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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #120 on: September 16, 2016, 11:51:35 pm »
All the other teams play teams they should be beating, BUT they have played midweek. Is it too early for an upset  in one of the other games?

Wasn't too early for Feyenoord...
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #121 on: September 17, 2016, 12:47:12 am »
The positive is the three points is in the bag and you can enjoy the entire weekend without it possibly being ruined by footie ;)

Yeah, also feels like it should be the early hours of Sunday but we've still got the whole of Saturday to go. It's like the clocks have gone back or something. But still, the graph, the GRAPH.......
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #122 on: September 17, 2016, 01:20:23 am »
Arsenal going up to Hull could make the difference. The rest seemingly have piss easy home games.

Watford away is tricky. They will be buoyed by the West Ham turn around, and more rested than the Mancs. I would not be surprised if they lost points there.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #123 on: September 17, 2016, 02:04:40 pm »
If we can lose to Burnley, any of these can lose today. There are no gimmes.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #124 on: September 17, 2016, 08:17:43 pm »
What are Everton sitting at?

Edit: not too hard to check myself, they are on -2.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #125 on: September 17, 2016, 09:25:03 pm »
What are Everton sitting at?

Edit: not too hard to check myself, they are on 0.

Would they not be on -2? 2 points dropped against Spurs with the 4 wins being par 3 games?

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #126 on: September 17, 2016, 09:41:39 pm »
Would they not be on -2? 2 points dropped against Spurs with the 4 wins being par 3 games?
Let's get them back in, that's almost top four form.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #127 on: September 17, 2016, 11:27:57 pm »
Would they not be on -2? 2 points dropped against Spurs with the 4 wins being par 3 games?

You are correct, misread the Spurs game as an away game for them.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #128 on: September 18, 2016, 02:17:04 pm »
Watford away is tricky. They will be buoyed by the West Ham turn around, and more rested than the Mancs. I would not be surprised if they lost points there.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #129 on: September 18, 2016, 07:12:47 pm »
Watford away is a par 1 - but if that's the worst thing about the weekend...

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #131 on: September 18, 2016, 07:42:50 pm »
Beautiful Prof! Loving the grey too
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #132 on: September 18, 2016, 07:44:22 pm »
We’ll still finish in top four - and they won’t. You can quote me on this in May.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #133 on: September 18, 2016, 07:50:37 pm »
The grey is great. Much easier to read, plus it's funny!

Any chance to change the order of the teams in the key (either to alphabetical or league table order) please?

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #134 on: September 18, 2016, 07:54:42 pm »
Hopefully Leicester can get themselves to -4 next weekend.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #135 on: September 18, 2016, 08:15:39 pm »
What a glorious sight  8)

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #136 on: September 18, 2016, 08:42:45 pm »
How many points over par has a team been in the history of APLT? I cannot remember seeing anything more than +4.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #137 on: September 18, 2016, 08:45:59 pm »
The grey is great. Much easier to read, plus it's funny!

Any chance to change the order of the teams in the key (either to alphabetical or league table order) please?

Why? It makes sense to have them in APLT order.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #138 on: September 18, 2016, 08:46:28 pm »

Am gonna start taking an easel the game and start doing spud paintings to these graphs.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #139 on: September 18, 2016, 08:49:21 pm »
How many points over par has a team been in the history of APLT? I cannot remember seeing anything more than +4.

Last year City was at +6 after 6 games.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #140 on: September 18, 2016, 08:52:10 pm »
Why? It makes sense to have them in APLT order.
Sorry. I did mean APLT league order. They look random at the moment.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #141 on: September 18, 2016, 08:53:05 pm »
Sorry. I did mean APLT league order. They look random at the moment.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #142 on: September 18, 2016, 09:23:50 pm »
Gonna have to make room for the Blueshite soon, form they're in.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #143 on: September 18, 2016, 10:02:13 pm »
Beautiful  :D
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #144 on: September 18, 2016, 10:06:35 pm »
Anything positive after 4 away games (3 to realistic top 6 clubs) and our only home game against the defending champs has to be applauded. Now we must consolidate.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #145 on: September 18, 2016, 10:15:40 pm »
Am gonna start taking an easel the game and start doing spud paintings to these graphs.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #146 on: September 18, 2016, 10:24:33 pm »
Been thinking this sincebefore the start of the season - it's between us and Manchester City, and Manchester City are the favorites.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #147 on: September 19, 2016, 10:03:33 am »
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #148 on: September 19, 2016, 10:28:36 am »
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #149 on: September 19, 2016, 10:38:56 am »
The next five fixtures are all par 3 (except Swansea but that's an outlier in many ways as they have regressed from last season). Indeed, we have a long run of par 3 games now. If we are still on -1 by the time Everton arrive, we'll definitely be in the title conversation.

For a real measure of how we have improved, putting away Hull, West Brom, Palace in the next few games will be the biggest marker of all.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #150 on: September 19, 2016, 10:57:42 am »

For a real measure of how we have improved, putting away Hull, West Brom, Palace in the next few games will be the biggest marker of all.

That is bang on important.. Don't want to be mood spoiler  ;D

Coz on Head to Head with the teams of the first 5 games in comparison to last season, we are still "-1" (Burnley away is considered as Norwich Away  ;D).

So concentration and consistency against smaller teams is very imperative now..

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #151 on: September 19, 2016, 11:17:34 am »
Everton would currently be sixth in the APLT, they're hardly ripping up trees. They have another two par 3 games before they travel to Manchester City. If they win all three, they go to 0 points, and then maybe we should talk about them.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #152 on: September 19, 2016, 01:03:20 pm »
This is the best APLT start we have had since this was created

we have never been above par after week 3 and now we are +1 in week 5

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #153 on: September 19, 2016, 09:15:56 pm »
The next five fixtures are all par 3 (except Swansea but that's an outlier in many ways as they have regressed from last season). Indeed, we have a long run of par 3 games now. If we are still on -1 by the time Everton arrive, we'll definitely be in the title conversation.

For a real measure of how we have improved, putting away Hull, West Brom, Palace in the next few games will be the biggest marker of all.

Agreed. We've paradoxically had our easy games first. But I am sure there will be a better plan for the bus-parking, long-ball punting, kick and rush specialists.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #154 on: September 19, 2016, 11:42:45 pm »
Agreed. We've paradoxically had our easy games first. But I am sure there will be a better plan for the bus-parking, long-ball punting, kick and rush specialists.

We played Chelsea last Friday mate.

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« Reply #155 on: September 20, 2016, 12:04:32 am »
We played Chelsea last Friday mate.

I think he's referring to the fact that we tend to play better against the 'top' teams than we do the lesser likes. I'm definitely more worried about losing our next few than I was vs Chelsea and Tottenham!

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« Reply #156 on: September 20, 2016, 04:05:36 am »
Agreed. We've paradoxically had our easy games first. But I am sure there will be a better plan for the bus-parking, long-ball punting, kick and rush specialists.
We played Chelsea last Friday mate.
I think he's referring to the fact that we tend to play better against the 'top' teams than we do the lesser likes. I'm definitely more worried about losing our next few than I was vs Chelsea and Tottenham!

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #157 on: September 23, 2016, 03:04:21 pm »
Well it's Friday, who wants an APLT preview?



Back in the old days before 24 hour rolling sport news and the internet, the League Table would only be compiled about six weeks into the season. So in a sense, the shape of the league campaign only really begins to take shape this weekend, as our APLT contenders take to the pitch for their sixth league matches of the season.

First up an APLT double-header,
Man Utd v Leicester   

I know what you're thinking, will this even be considered an APLT match by the end of the season? Well, for now Jose Mourinho's team are just about still hanging in there, so there's a chance. The new manager bounce has been more of a bellyflop for the Red Devils, and they go into this lunchtime clash with the champions on just 9 points in the trad table, and -4 on the APLT. (They also lost their opening Europa League tie with Feyenoord, but did manage to progress in the EFL cup against League One's Northampton Town. Perhaps they've finally found their level.
That said, APLT Champions and Guinness Book rewriters Leicester City haven't had a great start either. They've won just two of five league matches this season, and it's all a long way since lifting the Premier League trophy in May. Burnley and Swansea the vanquished parties, while runners up Arsenal were held to a goalless draw. The best two sides in the country unable to score a goal between them. Sad days.

The two sides met in the Community Shield match, with Man Utd running 2-1 winners.
Both managers had spells at Chelsea and Inter Milan, but only Ranieri has won anything of note with his current team.

Leicester would like a win to keep their place in the APLT open a little longer. United would just like a win at this point.

MNU v LEI
Par 3 for Man Utd, Par 1 for Leicester

MNU win:
MNU -4 LEI -7

Draw:
MNU -6 LEI -6

LEI win:
MNU -7 LEI -4

So that's nice and symmetrical.

Liverpool v Hull   15:00   

Next up is Liverpool v Hull City. Much has been written of Liverpool's need to win these "easy" Par 3 matches in recent weeks. After making short work of much of the best the Premier League has to offer, the focus has turned to the Reds' record against the smaller sides, much to the delight of APLT fans, who are well aware of the vital importance of these fixtures in putting together a serious title challenge. On paper, Liverpool are flying, while Hull are comfortably mid-table. In reality, the gap in the Trad Table between the two is just three points. To many, Hull are the epitome of the "park the bus" mid-table sides that clutter the Premier League, providing banana skins to the top sides while never challenging for anything themselves. They are a festering boil on the arse of the league, and Jurgen Klopp has said that his side should be angry at them.
Poor old Hull City may wonder what they've done to upset anyone, apart from that awful "mauled by the Tigers" thing, that was unforgivable, and I'm sure they are aware of it. Nonetheless, the Tigers opened the campaign with a win over the League Champions and will be out to prove a point or three after being used in these unflattering comparisons all week whenever Liverpool are mentioned. They might park a bus, or they might try to take the initiative and get at Liverpool.
Just one game, but a huge test of the Reds' potential. Winning it would not hugely improve Liverpool's chances, losing it could be devastating. Not because of the APLT position - the lowest the reds can fall is a very respectable -2, but because of the implications for the rest of the campaign.

LFC v Hull

LFC win: LFC +1
Draw: LFC -1
Hull win: LFC -2

Next up:
Middlesbrough v Tottenham

Spurs have started the season in good form, as their position on the APLT 0 line suggests, and will want to assert their own title credentials with a win over newly promoted Middlesbrough. The loss of one-man goal machine Harry Kane could be a major blow to their ambitions, but after they put five past Gillingham in his absence, they could gain a psychological boost by inflicting a similar score on Boro, who have just one win to speak of this season, against their awful neighbours Sunderland. Their defeats have been respectable to date, though. Last week's 3-1 loss to Everton was the new boys' heaviest so far, and manager  Aitor Karanka will be hopeful that his side can do better in closing out a Spurs' team that put four past Stoke a couple of weeks ago.
Should be a fairly straightforward Par 3 for Spurs.

SPU v Boro
Boro win: SPU -3
Draw: SPU -2
Spurs win: SPU 0

Swansea City v Man City

It's a clash of the Cities, as Swansea entertains Manchester City for the second time in a week, after losing 2-1 in the EFL cup. It looks likely that result will be repeated, propelling Guadiola's side to an ear-popping +6 on the APLT table. It's far too early to say anyone is running away with the league, but the longer Man City can keep that 100% record alive, the harder it gets for anyone to catch them. Swansea have been in poor form lately, and are still looking for their second win since the opening day when they beat Burnley. It's not going to happen on Saturday, lads.

It's a winnable Par 1 for Man City.

Swansea win: MNC +3
Draw: MNC +4
Man City win: MNC +6

Which brings us to another all-star, all APLT clash:
Arsenal v Chelsea

Neck and neck in both the Trad table and the APLT, there seems to be little between Conte's Chelsea and Arsene's Arsenal so far. Since the opening day loss to Liverpool, Arsenal have been going about business as usual, with wins against Watford, Southampton and Hull. Chelsea, meanwhile, have still to fully adapt to new manager Conte's style of football, but have nonetheless seen off West Ham, Watford and Burnley.
It's likely to be a tense, close affair, and the draw looks like a fairly safe bet. Whatever happens, the sides won't be level in the APLT any more.
It's Par 3 for Arsenal, Par 1 for Chelsea.

Arsenal win: ARS -1 CHE -2
Draw: ARS -3 CHE -1
Chelsea win: ARS -4 CHE +1
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #158 on: September 23, 2016, 03:24:04 pm »
Well it's Friday, who wants an APLT preview?



Back in the old days before 24 hour rolling sport news and the internet, the League Table would only be compiled about six weeks into the season. So in a sense, the shape of the league campaign only really begins to take shape this weekend, as our APLT contenders take to the pitch for their sixth league matches of the season.

First up an APLT double-header,
Man Utd v Leicester

I know what you're thinking, will this even be considered an APLT match by the end of the season? Well, for now Jose Mourinho's team are just about still hanging in there, so there's a chance. The new manager bounce has been more of a bellyflop for the Red Devils, and they go into this lunchtime clash with the champions on just 9 points in the trad table, and -4 on the APLT. (They also lost their opening Europa League tie with Feyenoord, but did manage to progress in the EFL cup against League One's Northampton Town. Perhaps they've finally found their level.
That said, APLT Champions and Guinness Book rewriters Leicester City haven't had a great start either. They've won just two of five league matches this season, and it's all a long way since lifting the Premier League trophy in May. Burnley and Swansea the vanquished parties, while runners up Arsenal were held to a goalless draw. The best two sides in the country unable to score a goal between them. Sad days.

The two sides met in the Community Shield match, with Man Utd running 2-1 winners.
Both managers had spells at Chelsea and Inter Milan, but only Ranieri has won anything of note with his current team.

Leicester would like a win to keep their place in the APLT open a little longer. United would just like a win at this point.

MNU v LEI
Par 3 for Man Utd, Par 1 for Leicester

MNU win:
MNU -4 LEI -7

Draw:
MNU -6 LEI -6

LEI win:
MNU -7 LEI -4

So that's nice and symmetrical.

Liverpool v Hull15:00

Next up is Liverpool v Hull City. Much has been written of Liverpool's need to win these "easy" Par 3 matches in recent weeks. After making short work of much of the best the Premier League has to offer, the focus has turned to the Reds' record against the smaller sides, much to the delight of APLT fans, who are well aware of the vital importance of these fixtures in putting together a serious title challenge. On paper, Liverpool are flying, while Hull are comfortably mid-table. In reality, the gap in the Trad Table between the two is just three points. To many, Hull are the epitome of the "park the bus" mid-table sides that clutter the Premier League, providing banana skins to the top sides while never challenging for anything themselves. They are a festering boil on the arse of the league, and Jurgen Klopp has said that his side should be angry at them.
Poor old Hull City may wonder what they've done to upset anyone, apart from that awful "mauled by the Tigers" thing, that was unforgivable, and I'm sure they are aware of it. Nonetheless, the Tigers opened the campaign with a win over the League Champions and will be out to prove a point or three after being used in these unflattering comparisons all week whenever Liverpool are mentioned. They might park a bus, or they might try to take the initiative and get at Liverpool.
Just one game, but a huge test of the Reds' potential. Winning it would not hugely improve Liverpool's chances, losing it could be devastating. Not because of the APLT position - the lowest the reds can fall is a very respectable -2, but because of the implications for the rest of the campaign.

LFC v Hull

LFC win: LFC +1
Draw: LFC -1
Hull win: LFC -2

Next up:
Middlesbrough v Tottenham

Spurs have started the season in good form, as their position on the APLT 0 line suggests, and will want to assert their own title credentials with a win over newly promoted Middlesbrough. The loss of one-man goal machine Harry Kane could be a major blow to their ambitions, but after they put five past Gillingham in his absence, they could gain a psychological boost by inflicting a similar score on Boro, who have just one win to speak of this season, against their awful neighbours Sunderland. Their defeats have been respectable to date, though. Last week's 3-1 loss to Everton was the new boys' heaviest so far, and manager  Aitor Karanka will be hopeful that his side can do better in closing out a Spurs' team that put four past Stoke a couple of weeks ago.
Should be a fairly straightforward Par 3 for Spurs.

SPU v Boro
Boro win: SPU -3
Draw: SPU -2
Spurs win: SPU 0

Swansea City v Man City

It's a clash of the Cities, as Swansea entertains Manchester City for the second time in a week, after losing 2-1 in the EFL cup. It looks likely that result will be repeated, propelling Guadiola's side to an ear-popping +6 on the APLT table. It's far too early to say anyone is running away with the league, but the longer Man City can keep that 100% record alive, the harder it gets for anyone to catch them. Swansea have been in poor form lately, and are still looking for their second win since the opening day when they beat Burnley. It's not going to happen on Saturday, lads.

It's a winnable Par 1 for Man City.

Swansea win: MNC +3
Draw: MNC +4
Man City win: MNC +6

Which brings us to another all-star, all APLT clash:
Arsenal v Chelsea

Neck and neck in both the Trad table and the APLT, there seems to be little between Conte's Chelsea and Arsene's Arsenal so far. Since the opening day loss to Liverpool, Arsenal have been going about business as usual, with wins against Watford, Southampton and Hull. Chelsea, meanwhile, have still to fully adapt to new manager Conte's style of football, but have nonetheless seen off West Ham, Watford and Burnley.
It's likely to be a tense, close affair, and the draw looks like a fairly safe bet. Whatever happens, the sides won't be level in the APLT any more.
It's Par 3 for Arsenal, Par 1 for Chelsea.

Arsenal win: ARS -1 CHE -2
Draw: ARS -3 CHE -1
Chelsea win: ARS -4 CHE +1
Lovely stuff.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2016-17
« Reply #159 on: September 23, 2016, 03:35:09 pm »
Thanks nessy :)