending party's knowledge of said subject's race (when it isn't obvious), and consequently the intent and the context. Voila.

I said racial sensitivity hysteria is tiresome, and you're only proving my point by telling me I'm a white supremacist who thinks it's okay to be a casual racist. I don't recall saying anywhere in my post that it's 'okay' to compare a black person to an ape.

Just to clarify, I am not saying you're a racist/white supremacist, nor am I accusing you of being a racist/white supremacist. As for MacKenzie, I think he knew full well that Barkley is mixed-race.

[Fiasco]

You do wonder if this is his last stand. Reading bits and pieces online there seems to be a feeling that the witch doctor herself Rebekah Brooks wants to scrap his column. It's not the place to speculate and I wont derail this thread into a rumour mill, but Mackenzie isn't stupid and he would have known all too well the outrage his comments would have caused. Not because of those whinging Scousers again as he'd probably like to think, but because what he said is outright reprehensible regardless of his history with our club and our wonderful city. I get the sense that he might want to go out in a blaze of glory, one last shot across the bow.

Ignorance can indeed be no excuse. A quick look on Wikipedia would tell you about Barkley's family heritage. If he was too ignorant or too dumb to even bother to read about a person who he was so publicly trying to humiliate then it makes Mackenzie the person who doesn't have any lights on at home, not Ross Barkley. I said this earlier but I'll say it again: it probably irks him that a young lad from Liverpool is on a substantial wage through nothing but hard work and talent. Take the red or blue side out of this or any critique about Barkely's ability. He's made it, he's a professional footballer in the Premier League, he's on life-changing money, he's living the dream millions don't even get close to. Mackenzie is a 70 year old, largely irrelevant piece of shit who is seemingly going through a divorce and who has tonnes of stains against his name. Jealously probably comes into this, and of course a personal vendetta with the city of Liverpool.

The tide has turned in relation to the Hillsborough disaster and perceptions about the city of Liverpool are changing and have been for years now. Mackenzie is stuck in a bygone age whereby prejudice, ignorance and bigotry lead the way yet he cannot allow himself to be part of it. Some people are so far behind in the race that they actually believe they are leading. Kelvin is one such person.

Now we are into the small hours of the 15th of April my thoughts will be with those lost on that fateful day and I will clear my mind of Mackenzie and his repulsive comments. He'll hopefully be dealt with appropriately, yet let us think of our brothers and sisters we lost that day and think of their family and close ones.

[Haemoglobin]

Just to clarify, I am not saying you're a racist/white supremacist, nor am I accusing you of being a racist/white supremacist. As for MacKenzie, I think he knew full well that Barkley is mixed-race.

It's cool mate, I just know full well about the ingrained popular negative perceptions various ethnic minorities have historically had to battle against in our societies (i.e. UK, the Americas), and I don't think it's reason enough for us all to abandon that crucial enlightened sense of nuance and context, of tackling each individual case on its own merits rather than having these broad-strokes, hard & fast rules. Suarez ran into a shitstorm that totally battered his reputation as a man for a time (and in some quarters, forever), without actually having been found to personally hold racist views. He's a bit of a nutter, sure enough, but not racist. I would give even my most detested sworn enemy a fair trial.

[Haemoglobin]

You do wonder if this is his last stand. Reading bits and pieces online there seems to be a feeling that the witch doctor herself Rebekah Brooks wants to scrap his column. It's not the place to speculate and I wont derail this thread into a rumour mill, but Mackenzie isn't stupid and he would have known all too well the outrage his comments would have caused. Not because of those whinging Scousers again as he'd probably like to think, but because what he said is outright reprehensible regardless of his history with our club and our wonderful city. I get the sense that he might want to go out in a blaze of glory, one last shot across the bow.

Suicide by Kop?

[Motty]

Fuck me if there's one utter twat I'd love to bump into it's this bastard.

Same here, I'm only surprised no one has got to him yet in 28 years.

[Buggy Eyes Alfredo]

He knew exactly what he was saying then, and he knew it yesterday.

MacKenzie says he did not know his family background and added that it was "beyond parody" to describe his article as "racist".

[Redshadow]

It's intentional... they did it on purpose to hurt the feeling of people from Liverpool. The timing, everything, was planned ahead. They were only looking for an excuse, found it, and there it was... how can any football fans subscribe to this newspaper is beyond me.

[thisyearisouryear]

So the 100% racist part does not depend solely on the race of the subject, but on the offending party's knowledge of said subject's race (when it isn't obvious), and consequently the intent and the context. Voila.

Absolutely right.
Just that I can't believe in the entire chain of publication, which would include the writer, editor, proofreader, fact-checker etc. - no one knew of Barkley's lineage and see the obvious racist flavor.
And even if everyone genuinely missed that, the article is vile and distasteful on other levels too. Deliberate attempt to rile people up.

[mattD]

The brilliant Nooruddean Choudry sums him up perfectly;

"If the Hillsborough anniversary and timing of the article seem like a coincidence, then you simply don't know MacKenzie. He is a depraved shithouse who is always acutely aware of what he is doing and the offence and hurt he is causing. He takes great pride in causing maximum offence, and then claiming faux innocence like the amoral coward he is."

And

"Such words and images would be far more shocking if they were the work of anyone else but MacKenzie, in any other publication but the S*n. They fit perfectly into Kelvin's murky corridor of uncertainty. He plants the seed of poison with expert precision, and waits for his vile inferences to seep in and the intended offence to blossom. Then he follows it up with dismissive incredulity when faced with the criticism that his sentiments deserve and that he never admits to. Because he's a shitbag."

https://www.joe.co.uk/news/comment-kelvin-mackenzie-proves-once-again-that-he-is-a-shitbag-and-the-sun-are-pure-scum-121705

Nooruddean is such a great writer, and sums it up better than I ever could through blind rage.

[Buggy Eyes Alfredo]

Everton Shareholders Association:

"The Everton Football Club Shareholders’ Association noted with interest the recent decision of Liverpool Football Club to deny journalists of The S*n newspaper access to their premises, players, and management staff due to its notorious coverage of the Hillsborough Disaster."

"Everton Football Club and Evertonians in general, have for the last 28 years stood firm in support of our friends and family from across the park. The Association’s support remains steadfast and we completely support the decision that Liverpool Football Club have made; after all it is the right thing to do."

"We also call on Everton Football Club to continue to stand side by side with Liverpool Football Club, as they have done so since the tragedy, and apply the same sanctions by withdrawing all privileges to journalists from The S*n."

"With the anniversary of that terrible day occurring this weekend the Association will be laying a wreath on Saturday at the Hillsborough Monument Memorial in the city centre and we urge all Evertonians to continue to support our friends and family from across the park."

---

"Everton Fc show some class and some balls ban the s*n"

— Neville Southall (@NevilleSouthall)

[Haemoglobin]

Nooruddean is such a great writer, and sums it up better than I ever could through blind rage.

And it's also great that someone fairly prominent in current newsmedia without a Liverpool connection (that I know of?) would help spotlight it and fan our righteous flames for us. The article is unambiguously hurtful and hateful in its surface content, subtext and timing regardless of any racial element, and for it to come from that individual and be published in that rag of all rags, well that just takes the biscuit. Every self-respecting journalist worth their salt should be on top of this today, and it entirely warrants the downfall not just of MacKenzie, but of that paper.

It's coup de grâce time, and may only require a little bit more of a push for this to be an irrevocable step too far for them. The apologies are predictably hollow and self-serving, and the outrage justified. They shouldn't be able to worm their way out of this one so easily, even if they throw MacKenzie under the bus (please).

[The Bournemouth Red]

It's intentional... they did it on purpose to hurt the feeling of people from Liverpool. The timing, everything, was planned ahead. They were only looking for an excuse, found it, and there it was... how can any football fans subscribe to this newspaper is beyond me.

Not just football fans, but anyone with a mind of their own, that fucking rag makes me want to vomit.

[Iska]

Suicide by Kop?

Heh, excellent.

[M(oaning) B(ecomes) E(mbarrassing)]

mackenzie is scum of the earth and he along with his cohorts at the rag knew exactly what they were doing when publishing shit like that on the eve of the 28th anniversary.

I'm also pretty certain he would have known EXACTLY what he was doing.  And why.  Personally, I'd love to see him visit Liverpool although I don't think it will ever happen because he's a craven coward of the very worst sort. 

[Lush is the best medicine...]

And it's also great that someone fairly prominent in current newsmedia without a Liverpool connection (that I know of?) would help spotlight it and fan our righteous flames for us. The article is unambiguously hurtful and hateful in its surface content, subtext and timing regardless of any racial element, and for it to come from that individual and be published in that rag of all rags, well that just takes the biscuit. Every self-respecting journalist worth their salt should be on top of this today, and it entirely warrants the downfall not just of MacKenzie, but of that paper.

It's coup de grâce time, and may only require a little bit more of a push for this to be an irrevocable step too far for them. The apologies are predictably hollow and self-serving, and the outrage justified. They shouldn't be able to worm their way out of this one so easily, even if they throw MacKenzie under the bus (please).

pretty sure he's a United fan

[Banquo's Ghost]

It is 'beyond parody' to claim that a national newspaper second-rate arse-wipe paper that consistently skirts with and often jumps over the line of legality does not have an army of lawyers poring over every edition alongside a so-called editorial team. Their entire modus operandi means they would be sued out of existence if they didn't have some sort of risk assessment.

That means this article must have been checked and Barkley's heritage flagged to a decision maker. They flagrantly chose to run the vile piece, trusting that IPSO would be cowardly enough to accept the protestations of ignorance.

That shitstain of humanity KM and the filthy rag that enables him are guilty of racism, clear and simple. It's about time he went to jail.

[rob1966]

You think that rag has sunk as low as possible, but no, they find a way to get even worse. Piece of shit full of c*nts then and still a piece of shit full of c*nts.

[reniformis]

It's cool mate, I just know full well about the ingrained popular negative perceptions various ethnic minorities have historically had to battle against in our societies (i.e. UK, the Americas), and I don't think it's reason enough for us all to abandon that crucial enlightened sense of nuance and context, of tackling each individual case on its own merits rather than having these broad-strokes, hard & fast rules. Suarez ran into a shitstorm that totally battered his reputation as a man for a time (and in some quarters, forever), without actually having been found to personally hold racist views. He's a bit of a nutter, sure enough, but not racist. I would give even my most detested sworn enemy a fair trial.

Whilst I agree with you that it's possible to compare people to monkeys/apes for non-racist reasons (Bale and Peter Reid being good examples), if you're going to do it then you'd better be damned sure it can't be interpreted as racism. He's either a racist or a grossly incompetent 'journalist', either of which is a sackable offence. As we know, Mackenzie just applies his prejudices to any given news story with no research. He doesn't give the benefit of the doubt to anyone so whilst it's not 'fair' to automatically assume he's an outright racist it's beautifully ironic that he's now on the receiving end of other people's prejudice about him. Those who live by the sword etc...

[4pool]

Everton have banned the S*n.




Yesterday Everton Football Club informed The Sun newspaper it was banned from Goodison Park, the USM Finch Farm training ground and all areas of the Club's operation.

Whilst we will not dignify any journalist with a response to appalling and indefensible allegations, the newspaper has to know that any attack on this City, either against a much respected community or individual, is not acceptable

[Millie]

Not apparently, they have.

[Tesco tearaway]

Yup... It's on the Echo site.
Excellent news. Pity it took this to make them do it though.

[Hunts Cross]

Just to clarify, I am not saying you're a racist/white supremacist, nor am I accusing you of being a racist/white supremacist. As for MacKenzie, I think he knew full well that Barkley is mixed-race.

I would never visit the S*n website, but I wonder if that rag ever reported the earlier story that Barklay could choose to play for either England or Nigeria? If they had, it would make McKenzie's claim of not knowing even less believable.

[Medellin]

Well done to our rivals across the park & all those who demo'd to make it happen. 

[readybreck]

Well done blues

[ToneLa]

Finally, but better late than never! Good on ya Everton.

[Haemoglobin]

Whilst I agree with you that it's possible to compare people to monkeys/apes for non-racist reasons (Bale and Peter Reid being good examples), if you're going to do it then you'd better be damned sure it can't be interpreted as racism. He's either a racist or a grossly incompetent 'journalist', either of which is a sackable offence. As we know, Mackenzie just applies his prejudices to any given news story with no research. He doesn't give the benefit of the doubt to anyone so whilst it's not 'fair' to automatically assume he's an outright racist it's beautifully ironic that he's now on the receiving end of other people's prejudice about him. Those who live by the sword etc...

Oh, absolutely. And believe me, I want him more than sacked! 

I want him dragged through the courts, and for his audaciously obnoxious piece (of shit) to set off the chain reaction that brings that lingering fucking stench of a rag down for good.



Good on you Toffees, yous made the suits do the right thing for once.

[dh07kop]

Finally, but better late than never! Good on ya Everton.

You could say the same about our club only banning it a couple of months ago.