Topic: The Nathaniel Clyne Experience

[Suareznumber7]

Where is it reported he had pain killing injection ?

According to Pearce played with pain killing injections!

Tough cookie.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Probably, in fact, definetly, his worst game for us. Reports of playing through injury and that, may or may not be true, but regardless, he was shockingly bad. Though not to detract or make excuses for him, but who did have a good 90 minutes yesterday.

There are those in this team who are due, even allowed a bad game and he is one of them, though as sad as it is - those who can be afforded and those who have delivered far too may poor performances, all chose to do so on the same day.


Onwards and upwards

I agree. Usually if one player has an off day, everyone else can compensate. Days like yesterday when almost everyone has a stinker, lead to results like we got.

I'm more concerned that he was selected despite having pain injections. Even if Jürgen believed he could play through, by half time it was clear he was struggling and TAA should have been available knowing this to be a possibility. Lots of cock-ups resulted in yesterday's mess.

[penga]

Saw Clyney is the highest chance creating fullback in the PL I think, near Rose, well above Milner.

[Redman0151]

Been saying it for a while now but I don't think Clyne is good enough for a team like ours.

He's weak on the ball, slow to get forward, barely takes a man on. When you're facing parked buses you need to stretch teams, currently neither of our fullbacks really do that. Neither of them have much pace.

He's a solid midtable fullback, but he lacks the extra bit you need to be at a top team. For me, the first 2 signings I make in the summer are 2 fullbacks

[killer-heels]

Been saying it for a while now but I don't think Clyne is good enough for a team like ours.

He's weak on the ball, slow to get forward, barely takes a man on. When you're facing parked buses you need to stretch teams, currently neither of our fullbacks really do that. Neither of them have much pace.

He's a solid midtable fullback, but he lacks the extra bit you need to be at a top team. For me, the first 2 signings I make in the summer are 2 fullbacks

Really? So what about centre back and up front?

[Redman0151]

Really? So what about centre back and up front?

I'd sign another CB and striker as well, but I think 2 fullbacks who can get forward would be huge in those games against the shite where we need to stretch it

[Haggis36]

Been saying it for a while now but I don't think Clyne is good enough for a team like ours.

He's weak on the ball, slow to get forward, barely takes a man on. When you're facing parked buses you need to stretch teams, currently neither of our fullbacks really do that. Neither of them have much pace.

He's a solid midtable fullback, but he lacks the extra bit you need to be at a top team. For me, the first 2 signings I make in the summer are 2 fullbacks

Be different if he was rock solid defensively but I'm not even convinced he's that. He's fortunate in that we have so many other positions that need urgent attention and we don't have unlimited funds, but he'll need to be looking over his shoulder soon. He could get away with it for a lot of teams but you can't be as poor as he is on the ball and going forward in a team like ours. Replacing him and Milner with quality attacking full backs makes a big difference to our team, in my opinion.

Then again, so does adding a competent GK, CB, winger, striker...

[So… Howard Philips]

I'd sign another CB and striker as well, but I think 2 fullbacks who can get forward would be huge in those games against the shite where we need to stretch it

I think a top left back and centre back are essential, replacing Clyne isn't a priority but a top LB who can get forward and defend, unlike Moreno, would be a great addition.

[McrRed]

I'd sign another CB and striker as well, but I think 2 fullbacks who can get forward would be huge in those games against the shite where we need to stretch it

I'm not a fan. Says something when I'm wishing for Martin Kelly back, let alone the days of arbeloa or finnan.

However, if boruc hadn't made that save i wouldn't be posting now...

[killer-heels]

I'd sign another CB and striker as well, but I think 2 fullbacks who can get forward would be huge in those games against the shite where we need to stretch it

We need to address the spine of the team first. Thats where the crucial mistakes are happening. We should put every penny of resource we have into getting the very best centre back and striker we can. Then address the other positions.

[Klippity Klopp]

That shot by him was ace.

He's solid defensively.

He gets forward, he keeps the ball.  Provides the odd assist during the season.

One of our best players and the least of our problems.

[kingz]

Been saying it for a while now but I don't think Clyne is good enough for a team like ours.

He's weak on the ball, slow to get forward, barely takes a man on. When you're facing parked buses you need to stretch teams, currently neither of our fullbacks really do that. Neither of them have much pace.

He's a solid midtable fullback, but he lacks the extra bit you need to be at a top team. For me, the first 2 signings I make in the summer are 2 fullbacks

Agree. He should be a back up not a starter.
Although we are a very attacking team 9 fullbacks got more assists than him. 18 fullbacks got more goals than him. Not good enough..

[Klippity Klopp]

Agree. He should be a back up not a starter.
Although we are a very attacking team 9 fullbacks got more assists than him. 18 fullbacks got more goals than him. Not good enough..

Full backs should not be judged on their goals or assists.

They need to offer width in an attacking way, but to expect them to be a regular source of goals - I don't think is realistic.  Ashley Cole wouldn't get hardly any goals or assists, I'm sure people would love to have a clone of him at left back for us though.

Clyne does his main roles - defends well, offers great energy to press and get forward.  He can contribute going forwards. 

Our attack is actually fine.  Two goals should be fine to beat Bournemouth.  By once again this season, the defending has let us down - and that was not down to Clyne.

People pointing fingers at the wrong person again.  Blame Klavan or Wijnaldum for tonight, not Clyne who was one of our better players. 

[Haggis36]

Full backs should not be judged on their goals or assists.

They need to offer width in an attacking way...

Clyne does his main roles - defends well, offers great energy to press and get forward.  He can contribute going forwards. 

But Clyne doesn't really do that. The opposition are 99% of the time completely content to let him have the ball, because they know he isn't going to do anything with it. He's making up the numbers in that he's a passing option, but it's an utterly redundant one. Given that we play teams who like to pack the middle of the pitch and sit deep to frustrate, we need our wide players (including full backs) to not just "maintain width" by being a warm body to pass to out wide before they end up passing it back into the middle anyway, we need them to actually make threatening runs and offer end product at the end of it.

If Clyne does attack space or get down the side, the end result is usually him twatting it towards the direction of the goal but with no real attempt to spot a run or pick anyone out, or an aimless cross that sails over everyone's heads.

You only need to watch how Monaco utterly dismantled City in the CL to see the value of genuinely good attacking fullbacks. Monaco cut them to absolute ribbons, and most of their best moves came from the full backs.

We need more from there.

[David Struhme]

Clyne one of our best players what an odd post

[Caligula?]

We're playing "lesser" teams from now until the end of the season anyway. Our first eleven have proved time and time again that for whatever reason, they're not necessarily of the level required to beat these teams.

I'd give TAA a run out for a few matches from this point on. Our defense is nothing to boast about so he can't really make the defense any worse than it already is, and I'm almost certain he'll make more of an impact offensively.

[Klippity Klopp]

Clyne one of our best players what an odd post

I thought so too!

[Johnnyboy1973]

Personally, I expect more from both him and Milner.

In our system, they see loads of the ball and do little with it.

I thought first half, he added little value then he whacked the bar in the second half and soon after eventually went on the outside and whipped in a delicious ball.

That was it.

One truly telling ball in 90 minutes against Bournemouth at Anfield with Origi leading the line.

It was one more than Milner put in, mind.

[kingz]

Clyne one of our best players what an odd post

Whats really odd is that a fullback who cant cross and panic every time he gets into a good position in the final third and his end product is worse than most of the fullbacks in this league is considered one our best players..

[SerbianScouser]

Fullbacks are a waste of time. Unless you have Dani Alves there's no point to them at all.

The best position for Clyne where he can only do positive things for us is a right outside CB in a back 3. For a team that is as attacking as ours is it'd be better if the width in the final third was provided by a winger who can take people on thus creating space elsewhere.

[harryc]

Whats really odd is that a fullback who cant cross and panic every time he gets into a good position in the final third and his end product is worse than most of the fullbacks in this league is considered one our best players..

Are you describing Milner or Clyne?

[kingz]

Are you describing Milner or Clyne?

Clyne. Milner played most of his career as a midfielder its unfair to compare him to other fullbacks..

[rickardinho1]

RB is the least of issues.

Sign a good LB (who can attack and defend) and there's a good balance at fullback on both sides:

Clyne  ----------- New LB
Trent ------------ Milner

That would mean Clyne at RB and Milner on the bench covering both RB/LB, and with Trent getting cup games, which is an ideal mix of experience, versatility, and youth (obviously assuming the new LB is decent).

[joekim87]

I think he's okay and probably good enough for a top 4 team. Never a star and if he's one of our best players (as some people above mentioned) then we'll never win anything.

[ShrewKop]

He's obviously not a bad player, but should be a squad player and not a guaranteed starter in the ideal world. I think in the transfer market we have bigger fish to fry than finding his replacement, but if a suitable RB does pop up, then great.

[Giono]

Both our wingbacks are poor and can be upgraded. What makes it worse is that they see so much of the ball in matches against the lower teams that concentrate on clogging the middle.


Clyne is slightly better than Milner, but he should be upgraded on too.

[BER]

he's grand, rightback is like 8th on the list of priorities. even just among the defensive unit, a goalkeeper, left-back and centre-back are more in need of investment. TAA looks primed to provide competition for that spot too.

[only6times]

The one time he didn't cut inside, he put a great ball across. He checks back far too much. Take the man on lad. He sold himself too many times last night and they played around him.

[only6times]

Full backs should not be judged on their goals or assists.

They need to offer width in an attacking way, but to expect them to be a regular source of goals - I don't think is realistic.  Ashley Cole wouldn't get hardly any goals or assists, I'm sure people would love to have a clone of him at left back for us though.

Clyne does his main roles - defends well, offers great energy to press and get forward.  He can contribute going forwards. 

Our attack is actually fine.  Two goals should be fine to beat Bournemouth.  By once again this season, the defending has let us down - and that was not down to Clyne.

People pointing fingers at the wrong person again.  Blame Klavan or Wijnaldum for tonight, not Clyne who was one of our better players. 

Blame whoever left Harry Arter unmarked to get the shot off.

[Coat Of Arms]

Our issue is keeping clean sheets, not scoring goals, yet a decent defensive minded fullback like Clyne is now an issue? Seems bizarre to me. Sort out a decent goalkeeper & a parner for Matip and maybe then we can nitpick about our RB not being Dani Alves, until then he's the least of our worries.

[Anfield89]

Right back shouldn't even be considered in the summer far more important areas need addressing.

[paddysour]

The one time he didn't cut inside, he put a great ball across. He checks back far too much. Take the man on lad. He sold himself too many times last night and they played around him.

He's probably the quickest player in our team, yet he never takes anyone on down the outside. It's so frustrating watching him pass it square when he could literally just kick it down the line and outpace his marker 9 times from 10

[killer-heels]

He's probably the quickest player in our team, yet he never takes anyone on down the outside. It's so frustrating watching him pass it square when he could literally just kick it down the line and outpace his marker 9 times from 10

....and then do what?

[wige]

Right back shouldn't even be considered in the summer far more important areas need addressing.

Is absolutely correct.

Utter nonsense being spouted in this thread.

We have weaknesses at Goalkeeper, Centre Half, arguably Left Back, arguably Centre Midfield and upfront, from a pace/speed and ruthlessness perspective.

To criticise probably the best defensive RB in the league, and to assign more than a footnote of blame to him for our attacking play (TOP league scorers), is nothing but confirmation that you're a fucking idiot.

[paddysour]

....and then do what?

Cutback to one of our million attacking midfielders

[Anfield89]

....and then do what?

He has had success doing it a few times this season it's far more dangerous than pulling it back and playing safe for the sake of recycling the ball.

[only6times]

....and then do what?

Nothing. He should carry on going sideways and allow the opponents to get organised.

[only6times]

He did it once and put a peach of a ball on that Origi only just missed.

[killer-heels]

Cutback to one of our million attacking midfielders

That sounds easy. A full back asked to attack and get past a defender facing him and then cut back to a packed defence in the box? Or cross it against big  defenders.

Maybe our manager wants him to be part of a slower build up and not resort to crossing against packed defences? He has actually created more chances than Kyle Walker.

[killer-heels]

Nothing. He should carry on going sideways and allow the opponents to get organised.

We have scored plenty of goals. He is defensively pretty solid as well. Our issues are elsewhere and we need to spend every single penny we have addressing the keeper and centre back situation. After that we have major depth issues in attack and midfield. We also don't have a good natural left back.

Address those issues first. Then spend your time worrying about a player who is the very least of our problems.