Topic: Dejan Lovren

[Kopenhagen]

Is he any worse than Gary Cahill? Put Lovren in that Chelsea team and they're still near the top of the league.

[classycarra]

Is he any worse than Gary Cahill? Put Lovren in that Chelsea team and they're still near the top of the league.

I think he's better than Cahill, except for Cahill's tidy finishing. Lovren alongside Luiz and Azpilecueta, with Matic and Kante ahead of them, would be more mobile and more on the front foot than with Cahill. Lovren and Matip are horribly exposed in our system without a fit (and uncarded) Henderson in front of them

[rawcusk8]

Melissa Reddy @MelissaReddy_
Klopp on Lovren: "I know how fans think. After Dortmund, they say 'give him a 20-year contract.' After Palace, 'can another team have him?'"

Will be happy to have him in our squad as a back up.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

100k is not "nearly" 160k.

My point still stands, Lovren shouldn't be getting anywhere near Ramos in terms of earnings, he's half the player

[classycarra]

My point still stands, Lovren shouldn't be getting anywhere near Ramos in terms of earnings, he's half the player

At what point did our love of all things Liverpool FC suddenly turn into a game of not Football Manager 2017 but Accounts Payable Manager 2017? Who gives a fuck what teams in different countries and competitions pay their players?

[sonny crockett]

Lovren getting a new contract is like me staying on o2 after I'm due a new handset because I can't be arsed ringing anyone up and joining a new network.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

My point still stands, Lovren shouldn't be getting anywhere near Ramos in terms of earnings, he's half the player

How do you know what Ramos is earning?

[sms1986]

My point still stands, Lovren shouldn't be getting anywhere near Ramos in terms of earnings, he's half the player

Even though Ramos plays in a different league and country with different tax regulations?

[jooneyisdagod]

Totally fine with this. He's a good player though not elite and in our system we need elite defenders. Matip is the closest we've got to an elite defender, and I haven't seen him demonstrate the levels he was showing at the start of the season in months. Hopefully, we can upgrade on Lovren and Milner at the back for now, but while we haven't done that, he remains a good player that is still worth a lot of money should a team start looking at him.

[Lar Salty]

Dejan is the best we're gonna get.

Dejan is the least of our problems.

First sentence makes me think you don't watch much football. Second sentence makes me think you don't watch much liverpool football. You couldn't be more wrong in both cases.

[Frizzo]

My point still stands, Lovren shouldn't be getting anywhere near Ramos in terms of earnings, he's half the player

Even though it's a pointless, stupid comparison... he is earning around half what Ramos earns...

What's your gripe?

[Marty McFly]

Totally fine with this. He's a good player though not elite and in our system we need elite defenders. Matip is the closest we've got to an elite defender, and I haven't seen him demonstrate the levels he was showing at the start of the season in months. Hopefully, we can upgrade on Lovren and Milner at the back for now, but while we haven't done that, he remains a good player that is still worth a lot of money should a team start looking at him.

Agreed. It's a good development, Klopp knows what he's doing here.

I'd be happy with Lovren as third choice centre back or in a consistent 2 with Matip based on their form other than the Palace game. Preferably, we sign a Van Dijk and he's 3rd choice mind...

He does still make some mistakes but then some fans on here are deluded to think we shouldn't be keeping him

[peachybum]

Lovren is a good centre back at a good age so makes sense to tie him down.

Of course what we ideally want is GREAT centre backs but there just aren't that many around. The market value for any centre back seems to have shot up massively over the last 5 years. Just look at the money City have thrown on that position on Mangala, Otimendi and Stones. I don't think any of them are great or better than Lovren.

So with the lack of option's around it's much better to keep Lovren and add another to him and Matip than let him leave and have to get two in.

[clinical]

He lacks a brain just like moreno lacks a brain. Hyypia was so slow but because he was so clever very rarely got done for pace. Lovren has all the physical attributes to be a good cb, but without a brain he will always cost us.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Yep, its a solid base to be starting with. And then if you improve on those figures, which can be done with the personnel already therte, you're talking title winning form.

Not to mention that all title contenders have at least 3 quality central defenders, and judging by all the reports from the respectable sources, we will be signing another quality central defender in the summer. So, with Matip, Lovren and the new central defender, we are planning for a team that is capable of winning more than 2.07 points per game, or basically a title contending team.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Is he any worse than Gary Cahill? Put Lovren in that Chelsea team and they're still near the top of the league.

No, Lovren is overall a better player than Gary Cahill. Put Gary Cahill in our exposed defence, and he would look terrible.

[Lycan]

He lacks a brain just like moreno lacks a brain. Hyypia was so slow but because he was so clever very rarely got done for pace. Lovren has all the physical attributes to be a good cb, but without a brain he will always cost us.

I don't think he is anywhere near that level.

[Lycan]

Is he any worse than Gary Cahill? Put Lovren in that Chelsea team and they're still near the top of the league.

No, not at all. And if you took Cahill's defensive partner, David Luiz and stuck him in our back four, he'd still be seen as the clown everyone thought he was prior to his return to Chelsea.

[Funky_Gibbons]

He lacks a brain just like moreno lacks a brain.

Hasn't stopped you though.

[Billy The Kid]

Hasn't stopped you though.

[pyroparty]

Hasn't stopped you though.

 

[Lycan]

Hasn't stopped you though.

BOOM!!!

 

[killer-heels]

Is he any worse than Gary Cahill? Put Lovren in that Chelsea team and they're still near the top of the league.

He isnt a better defender than Gary Cahill.

[Cpt_Reina]

He isnt a better defender than Gary Cahill.

Ask Gary Cahill to defend in a team as progressive and boarderline reckless as a Klopp team and come back to me with this hot take.

Lovren, fwiw, got his move to Liverpool after looking very impressive under a manager who was much more risk averse than Klopp, much like the sort of manager Cahill has played well under in Mourinho and now Conte, when Pochettino was setting up a nice solid (boring) midfield in front him for protection.

Maybe, just maybe, the problem is systemic.

[Lycan]

He isnt a better defender than Gary Cahill.

For me, they're both very similar. Although Cahill doesn't get exposed as much in the system Chelsea play. He is still prone to the odd brainfart like our Dejan though. And if he were playing for us, I don't think he'd be much of an upgrade, if one at all.

[Funky_Gibbons]

He isnt a better defender than Gary Cahill.

That'll be the Gary Cahill whose made more errors leading to goals than Lovren whilst playing in a much more defensive set up.

Considering the system we play it's bordering on pointless to compare other defenders to ours.

[daggerdoo]

First sentence makes me think you don't watch much football. Second sentence makes me think you don't watch much liverpool football. You couldn't be more wrong in both cases.

We're all entitled to an opinion, but your two sentences make me think you just don't like dejan, that's fair enough. I think everyone on this forum probably watches too much "liverpool football" actually, and i certainly know that my employers think i'm a massive pain in the arse for taking sooo much time off for the games.

[Lycan]

First sentence makes me think you don't watch much football. Second sentence makes me think you don't watch much liverpool football. You couldn't be more wrong in both cases.

He is only wrong with the first sentence. And you're wrong with the second sentence if you think Lovren is the biggest problem we have with our side.

[Johns_Barn]

l...

The odd thing about our team this season, a bit more than others, is that we need more strong minded players, guys who can bully the opponents and psych our players up too.

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[Kopenhagen]

He isnt a better defender than Gary Cahill.

He isn't worse. Cahill will be remembered for his goals, yet was terrible in the Chelsea back four at the start of the season. He's also had a few mares for England recently. Cahill, however, is seen as "reliable," whereas Lovren is a "trainwreck," a "liability."

I'm not Lovren's biggest fan or anything, but he's a decent defender playing in a system that doesn't exactly make defenders look great.

[Coolie High]

Of course Cahill is rated higher he has won pratically everything he can mostly playing as a starting cb for Chelsea.

[Lycan]

Of course Cahill is rated higher he has won pratically everything he can mostly playing as a starting cb for Chelsea.

Did people rate Darren Fletcher higher than Steven Gerrard because he'd won more premier trophies than him? Just because they play for better teams it doesn't make them better players mate.

[Eeyore]

Cahill according to reports is on 80k a week but crucially starts week in week out. The likelihood is that Lovren could well end up as our 3rd choice centre back on 100k a week. It seems bizarre to me to be looking to reduce Lovren's role but also give him a huge pay rise.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Cahill according to reports is on 80k a week but crucially starts week in week out. The likelihood is that Lovren could well end up as our 3rd choice centre back on 100k a week. It seems bizarre to me to be looking to reduce Lovren's role but also give him a huge pay rise.

According to all the reliable sources, we are planning to sign another top central defender in the summer. Since we are hoping to have Champions League football next season, we are obviously trying to create a rotation of 3 quality central defenders for the increased number of games. What is bizarre about that?

[Lar Salty]

He is only wrong with the first sentence. And you're wrong with the second sentence if you think Lovren is the biggest problem we have with our side.

He said that Lovren is the least of our problems. Do I think he's the biggest problem? No. Which is why I didn't say it. But to act like his criminally poor decision making hasn't consistently hurt us is either disingenuous or delusional. Either way it's wrong.

[Eeyore]

According to all the reliable sources, we are planning to sign another top central defender in the summer. Since we are hoping to have Champions League football next season, we are obviously trying to create a rotation of 3 quality central defenders for the increased number of games. What is bizarre about that?

That centre backs are the one position where you don't want rotation. You want to have a settled centre back partnership.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

That centre backs are the one position where you don't want rotation. You want to have a settled centre back partnership.

true, but that's irrelevant if they get injured, which happens a but to ours

[deFacto please, you bastards]

That centre backs are the one position where you don't want rotation. You want to have a settled centre back partnership.

Yes but you can't play both centerbacks in every game throughout the season in all 4 competitions. It's unrealistic and impossible.

[PeterTheRed ...]

That centre backs are the one position where you don't want rotation. You want to have a settled centre back partnership.

Increased number of games. Injuries. Fatigue.

I think that you get the idea.

[Eeyore]

true, but that's irrelevant if they get injured, which happens a but to ours

Which raises the question why we are giving Lovren who has had 8 injuries this season and 5 last season a massive long term deal. He is probably at the peak of his physical powers at the moment but misses too many games. What is he going to be like in his thirties.