Author Topic: Liverpool vs Hull - Sat 25th Oct 14 (Read 45703 times)

artanis · « **Reply #40 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:06:51 pm »

Quote from: Gerry83 on October 23, 2014, 12:56:42 pm

The try something different approach:

--------Migs---------
GJ-Skr-Lovr-Moreno
----Hendo-Allen----
Sterling---Coutinho
-------Lallana-------
--Lambert-Balotelli-

We have a winner!
Resting Gerrard is a great idea.
Fielding 12 players less so.

didi · « **Reply #41 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:10:19 pm »

Quote from: Zelnaga on October 23, 2014, 12:51:32 pm

Give Sterling a start up front!

no way...we need him running at players....love to see two up front, Lambert and Balotelli

newterp · « **Reply #42 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:10:43 pm »

Bet Mario doesn't even make the bench for this one.

didi · « **Reply #43 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:12:04 pm »

Quote from: Gerry83 on October 23, 2014, 12:56:42 pm

The try something different approach:

--------Migs---------
GJ-Skr-Lovr-Moreno
----Hendo-Allen----
Sterling---Coutinho
-------Lallana-------
--Lambert-Balotelli-

can you please explain why you would start Johnson over Manquillo

Sir Psycho Sexy · « **Reply #44 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:12:14 pm »

Quote from: newterp on October 23, 2014, 01:10:43 pm

Bet Mario doesn't even make the bench for this one.

Because he'll be playing?

JackWard33 · « **Reply #45 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:13:10 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on October 23, 2014, 01:02:36 pm

We have Swansea in the league cup on tuesday, we shouldn't rest Sterling for this one.

You're right we should play him and play him and play him
Rodgers has got himself into a ridiculous situation with the player - paying lip service to having to look after him while he's still psychically developing and them playing every game and never subbing him ever. Why was he left on for 90 minutes last night?
There's endless evidence about how careful you have to be with footballers at this age, he could be one of the best players ever to play for us and yet all of that is thrown in the bin and replaced with short term panic.
I'd have him on the bench for Hull - if we can't beat them at home without one player with the squad we have we want shot.

Coolie High · « **Reply #46 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:15:48 pm »

Quote from: JackWard33 on October 23, 2014, 01:13:10 pm

You're right we should play him and play him and play him
Rodgers has got himself into a ridiculous situation with the player - paying lip service to having to look after him while he's still psychically developing and them playing every game and never subbing him ever. Why was he left on for 90 minutes last night?
There's endless evidence about how careful you have to be with footballers at this age, he could be one of the best players ever to play for us and yet all of that is thrown in the bin and replaced with short term panic.
I'd have him on the bench for Hull - if we can't beat them at home without one player with the squad we have we want shot.

Messi was playing consistently at that age too.

So was Neymar Fabregas Gotze and etc.

If you're a mega talent like Sterling is, you play a lot from young, most of the prodigious great players follow the same path.

mkingdon · « **Reply #47 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:16:45 pm »

The way we are defending I'd play Lambert at CB!!

Right now, on Hull's training ground they are doing nothing but practice corners and free kicks. I doubt we are doing the same unfortunately.

With only Toure as an alternative I'm not sure we'll see a change at CB, so I think we'll see a team like this....

Migs

Manquillo Skrtel Lovren Moreno

Gerrard

Henderson Allen

Sterling Balotelli Coutinho

I'd line up like this though....

Migs

Manquillo Skrtel Lovren Moreno

Gerrard

Henderson Lallana

Coutinho

Sterling Balotelli

Mario probably deserves to be dropped, but BR seems not to fancy Lambert or Borini at all, so I think he'll play again. Gerrard will play and then get rested for Swansea in the League cup.

Gerry83 · « **Reply #48 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:17:59 pm »

Quote from: artanis on October 23, 2014, 01:06:51 pm

We have a winner!
Resting Gerrard is a great idea.
Fielding 12 players less so.

In that case i'm dropping Mignolet...

Gerry83 · « **Reply #49 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:20:41 pm »

Quote from: didi on October 23, 2014, 01:12:04 pm

can you please explain why you would start Johnson over Manquillo

Physically stronger. More experienced are the only things i can think of to justify my decision... All in all i think hes just a more 'solid' option at the minute.

CoventryYNWA · « **Reply #50 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:20:45 pm »

If (when) we win, 3 premiership wins on the bounce.

Doom and gloom...

mkferdy · « **Reply #51 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:20:49 pm »

Going to be a difficult game this I can see us being flat following two games in quick succession. Think hull will look to keep it tight and punish us on set pieces / corners.

as always with games of this nature an early goal could dictate the type of game however if it doesn't come I hope we can play a more possession based style where we look to up the tempo of our passing in the final third . Whether we go with Balotelli or Lambert as the central striker it's important we get players in and around them otherwise as we have seen this season they become isolated. We don't have the energy due to the amount of games we are playing or the players available at the moment to play a quick attacking style.

Sterling is our only outlet so we need to find another way of playing that ultilises the strengths of the players. Possession based football where we incorporate a higher tempo in and around the box is how I would go. Whether the manager will have the time to incorporate this in training is doubtful.

Gonna be a hard slog this year.

Caston · « **Reply #52 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:21:31 pm »

Quote from: Gerry83 on October 23, 2014, 01:20:41 pm

Physically stronger. More experienced are the only things i can think of to justify my decision... All in all i think hes just a more 'solid' option at the minute.

The experience really showed last night

Chakan · « **Reply #53 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:22:20 pm »

Quote from: Caston on October 23, 2014, 01:21:31 pm

The experience really showed last night

Yup enough experience to practically high five Ronaldo on corners.

Gerry83 · « **Reply #54 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:24:01 pm »

Quote from: Caston on October 23, 2014, 01:21:31 pm

The experience really showed last night

He should have done better for the second goal and lost the ball once or twice. He also made a few interceptions though and looked ok.

JackWard33 · « **Reply #55 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:25:40 pm »

Quote from: Gerry83 on October 23, 2014, 01:20:41 pm

Physically stronger. More experienced are the only things i can think of to justify my decision... All in all i think hes just a more 'solid' option at the minute.

Good luck finding a single actual stat (ie fact) that backs that up.
He doesn't tackle, doesn't intercept and never blocks a cross.... other than that he's solid as a rock
Manquillo on the other hand has arguably been our best 'defender' this season

didi · « **Reply #56 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:26:04 pm »

Quote from: Gerry83 on October 23, 2014, 01:20:41 pm

Physically stronger. More experienced are the only things i can think of to justify my decision... All in all i think hes just a more 'solid' option at the minute.

Manquillo has been solid in games not spectacular but solid, Johnson returns from injury and walks straight back into the side and has been poor, bizarre to say the least

Chakan · « **Reply #57 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:27:10 pm »

Quote from: JackWard33 on October 23, 2014, 01:25:40 pm

Good luck finding a single actual stat (ie fact) that backs that up.
He doesn't tackle, doesn't intercept and never blocks a cross.... other than that he's solid as a rock
Manquillo on the other hand has arguably been our best 'defender' this season

Pisses me off that Johnson just waltzes back into the team when Manquillo has been the better defender.

Chris~ · « **Reply #58 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:27:58 pm »

Third game in six days isn't ideal. Obviously where the bigger squad is supposed to help so it'll be interesting to see who starts.

JackWard33 · « **Reply #59 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:28:07 pm »

Quote from: Coolie High on October 23, 2014, 01:15:48 pm

Messi was playing consistently at that age too.

So was Neymar Fabregas Gotze and etc.

If you're a mega talent like Sterling is, you play a lot from young, most of the prodigious great players follow the same path.

You're right level of talent is the defining factor in fatigue, physical development, wear and tear.... really? That's just a ridiculous argument.
Why didn't Jack Wilshire's talent stop him having a series of injuries, why didn't Michael Owen's talent stop his hamstring going??
Sorry I have no clue what point you're making here

ANFIELDGATES · « **Reply #60 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:29:06 pm »

Quote from: Gerry83 on October 23, 2014, 01:17:59 pm

In that case i'm dropping Mignolet...

..now gerry that may be the best thing uve posted !!!!...seriously though,its amazing we are actually worried about hull...fuck me weve fallen on hard times...p.s..padddypower has hull at 13/2 to win...now if i was a hull fan id be lumping on at that price.

Caston · « **Reply #61 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:30:14 pm »

Quote from: Gerry83 on October 23, 2014, 01:20:41 pm

Physically stronger. More experienced are the only things i can think of to justify my decision... All in all i think hes just a more 'solid' option at the minute.

Glen Johnson's game by numbers:

29% tackles won
2 clearances
0 aerial duels
0 chances created

He was solid yeah

robgreen91 · « **Reply #62 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:34:35 pm »

Quote from: I am new on October 23, 2014, 12:44:29 pm

Anyone think we will keep a clean sheet?

What's that then?

Gerry83 · « **Reply #63 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:41:26 pm »

Quote from: Caston on October 23, 2014, 01:30:14 pm

Glen Johnson's game by numbers:

29% tackles won
2 clearances
0 aerial duels
0 chances created

He was solid yeah

Just my opinion. All were poor last night and stats dont always tell the whole story.

Wernerred · « **Reply #64 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:49:05 pm »

Quote from: Upinsmoke on October 23, 2014, 12:50:55 pm

Be good to get a third win in a row. Would change a few personnel.

Jones
Manquillo Kolo Lovren Moreno

Allen
Henderson Coutinho

Sterling Lallana
Lambert

Agreed on Jones, have had enough of Mignolet really. Not sure Kolo is the answer to our defensive troubles though. Isnt Sakho back fit for this one?

Brentieke · « **Reply #65 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:51:32 pm »

Quote from: 4pool on October 23, 2014, 12:58:38 pm

I hope those who were advocating Sterling as a lone striker, like Carragher, noticed we didn't get one decent shot on goal in the second half last night. A lot of huff and puff.

Radical idea, but play Lambert as striker and Balotelli as a false 9. Balotelli was the ability to play wide and drop back to get the ball. Ricky is to slow to do that so leave him up front to push their defense back to allow space.

A Balotelli Lambert partnership would be the most immobile strike force we've had in our history.

May as well play Hunt and St John up front.

Samie · « **Reply #66 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:53:19 pm »

Just win fuck anything else.

indlfc · « **Reply #67 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:55:22 pm »

This could be a tricky game. They everything we hate,pace, pressing and power. I wouldn't play Sterling as a striker. Even though it would be pleasing for the eyes, we were a bit like Arsenal ,that is trying to walk the ball into the net. Would play someone who have goals in mind (well not some one who like to shoot from anywhere

) . With Gerrard and Lallana rested for for Swansea game.

Jones
Manq Skrtel Lovren Moreno
Lucas
Hendo Can
Sterling Coutinho
Borini

Bench : Mignolet, GJ,Allen,Markovic,Toure,Lambert.

My prediction: 2-1

A clean sheet is out of the question, we should attack with intensity.

indlfc · « **Reply #68 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:56:18 pm »

Quote from: Brentie on October 23, 2014, 01:51:32 pm

A Balotelli Lambert partnership would be the most immobile strike force we've had in our history.

May as well play Hunt and St John up front.

You are forgetting the game we we played Shelvey upfront.

I am new · « **Reply #69 on:** October 23, 2014, 02:01:45 pm »

Personally think Lallana is a must in this game. He has been one of our better signings and for the money we paid for him, he definitely should be starting games like this.

Torben Piechniks Y-Fronts · « **Reply #70 on:** October 23, 2014, 02:02:27 pm »

The closest team we can put out to last year is with Sterling up front with three behind, it will give pace, trickery and a chance of some intricate football until we have Sturridge back.

Anything else involving Lambert, Mario or Borini will not do and is moving in totally the opposite direction to where we were last year, slow target men with nothing special to offer at all. We are bloody toothless with any of these three and look totally uninspiring.

Steling is the closest thing we have to stretch teams, get in behind them and commit player like Suarez/Sturridge did for so long last year-not his best position but much more of a threat than any of the other three we have- put Couthinio, Lallana etc in behind and you have something resembling what we did well for so long last season.
Think we saw signs of it second half last night even allowing for the fact madrid were beinging to coast.

I am new · « **Reply #71 on:** October 23, 2014, 02:03:53 pm »

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/video/live/live-events#
Brendan's Press conference about to start.

Brentieke · « **Reply #72 on:** October 23, 2014, 02:04:13 pm »

Quote from: indlfc on October 23, 2014, 01:56:18 pm

You are forgetting the game we we played Shelvey upfront.

Looks like Usain Bolt compared to the other 2.

tyrolean_red · « **Reply #73 on:** October 23, 2014, 02:07:45 pm »

It would make life a LOT easier of we could keep a clean sheet for once.

indlfc · « **Reply #74 on:** October 23, 2014, 02:10:34 pm »

Quote from: Brentie on October 23, 2014, 02:04:13 pm

Looks like Usain Bolt compared to the other 2.

I don't think Lambert is immobile like Balotelli. Against WBA Lambert made a lot of runs and our mid fielders were able to find fim few times. Its just that he is too slow and will not able run onto a through ball. However Balotelli rarely makes those runs. At the moment i would prefer to see Lambert in the side.

slipslidin82 · « **Reply #75 on:** October 23, 2014, 02:17:30 pm »

Notes from Press Conference so far...

Have you punished Mario [for the shirt swap]?

No, just a conversation on the culture on the club. No further reaction from the squad.

Mario's long term future?

Inevitable questions if he doesn't play well. You have to accept that. He's trying hard - longer term we'll see.

Sterling as main striker?

No, it was just for that particular game (Madrid). He understands the position so we can look at it, but not regularly.

Mario's qualities to get past his difficult patch?

Is this the Mario Balotelli conference? Hard work and confidence equals success.

Defensive problems?

Need to be better as a whole team. More competitive and aggressive as a whole team. We'll continue to work on it.

Hull?

Steve's done an excellent job. Difficult game, etc.

How are you coping with added attention Balotelli draws ('Balotelli show')?

It's no problem for me. I work in exactly the same way. MB is no different to me to other players.

How do you integrate his individual mindset into the team ethic?

I like individual personalities, just not people who see themselves as individuals. He's working hard and doing his best.

Could he become a scapegoat?

We've been a victim of our own success. People are blamed because of the disappointment that comes from achieving so much in a short time and those high expectations.

[LFC stream crashed]

nfletcher23 · « **Reply #76 on:** October 23, 2014, 02:19:14 pm »

Can't see there being massive changes with the Swansea game on tuesday he'll want to swap it round then, change up top if there was to be one though, or Johnson

newterp · « **Reply #77 on:** October 23, 2014, 02:19:39 pm »

Quote from: Sir Psycho Sexy on October 23, 2014, 01:12:14 pm

Because he'll be playing?

I truly don't think he will make the bench as a punishment.

Dakota · « **Reply #78 on:** October 23, 2014, 02:19:47 pm »

Quote from: tyrolean_red on October 23, 2014, 02:07:45 pm

It would make life a LOT easier of we could keep a clean sheet for once.

Couldn't give less of a shit right now, to be honest. 5-4, 3-2, 14-13... 9 points out of the last 3 is all I want. Slog through it and wait for Daniel Sturridge to come home from the war.

Brentieke · « **Reply #79 on:** October 23, 2014, 02:20:08 pm »

Quote from: indlfc on October 23, 2014, 02:10:34 pm

I don't think Lambert is immobile like Balotelli. Against WBA Lambert made a lot of runs and our mid fielders were able to find fim few times. Its just that he is too slow and will not able run onto a through ball. However Balotelli rarely makes those runs. At the moment i would prefer to see Lambert in the side.

Jesus mate, I'm completely on the other side of the fence. Lambert is the slowest player I've ever seen in Red. Slower than Christian Poulsen and Erik Meijer.

Don't want him anywhere near the first 11.