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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #800 on: February 7, 2009, 09:29:16 pm »
haha. The league is fixed and corrupt according to red cafe. LMFAO ;D

Haaaaa thats rich comeing from them cheating c*nts.

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #801 on: February 7, 2009, 09:29:28 pm »
This win was so important on so many levels. Man Utd play 3 league games before we play out next one on the 22nd again Man City.

Away to West Ham tomorow, then home games to Fulham and Blackburn.

This could mean they would be 8 points clear by then. Lets hope they drop points and we're still in with a shout come the end of the month.

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #802 on: February 7, 2009, 09:29:38 pm »
:lmao that's brilliant
thought you wasn't going to read through the thread  ;)

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #803 on: February 7, 2009, 09:30:09 pm »
Lucas is shit

Steven Gerrard saved us again

Dirk Kuyt should be dropped and yossi isn't worthy of a place

Our squad is shite

in short, same old, same old  ;D
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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #804 on: February 7, 2009, 09:30:25 pm »
haha. The league is fixed and corrupt according to red cafe. LMFAO ;D

Why are they talking that nonsense?  Not as if we got dodgy decisions going our way.  If it was fixed and corrupt then they've been the beneficiaries down the years.

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #805 on: February 7, 2009, 09:30:29 pm »
I've calmed down now and can enjoy the victory. I think we should all jack in Setanta though. Those fuckers should feel the backlash of the baised, evil shite they dished up tonight. I for one will cancel it. I'm not giving any of my money to them.

Sure you will...until the next Liverpool game is on Setanta.

As for anyone slagging off Rafa fuck off and support Chelsea you horrible c*nts


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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #806 on: February 7, 2009, 09:30:48 pm »
haha. The league is fixed and corrupt according to red cafe. LMFAO ;D

They must be joking? For what exactly? The ref was biased in favour for Portsmouth...
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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #807 on: February 7, 2009, 09:31:57 pm »
Unfortunately, he is too intelligent for the media circus that is Setanta.


That's the thing all these people with their expert analysis haven't got a clue. There's no comparison between any of them on whatever tv or radio station, paper or magazine. He's the manager of Liverpool Football Club who happens to be top of the league so surely he's getting it right.

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #808 on: February 7, 2009, 09:32:23 pm »
Tear It Up!

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #809 on: February 7, 2009, 09:33:17 pm »
Tim Sherwood is a complete fucking bellend mingebag.

That is all.

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #810 on: February 7, 2009, 09:33:28 pm »
Unfortunately, he is too intelligent for the media circus that is Setanta.

Haven't scanned the whole thread so apologies if someone has already mentioned this. Cracking comment from Rafa talking to the interviewer from setanta before the game. The guy is grilling him on team selection and Rafa replies that the players who played on Wed are very tired. Interviewer asks why Carra who played on Wed is in the team yet Torres is not. Rafa replies "Anyone who knows about football can tell you a striker runs more in a game than a centre back". I was in stitches at that point. Of course Sherwood then pipes up with "I'm not buying that". Of course not Timothy - now back to the home until we come and collect you for next weeks broadcast.
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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #811 on: February 7, 2009, 09:34:10 pm »
I was whinging when we were 2-1 down.

I was wrong.

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #812 on: February 7, 2009, 09:34:17 pm »
I've calmed down now and can enjoy the victory. I think we should all jack in Setanta though. Those fuckers should feel the backlash of the baised, evil shite they dished up tonight. I for one will cancel it. I'm not giving any of my money to them. Shower of cunnts. They can stick Tim Sherwood up Craig Burley's arse.....though they'll probably both like that.

Well done Rafa. Fuck the doubters. What do they know? Fuck all. Top of the league in February. Marvellous.


Hear, hear! What a bunch of twats...as for Macca...don't get me started.

btw anyone know off hand how many league games we've won when on Setanta? This is the only one I can think of.
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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #813 on: February 7, 2009, 09:34:51 pm »
haha. The league is fixed and corrupt according to red cafe. LMFAO ;D
It might be. lol. How many of you have seen the Blackburn-Villa game? That charlie uniform november tango Bennett served the game to Villa on a platter...

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #814 on: February 7, 2009, 09:34:54 pm »
They must be joking? For what exactly? The ref was biased in favour for Portsmouth...

they wanted a Portsmouth corner just before our goal. The incident where webb got the book out

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #815 on: February 7, 2009, 09:34:59 pm »
Absolute masterpiece in tactics by Rafa.

That man has cojones the size of church bells.

Steady now, yes he does take the original risk but by and large he's conservative by nature and I think most rational people will agree on that.

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #816 on: February 7, 2009, 09:35:16 pm »
This win was so important on so many levels. Man Utd play 3 league games before we play out next one on the 22nd again Man City.

Away to West Ham tomorow, then home games to Fulham and Blackburn.

This could mean they would be 8 points clear by then. Lets hope they drop points and we're still in with a shout come the end of the month.

I would really hope for them dropping points cause after Blackburn they got Pompey and Newcastle... pretty easy ones..

If they won´t drop points against West Ham and Fulham I fear they will win everything until the big game...
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« Reply #817 on: February 7, 2009, 09:35:33 pm »
What a line-up, what a win. Seriously, who else would have the guts to do that? No-one.

I am loving this, all them bitter backstabbers are so quiet tonight! :wave

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #818 on: February 7, 2009, 09:36:20 pm »

btw anyone know off hand how many league games we've won when on Setanta? This is the only one I can think of.

West Brom and Sunderland come to mind straight off. Might be more.
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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #819 on: February 7, 2009, 09:37:11 pm »
they wanted a Portsmouth corner just before our goal. The incident where webb got the book out

The first goal of Pompey was offside. The freekick before their second never in life a freekick... They must be dreaming...
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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #820 on: February 7, 2009, 09:37:41 pm »
Don't know if anyone else has picked up on these - 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/p9ZK99p4PyyZNiCv5URC

Absolutely brilliant - this one is a comparison between Carra and Campbell...



I was just reading about them in today's Guardian and was gonna mention it on here.

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Re: Benitez is a tough m*therf*cker
« Reply #821 on: February 7, 2009, 09:37:47 pm »
What a line-up, what a win. Seriously, who else would have the guts to do that? No-one.

I am loving this, all them bitter backstabbers are so quiet tonight! :wave

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Re: Benitez is a tough m*therf*cker
« Reply #822 on: February 7, 2009, 09:38:30 pm »
He maybe didnt have the guts to play the right team from the start.

Maybe he had more information on certain individuals than we did.
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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #823 on: February 7, 2009, 09:38:42 pm »
http://www.skysports.com/football/match_report/0,19764,11065_3004690,00.html

Looks more like a 9 on that picture.

From where Torres would be lookin at it.

It's a right fucking shame that we've got the best striker in the world but he's dyslexic! I just hope he scores a few tah-trciks before the end of the season!    :D
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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #824 on: February 7, 2009, 09:40:03 pm »
Rafa Benitez: life after playing football

In 1986, at the age of twenty six, Benítez returned to Real Madrid and joined the club’s coaching staff. At the start of the 1986-87 season he was appointed coach of Castilla B. With this team he won two league titles in 1987 and 1989. He won a third league title with Real Madrid Youth B in 1990. Halfway through the 1990-91 season he succeeded José Antonio Camacho as the coach of the Real Madrid U-19s. With this team he won the Spain U-19 Cup in 1991 and 1993, beating FC Barcelona in both finals. In 1993 the team completed a double when they also won the national U-19 league. While at Real, Benítez also gained his coaching certificate in 1989 and in the summer of 1990 he taught at a football camp at UC Davis in California.

During the 1992-93 season Benítez also worked as an assistant coach to Mariano García Remón at Real Madrid B. After his success with the U-19s, Benítez then succeeded García Remón at the start of the 1993-94 season. Real Madrid B were then playing in the Segunda División and on September 4 1993 he made his debut as a Segunda División manager with a 3-1 over Hércules CF. In March 1994 he became assistant manager to Vicente Del Bosque with the senior Real Madrid team before returning to coach Real Madrid B for the 1994-95 season.[4]

Tim sherwood :Life after playing Football
Before joining the coaching staff at Spurs Sherwood was a pundit for Setanta Sports on their Premier League coverage. Since 2005 has run Icon Magazine with Jamie Redknapp and Louise Redknapp, a role he will maintain alongside his responsibilities at White Hart Lane.

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #825 on: February 7, 2009, 09:41:37 pm »
Can anyone work out sherwoods agenda? I don't understand why he apparently hates us and rafa especially? has been slagging us for weeks.

I tell you what, it'll be fucking sweet if we do win the league to ram it up the arse of those thick fuckers who constantly slag us off.

Anyway, 3 points. Just. Crack on till next week.

up the hammers and all that.

my take on the whole negative punditry is not that they hate Lliverpool the team but really dislike Rafa and the basis for this is because they think he styles himself as this tactical genius which gets up their noses. so they accuse him of over complicating things, making baffling decisions etc

i find that the british media/ex players/managers etc seem to have this mistrust of foreign managers and their emphasis on tactical play. That is why they love Martin O'Neil and the Villa because his team is predominantly english and they play in a very straightforward way.

if you add to the fact that Rafa doesn't give copy for the papers he's never going to be over popular.

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #826 on: February 7, 2009, 09:41:45 pm »
Can't remember a match in which I had such a roller coaster of emotions throughout. Even now I can't believe the ending!

Def Agree general consensus in match thread

Pre Match- WTF is rafa thinking he is insane we need a result or he is gonna get roasted.
15 Min in- Rafa is a genius we are playing amazing we are gonna twat them.
30 Min in- Pompey pressing us knew the formation and team changes were gonna kill us terrible.
Half Time- We are tied to some shite house sunday squad this team selection was too much rafa the stubborn c*nt.
55th Min in- Really dirk? we want torres not that shite industry worker.
60 min in- Babel is shite
62 min in- Knew this team selection was gonna kill us, we are not a title winning squad. Babel to the guillotine.
70 Min in- Aurelio! We can do this great decision to put on kuyt one more.
75 Min in- RAFA OUT!!! We are barely worthy of relegation fodder.
85th Min in- Dirk is a GODDD i love that man masterstoke by the genius rafa.
91st Min- TORRES....We are CHAMPIONS!!!! Rafa is GOD.

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Re: Benitez is a tough m*therf*cker
« Reply #827 on: February 7, 2009, 09:41:58 pm »
to be honest, I wasn't exactly thrilled with Rafa Benitez in the 84th minute or so when it wasn't looking good at all. Great comeback though! Never forget this one.

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Re: Benitez is a tough m*therf*cker
« Reply #828 on: February 7, 2009, 09:42:06 pm »
no one will give  him any credit for the starting line up .

 the 3 subs came on and changed it and a certain forward got the winner

thats all everyone will remember, saying he got out of jail.

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« Reply #829 on: February 7, 2009, 09:42:41 pm »
Maybe he had more information on certain individuals than we did.

You would have thought people got that through their skulls after Gerrards injury and the fact Torres has broken down 2 or 3 times this season when being rushed back from injuries.
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« Reply #830 on: February 7, 2009, 09:43:44 pm »
Would you have said there was never a doubt if the game had finished five minutes earlier?
But then it would have only been 85 minutes and it wouldn't have been a regulation match for fucks sake! Some people!   ::)
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« Reply #831 on: February 7, 2009, 09:43:55 pm »
Haven't scanned the whole thread so apologies if someone has already mentioned this. Cracking comment from Rafa talking to the interviewer from setanta before the game. The guy is grilling him on team selection and Rafa replies that the players who played on Wed are very tired. Interviewer asks why Carra who played on Wed is in the team yet Torres is not. Rafa replies "Anyone who knows about football can tell you a striker runs more in a game than a centre back". I was in stitches at that point. Of course Sherwood then pipes up with "I'm not buying that". Of course not Timothy - now back to the home until we come and collect you for next weeks broadcast.

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« Reply #832 on: February 7, 2009, 09:44:11 pm »
Well that was an interesting game, to say the least. Handy one for me because this match featured a number of familiar Benitez media tropes, aspects of our recent games and a whole lot of little tactical and mental issues, both good and bad, that are standing out this season, some of which are permanent ‘issues’ that simply reflect Rafa’s management ‘flavour’, namely things that Rafa will never change...you either like them or you don’t.

Don’t expect a neat little conclusion to all the strands, I want to look at a lot of little separate things here and won’t be trying to weave all, or even many, of them together.

Team Selection

Start with the obvious. Firstly, I think Rafa would rather have played a line up more like this in the cup games. I’m sure he would have against ‘lesser’ opposition but the fact is that Everton are one of 4 other domestic sides where we have to play our strongest side. Only in the Carling Cup could Rafa get away with resting players against Everton.

The team set up in a 3-5-2 variant, in my view a very clever move. This is a formation designed to work against a more traditional 4-4-2 which has gone out of fashion precisely because that kind of 4-4-2 is a rarity these days. Pompey’s line up was as traditional a 4-4-2 as I’ve seen in a long time.

For most of the first half it was a great example of what happens when these formations meet. Not much midfield battle, two strikers suffocated by the three CBs, and wing-backs dominating the extra space up wide while the support strikers have acres of space and the tactical freedom to go where they want.

In spells I thought we played some of the best football we have this season, at least in the build up play. The quick one touch passing through the middle is something I’d like to see a lot more of from us. It’s interesting that it sometimes takes us to play something of a second string team (but one filled with decent technical players) to see the kind of play we’re capable of. I used to think it was more a problem with Gerrard, but he’s adapted well. It’s perhaps more a case of the rest of the team consistently stepping up and realising that this is how we should play regardless of who’s in the side. Don’t stop passing and moving (and pressing) in order to try and work in Torres/Gerrard/Alonso all the time.

On the other hand, it was also perfect critic fuel: “Rafa starts with 6!! Defenders!,” “Torres on the bench!,” “Alonso should have started, or if not come on sooner, but when does come on it has to be after Torres,” etc etc

Typical hindsight punditry really. Lack of cutting edge is ascribed to the formation/defenders, no mention that in terms of team play it was a very coherent first half. Second half changes are then put down to Pompey having more spirit, rather than what I thought was a subtle change of shape, with Crouch dropping consistently deeper making more of a 4-5-1...the very formation that led to 3-5-2 becoming a rarity.

This brings us neatly to:

Substitions

Rafa is unfairly maligned for his substitutions. This is very much one of those flavour things. If you want a manager who appears proactive (IE throws strikers on...actually a move that is not at all proactive, and generally gives me confidence when opposing managers do to us, I personally think it’s a sign of desperation. To paraphrase the genius Earl from Tremors: “Damn it Val, throwing strikers on isn’t a plan, it’s what you do when a plan fails...”) then Rafa is not your man. If you want a manager who is capable of identifying ways to subtly change the pattern of play while (I’m sure) timing his subs due to some analysis suggesting that this is when they’ll make the most impact, then Rafa’s your man every time.

In short, Adams went 4-5-1, Rafa does so shortly after and has the faith that our 4-5-1 is superior. Torres looked fit and fresh and (key for me) unselfish with his cameo, Alonso steadied the ship and looked back on form while Kuyt provided the industry he always does plus some very crisp finishing. Again this is a flavour issue.

Of course we’ll never play as well as we can with our best players all on form, but is a fresh 2nd 11 (first half here) really so much worse than a tired 1st 11 (Everton FA Cup) that we can’t play the second string, ever? Surely it’s just as valid to argue that the freshness, sharpness and sheer impact that the three subs made shows that while, yes, we perhaps rely on these players too much, we rely on these players when they are fit and on form. In that state we can score 2 in 10 minutes. Tired, overplayed and kicked from the start they can struggle at least as badly as any perceived 2nd string we could play.

Media Tropes

The above is caviar on the media blini from what I can make out (or rather the chips on their pizza – they’re not that classy after all) as it gives the media a great opportunity to bash Rafa regardless. Against Everton, we have his wisdom at playing his stars openly questioned. Against Pompey, they all should have started. Had we played a second string in the FA Cup we would've course have had him hung drawn and quartered for the defeat, and had his respect for the competition called into question, which has of course laughably happened against Marseilles in the CL as well as Barnsley in the FA cup, among many others.

It must be nice to be a media pundit. Simply criticise whatever is being done today, even if that’s exactly what you suggested he should do yesterday, and offer the Godlike Ferguson as the gold standard against which all manegerial decisions are measured, and like a true religious fundamentalist, simply ignore all the various contradictions and hypocrisies this forces you to indulge in. Cover these up instead by repeating the point only louder and with added sarcastic ‘I told you so’ or ‘Oh that Rafa’ type remarks if your already nauseating presenting skills stretch to that level of wit based subtlety.

Mind you, that’s worthy of a subheading because so many of our fans do it as well:

The Gold-Standard of management

Everything we do is compared unfavourably to Fungus, by our own fans almost as much as the media. Why is this? Why should we be expected to be the same as Man Utd? People forget that they are not the perfect team and manager. Fungus struggles with the CL, for example, make Rafa’s coming to grips with the Premier League seem like an absolute cakewalk. He’s been like a duck to water in the Prem compared to Fergie’s efforts in Europe (when the win was almost papering over the cracks, it’s only in the last few seasons that they’ve actually looked the real deal in the CL, seasons in which Queiroz was clearly a huge tactical influence).

So firstly it’s wrong because no team is the be all and end all, never has been, never will be. I don’t want to be more like Man Utd or Arsenal, I want us to be ourselves at the highest level we can possibly be. Our dominance was built on difference, more than anything else our unique willingness to play the continental style.

In that respect I think the cycle’s come back...once again we are seeking to play a more continental style than our rivals and while it’s yet to truly click in the league (though it can)  our European status is almost back to what it was in our heyday...something all to readily overlooked by some of our fans, not least because it’s this, not domestic titles, that truly sets us apart as the dominant English team.

Mainly though, it’s wrong because it’s just plain wrong. Apparently Ferguson would never make so many changes for a game like today’s. In reality, Ferguson rotates massively, and his team has become better for embracing this policy. Frighteningly good in fact, and the reason for this is not Rooney et al, but how effective Fletcher et all are when called upon, and how happy they are when they are out of the side...which I’ve no doubt is helped by the relative lack of media attention on say, Tevez getting games as opposed to Keane.

Even more annoying is that when the Fergie doesn’t rotate myth is challenged (which happens occasionally) the response will shift oh so quickly into ‘but when he rotates he does it with quality’. Now, OK, there’s an argument there, but either his methods are the gold standard or they aren’t. Again it’s have-your-cake-and-eat-it punditry. When Benitez rotates he’s wrong because Fergie doesn’t do it, when Fergie does it he’s right because he has better players. I don’t see the logic in saying we need to rotate our best players that we supposedly rely on more less...surely in that case the risk of injury is even higher for us and therefore we need more, rather than less, rotation of our stars?

Then again, this of course ignores the crowning glory of this particular bit of stupidity because Rafa doesn’t rotate his best players. Never has. Plays them more often than Man Utd (based on the last couple of seasons) in fact. Sheesh.

Same goes for formation. Apparently Fergie never changes his formation from game to game. That must come as something of a shock to his players who’ve lined up in quite a number of variants of 4-5-1/4-4-2. I’d say they’re second only to us in terms of tactical flexibility both in game and in the starting lineups they pick.

This also flows nicely into:

Refereeing Decisions

If has been a noticable effect from Rafa's justified attack then it's not been in our favour. If anything I feel we've had a number of harsh decisions go against us recently, and more than our fair share all season (the Stoke non goal for example). It's not an excuse, as we should have won many of the games regardless, but I think it is an important factor especially when we (inevitably) compare ourselves to Man Utd. While I've no doubt that 'bigger' teams in general (though I strongly believe any club with enough fans and especially media profile, Spurs for example, benefit too) do get decisions, I don't think any team benefits like Man Utd. Season after season they get more penalties given, less given against, and generally seem to get the rub of the green a lot more often. Taking that Stoke game as an example, we have a perfect goal written off dubiously, Man Utd get a dubious penalty in their favour and win 5-0 in exactly the kind of game that is easy if you score early and a nightmare if you don't.

Torres and Ronaldo is another great comparison. Torres simply does not win many fouls for us, and no penalties I can remember, despite being clear with Ronaldo (I would think) as the most hacked at player in the league. Ronaldo wins penalties, fouls, and gets opponents booked in almost every game. Torres also picks up a lot more yellow cards for a lot less sin, and lets not even mention Rooney.

Sadly, there's not much we can do about this other than enjoy the extra sweetness when we do win, but I do think it's a factor, especially in winning number 19...big decisions will be easier to come by if we're seen as a team that revel in our over-dog status. Thought it was worth a mention though, after that ridiculous 'tale of two offsides' which could have seen us (and Rafa) hung out to dry, like Lucas' red did.

Still, this does mean that a win at Old Trafford would then give a massive boost to our...

Mentality

Today showed both our strengths and frailties very clearly. Incredible guts and determination to win the game, complete lack of self belief in making tactical dominance count for goals. First half showed an irony for me, in that our best players can actually be a hindrance to our best football at times (none of Agger, Alonso, Gerrard or Torres seem excel as one might expect playing quick one-touch possession stuff, especially at pace through the middle, while all excel at finding the killer pass/run/move which almost eliminates team play) those same players are of course the ones who have the killer instinct in abundance which can seem so lacking from the otherwise often high quality all round play from the likes of Aurelio, Babel, Mascherano, Kuyt, Lucas, Arbeloa and Skrtel.

I say ironic because for me the first half had a lot of the team play (and general sense of team over individual ethic) that we’ve been missing, while the second half showed the deadliness we lack when key players are out, even though these players can sometimes be as damaging to our team football as an off form Kuyt.

Torres

Delighted with his cameo today, to follow on from above what I really liked is that he looked first to hold up and play in rather than turn for goal. He’s been doing the latter far too often, and defenders are wiser to it, while the former is something vital to making our team play.

So many valid criticisms of our play (full backs fully back, holding mids gripping to tightly, too little movement) can at least partially be put down to the team’s and Torres’ unpleasant habit of always looking for the first time ball in behind, or to his feet for him to turn and be in on goal. This is great on the break, but a hindrance against the bus-parkers. He did this almost all game against Everton to no effect. 2 of the very, very few times he held up play properly, at around the 70min mark when he was already knackered and way off his best, and we suddenly had both holding mids near the ‘D’ area and both fullbacks in great overlapping positions, and made decent chances from both moves.

He did that from the off today and it was devastating. Also noticable how many more of his goals this season have been from ‘poacher’ type positions, exactly the kind of positions he can get into more regularly by playing it back/wide and then making his run into the box. If he keeps doing this then defenders will adapt, and in adapting he will then find it easier to do his favourite trick of receiving and turning or just running in behind. He has the quality to do both as well as anyone, he has the hamstrings to preserve as motivation for slightly adapting his game, and if he can achieve this balance of Drogba play and Anelka play he can be one of the best there’s ever been. There’s nothing stopping him. Take this cameo and bottle it Nando because in my view you playing like that is almost impossible to defend against, and ties our whole team together with a frightening degree of potential.

Ngog

Just a few words on this lad. For me he looks like a very raw Torres. He’s not done much so far but the little bits and pieces he has showed excite me. A great example would be a perfect run in behind and instant pass to an onrushing Aurelio when a different striker might have gone himself. Yes he’s raw, but his decision making and coolness under pressure are very hard things to teach, and are almost as good as I’ve seen in a striker his age. Makes his mind up instantly and in doing that catches defenders cold, the Aurelio chance was a great example.

This also highlights another gripe I have with some of our fans at the moment, this division of all players into good/shite as neat categories. Ngog has been placed in the shite-box, but I personally suspect that if Nemeth shows the same level of ability in his first few chances it will be hyped as the birth of a superstar.

Of course, it also has to be Nemeth Versus Ngog, like Lucas Vs Alonso or Spearing, it doesn’t seem to occur to many that on paper Nemeth and Ngog looks like the perfect modern strike-partnership (One creative, crafty and all brains, the other pacy, physical yet both capable of large aspects of the others game, Nemeth is good with his back to goal, Ngog has some very clever passing and positioning in his locker).

In short, he excites me and could be a major bargain at £1.5million.

Dosenna & Babel

I’ll finish on these two, lumped together because I want to say the same for both of them. Neither is at their best in an attacking sense just now. Both seem lacking that little bit extra that comes from a confidence injection, basically both need a telling assist or goal and I think they could really build on it. However, both have also worked really hard recently. Both seem more tactically aware. Both seem to be doing the job asked of them.

Dosenna in particular, had he started on this kind of form, would be receiving massive plaudits and a lot of excitement about the future. The juries still out on both, and as it stands both could turn out as great arguments for or against Benitez, namely that players have a hard time with him but on the other hand those who can handle it tend to keep on improving in a way that players at other clubs very rarely do. For a final time it’s a flavour thing...in this respect Rafa’s a bit like the training half of ‘Full Metal Jacket’. He can turn softies like private Joker into lethal murderers, he can turn lethal snipers like private Pile into suicidal basket cases.

There’s plenty of food for thought here so fire away!
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Re: Benitez is a tough m*therf*cker
« Reply #833 on: February 7, 2009, 09:44:29 pm »
no one will give  him any credit for the starting line up .


Still wondering how some people think he would leave out a 100% fit Torres and Alonso.
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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #834 on: February 7, 2009, 09:44:43 pm »
I was just reading about them in today's Guardian and was gonna mention it on here.

Really good feature, could go through those for hours

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Re: Reflections on Pompey and More
« Reply #835 on: February 7, 2009, 09:45:41 pm »
Good post but this ought to go in the Pompey post match thread.

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #836 on: February 7, 2009, 09:45:44 pm »
Phew !!!

Thats all Im saying ............

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #837 on: February 7, 2009, 09:45:56 pm »
Maybe we wont win the title but as long as we challenge and improve then I'm happy.

I was whinging at 2-1 down, a few people on here in the in game thread were saying its not over yet, everyone who was talking shit can learn from that- including myself.

Was reading the match report from the 2005 CL semi final at Anfield this week- just look at the team sheet and if you dont think Rafa has improved things.  Now Real and AC Milan covet our players instead of going to Bolton for a pound.

I was wrong tonight Rafa, was fucked off because I thought we'd throw our title challenge  away and I have to listen to all the Man u loving twats circle wank about Fergies fucking mind games.


Good work tonight boss. And Kuyt and Benny too.


 

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #838 on: February 7, 2009, 09:46:18 pm »
Lucas is shit

Steven Gerrard saved us again

Dirk Kuyt should be dropped and yossi isn't worthy of a place

Our squad is shite

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Re: Portsmouth 2-3 Liverpool - We are still fighting
« Reply #839 on: February 7, 2009, 09:46:28 pm »
haha. The league is fixed and corrupt according to red cafe. LMFAO ;D

Never thought I'd say this about United fans but they had a lot more sensible and level headed fans posting about the  Pompey game on there than a lot of the whoppers on here. Some of them even gave us credit, I was quite surprised actually.

As for anyone slagging off Rafa fuck off and support Chelsea you horrible c*nts