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Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« on: January 7, 2005, 03:40:47 pm »
Will there ever be an end to the infernal striker speculation? It is like 1999 all over again, when we were linked to approximately 3,456 centre backs, when at the time there were only 3,455 centre backs in world professional football, and some of those were the ones we were trying to offload. (And "professional" wasn't a term you could aim at some of them).

Fortunately there are only three weeks left before January ends. A conclusion should be reached by then, and if not, we will at least have the luxury of less-intense conjecture and pontification until the summer, when it will all commence once again. (Oh joy of joys). We all love a good gossip, but it's the turning of this gossip (unless it's Robbie Savage we're being linked with) into the real thing that tests the patience. What's holding things up?

Why do we need a striker? After all, I have little doubt that Djibril Cisse will prove a massive hit next season, presuming he makes a full recovery; his record in France was (unlike Diouf and many others) simply sensational. The pressure will be off somewhat. But Cisse was always intended to add to a squad that also contained Michael Owen; once Owen joined the inconsistent Heskey (the man Cisse was bought to replace) in leaving Liverpool, we were always one striker short.

Cisse's injury in itself doesn't mean we need to bolster the attack - that need was already present. But it does make it a pressing issue. (Maybe now Emile is having his customary prolific month of the season, maybe we'll read he's rejoining us?).

In the interim, Mellor looks like a fairly average player who, happily, can mask this by plundering goals if given chances, and Pongolle looks like a wonderful talent who, at last, is making the most of goalscoring positions (including at Carrow Road, where his shot led to the winning goal). Our stand-ins are standing proud. But with all due respect to them (and in football, you must always talk of giving 'all due respect' before dismissing something or somebody) they are not the finished articles yet, and unless Rafa is going to be given an infinite amount of time to bring success to Anfield, he needs to start adding proven quality ASAP.

Put simply, it is like the first week of May: either we wait to grow our own flowers for Mother's Day, or we go to the shop and buy some. Only one way will be a success on time; if we grow our own, it'll be next year before they flower.

With timing typical of the luck Rafa is experiencing of late, Real Madrid change their coach (sacking the old one so they didn't have to provide him with a long-service award following his ten games in charge) at the precise moment we are closing in on Fernando Morientes - after the striker has said that, given his demotion at Real, he wishes to join Liverpool.

Nicolas Anelka's name has also been mentioned by Benitez. Andy Johnson has been linked on several occasions; smoke without fire? Pablo Aimar apparently threw his big hat into the ring (it needs to be a big hat to go over his big hair); even if we wanted him, I doubt we could afford him (still, we got one Argentinian from Valencia). Dean Ashton remained an interesting option given our Crewe link-up, although he is too raw for the role of leading man, and likely to join a struggling Premiership side (although if he wants to play in the Premiership, I'm not sure why he's considering doomed Norwich; to me it seems like wanting to go to Australia your whole life, and then making it only to an airport in Sydney before it's time to head home again - surely you want to go somewhere you can stay?).

Beyond that, it's spurious speculation and straw-clutching. Names as diverse as Darren 'Headless' Huckerby and Robbie Fowler (for those fond of time travel) have been mentioned. Even Michael Owen's situation in Madrid has been thrown into the equation once again – he has already had more managers in Madrid in five months than he played under during his eight years at Anfield (oh how he must wish for the stability of yore). Having been clear third choice ahead of Morientes, he could now possibly have fallen behind the Spaniard in the pecking order once again. (Hard on Owen, given he has the best goals-per-minute ratio in La Liga, but there you go: you make your bed, you lie in it, although with his money I expect he has a maid to make his bed for him). At least Owen knows that the odds are, come March, he'll have a manager who rates him in charge once again. Until April, that is.

While I'd prefer Owen over Morientes every time in a player-versus-player debate, it could be argued that Morientes would give us better balance than a returning Owen ever could. In recent seasons, Owen was the goalscorer partnered by a goal-shy target man. Morientes is that rarity - a goal-scoring target man - so Baros (small, nippy, natural finisher, in the Owen mould) would have a perfect foil. Baros and Morientes would (in theory - and that's all it is at present) offer more than Owen and Heskey.

Morientes looks perfect for someone like Baros to play off. Baros is never static, always running into the channels, either with the ball or without. He doesn't drop deep, but works the width of the pitch. Morientes would be the opposite: working only the centre of the pitch; dropping deep to link the play, or advanced as a target man, to hold the ball up or head down for others.

But is the new Madrid manager, Luxemburgo, going to block Morientes exit by promising games (in other words, lying) and then, when Morientes is back on the bench in February, know that he still has four top-quality strikers to choose from? I know I would, if I were Real boss. (With a bit of luck, I might be come May; like jury service, it comes to us all).

Morientes is at a good age: experienced, but with years left on the clock (although he'd be worth nothing at the end of any long contract we might award him). He's a good all-round player, great in the air, and knows where the goal is (like Baros, he has an amazing international record). If you want proven winners, this guy has more medals than a veteran of the Somme. Is it five Champions League finals he has played in, having won four?

The other main player in the frame is Nicolas Anelka; Rafa saying he knows all about him, and that he's a good player. Too right - I am a huge admirer of Anelka's. To me, in the Premiership only Thierry Henry is a more complete striker. Anelka is proven quality in this league. The fact is he has been a one-goal-in-every-two league games striker at Arsenal and at Man City.

Anelka wasn't match fit when he arrived at Liverpool in late 2001, having been frozen out at PSG. When here he didn't start many games consecutively, as Houllier used him as third choice, behind Heskey. We saw in the past, with Baros (and indeed Fowler in later years), how being in for one game, out for two or three, affects a striker's confidence and rhythm. Houllier must have had his reasons for ditching Anelka, as he'd said (circa 1999) that Anelka would win the European Footballer of the Year at some stage. It is a fact that the French national academy rated him more highly than Henry when both were teenagers.

Whether or not Benitez wants to take a small gamble with him, who knows? But it is a fact that at Valencia Benitez had some problem players, with certain members of that team hating him, and yet he managed to subvert their egos and make a team of them. The trouble with players who don't have egos is that the tend to not have a lot of talent, or a lot of personality (and confidence) on the pitch. A bit of arrogance - in a striker, especially - is to be welcomed. (Also, it would stop Anelka scoring goals against us.)

To my mind Anelka is as ideal as Morientes, but in a slightly different way. He has blistering pace (unlike El Moro), and so can play as the front-runner (yes, he's offside a lot, but often mistakenly flagged), but he is also exceptional at dropping deep and bringing others into play, working the channels, or running at players with the ball. In his spell with the club, I was most impressed with his all-round play, and the goals - along with the fitness - were just starting to arrive when the season ended. Those three Boro defenders he sent the wrong way at the Riverside in 2002 are still searching for him.

He gets a bad press, but not too many managers or teammates have a bad word to say about him; he made mistakes as a youngster, but compared to El Hadji Diouf appears to be a saint. He's at a great age (still only 25), fit as a fiddle (rarely injured), with bags of experience (at four great clubs, and Manchester City) and still has eight or nine years left; if City have to sell on the cheap, he'd be an investment if only in sell-on terms. Of course, he's not the cleverest bloke alive. (Clearly - the great Stephen Hawking, for one, is much more intelligent; but Anelka, I am guessing, would be quicker around the pitch than Hawking).

Time will tell which striker we procure. Let's just hope that time is nigh...

On another subject, I am currently working on a book about Liverpool Football Club (the recent history, latest developments, issues surrounding LFC in the 21st Century, and a full review of Rafa's first season in charge), with publisher negotiations underway for a release this summer. Anyone interested in purchasing a copy (purely provisionally at this point, no obligation to buy), please email me at the following address (so that I may gauge potential demand), and nearer the time of publication I will contact you with more details, in advance of it hitting the shops:  tomkins_lfcbook@btinternet.com

By the time of publication it would nice to be talking about a cup success (a final at least), progress in the Champions League, and qualifying for 2005/06. It will be nice to see key players fit once again, and new faces in place, as the "Rafalution" gathers pace. Oh, and a certain player still captaining the side. Here's hoping...

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #1 on: January 7, 2005, 04:03:15 pm »
I am glad Rafa is not getting involved in a bidding war with Real Madrid because I don’t think Morientes is worth more than £5million in the current transfer market.

I am NOT sure about Nicolas Anelka – how long before we get his mood swings?

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #2 on: January 7, 2005, 04:04:42 pm »
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Dean Ashton remained an interesting option given our Crewe link-up, although he is too raw for the role of leading man, and likely to join a struggling Premiership side (although if he wants to play in the Premiership, I'm not sure why he's considering doomed Norwich

Think you are being rather too generous with footballers' intellectual capacity to assume he can think that far ahead in time!!!

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #3 on: January 7, 2005, 04:46:14 pm »

Morientes looks perfect for someone like Baros to play off. Baros is never static, always running into the channels, either with the ball or without. He doesn't drop deep, but works the width of the pitch. Morientes would be the opposite: working only the centre of the pitch; dropping deep to link the play, or advanced as a target man, to hold the ball up or head down for others.
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Morientes is at a good age: experienced, but with years left on the clock (although he'd be worth nothing at the end of any long contract we might award him). He's a good all-round player, great in the air, and knows where the goal is (like Baros, he has an amazing international record). If you want proven winners, this guy has more medals than a veteran of the Somme. Is it five Champions League finals he has played in, having won four?


Exactly my thoughts.

I'd happily pay 7M to get Morientes to the club. Unfortunately I don't have that kind of money, but I hope Rafa does.

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #4 on: January 7, 2005, 04:55:46 pm »
Balague: "The case of Fernando Morientes is an unfair one. His quality would be useful in any team in the world, except Real Madrid's at the moment. But his legend has grown with his return to the bench. You must remember he rediscovered his form with a team that played in the French league and who used his strengths to a maximum, even allowing him to reinvent himself as a second striker. They are two things that won't happen in the case of Liverpool. He is a player that depends greatly on his mood. If he hits form and feels wanted, he delivers. If he feels the competition is too hard (he is not a physical player) or too fast (so he cannot use the movements he has learnt at Monaco) he may want to go home sooner rather than later. I doubt he will be a success in England, although I would play him at Madrid, especially now that Beckham is being used as a winger when the team is attacking. His crosses need El Moro's head."

Paul, do you agree with Guillem Balague's views about Morientes playing only when his mood suits him, about the PL etc etc?

I like Morientes as a player - classy, skilful and experienced without a doubt - but I'm not convinced that La Liga or the French league is at all comparable to the hurly burly of the PL. Before we signed Cisse, I lost count of the number of highlight videos of him tearing through defenders who would stand around like skittles and give him the time and space in which to play. There surely can't be that many strikers who have made a successful transition from the French or Spanish league to the Premiership?


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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #5 on: January 7, 2005, 04:56:49 pm »
Morientes' record is too consistent for that assessment, IMHO. It was also levelled at Owen on his off days - just one of those things, I think.

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #6 on: January 7, 2005, 05:02:12 pm »
It's Anelka.

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
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« Reply #8 on: January 7, 2005, 05:35:40 pm »
Toppen Notchen artikel Herr Tomkins  :wave

Ein bischen von der 'jokes' also, sehr gut  ;D

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« Reply #9 on: January 7, 2005, 06:11:42 pm »
Toppen Notchen artikel Herr Tomkins  :wave

Ein bischen von der 'jokes' also, sehr gut  ;D


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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #10 on: January 7, 2005, 06:15:09 pm »
As always Paul, Quality :thumbup.

It probably will be anelka £6/7 mil + Steph and maybe Cinema Pornstar or Gerd on loan.
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« Reply #11 on: January 7, 2005, 06:18:30 pm »
As always Paul, Quality :thumbup.

It probably will be anelka £6/7 mil + Steph and maybe Cinema Pornstar or Gerd on loan.


Mellor on loan to Manchester City? Hmm, he might like that, as a City fan.

I'd be loathe to see FSP leave (unless only on loan - not sure if that was what you meant?). He has a great attitude, and no little skill.

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« Reply #12 on: January 7, 2005, 06:35:43 pm »

Mellor on loan to Manchester City? Hmm, he might like that, as a City fan.

I'd be loathe to see FSP leave (unless only on loan - not sure if that was what you meant?). He has a great attitude, and no little skill.


Sinama on loan. Would be fair to buy anelka and not give them someone replace him. I'd hate to see sinama leave permanently but a loan to a prem team would do him a world of good.
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« Reply #13 on: January 7, 2005, 06:36:54 pm »

Sinama on loan. Would be fair to buy anelka and not give them someone replace him. I'd hate to see sinama leave permanently but a loan to a prem team would do him a world of good.


Makes perfect sense to me. (Although I'd loan him to them for next season, when Cisse is back - this season we need Flo).

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #14 on: January 7, 2005, 06:59:46 pm »
Like a man unwilling to share his girlfriend, I want Sinama to stay. He's doing well for us and can only help in our end of season run in. This man literally might make the difference between a place or two, like we saw with his play against Olympiakos.

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #15 on: January 7, 2005, 07:25:08 pm »
Wasn’t aware that you were writing a book - glad to hear it though as I enjoy reading your articles - consistently insightful :)

Like most I just want this whole transfer saga to be over and done with as its bloody painful! End of the day, both of those options excite me - just bloody sign one of them!!
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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #16 on: January 7, 2005, 07:44:23 pm »
Great article again Paul, Thanks.

Like you i cant wait for the striker issue to be sorted and I wonder what chances we have of getting BOTH Anelka and Morientes!?  :D

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #17 on: January 7, 2005, 07:51:00 pm »
Like you i cant wait for the striker issue to be sorted and I wonder what chances we have of getting BOTH Anelka and Morientes!?  :D

I doubt it - I don't think we can afford both. If we could...  :D


Wasn’t aware that you were writing a book - glad to hear it though as I enjoy reading your articles - consistently insightful :)

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #18 on: January 7, 2005, 09:05:15 pm »
Toppen Notchen artikel Herr Tomkins  :wave

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« Reply #19 on: January 7, 2005, 09:29:17 pm »
At what point did I say I want replies only in German?!  ;D

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #20 on: January 7, 2005, 10:29:01 pm »
Quality article. Eloquent, incisive and to the point.

Must admit that I'm a big Anelka fan, but would also be happy to see El Moro in red (don't agree with the post about him not fancying it much sometimes - all strikers play on confidence don't they???).

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #21 on: January 8, 2005, 12:11:55 am »
the title of your piece says it all really - "torment". that's what this infernal waiting, hoping, checking, and feeding on scraps of gossip and news is.

have to say, i really hope we get morientes out of all the "possibilities" we have. particularly in terms of the decision between anelka and 'el moro', whilst neither would disappoint me, i think morientes would fit into our team much better as he would provide us with something different up front.

baros and cisse are quite similar really - both relying on making good runs and getting balls played through to feet / for them to run onto. cisse relying in particular on blistering pace. sinama is similar, perhaps having the best movement + control of all three. anelka is the same - his chief strengths are pace, movement and skill.

not that that is a bad thing, but we have it already. perhaps anelka is a bit better than what we've got, but i wouldn't say that signing him would really change much about our striking partnership issue - that is that none of our players seem to form a brilliant partnership (in my opinion because their styles of play are too similar).

morientes, on the other hand, doesn't necessarily rely on pace / skill / running into the channels so much. he plays through the middle and can operate as a target man. he is brilliant with his head (which i'm sure a winger like nunez will appreciate) whilst he can also drop deep into "the hole" if required. i can imagine him being very nicely complemented by baros / sinama / cisse.

remember how baros played with koller in the european championships? now that was a strike partnership. note also how baros and cisse never really "clicked" together at the start of the season. they never really showed too many signs of clicking. i can see the same thing happening with anelka.

with morientes happy to play the role of holding up the ball and allowing pacier forwards to feed off him, however, we could really see our other strikers start to flourish. moreover, morientes is that rarity (which koller is not) - a second striker who scores plenty of goals himself.

that is why, like gnurglan, i would really push the boat out to try and get morientes if we can. As i have said elsewhere, anelka would improve us; morientes would transform us.

and i don't buy into that ballague stuff about morientes not being able to hack the physical side of things in the premiership. just ask john terry whether morientes is a powerful striker! he has the physique for this league; and i'm damn sure rafa can harness his desire to play an important role in a team to our benefit.

that is why morientes is benitez's first choice, and, as with so many other decisions, i really cannot fault our gaffer :)
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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #22 on: January 8, 2005, 12:12:06 am »
Great post as usual, look forawrd to seeing your book in rpint, hope it all goes well  :wave

Still think Mori should be first choice and Anelka 2nd. The rest are either unrealistic or jus plain silly
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« Reply #23 on: January 8, 2005, 12:40:29 am »
Well your last article took 16 pages to print out, so a book....?
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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #24 on: January 8, 2005, 09:30:14 am »
Like you i cant wait for the striker issue to be sorted and I wonder what chances we have of getting BOTH Anelka and Morientes!?  :D
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Firstly: Quality post Paul as usual!!! Good Luck with the book...

Secondly: Why can't we get both???  Sign Morientes and bring Anelka in on loan to the end of the season once again (didn't City say they would let him go on loan... whether he would come to us a second time on loan would be a big ???)...

I have a gut feeling that Baros is heading to Barcelona in the summer (hope I'm wrong as I like him and we will get the best out of him playing along side El Moro... not that he's being awful when he's been fit...been banging in the goals)... of which would leave us the chance to snap up Nico (considering that he has played to his potential while on loan)...

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #25 on: January 8, 2005, 09:46:04 am »
I just don't think we have the budget for both, which is a real shame as both are likely to be only a quarter of the fee Rooney cost.

I don't really want to start thinking about Baros leaving - worry about that one if it comes to it.

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #26 on: January 8, 2005, 10:15:30 am »
Probably right about the budget for the two strikers (ain't we still paying a percentage of Diouf's wages while he's with Bolton)... fucken shame... quicker we get rid the better!!!

Would be sad to see Baros go... for sure...
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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #27 on: January 8, 2005, 03:07:28 pm »
It's looking like Morientes now, whicj pleases me enormously. ;D

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #28 on: January 8, 2005, 03:29:00 pm »
I am pro for Morientes at the correct price. I feel that at the moment we are sending in lots of crosses into the box but we lack a strong header of the ball amongst the strikers. Baros .. Cisse and Anelka have pace as their main asset rather than their areial strength. I belive that with Moreintes around he can not only hold up the ball and bring plpe into play, he can also help convert some of the crosses from Finnan and Rise into goals !

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #29 on: January 8, 2005, 03:31:58 pm »
I just don't think we have the budget for both, which is a real shame as both are likely to be only a quarter of the fee Rooney cost.

I don't really want to start thinking about Baros leaving - worry about that one if it comes to it.

absolutely. in an ideal world we would sign both. having four forwards of the calibre of morientes, anelka, cisse and baros to choose from would be dreamland.

but given our financial situation and the situation of the team, we need to take a balanced approach, and improve the team by signing proven quality all over the pitch - and that means saving as much money as possible now and spending it in the summer on, first, a right winger, and second, a pacy central defender.

let's not even think about the possibilities of our best players deciding to leave...
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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #30 on: January 9, 2005, 10:00:13 pm »
Still no news. Morientes played the last four minutes today; Owen played the last three...

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #31 on: January 9, 2005, 10:32:45 pm »
Good read (as usual) Paul.  Have even seen your article on various other sites too  - a wide fan base indeed  ;D  :thumbup

hopefully Mori will be saying his goodbyes now & jetting over to pool in the next 48 hours

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2005, 01:01:52 pm »
Great article!!

Personally I'd like to think that we could get Mori on loan,wait to see if Cisse  recovers well so we don't have to spend too much on a striker.Or if we could get someone young later on.

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2005, 02:20:59 pm »
Article below is from the Liverpool Echo:

Reds still hopeful over Morientes Jan 10 2005

By David Prentice, Liverpool Echo
 

LIVERPOOL are still haggling with Real Madrid over the terms of Fernando Morientes' move to Anfield.

But if the clubs cannot reach a conclusion by the middle of this week, the Reds will drop their interest and look elsewhere.

Chief executive Rick Parry said today: "We remain hopeful of bringing the deal to a conclusion. Further talks took place over the weekend but we are still some way off reaching an agreement."

If the Morientes move failed, Nicolas Anelka's name would again come into the reckoning - with the Manchester City striker again not figuring for his club at the weekend.

But the Reds have dismissed speculation linking them with a move for Crystal Palace's Andy Johnson and Real Madrid goal-keeper Cesar.

The 33-year-old back-up for Iker Casillas said: "For Rafa Benitez I would go away tomorrow - and the same for Liverpool."

It seems that the Reds do not share the player's enthusiasm, however.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/tm_objectid=15059977&method=full&siteid=50061&headline=reds-still-hopeful-over-morientes-name_page.html

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2005, 07:08:43 pm »
i just hope they get somehting sorted soon . i am getting fed up with hearing about it now. i cant think of any other club that consistantly draws out transfers for so long. we always do it ! :no

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2005, 03:11:08 pm »
Lyon reported to have outbid us for Morientes. Rafa was on the radio still confident that we would get him, but saying that we have other options available if the deal falls through.

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2005, 09:15:33 pm »
it will be morientes

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2005, 10:31:14 pm »
it will be morientes

Are you basing that on Sky Sports report tonight?

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2005, 11:40:03 pm »
Torment very, very close to ending..... ;D

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Re: Make this torment end! Which striker will it be?
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2005, 06:27:28 am »
Morientes on brink of Reds move.

About fucking time if you ask me.
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