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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #80 on: January 3, 2013, 02:53:14 pm »
Don't know where you're from mate but as soon as I hear songs about stereo's being nicked and 'sign on' it stops being banter and they become fucking pricks, as was the case last night.

Is the correct answer.

I swear away fans are given a song sheet when they come through the Anfield road turnstiles. Week in, week out the same old small time shite is spouted, take your pick from any of the following on any given match day:-

You're not famous anymore
Sssssssshhhhhhhhhh
Where's your famous atmosphere
Luis Suarez, you know what you are
Sign on etc. ( sung usually, as already pointed out by fans from a poor empoyment area!)
Feed the scousers ( at Christmas time it makes it's annual showing like fucking slade!)
In your Liverpool slums ( not that common anymore, but still, Middlesbrough? Seriously?)
Your support is fucking shite ( sung by fans with empty seats next to them, with even more by the time they are 3 down!)
3-0 etc. and you still dont sing
We forgot that you were here
Is this a library

Most of it is boring, some of it is fucking ludicrous. All of it is small time. Sung by small time fans. I know there are fans of other teams on here who will swear that they don't sing it, but the truth is they do. Our atmosphere may not be what it once was but that is life and modern football. I know we can still raise the roof for big games, and that no ground in the country can match us on our day!

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #81 on: January 3, 2013, 02:57:28 pm »
Agree with this totally.

Are there any plans to address this issue (atmosphere) as part of the stadium refurb ?
E.g. dedicated singing sections or moving the RTK sections down?



I'll bet there's no way the club will bring them down to the front behind the goal, i.e. blocks 106 / 105  - can see these seats being more highly priced than elsewhere on the Kop next season. 

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #82 on: January 3, 2013, 03:11:34 pm »
I don't have one. Not sure why you feel we need to respond with 'humour'. What would you do if someone you didn't know walked up to you and mocked a family member? Would you crack a joke to show what a good egg you were?
 They are fucking wankers and should be treated as such. Think about it.
I don't, but I think it would shut them up. If someone on the street were doing most of their communication by singing or chanting, I would assume that they were a bit odd. Same social rules doesn't apply on the stands. I'll try to elaborate why I think humour would be suitable for dealing with this in a somewhat confused rambling below. I apologise in advance, haha, and please try and keep an open mind, I'm only letting my thoughts roam.

quinny, you have some interesting points. I think that ticket prices are a factor, but maybe not the most important one. I think that the Kop might be a bit too "cosy". Older ST holders who used to sing their hearts out are not up to it to the same extent, but they still remain in the Kop because the ones that they used to sing with are also there still. In other countries, the "Kop" are a place where you go if you want to get a cheap ticket and sing. It will be rowdier and you can't expect to see much of the game if you want to remain seated. Usually, the older generation moves over to the main stand(s) where they can join in occasionally but still have a higher level of comfort with better seats etc. These tickets are more expensive, but they are in a better position to afford this now and they prioritise a good footy experience more than a loud atmosphere. In the Kop, you can usually sit throughout the entire game. There's no need to sing unless you want to, people won't give you looks for being quiet. Why then move to the pricier main stand?

I don't know wheather it's a cultural difference or only strict enforcements of the all seaters. I'm not English, nor Scouse. My local team is AIK Stockholm and the atmosphere is usually loud and aggressive. In the "Kop" section (norra stå), you have to expect that there will be flares, smoke grenades, bangers and if anyone tried to force people to sit down, there would likely be trouble. When people on that section becomes too old to be arsed and want to focus on the game, they move to the main stands instead. Tickets are reasonably priced, but not dirt cheap and it's only about £10-20 difference between the most expensive tickets on the main stand and the "Kop". The EL-matches usually fill only half the stadium, but it's almost even louder, because it's only the most devoted that will go even though the tickets are usually very cheap for these games. I went to the AIK - Napoli game and it was incredibly intense throughout, but you could almost touch the hostility in the air. A few AIK fans were stabbed in Naples, and in the second leg, Italians were chased around town all day.

I'm not saying that Liverpool have or should have hooligans chasing people around if they do or sing something stupid, but it's their way of "reclaiming the kop". They take it by force, and it can be grim. Liverpool is a friendly club with very well behaved supporters, and that would never happen. It's a working class club from a beautiful and friendly town with friendly people, but the reaction to this great club being bullied is what? Nothing. Ajax were and are taunted by their rivals for being jews. They have always been supportive of the Jewish community in Amsterdam and are non facist. Their response was to adopt the taunts and start chanting "Ajax joden, superjoden" etc. They made it their pride and it united them even more. AIK were being called rats, and it is now their fans' symbol and an informal nickname for the club. Scousers are being taunted for being thieves and unemployed/poor. It's fucked, yes, but one response could be to take pride in the working class background and emphasise that and turn it in to something beautiful. Shankly's socialism, Scouse solidarnosc (personal favourite) etc. I would suggest that this would be a suitable option for the club and it's culture. The thieving is trickier, it's hard to turn it into something positive, so why not use the Scouse wit that you are famous for to disarm it? AIK doesn't do wit, instead they use intimidation. Wit is more of the Liverpool way to go, and I can't see why not give it a try. As people already pointed out, fans that sing ignorant songs are c*nts, it's just a suggestion on what to do about it. Other suggestions are welcome.




*Edit: And I agree that if they could move the "singing section" of the Kop down to the front, it might be an improvement. I'm not too involved with the different fan groups (RTK, SOS etc.) and don't know what the relation to LFC is, but maybe one of these groups could discuss the possibilities with the club when they are redeveloping Anfield. 
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #83 on: January 3, 2013, 04:01:57 pm »
The club needs to attract more young adults/teens who are being priced out of it. Look at what united are charging for our game. There's categories for u16, 16-17 and 18-20. These age groups should help the atmosphere improve and they are more likely to keep on going when they get past those ages.

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #84 on: January 3, 2013, 04:19:11 pm »
I am always disappointed with the atmosphere, and have been for years now.  I was in 202 last night, and while some around us were joining in with the singing, not many put much passion into it.... it was quiet until we got the 3rd last night, then it got going a bit ... and then died a death again... I just wish people who didn't want to join in would sit elsewhere and the KOP was reserved for the passionate fans, as it used to be when it was standing... you didn't get people in there with cameras and Wanker Hats in those days.   :butt
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #85 on: January 3, 2013, 04:33:53 pm »
Stewards have been cracking down on standing even more this season too. A lot of the time, most of 304 seems to be sitting now, for Fulham people were sitting as far up as the mid 60s. It really affects the singing when people are forced to sit.
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #86 on: January 3, 2013, 05:05:58 pm »
There was a lad on 606 on five live the other night who was complaining about  the standing around 306.
The jist of his argument was that as a season ticket holder who travels up to Anfield from down south somewhere, why do the stewards tell him to sit down when those in 306 are allowed to stand. He was calling it double standards by the club and that it should be one or the other. I couldn't understand what he was trying to do. Everybody knows, and certainly regular match goers, that if you are in 306 and the peripherals you get away with standing, others don't necessarily.

He was going on so much, even my Missus snapped and wanted me to ring in and try to make him understand how things are. With this kind of attitude, is it any wonder that our traditions are slowly being eroded away!

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #87 on: January 3, 2013, 05:17:02 pm »
The club needs to attract more young adults/teens who are being priced out of it. Look at what united are charging for our game. There's categories for u16, 16-17 and 18-20. These age groups should help the atmosphere improve and they are more likely to keep on going when they get past those ages.

Yup. Not that Old trafford is some kind of pinnacle of noise we should be judged on but anyone 20 or under pays a tenner less than full adult price. U16 pay £12 a game.
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #88 on: January 3, 2013, 08:47:12 pm »
The club needs to attract more young adults/teens who are being priced out of it. Look at what united are charging for our game. There's categories for u16, 16-17 and 18-20. These age groups should help the atmosphere improve and they are more likely to keep on going when they get past those ages.

Just been looking in to this and the 16-17 tickets at Old Trafford are around half the price of a normal ticket (so it would be £22.50 for a ticket on the Kop) and the 18-20 costs around £10 more than the 16-17 tickets.

If these tickets were ever implemented I reckon they should be allocated like "Dad and Lad" tickets are in that there is a limited amount of tickets and that they are located in the Kop - blocks 104-106 offering us in theory a group of supporters at the front of the Kop who will sing along with 306 so hopefully they can be heard better around the stadium or possibly have them in blocks 106 and 206 so they can join up with 306 to create a singing spine in the Kop.

Unfortunately I can't see something like this happening until the stadium gets redeveloped and the owners feel that they won't be losing out on too much money by lowering the price of 3,000 or so tickets.
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #89 on: January 3, 2013, 09:21:51 pm »
Did I hear "Theres only one BR" or did my ears deceive me?

Been around for a while that, at least he's getting support.

It wasn't exactly 'rocking' in 08/09 and we were 'winning games'.

The only way is to bring the RTK section down to the front. I really don't think anything else will change it at this stage.

Don't really think that's possible, people at the sides already get pissed off about people standing and blocking the view and have made complaints, no way in hell the club would allow people in 10X or 20X blocks to force the rest to stand for 90 minutes.
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #90 on: January 4, 2013, 02:21:20 am »
unfortunately the club have priced lots of people out a few years ago. The average age of the kop is about 50, no option for tickets for young people like Everton or even United, £40+ a pop for any premier league games. Child tickets have to be with adults. it's only going to get worse.
I agree. The younger generation are the key because they would cheer the team on and not expect them to win every game, because that's what they've seen them do in the past.

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #91 on: January 4, 2013, 02:29:06 am »
i think standing does make a difference because that is the way fans used to sing way back...but i think we can be too fixated on the standing bit....
atmosphere can still be produced in the non standing bit if ATTITUDES changed...its a state of mind...change that...you change the result
even in the other stands you get them joining in if there are a few who take the lead
the key is getting little groups together in the other stands too....
its a ripple effect
the problem is the central areas of each stand is taken up by the old seasies...so to overcome that is to instead of having one group in the middle of each stand...have two groups instead just off center ,on each side of the middle...it only takes about twenty in each group to make it work...theyre the leaders if you like and the rest will join in....it will ripple


the big obstacle to singing is that 'im on me fucking own here' situation....
with the little groups around yer youre more inclined to join in

the other problem is the songs die out too quickly before they ripple around the ground...from the kop
eventually people cant be arsed
keep them going  a bit longer and youll get more joining in i the different stands
at the end of the day we all want the same thing to get youre monies worth

its a better experience and the success follows with it...getting fucking boring going the match over the last few years...nearly jibbed it a few times but you stick in there thinking it will get sorted eventually....someones got to take the lead and quick because its fucking dying a death..


also you only get two chances a season to sort the ticket location out for the singing groups so if its not sorted by the start of next season...its not going to change until the tickets go on sale in bulk half way through the season...
is it something that sos can arrange with the club?
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #92 on: January 4, 2013, 03:28:42 am »
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A very good read and perspective, thanks for taking the time to write it.
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« Reply #93 on: January 5, 2013, 11:41:43 am »
Excellent post Horne. Think you've identified the problem but are sticking with the "solution" that has caused the problem. The I'm on my own here feeling is because those who would've sung with us are all clustered at the back where nobody can hear them.

The Kop is the singing section. Any groupings within that should be abolished. Tear up the 306 experiment it has failed the rest of us totally
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #94 on: January 5, 2013, 12:13:22 pm »
Has there ever been a capo in English football? Anything you can remember? I'm pretty sure the stewards wouldn't love the idea though.

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« Reply #95 on: January 5, 2013, 12:21:26 pm »
Excellent post Horne. Think you've identified the problem but are sticking with the "solution" that has caused the problem. The I'm on my own here feeling is because those who would've sung with us are all clustered at the back where nobody can hear them.

The Kop is the singing section. Any groupings within that should be abolished. Tear up the 306 experiment it has failed the rest of us totally
I can see where you're coming from, but wouldn't that lead to that no one was "allowed" to stand? Harder to look the other way if it's the entire Kop.

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #96 on: January 5, 2013, 12:25:46 pm »
Sounded decent on the tele tonight, but I despise that rattle thing someone keeps on bringing. It's like a Scouse vuvuzela, should be binned or banned. All random too.

Get a fucking grip lad. The rattle has been going at anfield for decades, it's a sort of tradition if you like and a throw back to the old days. Don't like it, mute your fucking tele

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #97 on: January 5, 2013, 12:29:37 pm »
Has there ever been a capo in English football? Anything you can remember? I'm pretty sure the stewards wouldn't love the idea though.

Not at Anfield. Never at Anfield.

Any c*nt who volunteered for the role would be slaughtered mercilessly and rightfully so. In a strange and unintentioned way it would improve the atmosphere though.
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #98 on: January 5, 2013, 12:34:20 pm »
Is the correct answer.

I swear away fans are given a song sheet when they come through the Anfield road turnstiles. Week in, week out the same old small time shite is spouted, take your pick from any of the following on any given match day:-

You're not famous anymore
Sssssssshhhhhhhhhh
Where's your famous atmosphere
Luis Suarez, you know what you are
Sign on etc. ( sung usually, as already pointed out by fans from a poor empoyment area!)
Feed the scousers ( at Christmas time it makes it's annual showing like fucking slade!)
In your Liverpool slums ( not that common anymore, but still, Middlesbrough? Seriously?)
Your support is fucking shite ( sung by fans with empty seats next to them, with even more by the time they are 3 down!)
3-0 etc. and you still dont sing
We forgot that you were here
Is this a library

Most of it is boring, some of it is fucking ludicrous. All of it is small time. Sung by small time fans. I know there are fans of other teams on here who will swear that they don't sing it, but the truth is they do. Our atmosphere may not be what it once was but that is life and modern football. I know we can still raise the roof for big games, and that no ground in the country can match us on our day!

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In the old days, we'd reply with:

'Back to school on Monday, back to school on Monday, nananana nananana.'

or

'Jackanory, Jackanory, Jackanory ...'

or

'Sing something simple, you simple twats.'

or, if they came out with something funny ...

'Oh you got yer education from the Kop ..'

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #99 on: January 5, 2013, 12:54:45 pm »
We should get some of the RAWK lot together, those of us who go individually (such as myself). In the bulk sales, everyone sends their dosh to one guy/girl and they get the tickets. Then when we get there, sing like fuck.
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #100 on: January 5, 2013, 04:34:55 pm »
Loads of good posts in this thread, the atmosphere has been slowly dying for years now and I am just hoping that when the refurb of the ground goes ahead then some decent thought will be put into singing sections and reduced prices for kids / teens / dads and lads.
For a more immediate solution I think there are areas in the ground that would respond to chants from the Kop - get the banter going again between the stands like we used to.. I'm in the paddock for most matches now and you can tell there are pockets of lads around the ground that are still up for it - especially in the Annie rd where they are getting more and more frustrated from being out sung by the away fans - get the banter going between the stands, unite the ground....Annie rd, Annie rd give us a song..
On a side note - villa were singing the usual feed the scousers, Liverpool slums shite until we clapped on 19 minutes in support of Petrov, didn't hear a fucking peep from them after that.  Sunderland win the prize for biggest gobshites though after singing get yer tits out for the lads when some of our girls were leaving the stadium. Small time..? Just a tad. Can't even fill their home ground, never mind their Annie rd allocation... Wankers.
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #101 on: January 5, 2013, 06:22:16 pm »
We should get some of the RAWK lot together, those of us who go individually (such as myself). In the bulk sales, everyone sends their dosh to one guy/girl and they get the tickets. Then when we get there, sing like fuck.

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #102 on: January 5, 2013, 06:28:12 pm »
Loads of good posts in this thread, the atmosphere has been slowly dying for years now and I am just hoping that when the refurb of the ground goes ahead then some decent thought will be put into singing sections and reduced prices for kids / teens / dads and lads.
For a more immediate solution I think there are areas in the ground that would respond to chants from the Kop - get the banter going again between the stands like we used to.. I'm in the paddock for most matches now and you can tell there are pockets of lads around the ground that are still up for it - especially in the Annie rd where they are getting more and more frustrated from being out sung by the away fans - get the banter going between the stands, unite the ground....Annie rd, Annie rd give us a song..
On a side note - villa were singing the usual feed the scousers, Liverpool slums shite until we clapped on 19 minutes in support of Petrov, didn't hear a fucking peep from them after that.  Sunderland win the prize for biggest gobshites though after singing get yer tits out for the lads when some of our girls were leaving the stadium. Small time..? Just a tad. Can't even fill their home ground, never mind their Annie rd allocation... Wankers.

Good points about atmosphere.

How anyone from Sunderland / Stoke / or for that matter Tottenham (which is a shithole full of people who if they are lucky are poor) can sing about job / money etc is beyond me.

 Its a case of working class people making fun of them selves or rich people taking the piss out of working class people - and I don't know what I find worse.
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #103 on: January 5, 2013, 06:54:23 pm »
Get a fucking grip lad. The rattle has been going at anfield for decades, it's a sort of tradition if you like and a throw back to the old days. Don't like it, mute your fucking tele
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #104 on: January 5, 2013, 07:08:08 pm »
Some good points in here, I've been going to the games regularly since 1998. I've had my mates season ticket in Kop block 204 since 2008, one thing I've noticed is since going the games every week/2weeks is the atmosphere gets worst and worst as seasons go by.

Also I can't believe out of the whole of the Kop we only have a section that stars the song. Maybe like someone said move the closer to the front to try and get everyone going.

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #105 on: January 5, 2013, 07:11:41 pm »
Is the correct answer.

I swear away fans are given a song sheet when they come through the Anfield road turnstiles. Week in, week out the same old small time shite is spouted, take your pick from any of the following on any given match day:-

You're not famous anymore
Sssssssshhhhhhhhhh
Where's your famous atmosphere
Luis Suarez, you know what you are
Sign on etc. ( sung usually, as already pointed out by fans from a poor empoyment area!)
Feed the scousers ( at Christmas time it makes it's annual showing like fucking slade!)
In your Liverpool slums ( not that common anymore, but still, Middlesbrough? Seriously?)
Your support is fucking shite ( sung by fans with empty seats next to them, with even more by the time they are 3 down!)
3-0 etc. and you still dont sing
We forgot that you were here
Is this a library

Most of it is boring, some of it is fucking ludicrous. All of it is small time. Sung by small time fans. I know there are fans of other teams on here who will swear that they don't sing it, but the truth is they do. Our atmosphere may not be what it once was but that is life and modern football. I know we can still raise the roof for big games, and that no ground in the country can match us on our day!

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And home or away we don't tend to sing any of that type of nonsense listed above.
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #106 on: January 5, 2013, 07:14:21 pm »
Always funny when people from the arse end of nowhere like Sunderland sing about scousers and unemployment. Oh yeah, where's the economic prosperity boom in the north east then?

Plus when they sing you're support is fucking shit. Have you seen the stadium of light ffs

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #107 on: January 5, 2013, 07:17:52 pm »
I know this will never happen but I always say to my mates stick the away fans in the main stand by the corner of the Kop. Then maybe with away fans singing alot you might motivate our fans more, plus imagine the banter  ;D

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #108 on: January 5, 2013, 09:00:51 pm »
I know this will never happen but I always say to my mates stick the away fans in the main stand by the corner of the Kop. Then maybe with away fans singing alot you might motivate our fans more, plus imagine the banter  ;D
Not a bad idea at all. Might be provocative that they'll have better seats than the home crowd but would motivate both the Kop as well as the rest of the main stand.

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #109 on: January 5, 2013, 09:41:09 pm »
The atmosphere at Anfield has declined steadily for years now. Currently it's at an all time low with no reason to believe it will get better. It used to really get to me, now I know it's irreversible and just accept it for what it is. As a Kop ST holder for over 20 years, I can honestly say the Kop is now an embarrassment....an old relic that occasionally rouses itself now and then. Sad really.
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #110 on: January 6, 2013, 09:19:07 am »
The atmosphere will only return when the club reconnects with it's roots and core support. Don't expect anything to change whilst the club continues to pander to day-trippers and part-timers to fill the coffers.

No harm to ya but thats bollox. The club needs support from all over and a lot of fans just cant make every game

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« Reply #111 on: January 6, 2013, 09:41:20 am »
Being on the Kop is just like a fucking trip to the theatre for half these clowns nowadays. Beauts eating hotdogs through YNWA ffs, camera phone central, up and down like a fiddlers elbow for an overpriced pie and drink etc. its a joke, wish a few of these whoppers would do one and let the youth take their place.

Problem is the malaise is infectious and can't see a way around it.

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #112 on: January 6, 2013, 10:08:10 am »
No harm to ya but thats bollox. The club needs support from all over and a lot of fans just cant make every game

It's not really. The club, and by that I mean the money men, would much rather 40'000 first timers at every game than 40'000 regulars. The way the ticket sales are for members is proof enough of that. Next season, bar Man Utd and Everton, I will have the same chance as someone who has never been to Anfield to get a ticket for any game, despite the fact I have been attending 5/6 times a season for the last 5 years, and 2/3 games a season before that. It's as much as I can do, but the club want first timers who are spending money on shite in Liverworld.
I wouldn't class myself as the sterotypical day-tripper. But I am one of those who can only make it a few games a season. I rarely buy anything in the shop, I don't have a jester hat, I don't take pictures of Stevie G's arse when he's taking a corner, and I try to sing like fuck regardless of the oppostion, scoreline, or what seat I have.
The statement smig is making is not saying we need 40'000 scousers at each game, just that we need people that are going to make a contribution to the atmosphere, rather than expecting to be blown away by it.
I've been told to keep quiet, sit down and had dirty looks from locals at the derby, in the kop. So people like me who aren't from Liverpool are not solely the problem, and I don't believe smig is saying that either.
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #113 on: January 6, 2013, 10:30:41 am »
its even stranger when newcastle/sunderland  had even higher unemployment than us, another point is i took a break from going the matches when the standing kop went,  my first game back we battered someone 5-0 or something i couldent beieve how shite the atmosphere had become,  but its a whole lot worse now than then.
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #114 on: January 6, 2013, 11:04:09 am »
There are so many problems with the setup of the KOP that the atmosphere will only improve when they have a complete overhaul.

My first point is the issue of standing. I love to stand at the game and this season I have brought all the games in 305 so that I know that I can stand and sing at the game. Last season, when I didnt have the priority I have now (having been to 12 PL games the previous season), I had tickets scattered across the KOP (mainly the sides) and in the corners of the main stand and annie road sat down. For someone who loves to start a song and gets involved in the singing, it was very difficult to do it sat down. Even when the 300's were singing, it was 'awkward' to sing along when you're sat down. How are you meant to belt out 'poor scouser tommy' or 'FOAR' when sat down?? Im sure alot of people can relate to this feeling. It just doesnt 'feel right'.

My solution is a controversial one, but I genuinely believe that safe standing sould be introduced on the KOP. Any STH who doesnt want to stand should be offered a ticket in the main stand once we have re-developed it. I believe this would create a better atmosphere as people are more inclined to join in with singing and get more involved if they are stood up. Its no co-incidence that its the bigger games that create the best atmosphere. UTD, Chelsea, City,Arsenal,Everton & Europe the whole KOP stand and the atmosphere is brilliant. However there are situations in a small games when a referee gives a shit decision or we go down to 10 men and people want to show that 'extra support' to the team that the KOP will all stand up too and the atmosphere gets very good to push the team on. You look at the smaller games when everyone is sat down, the atmosphere is awful.

Another point that links to what others have mentioned is that there should be a 'boys pen' for under 18's on the KOP. Maybe 3000 or so 
but this will get get group of local young lads together and ensure that the future supporters are given the best chance to watch the game. These tickets should be available siimilar to the ticket prices that UTD have for their under 16's. Which brings me to my next point...

I believe we need to introduce staggered ticket prices for under 16's, 16-18's & 18-21's anywhere in the stadium. I know we have the dad/lad pricesat the moment but thsepeople are shunted in the roof of the annie road end above the away fans. Why cant you get an adult/child in the main stand or the KOP (if you feel you want to take your son/daughter there)? I think the club needs to makeit easier for young people to get to the game. A 16 year old student shouldnt be having to pay £45 a game to watch us! How are they meant to afford that? So that people dont take the piss with the system, anyone who has one of these tickets needs to take ID with them toprove that that they are in fact the age they are so you gont get a young looking 22 year old trying to rip the club off.

One last point is the way that the club distributes tickets to 'members' which I believe has a massive effect on the atmosphere. Just my opinion, but there is no way that someone who went to 12 games last season should have the same priority as a new member or someone who just wants to go tothe city,arsenal & chelsea game (for example). My view on the KOP is that its an absolute privillage and honour to sit/stand on it. You should have to 'earn' the right to get a ticket there and if you do you should 'add' something to it. In the 70/80's, people queued up for hours before  the game to get a ticket. Rain or snow. Nowadays someone who has paid £30 for a 'membership' can get a ticket on the KOP. Its wrong.

Last season I had to sit in the main stand and annie road because in the ticket sales, I was unlucky and didnt get connected to the ticket pages for hours due to high demand. So even though I had been to 12 games the previous season,there were people who had never been to a game or only wanted 3 tickets that year sat in the center of the KOP. Now im not saying that those people are not a bigger supporter than me,im sure they love the club as much as we all do, but how are they meant to add to the atmosphere and get the KOP rocking when they dont know any of the songs because they dont go the game often enough??

Ive realised that i've rambled a bit so i'll leave it there.There are so many othere things that could improve the atmosphere but I dont think anything will happen without sorting these things first. Thoughts??
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #115 on: January 6, 2013, 11:33:22 am »


Is right.

Club don't care though.

Would rather have 44,000 day trippers spending money on food, drinks, shite from the store than loyal supporters.

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #116 on: January 6, 2013, 11:37:15 am »
Bullshit

They may be more profitable to them, but the loyal supporters can get a ticket to any game they like.

I can get a ticket to any game I like, and so can anyone else.

Don't blame FSG for the shite atmosphere, its shite fans.
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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #117 on: January 6, 2013, 11:42:45 am »
The club really should care, a good atmosphere at Anfield is worth more than a couple of points a season. When people say the Liverpool used to win games before a ball was kicked it was a combination of incredible players and fans that used to intimidate the opposition.

This season I've heard some of the most pathetic renditions of You'll Never Walk Alone, it's actually depressing.

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #118 on: January 6, 2013, 11:50:25 am »
It's not really. The club, and by that I mean the money men, would much rather 40'000 first timers at every game than 40'000 regulars. The way the ticket sales are for members is proof enough of that. Next season, bar Man Utd and Everton, I will have the same chance as someone who has never been to Anfield to get a ticket for any game, despite the fact I have been attending 5/6 times a season for the last 5 years, and 2/3 games a season before that. It's as much as I can do, but the club want first timers who are spending money on shite in Liverworld.
I wouldn't class myself as the sterotypical day-tripper. But I am one of those who can only make it a few games a season. I rarely buy anything in the shop, I don't have a jester hat, I don't take pictures of Stevie G's arse when he's taking a corner, and I try to sing like fuck regardless of the oppostion, scoreline, or what seat I have.
The statement smig is making is not saying we need 40'000 scousers at each game, just that we need people that are going to make a contribution to the atmosphere, rather than expecting to be blown away by it.I've been told to keep quiet, sit down and had dirty looks from locals at the derby, in the kop. So people like me who aren't from Liverpool are not solely the problem, and I don't believe smig is saying that either.

The essential truth right there I think.

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Re: Fortress Anfield (atmosphere)
« Reply #119 on: January 6, 2013, 12:02:02 pm »
Is right.

Club don't care though.

Would rather have 44,000 day trippers spending money on food, drinks, shite from the store than loyal supporters.

AMF

Yeah that's right, that's why they issue 26,000 season tickets and have issued more to people on the waiting list in the last two years.

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