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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2016, 11:24:59 pm »
A man of honour, very rare these days.

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2016, 11:31:08 pm »
The right decision by a man of principle. Nice to see his reasoning which struck the right note when we're waiting to see if the IPCC have any credibility or are going to be seen as police apologists. Phil knows better than anyone they were forced into this and still it rankles them and they want to put a line under it on their terms not ours and his reasons explain why he feels he cannot accept this award, loved him echoing Howie Gales point as well. Today he gains more respect amongst us ordinary people than any number of letters can confere.
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2016, 11:43:54 pm »
Am I on my own in being offended by the BBC referring to him as 'The author'? I'm aware prof scraton is a member of the site so he can judge for himself, but to refer to him as 'the author' seems massively disrespectful. Been bugging me for a few hours this one.
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2016, 11:57:51 pm »
A man of honour, very rare these days.

Bingo. So many good causes are hijacked by self serving low lifes. Here's someone who's content with the truth and won't sell his integrity for a few letters. Proper role model.

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2016, 03:26:26 am »
I believe Phil is a poster on this forum, or at least has posted in the past. Phil, if you are reading this, I tip my hat to you my friend. It would be an honour to buy you a pint one day. A man of pure honour and decency, and they are hard to find.

Thank you for everything.

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2016, 04:15:14 am »
Dignity, humility, commitment, a desire to seek truth, and the intelligence to find it, then clarify it, not just for those damaged by it, but those who betrayed it, and then those millions who ignored it.
You don't have a medal for that.
You have a star in the firmament.

Thank you, Dr Scranton, always.
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #46 on: December 30, 2016, 04:20:30 am »
Great!

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"I could not receive an honour on the recommendation of those who remained unresponsive to the determined efforts of bereaved families and survivors to secure truth and justice."

Especially when one of the culprits is showered with knighthood, there is no point getting these
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2016, 04:57:25 am »
Our club owes him a great debt

Fair play to him for sticking with his convictions
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2016, 05:48:56 am »
Fair play.
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2016, 06:39:23 am »
Our club owes him a great debt

Fair play to him for sticking with his convictions

 As does the city in general. 

 The man is a true hero is an age where the term has been largely devalued.  I hope that his work is never forgotten.  My utmost respect to the man.

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2016, 08:30:37 am »
Just listened to him being interviewed on Radio 4.  What a guy.

You can probably catch it on BBC iPlayer if you are in UK or use a vpn.

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2016, 09:06:48 am »
Great man an he has supported a few other good causes too.
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2016, 09:21:35 am »
We should honour him- what about the new stand being named the Scraton Stand?

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2016, 09:29:02 am »
When I heard this news I wasn't surprised.

A true measure of the man. I doff my hat to you again Phil.
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2016, 10:16:06 am »
Absolutely right too. Great man

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2016, 10:26:51 am »
Summed up perfectly by 92a.
Great man indeed & thankyou Phil.
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2016, 11:09:21 am »
A top, top man. Well in Phil.

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2016, 11:33:50 am »
People who have always known the truth and know how much this man has given to making sure that everyone else knows what really happened at Hillsborough will not be surprised.

He will always be a hero to us and is one person I have no problem at all looking up to!

Thank you Prof Scraton for everything you have done. You really are a legend!
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #58 on: December 31, 2016, 11:48:38 am »
I believe Phil is a poster on this forum, or at least has posted in the past. Phil, if you are reading this, I tip my hat to you my friend. It would be an honour to buy you a pint one day. A man of pure honour and decency, and they are hard to find.

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #59 on: December 31, 2016, 12:44:49 pm »
R4 interview up on iPlayer now:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b085yyyk

From 02:22:35  :thumbup

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #60 on: December 31, 2016, 01:01:15 pm »
Brilliant, ta mate.

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #61 on: December 31, 2016, 01:54:27 pm »
Cannot add anything to what has already been said.

Well in Phil , truly a legend.
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #62 on: December 31, 2016, 01:56:16 pm »
I believe Phil is a poster on this forum, or at least has posted in the past. Phil, if you are reading this, I tip my hat to you my friend. It would be an honour to buy you a pint one day. A man of pure honour and decency, and they are hard to find.

Thank you for everything.

He is indeed, he posted a couple of days ago in the Hillsborough poetry book thread.
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #63 on: December 31, 2016, 02:10:31 pm »
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #65 on: January 1, 2017, 04:59:08 pm »
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #67 on: January 1, 2017, 05:21:01 pm »
A truly great man for not accepting on the basis of Britain's  evil empire ... a holocaust that happened over centuries and which this nation has blotted out of its consciousness because it's convenient to. Fuck the commonwealth games, fuck the royal family and fuck everything related to the empire.

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #69 on: January 2, 2017, 12:45:16 pm »
I'd like to echo the many 'thank you's' to Phil for his unfailing resolve to expose the truth. This decision is, for me, typical of the man......a man of true honour and integrity and who is deserving of the greatest of respect.
Thank you Phil for your incredible commitment.

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #71 on: January 2, 2017, 02:24:06 pm »
what a great man, truly deserves respect from all of us

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #72 on: January 4, 2017, 01:58:06 am »
Now that the brouhaha is dying down I want to thank everyone who has posted such supportive comments on RAWK, who have emailed me directly and all who put #philscraton at the top of the twitter league table for a few hours!!!! (I don't do twitter but the messages got through) It looks pretty certain that the nomination came from within the Home Office and it was only when the full list was announced that I understood why. I 'went public' when I realised my nomination was about to be leaked. I'm concerned about the timing of all this given that the PCA and criminal investigations are yet to be completed ... why now?

As I said last week, it would have been hypocritical in the extreme to accept any honour on the recommendation of those in power who for so long remained silent and obstructive in the face of an honourable, committed and dignified campaign by bereaved families and survivors. Way back in 1997 Stuart-Smith singled me out for particular criticism in a profoundly flawed report that offered nothing to families and survivors but further pain and frustration.

Political ambivalence imposed a delay stretching over two decades which saw many others, including good friends, pass away prematurely, suffer serious illness and profound depression as they shouldered the burden of prolonged injustice. While the general public knows that 96 men, women and children died at Hillsborough it never crosses their minds that many more have died as a direct consequence of illnesses brought on by their suffering. People who tell families and survivors to 'move on' or to seek 'closure' have no idea of the depth of that suffering.

I've mentioned elsewhere that I consider the honours system a divisive, secretive and outdated form of patronage linked directly in name to the notion of 'Empire' and its imperialist history. If people's social, medical and community achievements are to be recognised then patronage, including canvassing for honours, must be ended. My position in no way should be taken as a criticism of those who publicly state their acceptance of awards on behalf of others rather than themselves.

I will be forever grateful for the warmth and support I have received - including the remarkable banner - but at the end of the day, along with others who have worked tirelessly and selflessly down the years, I have simply used whatever limited skills I have to pursue justice.
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #73 on: January 4, 2017, 02:44:37 am »


Nice to be able to say thank you for all your work through the years, me I am just a out of town fan but just wanted to let you know how much respected you are by people close to the City and afar.  Like I said earlier in the thread fair play for not accepting the OBE you don't need that for the Love/Respect/gratitude people have for you and everyone else who's done work for Justice.  Take care.
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #74 on: January 4, 2017, 10:17:30 am »
Genuinely, a hero.

Thank you Phil.

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #75 on: January 4, 2017, 12:45:36 pm »
Thank you is not enough but it is simply the smallest way of acknowledging your tireless work on behalf of Justice.
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #76 on: January 4, 2017, 02:28:47 pm »
Thanks for everything you've done for us all over the years Phil. It's greatly appreciated by everyone.

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #77 on: January 4, 2017, 02:40:22 pm »
A typically sensible piece from Phil.

The appreciation he deserves, he has already, from the people of Liverpool.

More broadly, I  am also pleased that he added that his own actions in no way detract from those who accept honours in different circumstances.

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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #78 on: January 4, 2017, 02:44:22 pm »
Well done Phil.
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Re: Prof. Phil Scraton turns down an OBE as a matter of principle
« Reply #79 on: January 4, 2017, 03:57:05 pm »
Well done Phil, and many thanks for all your hard work