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Personally I can't fucking wait.. cup games at Anfield are always that bit more special in my eyes. Nervous but confident. Come on the red men!

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Have to admit Im struggling to get too excited about tomorrow.

When the draw was made, I thought it would be a great tie, and the atmosphere tomorrow would be bouncing. Not so sure anymore.

If we do get through, so what? Honestly, so what? It's only the Carling Cup. Im not wuming, it's the truth. It's a trophy you pay little attention to when you're in the hunt for the top prizes.

Sure Id like to go to Wembley, and sure its been too long without a trophy. Ill want us to win as much as anyone tomorrow, but in all honesty, us winning this trophy would prove what? What would it signify?

I know it's been common recently to say that winning any trophy breeds a winning mentality. But does it? I mean, we won the league cup in 1995 and never won anything else under Evans. We won it under Houllier in 2001 and it spurred us on to win the 2 other cups. We lost in the final in Rafa's first season but still won the champions league and fa cups in successive seasons.

I've argued for a while that the Carling Cup is perfect for a big club starved of success (like Chelsea in 05, United the year after that, us in 01) and I stand by that. But I cant lie to myself, Im struggling to get too excited about tomorrow. In the grand scheme of things it means fuck all really bar a nice day out.

I know the old mantra about "Liverpool exists to win trophies" but thats quite clearly bollocks. I wouldnt swap the 06-09 years under Rafa after the FA Cup win for 30 consecutive league cup successes. We could win the carling cup for the next 4 years, but Kenny will be sacked if we're constantly 6th.

Sorry to be a downer, but thats how I feel at the moment. Think the last 2 results have knocked the stuffing out of me to be honest.
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So long as City win it then 6th place gets UEFA I think.....however, we will beat/draw with them tomorrow.
I believe that if City go through to the final, Cardiff will play in Europe (assuming City will get a CL place, which is not a long stretch). And if something similar happens with the FA Cup (a team below us win it or lose the final to a CL team), we need to finish 5th. And we know the consequences of not doing that that all too well...

I really hope we win tomorrow for the reasons you mentioned earlier; most likely the fate of our season will be defined.
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Can't editt for some reason, but my point is that a trophy is also always a trophy. All clubs want's to win this trophy,  whatever they say after dropping out of it.

The FA-Cup might have higher priority/flashiness/rank , but in the end its all the same and an achievement no matter what somebody say.
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Really hope we go for this from the off, if we try to defend a league from the start I can only see it going one way, and that's not our way.
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Really hope we go for this from the off, if we try to defend a league from the start I can only see it going one way, and that's not our way.

Defend a league? :D

It's true to say that if Shankly had told us to invade Poland we'd be queuing up 10 deep all the way from Anfield to the Pier Head.

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Cant hope to sit back,defend and win the tie.
They'll rip us.

We need to attack,get the early goal.

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Shitting it to be honest.

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The whole "meaningless trophy" thing only comes from shite fans who have been brainwashed by Sky into thinking the only real trophies to win are the League and Champions League because managers of bigger clubs use it as a chance to throw in their squad players and reserves. That's why not as many people are interested in it because there's less appeal in the lower rounds. The players won't see it like that.

Our run hasn't been the easiest, playing Stoke, Chelsea and City away. If we win it, it's a good accomplishment given that we've not won anything for 6 years. If we win it and are still in the FA Cup at that point in time, I'm sure the players will be hungry for more success and another Wembley final which will be good for their motivation in the tournament.

Another good outcome of a win of this trophy is that it's guaranteed European football next season. We're not exactly setting the league alight at the moment so it might be at least a good fall back if we don't finish in the top 6 which is a real possibility, though I don't see it.
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I've been looking forward to this since we won the first leg. Still quietly confident, but as others have said we cannot sit back and try and try and protect the lead. We need to get at them from the start.
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As we won't score I hope we can play some decent defense and maybe get a 0-0 if we are fortunate.

Not feeling confident ahead of this one...............

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C'mon Reds, do us proud!  You can beat Man City, you've already done it once.  Everyone at Anfield make it a night to remember!!!


That's more like it.
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It'd be interesting to look at the Exeter pre-match thread, make a list of names who said they don't care about the Carling Cup and cross-reference it with this thread

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It has been said that Liverpool Football Club exist to win trophies.

I beg to differ.

Trophies exist to be won by Liverpool Football Club.
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Quote from: shanklyboy on April  3, 2006, 12:04:44 AM

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If Spearing isn't fit to play tomorrow then I'd love Kenny to take a punt on Aurelio in the center of the field, sure he may get injured after 10 minutes but I think it is a risk worth taking especially since Adam has been out of form for so long, gives the ball away too many times, is slow and commits fouls at dangerous areas, as far as I remember, Aurelio completed the full 90 minutes against these lot last year at Anfield.

Reina
Kelly Skrtel Agger Enrique
Henderson Aurelio
Maxi Gerrard Downing
Carroll

Would be my preferred team against these lot, may use Adam, Shelvey and Bellamy as impact subs when legs tire in the second half, would be better if we're winning and Bellamy is rested for the Man U game on Saturday.

And Brentie, I will post tomorrow in the other thread why I think no Europa League football this year harmed us, and why qualifying for it next year won't be as bad as you make it out.

Buzzing for this, Come on you Red Men, prove your worth on the pitch and play better than against Bolton, give us the football we all know you're capable of.

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What do you lads think? Is this game more important than the semi final of the Europa League against Atleti two seasons back?
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What do you lads think? Is this game more important than the semi final of the Europa League against Atleti two seasons back?

Completely different.
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What do you lads think? Is this game more important than the semi final of the Europa League against Atleti two seasons back?

I'll admit I was completely arrogant going into both legs of that semi, so didn't get the nervousness. Plus, its now been 6 years rather than 4 since we last won a trophy, and I'm getting a bit obsessively desperate to see Gerrard lift some silverware

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Defend a league? :D

 :D

Can't even say it was a freudian slip, we're nowhere fucking near
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Completely different.

Yeah, circumstances are different, too.

If we can progress tomorrow, I feel it could give us huge momentum from here until the end of the season, not too different from 08/09 when we trounced Madrid in the CL. Guess who we had then four days later. The same lot we've gone this Saturday...

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It has been said that Liverpool Football Club exist to win trophies.

I beg to differ.

Trophies exist to be won by Liverpool Football Club.
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It has been said that Liverpool Football Club exist to win trophies.

I beg to differ.

Trophies exist to be won by Liverpool Football Club.

Nice!

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It has been said that Liverpool Football Club exist to win trophies.

I beg to differ.

Trophies exist to be won by Liverpool Football Club.

sphinx is that you?

« Last Edit: January 25, 2012, 04:39:21 am by Dmode101 »
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i think the fact we will would play Cardiff in the final makes it all the more squeaky bum timey. THIS is the the final in my eyes, also bricking it seeing Aguero's comments that guy just plain scares me, if theres one plus its that Balotelli is out which means there best penalty taker isnt around as i can see this going the distance im going to go for.
2-1 City full time (2-2)  Richards from a corner, Aguero from a Silva pass, Gerrard from a free kick

Penalty's will then follow... and i can see that annoyingly good keeper Hart stopping a few.... shit this is going to be a hard match


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i think the fact we will would play Cardiff in the final makes it all the more squeaky bum timey. THIS is the the final in my eyes, also bricking it seeing Aguero's comments that guy just plain scares me, if theres one plus its that Balotelli is out which means there best penalty taker isnt around as i can see this going the distance im going to go for.
2-1 City full time (2-2)  Richards from a corner, Aguero from a Silva pass, Gerrard from a free kick

Penalty's will then follow... and i can see that annoyingly good keeper Hart stopping a few.... shit this is going to be a hard match
2-1 to city by the end of the game means no penos, just extra time where if we fail to score they go to the final.
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Yeah, circumstances are different, too.

If we can progress tomorrow, I feel it could give us huge momentum from here until the end of the season, not too different from 08/09 when we trounced Madrid in the CL. Guess who we had then four days later. The same lot we've gone this Saturday...

ha i watched those highlights just today Masch, Gerrard, Alonso those were the days

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Quote from: shanklyboy on April  3, 2006, 12:04:44 AM

    IF YOU'RE EVER SKINT ROMAN
          WE'VE GOT 5 EUROS
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Right, so on a more serious note:

                      Reina

Johnson   Skrtel    Agger    Enrique


Downing     Spearing (if fit?)    Maxi


                     Gerrard

                                 Bellamy
               Carroll





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Quote from: shanklyboy on April  3, 2006, 12:04:44 AM

    IF YOU'RE EVER SKINT ROMAN
          WE'VE GOT 5 EUROS
                 * * * * *

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Right, so on a more serious note:

                      Reina

Johnson   Skrtel    Agger    Enrique


Downing     Spearing (if fit?)    Maxi


                     Gerrard

                                 Bellamy
               Carroll
This lineup is suicidal mate, especially against a midfield like City.
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Balotelli is going to be out now right?                       

   City will be something like:
                 
                  Hart
Richards Savic Lescott Clichy
              Milner  Barry
        Nasri    Silva   Johnson 
                  Aguero

I'd like to see us play

                      Reina
              Kelly Skrtel Agger
   Johnson                           Enrique
       Henderson  Spearing  Gerrard 
           
              Downing       
                               Bellamy

 
Absorb pressure and try and hit them on the counter. I reckon Savic will find Bellamy a real handful.
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This lineup is suicidal mate, especially against a midfield like City.

I'm not sure we have a less suicidal lineup, to be fair.  We have no proper holding midfielder.  If not spearing, then Henderson or Adam? Shelvey?  If we load up on too many midfielders, we'll end up having to sit back for 90 minutes and that is no easy task.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2012, 05:34:53 am by bclfc »
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Quote from: shanklyboy on April  3, 2006, 12:04:44 AM

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The point about our centre midfield: to me, the staff are going to play a pivotal role in this game, more than any one player.

It's not as clear-cut as saying play Stevie and Adam in the centre and we're going to get stuffed. We could play them there, give clear instructions to hold, always to provide cover to whichever player on the side of their side of the pitch in our third for the entirety of the game and while we're never going to hit the security that two quality cms can provide we'll do ok if the players follow instructions. If we give these two license to choose their runs though we'll be fucked.

After having a clear gameplan, there's the big detail of training working off the ball as a unit for this particular game, based on the usual movement of the City players which, against the big teams always, we have shown we are decent at.

In terms of being a springboard to success, while it's true to an extent trophies sharpen the hunger in players to consistently get them, it only does it in  players who are of a certain mindset, who are by nature going to try to improve anyway. If you're the type that thinks you've made it after signing for Liverpool, it's not going to do much. The league cup under Evans was a decent example, that squad of players were simply not professional enough to win consistently, the trophy changed nothing.

Still, the main thing is that it's another trophy under our 'honours won' section, about time we added a few.

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I'm not sure we have a less suicidal lineup, to be fair.  We have no proper holding midfielder.  If not spearing, then Henderson or Adam? Shelvey?  If we load up on too many midfielders, we'll end up having to sit back for 90 minutes and that is no easy task.

anything with more than just Spearing in midfield is less suicidal.

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If no Spearing, then it has to be three at the back. One of which will need to step out to fill in at midfield from time to time. 3-4-3. I doubt Bellamy will back up from Saturday.

Pepe
Skrtel Carra Agger
Johnson Gerrard Hendo Enrique
Downing Carroll Kuyt

The folly of not rectifying our shortcomings in midfield  :butt

Agree with everything you've said practically, but I think Bellamy could put in a shift if it looks like impending extra time.

Spearing is going to be very important for the rest of this season so I would hope his minutes would be managed properly if he gets a start.

I like how Kenny called the team out after Bolton because their awareness will hopefully be ultra sharp and we won't concede early. (fingers crossed)

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Shitting it to be honest.

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Spoiler; Bellamy wont start, he did start a game few days ago and haven't started two games in a row for......years? :(
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Nervous about tonight because, simply put, we are a jekyll and hyde team right now and I haven't got a fucking clue which one is going to turn up.

One thing I will say is that Spearing MUST play tonight if we are to have any chance. When he went off in the first leg we completely changed mindset and went defensive, and without him in the middle protecting the centrebacks there is a feeding ground for Nasri, Aguero and Silva to drop deep and kill us.

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People are talking so much about Spearing!

Going to throw in a card here;

Carroll must play. I can already see the headlines;

"Liverpool scapegoat sinks City as LFC moves into the finals"


He starts of slowly, but starts to mash them after 15 mins. First in the 26min, second in the 44th.

Remember where you did read it first.


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