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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #160 on: March 6, 2012, 12:46:50 am »
Fed up of gambling, read through this whole thread and I'm nowhere near as bad as most but I just want to be able to stop myself from going on them roulette machines, I just want to do footy bets of a weekend because I enjoy watching the footy results and that's it so i'm gonna try my best.. Is there anyone on here who can just limit themselves to footy bets and thats it?
i only do the footy bets pal  just small bets really makes for a bit of fun on the weekend
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #161 on: March 6, 2012, 07:13:30 am »
I follow this thread, not a gambler as i cant afford it as i use it on drink, but an addiction is an addiction. Hope all works out well for you and as said above, its immaterial how much it was, its still a bad loss but hopefully its one that has helped you calm down the gambling mate.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #162 on: March 28, 2012, 06:23:09 pm »
My daughter rang me last last night, she's 17 and in her last year at school.

She burst into tears, and told me how she had ran up debts on her Nan's online bingo account.
£1700 she used up from her Nan's bank account in 2 weeks.

Fortunataly her Nan found out in time, and can still pay the bills.
I must say, I wasn't impressed that her Nan (her Mum's Mum) let her gamble online.
Apparently she said her Nan has said she can pay her back a bit each week.

This has shocked me somewhat - I nearly ruined my life gambling a few years ago.

I have about £1200 for her 18th birthday in June - but I feel I should keep this for her 21st.
She knows about this money, but she might just have to wait.

I'll mull this over.

Well, there has been more shit through the mill.

My daughter's Mum (ex of 16 years) gave her £500 through Paypal to pay her Nan off.
Well, pay her Nan £400 and then give her £100.
She paid her Nan £100 and then £300 disappeared.
She says it was to pay off an old debt with Paypal of £300, that was accrued when she
had her gambling frenzy. Her Mum doesn't believe her - I have my doubts too.

She's staying with me tonight - she's like a zombie. Just not talking.
We went for a walk round Sefton Park and I was trying to get conversation going about
why she did it. Is something missing from her life? Is she bored?

She's just sitting there staring at the TV.

I've decided; I will give her her birthday money in June.
If she has to use that to pay off debts; then that's just a lesson she'll have to learn.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #163 on: March 28, 2012, 06:29:33 pm »
My best mate is addicted to gambling. He wont admit he has a problem as such, but when he's had a drink he'll agree that he needs to knock it on the head. He told me the other month that he does in £300 a day on online fruit machines, plus when we are out on a night out he's never off them in the boozer.
His missus has just had their first baby last week and I went down to see the newborn, on my way to the bus stop he walks down with me and whips into the bookies. He done in £80 on the fruit machine there and then - and then wins £500 with his last tenner!
Thats the problem, when he keeps winning big like that he things its ok, but I am geniunely concerned about him.

I like a good footy bet every Saturday, and the odd go on the horses, and even every month or so we'll have a visit to Leos Casino, but its knowing when it stop and knock it on the head. I really feel for people who have a problem, its a bad thing to get into.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #164 on: March 28, 2012, 11:52:40 pm »
i only do the footy bets pal just small bets really makes for a bit of fun on the weekend

Yeah same for me. I'll throw £1 or £2 on an accumulator which has long odds (not in the slightest expecting to win but there's always a chance) every other weekend and then a double/triple for the champions league games and that's about it. Its just to make Saturday's more exciting when Jeff reads the score and the fact Liverpool rarely play on a Saturday. It's basically what you're happy to lose/afford but it would be a horrendous addiction like many others to get addicted to as the consequences are sometimes fatal, especially when you're trying to recuperate what you've already lost.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #165 on: March 29, 2012, 01:58:11 am »
I used to work in the bookies a few years ago and a couple of times a week this same fella would come in and go on the roulette machines and wold sometimes be betting upto £1600 a night! Felt so sorry for him he'd come over to the counter and say just put another £500 on that machine for us please, he'd always reassure us that he's got the money in his bank when he gave us his bankcard. He'd be dripping with sweat when playing and even if he'd won say £900 back of the £1600 he'd still be sort of happy despite losing £700. He told us how it'd cost him his marriage and he went to GA meeting but they didn't seem to help him. Poor fella.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #166 on: March 29, 2012, 12:17:56 pm »
Well, there has been more shit through the mill.

I've decided; I will give her her birthday money in June.
If she has to use that to pay off debts; then that's just a lesson she'll have to learn.

Have you considered writing a cheque to her Nan so that only she can cash it and putting it in your daughter's card as a kind of here's what you could have had sort of thing? Might sound harsh but maybe the shock will make her realise how much money she is pissing away.

EDIT: Just read your post on the previous page about why you don't want to pay her Nan, you have a good point.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #167 on: March 29, 2012, 01:05:28 pm »
Without wanting to seem harsh, isn't that a bit stupid? Especially given

If you suspect that she still has a problem, still has debts and isn't living up to the reality of the situation and paying them off, why enable her to get into more trouble by just giving her cash and trusting that she'll use it wisely? That's only going to do damage.

I'm all for letting people make their own mistakes and learn their own lessons, but your daughter clearly needs your help. Washing your hands and giving her a few hundred quid strikes me as incredibly irresponsible in the circumstances.

Not sure the "wasing your hands" is a totally accurate depiction.

This isn't a straight forward predicament.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #168 on: June 10, 2012, 01:20:11 am »
First up, just a quick note to say that I hope everyone in here who's battling with gambling problems is going well. I personally took the decision to stop as I realised it was getting unhealthy for me, thankfully I didn't lose a huge amount to make me realise that. Anyway, I just wanted to share the fact that it is possible to get some slight revenge back on the bookies - however small - and while I'm not advocating that anyone else try this, I thought people might find the irony of the situation somewhat amusing.

I have avoided sports betting for the majority of the last 2 years, except for a couple of occasions - namely, when the bookies throw in a free offer. When I stopped gambling online, I didn't close my accounts, so from time to time I get an email saying "if you deposit up to $X, we'll match Y% of your deposit as a free bet". I got one of those a few days back, and replied to the email asking for clarification that I was allowed to deposit my own money, claim the free bet, withdraw my own money (without gambling it) and still use the free bet. The guy replied saying "You're free to do what you want with your own money, but withdrawing the funds after depositing would be missing the point of this generous offer". (NB this has happened once before and thankfully allowed me to use the free bet without having to spend my own money... but it takes a lot of discipline to be able to do this and then not get sucked back into gambling again)

As soon as I read it, my heart bled for this poor charitable organisation who are relying on the goodwill of everyday punters to make ends meet... :P

The only downside is that even with a completely free bet, even if I win I still have to re-invest those winnings at least once, and even if I manage that successfully, I will probably still be down in my overall gambling career, so I'm not getting overly cocky. But I am very amused by the irony that despite the gambling sites all having the "Gamble responsibly" slogan on their website, when someone actually shows the ability to gamble responsibly, the industry replies with a guilt-tripping email berating them for not "getting into the spirit of it" by betting. For me, that shows what a completely token statement it is.

Anyway, as I said at the start of the post, I hope everyone who has struggles with gambling is going well - after this I'll be back onto the odd work sweepstake or poker night, and thankfully won't be drawn back into the clutches of the gambling industry, don't you worry about that!!

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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #169 on: June 10, 2012, 01:24:14 am »
i have enough addictions, i do gamble, but cant cut it out whenever i want. hope everyone is ok and battling it well.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #170 on: June 10, 2012, 01:42:14 am »
i have enough addictions, i do gamble, but cant cut it out whenever i want. hope everyone is ok and battling it well.

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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #171 on: June 10, 2012, 01:43:32 am »
typo yeah, this one has absolutely no hold on me, take it or leave it. doesnt interest me that much.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #172 on: August 1, 2012, 01:52:12 pm »
Trying to knock this on the head recently, I'm only 18 an the amount of money I waste on pointless betting on sports that I know nothing about is a joke, an the roulette machines are 10x worse. I tried to tell myself that i'm not that bad but I calculated how much i'd spent over the past year and its a ridiculous amount and I don't even have anything to show for it. I told myself that's it an completely refused to bet at all over the last month and I didn't even feel like betting, my mates all like to gamble an that's annoying when your trying to stop because they talk about it or want to go the bookies or the casino. I had a little slip the other day which was purely because I thought i'd cracked it but I definitely haven't and It just put me back in that 'don't gamble at all mood' so i'm just gonna keep at trying to stop.

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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #173 on: August 1, 2012, 03:09:54 pm »
dont get me started on roulette, went on one the other day £20 in covered nearly every number, except for 4,5,6. guess what, it landed on 6.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #174 on: August 1, 2012, 03:19:03 pm »
I really don't understand playing any casino games online. Surely it is rigged so that it only pays out a certain percentage of what goes in (like fruit machines)? 

At least in a proper casino it's there in front of you, and cannot be manipulated.

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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #175 on: August 1, 2012, 05:00:25 pm »
dont get me started on roulette, went on one the other day £20 in covered nearly every number, except for 4,5,6. guess what, it landed on 6.

I believe them thing's are definitely fixed, the amount of time it lands on the number that isn't covered is a joke!

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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #176 on: August 5, 2012, 02:09:38 pm »
Been 1 year this month that i stopped gambling online,best decision i ever made.

since then i probably spend about £15 a month on the footie coupons as opposed to £800 - £1200 a month online

Feel now that iv pretty much beat it now,went down the casino a few months back for a mates birthday and never gambled a penny,only spent money at the bar,one lad who went won £270 on the slots as soon as we got in there,he lost it all again over the course of the night,just go's to show there is only one winner

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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #177 on: August 5, 2012, 02:51:59 pm »

Haha, did similar. They tend to do these offers during big sporting events.

I saw one during the 2010 world cup, well, I say one, it was 6. Six different sites offering me free bets of up to £20.

So I signed up to all of them. And signed my mother up to all of them. Bet three ways on two football matches, one from each site, and the same from my mum.

So I couldn't lose. Won 120 quid on one game (ironically, thanks to a Suarez goal, long before we signed him) and 60 on the other.

Have never touched the sites since!

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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #178 on: August 6, 2012, 11:56:53 am »
I really don't understand playing any casino games online. Surely it is rigged so that it only pays out a certain percentage of what goes in (like fruit machines)? 

At least in a proper casino it's there in front of you, and cannot be manipulated.

They're not fixed but when you're getting odds of 35/1 for a 36/1 shot, and there's 4 machines per bookies, with what, approaching 10,000 high street bookies and each machine can be spun every 20 seconds, then the bookies are always going to win.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #179 on: August 6, 2012, 01:42:59 pm »
There is a program on channel 4 tonight at 8pm I think about the Roullette Machines and how much money there raking in, Just to let anyone who's interested know.

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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #180 on: August 6, 2012, 05:41:48 pm »
They're not fixed but when you're getting odds of 35/1 for a 36/1 shot, and there's 4 machines per bookies, with what, approaching 10,000 high street bookies and each machine can be spun every 20 seconds, then the bookies are always going to win.

in theory thats fine but because its run by a computer how can you be sure these machines are running the real percentages?

lets take their slot games....the payback amount can be set so how then does that make the slot "random"??
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #181 on: August 6, 2012, 08:34:05 pm »
in theory thats fine but because its run by a computer how can you be sure these machines are running the real percentages?

lets take their slot games....the payback amount can be set so how then does that make the slot "random"??

All slot machines are regulated and are inspected every so often to ensure the machine is paying out the right amount. But the percentage marked on the machine is stated over the lifetime of the machine. The actual percentage fluctuates above and below.

If the percentage is too low then it jackpots someone to get it back up. If its too high then you could put £300 in and it'll never pay out. Some deliberately lose to shift the percentage down and force the machine to jackpot.

Slots are all about timing. You can spot lurkers in pubs who'll sit by them with a glass of tap water watching the machines for a big loser. Then once the loser walks away he'll jump on a empty it.
 
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #182 on: August 6, 2012, 09:43:22 pm »
in theory thats fine but because its run by a computer how can you be sure these machines are running the real percentages?

lets take their slot games....the payback amount can be set so how then does that make the slot "random"??

Why would they fix something that's in their favour though?  The maths says that over an infinite amount of time they win about £2.70 of every £100 staked on roulette. Now on any day there'll be millions and millions staked on the machines, which means a lot of profit for the bookies or casino

The slots I'm not sure about, maybe there isn't the same element of randomness with them, when they're ready to pay they will do, but the % payout clearly indicates the house will win in the long run

I don't think they're fixed in the sense of that number would have come out if you didn't have money on it, or this one wouldn't have come out if you'd had more on it, simply the odds favour the house.

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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #183 on: August 7, 2012, 09:34:44 pm »
I never really had an addiction to gambling but did once end up putting close to £100 on roullette once and lost but thankfully I stopped and don't play those games anymore.

I have never really put a big bet on and the only one I did Spain ended up winning so it wasn't too bad. I used to bet a little bit quite regularly but now I bet like once a month and can easily go a long period without doing it. The odd fiver here and then doesn't really bother me but I can understand how it can get addictive if you put excessive money on each day.

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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #184 on: December 16, 2014, 03:03:02 pm »
Hope nobody minds me reviving this thread but I've had a funny couple of weeks and think its time I did something about it.

I've always enjoyed a gamble, and usually it was just a few quid on a Saturday afternoon acca or two, to keep the interest and you never know, win a decent wedge. This soon become accas for Sunday too. Then of course you dont want to miss out on those mid week games, cup knock-outs, champ league games, europa games....just when you think you get a night off-wham, French league 2, and Jupiler league on a Friday.

Over the last two years this has escalated into a virtually full time job-usually for bugger all returns too! Before I knew it, i was off to the casino, or Willy Hill to play on the roulette machines. I was even betting at work on my mobile-amazingly easy whilst you are bored out of your brains on an hour long conference call. I kept telling myself that it was ok, I could afford it, i wasnt living beyond my means-but i was. I've probably borrowed nearly £4k this year and virtually all of it has been frittered away on gambling. You can also add onto this my disposable income each month too. The weird thing is, there was no rhyme or reason to my betting- i wasnt just betting on sure favourites, or long shots, or even keeping a consistent amount. The amount of £1-£2 runnish accas I must have put on in the last 2 years must be astounding.

Well, at the beginning of December i knew i wanted enough left by the 24th to be able to enjoy myself, buy some nice food and drink, go round the xmas markets, etc. so I was tough with myself. Didnt go out, only stuck 2 accas on at the weekend, didnt do any mid week drinking/gambling etc and by the 5th (5th!!!) was feeling quite virtuous...i then decided to go to the casino with a mate.

Short story-£100 lost, but then clawed it all back, plus a little profit. Next day-off to bookies roulette. Same story. Sunday-casino and bookies...just about clawed it all back...plus some profit. Felt invincible, like i'd discovered a new winning formula-just keep pumping more and more money in until you win!

Of course eventually you hit the wall, the "unlucky" run which you couldnt possibly forsee, and for me it was on Friday night. Wasnt even planning on going out but arranged to see some mates in the pub not 20 feet away from the casino....

I still dont know what happened, but I was on a fruit machine, I lost (about £35) and something inside me snapped. I walked straight out, into the casino and between a mix of the machines, roulette and blackjack, lost another £130.

Not to be outdone, i went to the toilets and thought about how to get some cash, as i was officially skint until Monday. So I got a "Sunny" loan-the stupidest thing I've done for quite some time. Drinking and gambling rarely mix, and so in my addled state I thought it was fine, I can afford another £150 per month repaying this for six months.

Needless to say, lost the bloody lot. In the end i was just hitting the buttons out of habit, i didnt even care about the win, and actually ended up walking home (about 5 miles) as i couldnt face telling my mates who had turned up there at 2am  that i had even spent my taxi fare home.

I knew at that point, walking home, that i'd been an idiot and i swore not to do it again...but then on Monday I ended up visiting the bookies 4 times (3 different ones) to play the roulette. Again at various points i thought "i can walk away from this, Ive still got 20/30/50 on me, thats something" but time and time again i kept hitting "bet" Lost yet another £80.

Well, last night after all of this, and after a good session at the gym, I felt a strange sense of knowing something was wrong. I was/am spiralling out of control, and I need to stop it now. I dont know if i will manage it-guess i just need to take each day as it comes, and try and stay out of temptations way. I'd love to go back to being able to just live with a couple of £1 accas on a Saturday afternoon, but Im not sure it wont lead to a slipery slope again.




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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #185 on: December 16, 2014, 04:28:42 pm »
find another habit james or you will lose everything.

instead of the bookies maybe go flat out at the gym to the point you're too tired to go gambling

think of all the negative reasons not to bet

ive done it myself, not as strongly as you but i have thrown away stupid money so so easily

im getting married next year and ill need a loan for that. i know i wont get it if theres tons of gambling shit on my bank. ive loads of online accounts but ive hardly used them if it all since the world cup.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #186 on: October 31, 2017, 10:25:52 am »
There was a man who had lost his son on the BBC this morning, he had spiralled into debt and gambling addiction. I had no idea you could spend up to £100 a spin on these things, I'm sure online it's even more. What's the answer? Ban them outright and have people find more unregulated methods online? Or make the bookies pay a percentage of takings to gambling recovery institutions.

Seems like every small town has a frosted windowed "casino" and the characters who wonder outside of it look absolutely miserable. Some people can't help themselves but how can these machines even be argued for?

I think a maximum bet of £2 would be a start.

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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #187 on: October 31, 2017, 11:01:55 am »
I think reducing the stake down to £2 a spin will close every high street bookmaker. Shops only make money off the FOBTs and to a lesser extent football bets. They make fuck all of horse racing and dogs because they just refuse to take decent stakes on horse and dog racing singles. So their potential wins and loses are tiny compared to what a couple of FOBTs gross. That said I am not against them reducing the stake down even if it meant the high street bookies closed as personally I very rarely use them. Also worth noting a gambling addict will find a way to bet, be it by feeding notes into a FOBT or spinning an imaginary wheel on their PC/Phone.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #188 on: October 31, 2017, 12:01:05 pm »
I started to get a gambling problem in my 20s. never got to the stage of ruining my life, just gambled till my pocket money run out. started reading a few books on the psychology of gambling+ books on how to be a better gambler. don't think for one second this is about making you a winner, you have to learn a lot more to win but it would at least stop you being a mug punter who throws away his money every week.
It's a very complicated problem, people gamble for different reasons and there are different types of gamblers. some will always loose for this reason.
Anyone who gambles should ask themselves this question.
Would you rather have £1 on a 10/1 winner or £10 on a even money winner.
answer?
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You win £10 on either bet so if your answer is £10 on a even money winner then your in trouble, you get your kicks out of gambling from how much money you have risked, it dosen't matter how much you win, you will just plough it back with bigger stakes for the thrill.
If you answered £1 on a 10/1 winner then your enjoyment comes from winning, your far more likely to enjoy the money you've won without throwing it all back.
This doesn't mean you always back outsiders, it means you don't need to put a large chunk of your earnings at risk to get a thrill out of gambling.
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I have one rule, never back on anything you can't have a opinion on. they are always fixed odds. those odds are set up to make you loose. which means casino games are out and so are FOBT.
The FOBT problem is a different gambling problem entirely.
There has been plenty of evidence on why people become addicted for years. the flashing lights etc on these machines release a reward drug in the brain that are very addictive.
They should be banned or at the very least made very simple with far lower stakes. no flashing lights and noises.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #189 on: October 31, 2017, 12:29:37 pm »
Anyone who gambles should ask themselves this question.
Would you rather have £1 on a 10/1 winner or £10 on a even money winner.
answer?
Spoiler
You win £10 on either bet so if your answer is £10 on a even money winner then your in trouble, you get your kicks out of gambling from how much money you have risked, it dosen't matter how much you win, you will just plough it back with bigger stakes for the thrill.
If you answered £1 on a 10/1 winner then your enjoyment comes from winning, your far more likely to enjoy the money you've won without throwing it all back.
This doesn't mean you always back outsiders, it means you don't need to put a large chunk of your earnings at risk to get a thrill out of gambling.
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What if the answer is I'm not arsed as I'm still getting £10 profit?
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #190 on: October 31, 2017, 12:56:17 pm »
What if the answer is I'm not arsed as I'm still getting £10 profit?
Thats an answer people often give, am not arsed putting a pound bet on. they have a problem, as you say you still win a tenner on either bet. question you have to ask yourself is did you get the thrill from winning a tenner or the thrill of putting £10 of your money at risk.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #191 on: October 31, 2017, 01:13:12 pm »
A lad I used to work with a few years back, blew his entire months salary on these machines in one day. £3400. Had to get a loan to get through the month. Grim.

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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #192 on: October 31, 2017, 01:42:37 pm »
A lad I used to work with a few years back, blew his entire months salary on these machines in one day. £3400. Had to get a loan to get through the month. Grim.

I think if you're at the point of gambling away you're entire salary FOBTs are not the issue as you can equally press a few buttons on your smartphone and be presented with a platform to spend what he did.

Don’t take this as me advocating FOBTs on the high street because I am not. I would have bookies back to a place where people placed bets on horses, dogs and football and these high stake machines in Casinos where they belong. But if there were no FOBTs there would be no high street bookmaker. Depending on where you live you have effectively got 10+ casinos on your high street. This is dangerous and unacceptable. I just fear that removing these terminals from the high street or restricting them to a £2 max stake would push the problem online where stakes are limitless.  This in my opinion may end up being more dangerous as people can hide away in their own home away from judging eyes and lose unlimited amounts of money to their addiction. All that said if you’re a gambling addict you will find a way to bet irrespective of what restrictions the government put in place on the high street.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #193 on: October 31, 2017, 02:01:46 pm »
I think if you're at the point of gambling away you're entire salary FOBTs are not the issue as you can equally press a few buttons on your smartphone and be presented with a platform to spend what he did.

Don’t take this as me advocating FOBTs on the high street because I am not. I would have bookies back to a place where people placed bets on horses, dogs and football and these high stake machines in Casinos where they belong. But if there were no FOBTs there would be no high street bookmaker. Depending on where you live you have effectively got 10+ casinos on your high street. This is dangerous and unacceptable. I just fear that removing these terminals from the high street or restricting them to a £2 max stake would push the problem online where stakes are limitless.  This in my opinion may end up being more dangerous as people can hide away in their own home away from judging eyes and lose unlimited amounts of money to their addiction. All that said if you’re a gambling addict you will find a way to bet irrespective of what restrictions the government put in place on the high street.
It may well push people to gamble online instead but the online restrictions are far more stricter. you chose to opt out and you can't gamble on that site again for the period you've restricted yourself.
As you say a lot of compulsive FOBT gamblers say they've restricted themselves but they are still being allowed to play. I don't think it's fair to blame the staff either, a woman can't go over and tell a big man to stop playing, she will be open to all sorts of abuse.
I agree with your main point though, if we ban these FOBT in the betting shops then they have be banned online as well.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #194 on: October 31, 2017, 02:18:21 pm »
A lad I used to work with a few years back, blew his entire months salary on these machines in one day. £3400. Had to get a loan to get through the month. Grim.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #195 on: October 31, 2017, 02:24:17 pm »
It may well push people to gamble online instead but the online restrictions are far more stricter. you chose to opt out and you can't gamble on that site again for the period you've restricted yourself.
As you say a lot of compulsive FOBT gamblers say they've restricted themselves but they are still being allowed to play. I don't think it's fair to blame the staff either, a woman can't go over and tell a big man to stop playing, she will be open to all sorts of abuse.
I agree with your main point though, if we ban these FOBT in the betting shops then they have be banned online as well.

I know what you’re saying about the deposit restrictions online and self-exclusion but equally there is over a thousand bookmakers and gaming sites online.

I agree, the bookmakers do need to do more to spot people who have a problem and guarantee people who have been self-excluded from a shop are not allowed to play in that shop or any other shop that gaming company may have in another town. I think making everyone have a card to play would help. For example for me to walk into a bookmakers to play a FOBT and I must sign up with my name, address, dob etc and effectively load the card with cash at the counter to play. That way if I ban myself from Ladbrokes in Manchester I can’t walk into Ladbrokes in Liverpool and play. Not saying it will discourage addicts from finding a way to play but would help ensure self-excluded players cannot play. But try getting the bookies to agree to any restriction which may hit their astronomical profits!
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #196 on: October 31, 2017, 02:31:53 pm »
I used to bet far too much out of boredom, belief I could win £££. Sometimes I'd have successes (£1500), sometimes I would lose a lot (£700) It's very easy to lose control though, you lose a bet and think ah, only £100 on this it'll win. It quickly became a problem with me finding I had no money left to do anything. I once had £1100 in my bank account and blew £900 on betting in less than a week, I was obsessed with betting, betting on random leagues I'd got some stats for. Key is control and betting only what you can afford.

Since this football season I have kept a record of bank deposits and withdrawals for my betting. I'm + £700 up since august. £300 in and £1k withdrawal. I haven't bet in weeks and probably won't for a while (had a total of 3 bets since August). I have become much better at just leaving betting for a while and having a little flutter (only when I can afford it).
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #197 on: October 31, 2017, 02:57:08 pm »
I know what you’re saying about the deposit restrictions online and self-exclusion but equally there is over a thousand bookmakers and gaming sites online.

I agree, the bookmakers do need to do more to spot people who have a problem and guarantee people who have been self-excluded from a shop are not allowed to play in that shop or any other shop that gaming company may have in another town. I think making everyone have a card to play would help. For example for me to walk into a bookmakers to play a FOBT and I must sign up with my name, address, dob etc and effectively load the card with cash at the counter to play. That way if I ban myself from Ladbrokes in Manchester I can’t walk into Ladbrokes in Liverpool and play. Not saying it will discourage addicts from finding a way to play but would help ensure self-excluded players cannot play. But try getting the bookies to agree to any restriction which may hit their astronomical profits!
Yeah the idea of needing a card to play sounds a good idea, you would have to register online and top it up online, you restrict yourself and you wouldn't be able to top up on any site by law.
I think we still have to reduce the risk of people becoming addicted though and the proofs been known for well over 10ys+.
I read a article when this problem started to come to light and I think it was probably over 15 yrs ago.
A man in North America who had never gambled all his life went into hospital for Parkinsons, he was given a drug that contained the same drug the brain releases into the system as a reward. it makes us feel elation etc.
He started traveliing over the border into Canada or it could have been the other way round USA and blew thousands playing the slots. he had never been interested in playing before and the connection was made over why this is so addictive. we have to get rid of all the flashing lights and the noise this releases a drug in the brain to make us feel elated.
This was known over 10yrs ago but nobody does anything about it, as you say the bookies are making a fortune and a lot of the people who pass our laws don't fully understand the problem.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #198 on: October 31, 2017, 03:24:22 pm »
we have to get rid of all the flashing lights and the noise this releases a drug in the brain to make us feel elated.


I remember reading years ago that many of the winning jingles are played in the key of A which is meant to be the most positive chord, make you more likely to keep playing.

Agree with the card idea, that sounds like a winner.
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Re: The addiction of gambling
« Reply #199 on: October 31, 2017, 03:35:22 pm »
I remember reading years ago that many of the winning jingles are played in the key of A which is meant to be the most positive chord, make you more likely to keep playing.

Agree with the card idea, that sounds like a winner.
Interesting about most jingles being A. I can believe it as well. isn't A minor considered the most beautiful chord of all by many.
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