Author Topic: Home atmosphere (Fortress Anfield?) (Read 418158 times)

Spongebob Redpants · « **Reply #120 on:** January 6, 2013, 12:16:26 pm »

This isn't just a Liverpool thing . You'll hear the same complants from pretty much fans of every club in the PL.

joel · « **Reply #121 on:** January 6, 2013, 12:24:16 pm »

Quote from: Veinticinco de Mayo on January 6, 2013, 12:02:02 pm

Yeah that's right, that's why they issue 26,000 season tickets and have issued more to people on the waiting list in the last two years.

Sometimes I wonder if people even think before hitting he keyboard.

Can see your point.

But seriously... Person A spends £5 per game (ST, member, regular etc). Person B spends £30 per game. Would the club rather have 44,000 person A's or B's?

Jake · « **Reply #122 on:** January 6, 2013, 12:30:49 pm »

Thats a stupid question, would you rather have a fiver or a tenner?

The point is that FSG don't put 44000 first timers in, theres probably a few thousand? And they got the tickets because they wanted them more.

joel · « **Reply #123 on:** January 6, 2013, 12:32:04 pm »

Quote from: Le Jake on January 6, 2013, 12:30:49 pm

Thats a stupid question, would you rather have a fiver or a tenner?

Exactly.

Jake · « **Reply #124 on:** January 6, 2013, 12:44:23 pm »

But you can't use that as a sleight on the owners, because they are not selling out "true, loyal, scouse" fans for a quick buck.

Veinticinco de Mayo · « **Reply #125 on:** January 6, 2013, 12:47:15 pm »

I think you are looking at it wrong Joel as a businessman I would be looking at it as I have a guaranteed £700 up front at the start of the season from those 26,000. They have also pledged an additional sum which is usually at least £300 which I take by DD. these are my best customers. Many of them then spend quite a lot more in the local area on match days how can I offer them products and services that they want so that they will spend a larger proportion of that money with me.

joel · « **Reply #126 on:** January 6, 2013, 12:56:38 pm »

Quote from: Veinticinco de Mayo on January 6, 2013, 12:47:15 pm

I think you are looking at it wrong Joel as a businessman I would be looking at it as I have a guaranteed £700 up front at the start of the season from those 26,000. They have also pledged an additional sum which is usually at least £300 which I take by DD. these are my best customers. Many of them then spend quite a lot more in the local area on match days how can I offer them products and services that they want so that they will spend a larger proportion of that money with me.

Ok I see where you're coming from

Always_A_Red · « **Reply #127 on:** January 6, 2013, 01:00:51 pm »

Its where the 'daytrippers' are allowed to sit which is the problem. The KOP should be a place that is respected. It should be an honour to sit on it and you should feel that you have to 'add' something to the atmosphere by being on it.

How can someone who goes to 1 - 3 games a season contribute to the atmosphere on the KOP when they dont know the songs because they dont go enough?

The problem is there are too many member like this who sit on the KOP waiting for them to 'experience' it, when they should be the ones who are creating the experience

Jake · « **Reply #128 on:** January 6, 2013, 01:07:47 pm »

Yeah and on the way to the match we should sit them at the back of the bus too

swordfishtrombone · « **Reply #129 on:** January 6, 2013, 01:11:23 pm »

The Kop is full of people who know the songs but, for whatever reason, choose not to sing week in week out. Blaming the 'day trippers' is just lazy. There are loads of fans who travel from Ireland and Scandinavia who song their hearts out every week. I think part of the issue is that fans who don't want to have a few bevvies and sing for 90 minutes also don't want to give up their Kop season tickets. We don't make it affordable for young local fans to attend the game, and the experiment with making the 300s a singing section has failed.

Barneylfc∗ · « **Reply #130 on:** January 6, 2013, 01:29:04 pm »

Quote from: Always_A_Red on January 6, 2013, 01:00:51 pm

Its where the 'daytrippers' are allowed to sit which is the problem. The KOP should be a place that is respected. It should be an honour to sit on it and you should feel that you have to 'add' something to the atmosphere by being on it.

How can someone who goes to 1 - 3 games a season contribute to the atmosphere on the KOP when they dont know the songs because they dont go enough?

The problem is there are too many member like this who sit on the KOP waiting for them to 'experience' it, when they should be the ones who are creating the experience

It's not really though. As has been said a thousand times already, and will be said again many thousand times, there is as many regulars who sit on their hands huffing and puffing through games. It's entirely unfair to blame 'daytrippers' on the atmosphere being shit when some of them are told to keep quiet on the Kop at an Everton game by a local mute either side of them. This was Kenny's first home game in charge in 2011. I feel I have an obligation to create an atmosphere regardless of what stand I am in. But I do agree that you shouldnt sit on the Kop if you aren't going to bother making any noise.
It's easy to pick up a song from anywhere. Most of the songs I know I have learnt before attnding a match. On forums, YouTube, websites. Going to a match regular doesnt mean you will know more songs.

Rafalutionary · « **Reply #131 on:** January 6, 2013, 02:15:25 pm »

Quote from: KirkVanHouten on January 6, 2013, 11:42:45 am

The club really should care, a good atmosphere at Anfield is worth more than a couple of points a season. When people say the Liverpool used to win games before a ball was kicked it was a combination of incredible players and fans that used to intimidate the opposition.

This season I've heard some of the most pathetic renditions of You'll Never Walk Alone, it's actually depressing.

This, although what does my head in is the fact that it's no longer played as the players are walking out of the tunnel but after they've done all the Premiership corporate handshaking crap, I don't know why they changed it but people must feel like they have to rush through YNWA so they can finish it and be sat down before kick-off.

Fazak_Red · « **Reply #132 on:** January 6, 2013, 02:17:05 pm »

The problem is young fans are priced out of going the game. The bulk sales they brought in last year have made it even worse.

timmyonions · « **Reply #133 on:** January 6, 2013, 02:40:32 pm »

Not sure how much influence the supporters commitee has but they definately need to push for a couple of thousand seats after the redevelopement for local kids on the cheap ala boys open type idea.

The problem with atmosphere these days is a lot of football supporters expect to be "entertained" for there money and believe they have a "right" to moan during the game because they paid for it.

Supporters in my opinion have a job to do as well as the players.They should support unconditionally during the game and if they want a moan do it in the pub after or on here or whatever.It wont happen but thats my opinion.Through thick and thin as the saying goes.

"Sing when your winning" must be one of the most cringiest,small time chants there is out there but it does apply to the majority of clubs supporters nowadays.

LFC_1981 · « **Reply #134 on:** January 6, 2013, 03:19:45 pm »

Always_A_Red post on the previous post was spot on. Also posts about singing when sat down and getting told to sit down and getting funny looks when you sing are spot on too.

eLToRo · « **Reply #135 on:** January 6, 2013, 03:28:42 pm »

Quote from: Always_A_Red on January 6, 2013, 01:00:51 pm

Its where the 'daytrippers' are allowed to sit which is the problem. The KOP should be a place that is respected. It should be an honour to sit on it and you should feel that you have to 'add' something to the atmosphere by being on it.

How can someone who goes to 1 - 3 games a season contribute to the atmosphere on the KOP when they dont know the songs because they dont go enough?

The problem is there are too many member like this who sit on the KOP waiting for them to 'experience' it, when they should be the ones who are creating the experience

Yeh.You hear too much of people saying 'Oh how was the atmostphere' etc.

Or when I go to a game I usually meet someone who was there for their first time.And they tell me that it was quiet enough but they enjoyed it .

They are an audience for the football but not an audience for the atmosphere.They are part of it and should embrace it and get singing themselves.

At the Carling cup final I saw a family leave with 10 minutes to go in normal time after talking for the whole match.

How do people like that get tickets? Not only did they not sing but they didnt even care enough to sit it out and see if we won.Maybe they had a bus to catch but still why bother?

I only go 2 times a year 3 times if I am lucky and I cant wait every time.

Benimar Col · « **Reply #136 on:** February 10, 2013, 01:20:58 pm »

maybe Monday nights game against WBA knowing we need 3 points will spur the crowd on, with recent results and performances giving us some cheer I'm sure we will hear an improvement

SlowRap · « **Reply #137 on:** February 10, 2013, 02:15:00 pm »

I'd go to every game if I could, but I can't afford it at the moment being a student and that, none of my mates can either.

I've been to every EL game this season in the KOP because those are reasonably priced and there are tickets available. I walk to the game; takes me 40 minutes but I love the feeling of approaching the stadium and getting that buzz.

At the Anzhi game I was there way before kick off soaking up the atmosphere, watching the players warm up, etc. This got a little ruined by a bloke who came in and stood right in front of me he said "hello" to the other bloke who was standing to my left but remained standing right there in front of me. When I said "excuse me mate" he said "You're in my seat, I'm a season ticket holder".

Now I was a bit confused cause you can imagine I triple checked my seat, it being one of my rare outings and such. What happened is he didn't want to go at first so gave up his ticket (which I bought online) then his mate that sits next to him, to his right gave him his ticket, when he came in he just went to his seat where I was and stood in front of me. I just said "sorry mate" and moved to the seat to his right, no problem but if he was polite I wouldn't even had cared. Nonetheless I wasn't gonna let that ruin anything. I was singing YNWA with teary eyes noticed the two blokes to my left weren't singing at all, nor joining in with the chants during the match or anything.

Anyway the point of that story is that the season ticket holders can be an intimidating bunch; especially when they don't sing so make you feel a bit awkward. I'd have loved for one of em to say something like "haven't seen you here before mate" or be a bit more friendly in general.

swoopy · « **Reply #138 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:24:02 pm »

Absolutely wank tonight.. There was me and 5 others singing at the back of the Kop.. Lots of 1/2 & 1&2 scarfs .. Wanker Hats, and Chinese people recording the entire game on their iPads!!!!! Totally shit, its so disappointibg when I am stood their trying my hardest as normal and not many others try... Even the 14 year old lad next to me tried harder than most and picked up songs as they were being sung.. Everything about tonight can fuck off

Tom_B · « **Reply #139 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:26:50 pm »

It's worrying the amount of our supporters who will sit silently, only making noise when we either score, or one of our lads tries something and it doesn't come off.

The groaning is sometimes louder than anything else, and I don't want to just blame it on "daytrippers", but I notice it more and more every time I go. Doesn't help players who are "confidence players" and younger lads, of which we probably have more than most teams.

Wasn't there tonight mind, so can't speak for this evening really.

xavidub · « **Reply #140 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:30:05 pm »

Can we please stop calling it 'Fortress Anfield' and call something more appropriate.

'Rest home for the bewildered' comes to mind

stevieG786 · « **Reply #141 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:30:50 pm »

Gift shop more like

Geppvindh's · « **Reply #142 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:31:58 pm »

The groaning was getting on my nerves, I can't imagine how it must have been playing on the players' minds.

justsean · « **Reply #143 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:32:01 pm »

It was the quietest I've heard it this season tonight. Mind you I'm just judging off the telly but it honestly seemed like you could hear a pin drop.

maher · « **Reply #144 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:36:07 pm »

the silence in our home games this season is really worrying me

Anfield atmosphere was always considered the best in the world

RideTheWalrus · « **Reply #145 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:38:39 pm »

I've been going every home match for 7 years. I have never sung, groaned, etc. I just you know...watch the game...Occasionally talk.

What's so wrong with that? Fuck all. Stop your moaning.

swoopy · « **Reply #146 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:40:05 pm »

Quote from: justsean on February 11, 2013, 10:32:01 pm

It was the quietest I've heard it this season tonight. Mind you I'm just judging off the telly but it honestly seemed like you could hear a pin drop.

Let me put it into perspective.. Wigan at home in November .. I honestly thought I wouldn't witness an atmosphere as bad as that all season ........,.. Tonight was worse

AJL · « **Reply #147 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:40:14 pm »

Absolutely truly shite atmosphere tonight

Not heard Anfield like that in 35 years.

swoopy · « **Reply #148 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:41:16 pm »

Quote from: RideTheWalrus on February 11, 2013, 10:38:39 pm

I've been going every home match for 7 years. I have never sung

That's the problem

AJL · « **Reply #149 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:41:18 pm »

Quote from: RideTheWalrus on February 11, 2013, 10:38:39 pm

I've been going every home match for 7 years. I have never sung, groaned, etc. I just you know...watch the game...Occasionally talk.

What's so wrong with that? Fuck all. Stop your moaning.

There lies the problem

Paullfc95 · « **Reply #150 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:41:36 pm »

Was really bad when you could hear a few hundred WBA fans in the corner going 'shuuushhhh'. Embarrassing.

Prep · « **Reply #151 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:43:15 pm »

Quote from: xavidub on February 11, 2013, 10:30:05 pm

Can we please stop calling it 'Fortress Anfield' and call something more appropriate.

'Rest home for the bewildered' comes to mind

I agree. Please rename the thread, it's embarrassing.

coct3au · « **Reply #152 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:44:20 pm »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/non_fictionreviews/9246028/What-Money-Cant-Buy-by-Michael-Sandel-review.html

"this sort of corrosion of decent behaviour happens when money takes the place of moral values. He believes that the 'marketisation' of existence erodes the more important values which we ought to be trying to protect: dignity, freedom and social solidarity."

Or; charge people £50 for something for long enough, and they'll start to think they're buying an experience, not collaborating in one.

Or; demographics, socionomics, entitlement, stagnation, whatever.

RideTheWalrus · « **Reply #153 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:45:30 pm »

Quote from: AJL on February 11, 2013, 10:41:18 pm

There lies the problem

Why? I have no obligation to sing, so I don't. fucking hell, I don't want to sing so I don't. I pay for my ticket like everybody else, if they want to sing well then fine. But I don't want to.

smig · « **Reply #154 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:46:20 pm »

It won't change until the club stops trying to rake in every Johnny-come-lately. What are people expecting when there's thousands who are only arsed about getting a good shot of Gerrard taking a corner to stick on Facebook or Twitter at half time? Until the club realigns itself with its core support it'll get what it deserves: loads of part-timers who don't have a clue what being a Liverpool supporter is about and stone-cold atmospheres every other week.

Kopite B205 · « **Reply #155 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:47:00 pm »

Absolutely abysmal atmosphere tonight. As a Kop season ticket holder for over 20 years I can honestly say the Kop and atmosphere in general is embarrassingly poor.

Durlmints · « **Reply #156 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:47:51 pm »

Quote from: RideTheWalrus on February 11, 2013, 10:45:30 pm

Why? I have no obligation to sing, so I don't. fucking hell, I don't want to sing so I don't. I pay for my ticket like everybody else, if they want to sing well then fine. But I don't want to.

Do you clap good moves and cheer goals?

swoopy · « **Reply #157 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:48:48 pm »

Quote from: RideTheWalrus on February 11, 2013, 10:45:30 pm

Why? I have no obligation to sing, so I don't. fucking hell, I don't want to sing so I don't. I pay for my ticket like everybody else, if they want to sing well then fine. But I don't want to.

I bet you support England

RideTheWalrus · « **Reply #158 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:51:16 pm »

Quote from: swoopy on February 11, 2013, 10:48:48 pm

I bet you support England

Nope

RideTheWalrus · « **Reply #159 on:** February 11, 2013, 10:51:36 pm »

Quote from: Durlmints on February 11, 2013, 10:47:51 pm

Do you clap good moves and cheer goals?

Yes