Topic: Danny Ings

[Gnurglan]

10-plus goals in the league, 15-plus across all competitions

That's a realistic target for him this season. I think a split of 15 for Benteke and 10 each for Sturridge and Ings is reasonable for the league. Right now that sounds easy. But we're talking 35 goals from three players. So basically, one of them has to score every game. Then it's not so easy anymore. Makes it easy to track if we're doing OK or not.

Still think 10+ in the league is a fair target for Ings.

[penga]

Considering probable game time, don't think he will get 10 in the league but in all comps he could. Wouldn't be getting your hopes up after what Balo, Lambert, Borini and to some extent Studge put up last season. It's hard to see him outscoring all of those 4 combined especially as he isn't a 1st choice striker.

Im sure people expected 7-10 goals from Lambo, 10-15 from Balo and 3-5 from Borini. Got nowhere near that. So a decent estimate for Ings would be 7 considering he don't flop.

[Ken-Obi]

17 is the golden number for Benteke.

Those who know, knows.

[diegoLFC7]

20 all competitions. I have a feeling he will have a good Europa League.

[tubby]

20 all competitions. I have a feeling he will have a good Europa League.

He's not a 1 in 2 striker, that would mean he'd be starting or playing in at least 40 matches this season, which I just can't see, unless Sturridge stays on the injury table.

[Chakan]

20 all competitions. I have a feeling he will have a good Europa League.

20 games more likely. So unless he's a 1 in 1 striker I don't see it being anywhere near that.

[diegoLFC7]

20 games more likely. So unless he's a 1 in 1 striker I don't see it being anywhere near that.

Hell get more than 20 games surely. With all the competitions, Sturridge being injured, and Origi settling in, hell play more than 20.

[Chakan]

Hell get more than 20 games surely. With all the competitions, Sturridge being injured, and Origi settling in, hell play more than 20.

Depends if we play 2 strikers or not, which I doubt we will.

[Dubred]

Hell get more than 20 games surely. With all the competitions, Sturridge being injured, and Origi settling in, hell play more than 20.

He'll play more than 20, but how many minutes will he get?

A lot of those games could be a few mins here and there off the bench to replace Benteke.

All that said though, I think he'll do well here.  Has a fantastic attitude and workrate.

I'd be delighted with 10ish goals in all comps from him.

[Henderson Our Hero]

Think he can be Bellamy 2.0

And I am happy with that.

[Melbred]

I think 10+ goals most are touting on here is pretty ambitious when he's likely not going to start for us.

[Simplexity]

5-10 goals which would be a fine return for a 3rd choice striker.

[Gnurglan]

I think 10+ goals most are touting on here is pretty ambitious when he's likely not going to start for us.

We need to be ambitious. Looking at his stats, he's at 0.33 goas/game
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=52481

He'd need to play in 30 games to get 10 goals. I think that's probably more games than we can expect (only talking about league games). Means Ings needs to up his goalscoring a bit. But I think we need to set that kind of target for him. He'll be second pick for about half the season.

[rickardinho1]

We need to be ambitious. Looking at his stats, he's at 0.33 goas/game
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=52481

He'd need to play in 30 games to get 10 goals. I think that's probably more games than we can expect (only talking about league games). Means Ings needs to up his goalscoring a bit. But I think we need to set that kind of target for him. He'll be second pick for about half the season.

*Reply saying that he'll score more playing for us than he ever could for Burnley*

[ElstonGunn]

We need to be ambitious. Looking at his stats, he's at 0.33 goas/game
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=52481

He'd need to play in 30 games to get 10 goals. I think that's probably more games than we can expect (only talking about league games). Means Ings needs to up his goalscoring a bit. But I think we need to set that kind of target for him. He'll be second pick for about half the season.

That's .33 a game while playing 90 minutes most of the time as well, which won't happen here. You'd hope he at least improves his per-minute rate, since he'll be playing as a sub a lot, and strikers tend to thrive as subs. 10 in the league does seem quite ambitious to me though, unless he makes a big impression early and earns more minutes than I expect. 10+ in all competitions, say averaging around .4-.45 per 90 minutes, seems more realistic to me.

[Gnurglan]

That's .33 a game while playing 90 minutes most of the time as well, which won't happen here. You'd hope he at least improves his per-minute rate, since he'll be playing as a sub a lot, and strikers tend to thrive as subs. 10 in the league does seem quite ambitious to me though, unless he makes a big impression early and earns more minutes than I expect. 10+ in all competitions, say averaging around .4-.45 per 90 minutes, seems more realistic to me.

Still think we'll need a split of something like 15-10-10 from Benteke, Sturridge and Ings. For this, I assume Sturridge will play about half the season and Ings is likely to be third pick. The assumption there is Ings will get to play in around 20-25 league games. If he ends up playing less, naturally, we need to expect fewer goals. And the 10 is a rough target. Say he gets 25 games and ends up on 8, I'd say that's OK. If he get 25 games and scores 5, it's below expectations. Something like that.

Your suggestion, that he gets 0.4 goals/90 mins, is another good measurement.

[SerbianScouser]

Say he gets 25 games and ends up on 8, I'd say that's OK. If he get 25 games and scores 5, it's below expectations. Something like that.

There is also a difference if he`s gonna score some goals to break deadlocks or garbage goals in routs. If it`s just the latter then it won`t matter if he scores more of those.

[wemmick]

I have a feeling he'll become our first proper super-sub in some time. His tenacity and smart running is perfect for the latter stages of games, and his finishing seems good enough to bury maybe one chance in three. That'll do nicely. We need a game changer up front. 5-7 goals after 60 minutes would be ideal.

[riismeister]

I'd be very happy if he gets 10 in all competitions. He's our 3rd choice forward and we've got plenty of young attacking talent that will want to get in on that playing time.

[Xanderzone]

How much did we end up paying for him in the end?

[farawayred]

I'd be very happy if he gets 10 in all competitions. He's our 3rd choice forward and we've got plenty of young attacking talent that will want to get in on that playing time.

Considering that he will likely feature quite a bit in the cups and maybe in the EL, I'd expect him to hit 15 at least.

[RideTheWalrus]

Yeah, unless we bomb out of Europe again as we seem to have made into a habit, I'd expect 15 or so.

[xbugawugax]

How much did we end up paying for him in the end?

we have to wait for the tribunal for that. the fee isnt set yet.

[Lolo]

If he gets 8 - 10 in the league, with Origi adding 4 or 5 and Benteke (hopefully)15, that's about 25 more goals than their predecessors managed last season.

......and add a certain Mr. Sturridge's contribution and we could be expecting 35+ more than last season's rather limp effort.

[Miltonred]

For me what matters is if the goals he gets are important. If he comes on late in a game when we need to turn a draw into a win and gets a goal, I'd swap that for a hat trick in a 5-0 win.
The nature of a third striker like this is that they offer something when needed. This is why I always thought Hernandez at United was worth in weight in gold as a super sub.  If Ings can be that guy, then he'll be very important for us.

[Melbred]

I guess for me it is how he copes with not being the main man. Lambert came with a pedigree for being a proven goalscorer, but making the step up to a big club where there is added expectation, without getting the minutes he would normally get, the goals did dry up.

Ings should get a lot more game time than Lambert did for us, but I don't see him scoring as many goals as people think he will. 5-7 goals in the league, and maybe 10 in all comps seems achievable.

[Spraynard Kruger]

I honestly don't expect Ings to play much in the Premier League at the start. I think he'll see a lot of time in the six Europa League group fixtures  and that will be seen as something of a platform for future League involvement. It's basically what happened to Harry Kane last year. I'm not making comparisons there, but its a smart way to get a young player to prove himself without having to perhaps sacrifice quality if the step is too big too early. Although Ings had a good season at Burnley, it's still a different animal making the jump to a club fighting at the opposite end of the table. I think he will prove to be better than Borini or Lambert sooner rather than later, but some patience I think is required before he is ready to contribute consistently in the league.

Before even entertaining the idea of a healthy and consistently available Sturridge, I think Benteke is without a doubt the main man, and I think if the formation choice calls for two up front that it will be Firmino partnering alongside rather than Ings or Origi. It would take an injury to Benteke to get him involved, I think.

[YNWA4Life]

He's not a 1 in 2 striker, that would mean he'd be starting or playing in at least 40 matches this season, which I just can't see, unless Sturridge stays on the injury table.

I like Ings, has the potential to surpass Benteke. He's not a 1 in 2 striker, but definitely has that potential. Not next season but within 2-3.

[Ken-Obi]

I like Ings, has the potential to surpass Benteke. He's not a 1 in 2 striker, but definitely has that potential. Not next season but within 2-3.

Hi, what potential is that - in goals? in height of jump? in facial hair? in tatoo?

[Mr_Shane]

Still he will be useful if we want a goal in the last minutes of the game. We know he will press like mad and when teams park the bus like they usually do, he will most likely be in the penalty box making a nuisance of himself.

[JSteve]

The nature of a third striker like this is that they offer something when needed. This is why I always thought Hernandez at United was worth in weight in gold as a super sub.  If Ings can be that guy, then he'll be very important for us.

Clearly his worth was small.

[PrideofBelfast]

Yeh Hernandez I thought would've been a great addition but that transfer didn't seem to materialise. Lambert failed to impact when brought on and worried Ings, if used in such a manner, will also but cannot see another use for him bar the Europa League etc (which i have stated before i would like us to big gun it and progress safely)

[Too early for flapjacks?]

I’ll stick my neck out and say he’ll pretty much be out favour by the end of the season like Lambert, Borini and Balotelli last season, but obviously hope he proves me wrong.

Yes he works hard but unless he has the capacity improve dramatically by working with better players I just don’t see how he will make an impact even as squad player. Technically average and not a particularly lethal finisher. Both he and William Carvalho were 23 year olds playing in the Euro U21 championship. While Carvalho stood out like a sore thumb as someone playing below their level, Ings just looked dog average.

I do wonder if he wasn’t available on a cut price deal would we have bought him in or even someone else. With us seemingly favouring a 4-3-3 with the occasionally diamond, and having Benteke, Sturridge and Origi as front line strikers and Firmino a very good second striker, I think he (or any other 4th placed striker for that matter) will struggle to make more than 10 starts in all competitions.

I think he’ll get about 5 goals in all completions, mainly from the bench.

[Kaiserred2012]

People forget that Ings is a young striker, yeah he may have been at Burnley blah blah blah, In my opinion he wants to come here and work his arse off, he's a million miles better than Lambert, give the fella a break, he knows he's not gonna be first choice, think he will do really well, player for the team, comes across as he will give his all no matter what. get on his side and stop being so negative! he knows he's got to work hard....not many players around who show passion, this lad does.

[ElstonGunn]

I’ll stick my neck out and say he’ll pretty much be out favour by the end of the season like Lambert, Borini and Balotelli last season, but obviously hope he proves me wrong.

Yes he works hard but unless he has the capacity improve dramatically by working with better players I just don’t see how he will make an impact even as squad player. Technically average and not a particularly lethal finisher. Both he and William Carvalho were 23 year olds playing in the Euro U21 championship. While Carvalho stood out like a sore thumb as someone playing below their level, Ings just looked dog average.

I do wonder if he wasn’t available on a cut price deal would we have bought him in or even someone else. With us seemingly favouring a 4-3-3 with the occasionally diamond, and having Benteke, Sturridge and Origi as front line strikers and Firmino a very good second striker, I think he (or any other 4th placed striker for that matter) will struggle to make more than 10 starts in all competitions.

I think he’ll get about 5 goals in all completions, mainly from the bench.

I like Ings, and generally like the signing, but this isn't at all crazy. He's certainly not a Carvalho (or a Harry Kane). There's a good chance he flops completely.

That said, I think there's a good (but smaller) chance he's worth £25m in two years' time as well.

[Bergersrightwingviews]

Think he can be Bellamy 2.0

And I am happy with that.

Bellamy was a 1 in 3 striker most seasons (which surprised me as I thought he was a lot more prolific) Ings will do very well if he replicates that. I think Bellamy was more skilful and certainly quicker than Ings is.

Oddly, I think Ings will be at his best against big sides when we need everyone to put a shift in defensively. I see him as a poor man's Kuyt.

[Alonso_The_Assassin]

People forget that Ings is a young striker, yeah he may have been at Burnley blah blah blah, In my opinion he wants to come here and work his arse off, he's a million miles better than Lambert, give the fella a break, he knows he's not gonna be first choice, think he will do really well, player for the team, comes across as he will give his all no matter what. get on his side and stop being so negative! he knows he's got to work hard....not many players around who show passion, this lad does.

Pretty much agree with this. Personally, I love the lad's attitude. If only more players could demonstrate his attitude.

[Lolo]

I just hope he doesn't become our next Borini......lots of effort but no real end results.

[houkura]

I’ll stick my neck out and say he’ll pretty much be out favour by the end of the season like Lambert, Borini and Balotelli last season, but obviously hope he proves me wrong.

Yes he works hard but unless he has the capacity improve dramatically by working with better players I just don’t see how he will make an impact even as squad player. Technically average and not a particularly lethal finisher. Both he and William Carvalho were 23 year olds playing in the Euro U21 championship. While Carvalho stood out like a sore thumb as someone playing below their level, Ings just looked dog average.

I do wonder if he wasn’t available on a cut price deal would we have bought him in or even someone else. With us seemingly favouring a 4-3-3 with the occasionally diamond, and having Benteke, Sturridge and Origi as front line strikers and Firmino a very good second striker, I think he (or any other 4th placed striker for that matter) will struggle to make more than 10 starts in all competitions.

I think he’ll get about 5 goals in all completions, mainly from the bench.

Carvalho comparison is absurd. All he did was trot out and pass the ball to his multitude of exceptional attacking players. Ings got nothing in the way of service there. How can they even be compared? I completely disagree with your assessment of how Ings' season will turn out.

[ThePeetmix]

I’ll stick my neck out and say he’ll pretty much be out favour by the end of the season like Lambert, Borini and Balotelli last season, but obviously hope he proves me wrong.

Yes he works hard but unless he has the capacity improve dramatically by working with better players I just don’t see how he will make an impact even as squad player. Technically average and not a particularly lethal finisher. Both he and William Carvalho were 23 year olds playing in the Euro U21 championship. While Carvalho stood out like a sore thumb as someone playing below their level, Ings just looked dog average.

I do wonder if he wasn’t available on a cut price deal would we have bought him in or even someone else. With us seemingly favouring a 4-3-3 with the occasionally diamond, and having Benteke, Sturridge and Origi as front line strikers and Firmino a very good second striker, I think he (or any other 4th placed striker for that matter) will struggle to make more than 10 starts in all competitions.

I think he’ll get about 5 goals in all completions, mainly from the bench.

A good striker won't stand out if his service is non-existant.

A central-midfielder will stand out as they're at the centre of all play. It helps that his team was much better.