Topic: FT Man United 1 vs Liverpool 1 - (Milner p 27'; Ibrahimovic 84')

[Crosby Nick]

That's what I thought. I was wondering what calculation he used because my calculation didn't actually prove daming for utd. Perhaps I worked it out wrong

I posted it as I was getting off the train so was all a bit rushed so no great working behind.  My thoughts were that given we play so many more passes per game than them, is it really such a surprise that we play a (very) few more long passes in amongst that 60 extra?

The stat has been doing the rounds, presumably to try and discredit Klopp and his long ball comments.  To my mind it's just highlighted they play a greater percentage of long balls.

That said I haven't really done the research to back that up so I could well be talking bollocks again.

[NarutoReds]

Klopp to BBC Sport:
"In the end period of the game when United started playing long balls to
Marouane Fellaini and Zlatan Ibrahimovic after 80 minutes of high
intense football, IT IS REALLY HARD. They play long balls, it was a wild game..."
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~ Jurgen Klopp ~
 
** I believe our manager will find a way, and he certainly will solve it as he seemed really really stressing it out after the game.
There must be some antidotes out there to counteract this sick fuckin long balls isnt it?

[Caligula?]

Klopp to BBC Sport:
"In the end period of the game when United started playing long balls to
Marouane Fellaini and Zlatan Ibrahimovic after 80 minutes of high
intense football, IT IS REALLY HARD. They play long balls, it was a wild game..."
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~ Jurgen Klopp ~
 
** I believe our manager will find a way, and he certainly will solve it as he seemed really really stressing it out after the game.
There must be some antidotes out there to counteract this sick fuckin long balls isnt it?

There is an antidote, it's called killing the game off and not allowing inferior opposition to adopt that tactic late on to try and nick an equaliser.

[jooneyisdagod]

Statistics on the Premier League's official website show that Klopp's men have played 1,417 long balls to 1,346 for Mourinho's this season. That equates to 3.38 more per game.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ng-balls-than-manchester-united-a7529551.html

 

Long balls are defined there purely in terms of distance. It makes no difference between a hoof to a target man and a measured 40 metre through ball. At least, that's as far as I'm aware of how those long ball stats are calculated.

[exilescouse]

Oh yes it was offside! Not only that, but the original throw-in from Valencia was a foul throw. Even before the pass back up the line to Valencia, who was clearly in an off-side position after taking the throw-in, I was screaming "Foul throw!" at the TV. How is it that professional footballers earning thousands of pounds a week are not capable of taking a proper throw-in?!!? Didn't anyone else notice this, only the subsequent off-side? In either case, surely we are entitled to expect the officials to properly officiate the game?!!?

Yes. I called it a foul throw at the time.

[mrantarctica]

Long balls are defined there purely in terms of distance. It makes no difference between a hoof to a target man and a measured 40 metre through ball. At least, that's as far as I'm aware of how those long ball stats are calculated.

We have played 1412 long balls from 12586 total passes this season (11.2% of our passes are long balls). Man Utd have played 1346 out of 11350 passes this season (11.9%). As a proportion, they indisputably play more but not by much overall.

Klopp was referring to what happened against us in the last half hour, for which they did play a lot of long passes, more so than usual.

[JackWard33]

There is an antidote, it's called killing the game off and not allowing inferior opposition to adopt that tactic late on to try and nick an equaliser.

Couldn't agree more. We dropped off and tried to play on the counter - which is fine as an idea - but this team doesn't seem great at either a) shelling or b) counter attacking so it wasn't playing to our strengths. We played much better after they equalised!
Long balls can always be criticised because its not aesthetic but not only was it the right thing for them to do given the pattern of the game (they weren't creating anything) ; it also worked so its pretty hard to find fault with it

[orn-free-tada]

I know it's nothing too important, but there was a chant going to the tune of ' This Girl' by Kungs. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y6Nne8RvaA     the instrumental / trumpet bit)

Was it the man U fans or Liverpool fans doing this? I couldn't tell from the stream I had ...

[harryc]

I know it's nothing too important, but there was a chant going to the tune of ' This Girl' by Kungs. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y6Nne8RvaA     the instrumental / trumpet bit)

Was it the man U fans or Liverpool fans doing this? I couldn't tell from the stream I had ...

Gini Wijnaldum song.

[orn-free-tada]

^^

Very catchy. Could be mistaken, but I don't remember anyone other team having a chant to this tune.... ( Glad it's ours )

[007.lankyguy]

Surprised there hasn't been more discussion of the goal we conceeded - usually people are all over our mistakes on here
Not sure Rooney should get his dinked cross in that easily and Fellanis header is totally free in the six yard box - shouldn't klavan be challenging once lovren has pulled across or has he got two men? Also I haven't watched it back properly but isn't Mignolet doing his rooted to the line thing as the ball comes across?
I'm open to it being nobodies fault but it all seemed very easy / uncontested for them

The goal's largely down to late reactions to be honest. Milner isn't close enough to the touchline initially, which means he struggles to recover to block the first cross (even though Valencia is offside) and Trent should delay Rooney and then show him inside to Lallana but after that it's pretty much entirely about players not reacting quickly enough. Klavan should get across to Fellaini much quicker than he does, Wijnaldum reacts to the loose ball much later than Valencia and Milner should be getting out to Ibrahimovic before the ball is played. That's players not being alert enough.

[didi]

It was a foul throw too from Valencia  too

[meady1981]

Game was last Sunday lads