Topic: FT Liverpool 2 v Swansea 3 [Llorente 48', 52' Firmino 55' 69', Sigurd 74']

[howes hound]

90+6' - FT. Swansea make history as they win at Anfield for the first time.

Hmmmm ......... Heard this umpteen times on the telly yesterday too.
Wrong.
1964 FA Cup, 6th round, Swansea beat us at Anfield 2-1. They were a worse team (3rd div), and arguably Liverpool were a better side than today's. We won the league that year, the FA Cup for the first time the following year. Moran missed a pen in the second half - his kick nearly took my head off and I was half way up the Kop. If you think yesterday was awful, you should have been there back then. People were weeping on the bus back to town.
40 pages of posts tells you how much people love to moan. As the old man used to say, I could give you something to really moan about.

[Phil M]

Vintage Liverpool. This capitulation was coming. I said the performances have been papering over the cracks. We haven't won a game in 2017.

Time to throw the padlock on this when you have this type of shite being posted.

[liversaint]

Time to throw the padlock on this when you have this type of shite being posted.

This fella regularly spouts this kind of shite, up there with some of the worst

[free_at_last]

Hmmmm ......... Heard this umpteen times on the telly yesterday too.
Wrong.
1964 FA Cup, 6th round, Swansea beat us at Anfield 2-1. They were a worse team (3rd div), and arguably Liverpool were a better side than today's. We won the league that year, the FA Cup for the first time the following year. Moran missed a pen in the second half - his kick nearly took my head off and I was half way up the Kop. If you think yesterday was awful, you should have been there back then. People were weeping on the bus back to town.
40 pages of posts tells you how much people love to moan. As the old man used to say, I could give you something to really moan about.

I remember that well. I was just a young whippersnapper playing football on the local field. Somebody comes past and says we lost to Swansea and Moran missed a penalty. We weren't expecting that - like a dagger to the heart - the F.A Cup REALLY meant something in those days

[Gerry83]

Watched it back. Swansea done well in fairness to them - when the cross came in for the second there were 4 in the box. As usual theres a lot we could have done better for all 3 goals. Has to be an attitude problem or some sort of mentality issue... i can just envisage the players before the game moping around not arsed.

Not to go all Brendan Rodgers on it but i dont think we have any character in the squad.. when i say that i'm referring to a player in the dressing room who would hand out a bollocking to the others after that. The 4 English players in yesterdays starting 11 seem the typical , softly spoken, steady eddie nice guys. I dont know if it happens with our rivals although some do have big personalities in their dressing room (Zlatan, David Luiz etc). I think its what would help our particular situation. Someone to grab a hold of the rest at half time and raise their game one way or another. I certainly don't think Jordan Henderson is the man for that job.

With only 6 points between 6th and 2nd its a battle for 3 spots out of 5. We have a slight advantage for now with a few extra points in the bank and given our fixtures but the reality is we drop points against the Swanseas of the world and pick up points against the teams around us... which is a worry for the rest of the season given we still have to play a lot of them.

I'd personally like to see a replacement for Lovren/ Klavan and Mignolet as the former is ok but its clear we need a defender who can use his height .. like Matip and a keeper who can be the difference maker between 1 point and 3 etc.

Annoying as it is Sakho may have come in useful this season but we continue to be our own worst enemy on and off the field at times.. which i guess would sum up Sakhos antics up as well to be fair!

[fingermouse]

Top 4 and a cup still a realistic goal. Up the Reds.

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[slaphead]

Hmmmm ......... Heard this umpteen times on the telly yesterday too.
Wrong.
1964 FA Cup, 6th round, Swansea beat us at Anfield 2-1. They were a worse team (3rd div), and arguably Liverpool were a better side than today's. We won the league that year, the FA Cup for the first time the following year. Moran missed a pen in the second half - his kick nearly took my head off and I was half way up the Kop. If you think yesterday was awful, you should have been there back then. People were weeping on the bus back to town.
40 pages of posts tells you how much people love to moan. As the old man used to say, I could give you something to really moan about.

First time they won here in the league is what I think they said a lot of telly pal.
Really unhappy with the result and performance yesterday, but there's no point harping on about it now I suppose. I just hope and pray we can keep Matip fit now for the rest of the season.

[So… Howard Philips]

First time they won here in the league is what I think they said a lot of telly pal.
Really unhappy with the result and performance yesterday, but there's no point harping on about it now I suppose. I just hope and pray we can keep Matip fit now for the rest of the season.

I think howes hound was trying to get across that the defeat in 1964 to Swansea, whilst in the FA cup, was a bigger shock than yesterday.

You get a lot of Sky/BT media hype about results now and a lot is driven by increasing viewers. Back in the 60s it was just the hard core fans who suffered.

[Wool]

Is "bedwetters" still the 16/17 RAWK word of the season?

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Given the weekend to think about this, and the issue that is most disturbing involves a pattern of games where everyone in the building is primed for and see victory in hand, but Liverpool find a way to sabotage it.

Evidence this season - 3 Games

1.  West Ham - 1-1 draw at Anfield (after going down a goal, we get it back and build the crescendo and fail to close the deal).
2.  Bournemouth - 4-3 loss at the Vitality (leading 3-1 with 20 minutes left, we fold like deck chairs on the titanic).
3.  Swansea - 3-2 loss at home (15 minutes to get a goal a salvage the three points, and the table is turned).

This has to do mentality (goal keeping, defensive frailties, getting beat in transition, and not finding the final pass)....  These problems in the game Liverpool face each year --- nothing new.   What is new ---- is that the 8 points lost from these three games would put us in a position to take over the top of the table with a win against Chelsea.....

SO FUCKING PISSED STILL....

[Another Red]

A few things went wrong in this game. Klopp gambled by starting Coutinho and while it was good for him to get minutes, he didn't really have an impact on this game. In fact, we improved after he was subbed off and we got ourselves back in the game. At the time I wondered whether Klopp would proceed with the Origi-Can sub or suspend it. I think we got a bit greedy with that sub after equalising as there was still 25 minutes to go. A bit too top heavy with so much time to go. We subbed off Coutinho, Can & Wijnaldum (three midfielders) leaving us with just Henderson in midfield at the end.

[slimbo]

We've been lethargic and flat the last few matches. Right from the start a few players were spraying passes to the opposition which is usually a sign of poor mentality or fatigue, both of which can be linked. It's a worry at this stage of the season. Being Klopps first full season I'm curious as whether the high energy from early season is taking it's toll and this is part of Klopp's learning as much as the teams.

Still plenty to play for. Hoping we can push on.

[jckliew]

This team is baiscally the team of last season without Mane and Matip.
Very poor in defensive display and lacking the final 3rd punch. Mane and Matip helped to fill in these gaps of last season.
Problem is one can see the heavy metla pressing will not last the full season as injuries and fatique start to set in.
So begs the question of squad building. That is our weakness presently.

[KopThat]

What a kick in the balls that was.

Matip should have been in from the start and replaced by Klavan if he faded.

Henderson's pass completion must have been pretty low especially in the first half.

You can't fault Firmino he had an outstanding game, and Coutinho was still getting back to match fitness.

Credit Swansea their game plan worked, absorb our possession football, limit chances and wait for a counter

[God's Left Peg]

We've been lethargic and flat the last few matches. Right from the start a few players were spraying passes to the opposition which is usually a sign of poor mentality or fatigue, both of which can be linked. It's a worry at this stage of the season. Being Klopps first full season I'm curious as whether the high energy from early season is taking it's toll and this is part of Klopp's learning as much as the teams.

Still plenty to play for. Hoping we can push on.

I think this is a fair question but have absolute faith in Klopp to find a solution. We will get there. Might not be this season or even next but we will win things with him.

[howes hound]

First time they won here in the league is what I think they said a lot of telly pal.

No. 'First time Swansea have defeated Liverpool at Anfield'. Heard it again and again.
Still, not really the important point. As is said elsewhere on here, Mane has disguised many of the shortcomings of this side. We've been pulling games out of the fire on his genius. Without him we don't look so good. Mind you, you could say that about Chelsea without Costa. Or go back a few seasons and LFC without Suarez. Football is still about talent that can't be coached, and that's what makes it the game it is.

[JLStretton]

Is "bedwetters" still the 16/17 RAWK word of the season?

It is for the knobheads who like to use it.

[vinothmct]

No. 'First time Swansea have defeated Liverpool at Anfield'. Heard it again and again.
Still, not really the important point. As is said elsewhere on here, Mane has disguised many of the shortcomings of this side. We've been pulling games out of the fire on his genius. Without him we don't look so good. Mind you, you could say that about Chelsea without Costa. Or go back a few seasons and LFC without Suarez. Football is still about talent that can't be coached, and that's what makes it the game it is.

I disagree its not like mane is the real reason we are playing well. Its simple football. With mane there we ahve a different kind of threat. PACE. With him gone its not there. There is no one to beat players with pace. We dont miss Mane we miss someone with pace. Next season we will be alright when klopp makes a few signings

[RedKenWah]

I disagree its not like mane is the real reason we are playing well. Its simple football. With mane there we ahve a different kind of threat. PACE. With him gone its not there. There is no one to beat players with pace. We dont miss Mane we miss someone with pace. Next season we will be alright when klopp makes a few signings

Totally agree! I would have said that I am surprised that we didn't sign anyone with pace this window but I bet they come at a premium or are very hard to find

[jepovic]

We need more good players. Matip and Mane were great signings, and Klavan has exceeded expectations. We need a few more like that. A creative midfielder, another quick winger like Mane, a left back.

Klopp and his team have already shown that they can find quality players, and that's crucial. If you can't spot a good player, it doesn't help if you buy 7 players every window.

[jepovic]

I disagree its not like mane is the real reason we are playing well. Its simple football. With mane there we ahve a different kind of threat. PACE. With him gone its not there. There is no one to beat players with pace. We dont miss Mane we miss someone with pace. Next season we will be alright when klopp makes a few signings

Yup. He's also a player that likes to receive the ball in the box. We tend to have too many passers and too few receivers/runners in the team.

[Red Viper]

48 hours on and I'm still absolutely livid about this. I think what pisses me off most is Klopp saying things like "it's not like there's a list of players out there who could improve us" (paraphrasing) when we're starting Lovren, Klavan, Can and Wijnaldum in the spine of our team.

I'm sorry but no, just no. I'm not having that there aren't any players available who would be an improvement on any of them four.

And I cannot believe that our grand plan for when Mane left for the AFCON was for us to move Lallana out of the position that's seen him become, arguably, one of the best players in the league, into a position he was shite in for the whole of last season.

[killer-heels]

In the defence of Klopp for squad size, you have to say that I bet he and us as fans expected more from Can, Origi and Sturridge. Origi has provided a decent contribution with goals but his link and hold up play has been worse. Can has gone completely backwards and Sturridge seems to be ineffective for us now.

If even 2 of them would have shown consistent form (or as consistent as subs can be) then i dont think we would be complaining as much about squad size.

[Bergersrightwingviews]

In the defence of Klopp for squad size, you have to say that I bet he and us as fans expected more from Can, Origi and Sturridge. Origi has provided a decent contribution with goals but his link and hold up play has been worse. Can has gone completely backwards and Sturridge seems to be ineffective for us now.

If even 2 of them would have shown consistent form (or as consistent as subs can be) then i dont think we would be complaining as much about squad size.

That is a really good point actually. Those 3 should be doing much better. I would choose Wijnaldum over Allen every time, but I wonder if we would have been better off with him as next pick rather than Can. I guess if Allen wanted first team football only then it is irrelevant.

[killer-heels]

That is a really good point actually. Those 3 should be doing much better. I would choose Wijnaldum over Allen every time, but I wonder if we would have been better off with him as next pick rather than Can. I guess if Allen wanted first team football only then it is irrelevant.

There are few if any fans that would have kept Allen instead of Can if we had the option. Both he and Sturridge was probably still on most peoples best 11 at the start of the season but neither have performed well when given opportunities. Origi is still a bit raw so you can forgive him but in our minds everything just progresses smoothly and Origi becomes even better when in the real world players sometimes do regress in a season.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

That is a really good point actually. Those 3 should be doing much better. I would choose Wijnaldum over Allen every time, but I wonder if we would have been better off with him as next pick rather than Can. I guess if Allen wanted first team football only then it is irrelevant.

Allen is only excelling this year because he gets to play as a 10, not as a CM/DM as he would have played here. Can he play as part of the front 3 in our current setup? Not so sure.

The only players we have who are natural MF's are Can, Henderson and Lucas. Lallana is more of an AM, even though he has played well as a converted MF, and so is Wijnaldum. That's why all those rumours for the likes of Dahoud. We do need another body in there, unless if one of Allan / Ejaria can get into our first team next year. Because Lucas will probably be leaving, and Can I think isn't a long term solution.

[Bergersrightwingviews]

There are few if any fans that would have kept Allen instead of Can if we had the option. Both he and Sturridge was probably still on most peoples best 11 at the start of the season but neither have performed well when given opportunities. Origi is still a bit raw so you can forgive him but in our minds everything just progresses smoothly and Origi becomes even better when in the real world players sometimes do regress in a season.

I was happy to see Allen go to be honest so this is a bit Captain Hindsight on my part.

Can really does look out of sorts at the moment. I think he and the club are still struggling to figure out what sort of player he is. He seems to have a lot of good qualities, but not a cohesive set of qualities.

I stand by my opinion that he and Henderson should never be in the same midfield.

[stockdam]

Credit Swansea their game plan worked, absorb our possession football, limit chances and wait for a counter

That's what the vast majority of teams will do against us. They'll be very solid defensively and to some extent ride their luck.
They'll then break quickly and our midfield will be slow getting back plus our defence will not be tight.

We give away far too much room in midfield and at the back. Going forwards we can be too slow and our concentration and marking is poor at times.

There is a way to play against us and a lot of teams, especially at the bottom of the league, know how to play against us.

We're good in tight games where we have to be at 100% but in the "easier" games we get lax and caught out. It's a concentration issue more than anything.

[Ciara (with a capital "C")]

It was nowhere near good enough and that has been the case for some time now.

Feel like I've been saying this forever, but we need to bounceback and string some wins together - these next 3 games more than ever.

Hard to see where the upturn of form comes from really.

All we can do is keep going, keep fighting for every point.

[sirKennyDaggers]

Hmmmm ......... Heard this umpteen times on the telly yesterday too.
Wrong.
1964 FA Cup, 6th round, Swansea beat us at Anfield 2-1. They were a worse team (3rd div), and arguably Liverpool were a better side than today's. We won the league that year, the FA Cup for the first time the following year. Moran missed a pen in the second half - his kick nearly took my head off and I was half way up the Kop. If you think yesterday was awful, you should have been there back then. People were weeping on the bus back to town.
40 pages of posts tells you how much people love to moan. As the old man used to say, I could give you something to really moan about.

Yep,I remember that match,we were so desperate to win the FA Cup for the first time and we were odds on to beat Swansea and qualify for the semi final.
Saturday was like losing a friendly compared to the mood that day.

[gatcliffe]

Anyone else thought that JK looked tired after Saturday's game ?

[jillcwhomever]

Anyone else thought that JK looked tired after Saturday's game ?

I think it is tough on him at the moment. Nothing much is going right he has lost a bit of sparkle. The transfers, the results, the lack of belief that some fans seem to have. This is why i sometimes get so frusrated on here. I can't get why some cannot see how far we have already come with this guy. Yes we're in a rut at the moment, but that happens in football.

If we manage to overcome Southampton on Wednesday our belief will increase, hopefully that will motivate our fanbase as well. We've already improved beyond last season, we really should be upbeat. The club's future is looking bright, as well as the academy. We need to start beliveving again, to believe in this guy's vision for us. A good win on Wednesday and i am sure we will see a bit of pressure ease from JK.

[Bonaqua]

That's what the vast majority of teams will do against us. They'll be very solid defensively and to some extent ride their luck.
They'll then break quickly and our midfield will be slow getting back plus our defence will not be tight.

We give away far too much room in midfield and at the back. Going forwards we can be too slow and our concentration and marking is poor at times.

There is a way to play against us and a lot of teams, especially at the bottom of the league, know how to play against us.

We're good in tight games where we have to be at 100% but in the "easier" games we get lax and caught out. It's a concentration issue more than anything.

Its a concentration issue. But also an attitude issue both among players and fans. we must all look at how we approach the lesser team games. Luckily our manager is the best motivational speaker around. He'll fix it. Lets give him the best working conditions possible

[jillcwhomever]

Its a concentration issue. But also an attitude issue both among players and fans. we must all look at how we approach the lesser team games. Luckily our manager is the best motivational speaker around. He'll fix it. Lets give him the best working conditions possible

Spot on. We are never better as a team at Anfield when the ground is with us. We become an unstoppable force then, that's what we have to become again. We need an atmosphere to keep the players going. I don't doubt JK will be bigging the crowd up on that last night before the game. Win a place in a cup final and hopefully our season becomes on again. 

[killer-heels]

I think it is tough on him at the moment. Nothing much is going right he has lost a bit of sparkle. The transfers, the results, the lack of belief that some fans seem to have. This is why i sometimes get so frusrated on here. I can't get why some cannot see how far we have already come with this guy. Yes we're in a rut at the moment, but that happens in football.

If we manage to overcome Southampton on Wednesday our belief will increase, hopefully that will motivate our fanbase as well. We've already improved beyond last season, we really should be upbeat. The club's future is looking bright, as well as the academy. We need to start beliveving again, to believe in this guy's vision for us. A good win on Wednesday and i am sure we will see a bit of pressure ease from JK.

I think as well he will be gutted about how much of an opportunity they have blown this season and CL football doesnt at this moment seem a consolation. He is clearly a winner and we are unbeaten against the top 6. We have literally done the hard work, only to throw it away against complete rubbish sides.

[jillcwhomever]

I think as well he will be gutted about how much of an opportunity they have blown this season and CL football doesnt at this moment seem a consolation. He is clearly a winner and we are unbeaten against the top 6. We have literally done the hard work, only to throw it away against complete rubbish sides.

True but then we come back to improving our squad players. That's the key for my mind. We need a higher quality of squad players who can come in and play to the same standard that our first eleven can. At the moment there is a drop in standard, so it makes it easier on the opposition. The work we do in this coming summer transfer period is going to be crucial for our future.

[killer-heels]

True but then we come back to improving our squad players. That's the key for my mind. We need a higher quality of squad players who can come in and play to the same standard that our first eleven can. At the moment there is a drop in standard, so it makes it easier on the opposition. The work we do in this coming summer transfer period is going to be crucial for our future.

Indeed but that wouldnt be a consolation at this precise moment. Also he is smart enough to know that LFC doesnt exist in isolation and sometimes things dont always go forwards as you would like. That probably explains why he looks a bit deflated.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

We need more good players. Matip and Mane were great signings, and Klavan has exceeded expectations. We need a few more like that. A creative midfielder, another quick winger like Mane, a left back.

Klopp and his team have already shown that they can find quality players, and that's crucial. If you can't spot a good player, it doesn't help if you buy 7 players every window.

Has he? He might have been a cheap punt who has done OK here and there in games with minimal pressure on him but he was essentially brought in to replace Sakho as our left footed centre half to cover for Matip and Lovren. I'm no fan of Sakho but is he as good as Sakho? Very clearly not. With the money we made in the summer there was nothing stopping us bringing in someone better.

Apart from one thing of course: FSG won't commit Sakho's wages to a replacement before selling him.

From day one and day two when he was constantly playing everyone onside at the Emirates and being nut-megged by Steven Defour he's not really looked up to the level we require.

[vinothmct]

Anyone else thought that JK looked tired after Saturday's game ?

Here comes the body language experts. I see no change in his behaviour. He will be prickly to the media once result goes bad. Its part of drama. I hope our fans dont turn on Klopp like they did against Brendan.

If klopp doesn't win PL with us. I dont know who will especially with our spend

[Bergersrightwingviews]

I think as well he will be gutted about how much of an opportunity they have blown this season and CL football doesnt at this moment seem a consolation. He is clearly a winner and we are unbeaten against the top 6. We have literally done the hard work, only to throw it away against complete rubbish sides.

Great point. We all laugh at Ronaldo and his "me, me, me" attitude, but he loves scoring and he loves winning. When he plays sh*te teams he thinks "Great. I am going to fill my boots". Suarez was the same. His hat-tricks against Norwich are a great example of how he treated every game the same.

I am not sure which of our players have that will to win at all costs. I still think we are a bit too nice. We should be raring to go against teams like Swansea thinking "we are going to absolutely humiliate you".

When we are recruiting we should make players play Mario Kart or something against an absolute pro. The ones that lose their rag when they lose are the players I want.