Author Topic: Youth and Under 23 Thread (Read 12302481 times)

We had Sergi Canos at Brentford last season, and I love Sergi. I think he has the potential to be an elite wide forward that can press. He loves that side of the game, mentality is fantastic, clever kid.

We talked to Liverpool potentially what to do next year, or this coming season, and Liverpool decided to keep all of their prospects in house as long as possible this summer, to give Klopp and his guys the chance to assess them and how they fit in, building a long-term idea of how all these players might fit in for the future.

I thought that was really clever, because it’s so unusual for a club to do this. Liverpool have a really good pipeline of attacking players coming through, and also they have a top coach named Pepijn Lijnders who moved into the first team squad, but helped polish these guys. You have Sergi, Ojo, Jordon Ibe, etc, but you have to figure out how these guys fit into the plan, now and in the next few years.

http://statsbomb.com/2016/06/rumour-has-it-statsbomb-transfers-podcast-1/

Was probably obvious with the number of friendlies, but looks like a fair few might get a chance in preseason.

rowan_d · « **Reply #88766 on:** June 23, 2016, 06:04:53 pm »

I wonder if football is moving in a direction where very young players will be encouraged to actually enjoy the pressing aspect of the game. If so, maybe it'll come with a rise in general proficiency. In the first team, the difference between players who enjoy pressing and those who do it because they have to is stark, as is the difference between those who are good at it, and those who aren't. Even players who put 100% into it aren't necessarily particularly effective with it.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #88767 on:** June 26, 2016, 01:47:50 am »

Quote from: rowan_d on June 23, 2016, 06:04:53 pm

I wonder if football is moving in a direction where very young players will be encouraged to actually enjoy the pressing aspect of the game. If so, maybe it'll come with a rise in general proficiency. In the first team, the difference between players who enjoy pressing and those who do it because they have to is stark, as is the difference between those who are good at it, and those who aren't. Even players who put 100% into it aren't necessarily particularly effective with it.

Yes, good question.
Reminds me of that Pepin Ljinders interview from a year or so ago, where he talks about how he tells the kids it is their ball and if the other side gets it, we get it back.

Woodburnwonder · « **Reply #88768 on:** June 27, 2016, 01:07:05 am »

I am expecting big things from Coyle, Woodburn, Brewster for the u18 this season.

I think Philips and Chirivella will be outstanding for the u21s. Not sure what we are doing with Trent Alexander Arnold I think playing him at right back is Daft. If the club don't think he will make it as a cm. surely cb would be the best place for the lad.

ThePeetmix · « **Reply #88769 on:** June 27, 2016, 02:48:26 am »

Quote from: Woodburnwonder on June 27, 2016, 01:07:05 am

I am expecting big things from Coyle, Woodburn, Brewster for the u18 this season.

I think Philips and Chirivella will be outstanding for the u21s. Not sure what we are doing with Trent Alexander Arnold I think playing him at right back is Daft. If the club don't think he will make it as a cm. surely cb would be the best place for the lad.

Out of the number of positions Trent AA has played, he lasts certainly looked best as a right back. That's why the club see his future there. He has that engine to get up and down well, is a good defender, supports the attack well and has some height to help him in the air.

Also it's no secret that you're a lot more likely to get game time as a right back than as a centre-back, so it also makes sense to really work hard on his game at full back, get himself involved in the first team squad. There's no reason at all later down the line he still might well be an asset as a centre back.

Aceldama · « **Reply #88770 on:** June 28, 2016, 10:22:32 pm »

Stephane Henchoz has been talking about how money is ruining English youth development today and this example he gave jumped out at me:

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At Easter, I spent a week at the Liverpool academy. I watched the workouts and, clearly, a 12-year-old stood out. One of the coaches told me that Manchester City had offered 60,000 francs to engage. Double the annual salary of his father, an electrician.

Reminded me of this from a Tottenham coach earlier this year:

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One club in the PL is paying £24,000 a year for a 9 year old and one of the 16 y.o lads at Spurs (Edwards?) was offered £250,000 to go up North (City?) Spurs were honest with the player that they we not going to do that, you stay here and get your £30,000 but if you want to go, go and all the time [the coach] has to fight against the corruption and business interest of the game.

Chris~ · « **Reply #88771 on:** June 28, 2016, 11:03:06 pm »

Thats not really surprising. Interested in knowing if Henchoz was just visiting or doing something for his coaching badges.

Teigen · « **Reply #88772 on:** June 29, 2016, 08:42:05 pm »

Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet are running a story about Edvard Sandvik Tagseth, a 15 year old who signed for Liverpool last year. He is being described as the biggest talent from Norway in modern times, and he's even more complete than Martin Odegaard (Real Madrid) was at the same age.
He will move to Liverpool in January 2017 where he'll play with U16 team.
Probably a bit early to get too excited about this, but it will be interesting to follow this boy in a couple of years.

link to article: http://www.dagbladet.no/sport/edvard-15-omtales-som-norges-storste-talent-i-nyere-tid-det-inkluderer-martin-odegaard/60258181

Welshred · « **Reply #88773 on:** June 29, 2016, 09:39:43 pm »

Quote from: Aceldama on June 28, 2016, 10:22:32 pm

Stephane Henchoz has been talking about how money is ruining English youth development today and this example he gave jumped out at me:

Reminded me of this from a Tottenham coach earlier this year:

This isn't new. Back in the 70s and 80s clubs would offer parents jobs and a house to move them up there. Before Paul Gascoigne signed for Spurs he went back and fore between them and Man Utd to see how many members of his family he could bag a brand new car for.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #88774 on:** June 29, 2016, 10:21:04 pm »

Quote from: Teigen on June 29, 2016, 08:42:05 pm

Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet are running a story about Edvard Sandvik Tagseth, a 15 year old who signed for Liverpool last year. He is being described as the biggest talent from Norway in modern times, and he's even more complete than Martin Odegaard (Real Madrid) was at the same age.
He will move to Liverpool in January 2017 where he'll play with U16 team.
Probably a bit early to get too excited about this, but it will be interesting to follow this boy in a couple of years.

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TALENT FULL: Edvard Sandvik Tagseth this week on national team in Porsgrunn. Photo: John T. Pedersen / Dagbladet more
Edward (15) referred to as the largest talent in recent times. It includes Martin Ødegaard
- He's almost scary complete.

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Porsgrunn (Dagbladet): - I always wanted to be a footballer. It's something I've been conscious of.

It's national team in Porsgrunn. Some of the biggest talents in progress with a game sequence on Kjølnes Athletic Park. 15 year old Edvard Sandvik Tagseth dropper right shoulder down to the ground, before following a fast weight transfer to jerk left. Opponent-back can not keep up. Tactician shift to the little winger is too fast.

With 30 meters of green grass in front of him accelerates Sandvik Tagseth further. The ball is passed never more than a few centimeters in front of left foot at a time. Her gaze lifted. On the back post looks G15 national team player with his team mates. Seconds later turned the ball between defense and goalkeeper with great precision before the magnificent crossbar traded in scoring a slight later.

BALL ARTIST: How referred Sandvik Tagseth. Photo: John T. Pedersen / Dagbladet more
- Extremely talent

The ability to create an imbalance in your opponent is a rare and coveted commodity in football. That is one reason that Liverpool got Sandvik Tagseth to commit to the club on a 4-year contract already in August last year.

NFF talent manager Håkon Grøttland (35) rattles pop up several causes for the English and several other top European teams' interest. From 2010 to 2014 followed 35-year-old Martin Ødegaard (17) carefully as talent develops in Buskerud SoccerCircle, and we all know drammenserens almost fairy-tale-like story that took him from the swift to Santiago Bernabeu Stadium. Grøttland believes that Sandvik Tagseth is more perfect than Ødegaard was the same age, ie year before Real Madrid player debuted in the Premier League and the national team.

- Edward is an extremely talented. He is farther than it Ødegaard was. It is dangerous to say, but he's very much of it Ødegaard had and some more. He's almost scary complete to be so young, tells Grøttland Dagbladet.

TALENT MANAGER: NFF Hakon Grøttland on gathering in Porsgrunn. Photo: John T. Pedersen / Dagbladet more
Signed by Liverpool and Nike
Nike has also become aware of Sandvik Tagseth. Dagbladet stated last year that global equipment supplier had reached an agreement with Ødegaard , as they have done with the youngster from Frosta in Nord-Trondelag. In the sunshine in Porsgrunn is Sandvik Tagseth wearing orange boots of the same type as, among others, Cristiano Ronaldo (31) uses. According Trønder-Avisa involves contract that Sandvik Tagseth receive clothing, shoes and an annual sum of money to front Nike until 2019.

SPONSORED BY NIKE: Sandvik Tagseth had orange Nike boots on training in Porsgrunn. Photo: John T. Pedersen / Dagbladet more
The deal is remarkable for a 15 year old but super talent takes the accompanying attention and praise from the outside world with peace. Instead of thinking about the next skobestilling, focuses Sandvik Tagseth to perform on the pitch. Currently he commute to Liverpool two weeks at a time every month. In January 2017 residence address solely on Merseyside, where he enjoys working in games for favorite club G15- and G16-crew.

- It goes very well in Liverpool. The quality is high, so I get developed me well there. It's different than in Norway. There is a better level, more professional and more demanding physically, but I feel I have handled it well, says Sandvik Tagseth.

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Grøttland and G15 coach Gunnar Halle concur that Sandvik Tagseth probably is the best player who has been inside the NFF system in recent times. Left edge has been good having started to work systematically with technical exercises already as quad age - at home in a barn that dad had turned into a turf hall.

THRIVE ON SHARING: Sandvik Tagseth appreciate being on the G15 team. Photo: John T. Pedersen / Dagbladet more
Now NFF coaches cherish jewel her in the hope that Sandvik Tagseth few years can become a real star for Norwegian national team. Shortly would therefore go a delegation comprising among others Halle, Jarl Torske and circuit responsible Trondelag to Liverpool. The journey is part of an attempt to optimize the approach around the player that is both a facilitator and scorer.

- It must be very exciting to get into one of the world's biggest clubs. I think Liverpool is a good choice. One would think they have a device that will take care of him. The most important thing for Edward now is that he gets the most possible good weekdays, it is not too much travel and appearances, believes Grøttland itself.

Followed up by Liverpool legend
In England, former Liverpool player Steve Heighway among men who govern everyday to Trønder. Iren played over 300 matches for red Royen from 1970 to 1981 and was director of the academy when names like Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher broke through.

If Sandvik Tagseth continuing development, he believes that the chance will come also for him. So far, 15-year-old impressed large. Among others go Found in revel form when Liverpool's youth teams competed in Dubai in February. In May ravaged him again, then to Norway during a 12-nations tournament in Central Europe. In battle with some of the foremost talents of countries like Brazil, England, Italy and Croatia were Sandvik Tagseth one of the stars, says Halle.

G15 TRAINER: Teams legend Gunnar Halle is the development of the next generation of players which hopefully will contribute to Norway in the future.

- He is an amazing talent. We saw it when we played down there, he was one of the best in the tournament. The important thing now is that both he and the others we have on the team is earthy. It requires a lot of bragging rights. He has not started with senior football even, but I have great faith in him. Edvard're fantastic to speed, walk past people and create an imbalance. In addition he is both learning and training willing, said the former Leeds full-back.

- It's the combination of being a small artist offensively and one that does the job defensively which is very exciting, supplementing Grøttland.

smurfinaus · « **Reply #88775 on:** June 30, 2016, 01:23:32 am »

Few Q's

is there a reason why we have so few genuine strikers at youth level? (Sinclair seemed the only option last season -- or at the rest too young or not ready to step up?)
Any promising CM's or CB's coming through? Oh and we could do with a genuine good LB....

psycllone · « **Reply #88776 on:** June 30, 2016, 10:26:48 am »

Sinclair's off

tubby · « **Reply #88777 on:** June 30, 2016, 10:39:58 am »

I just remembered Tiago Ilori exists.

gazzalfc · « **Reply #88778 on:** June 30, 2016, 11:29:28 am »

The fact the club aren't letting the fee get settled via a tribunal means we must be getting more than fair terms (fee, sell on etc).

PeterTheRed ... · « **Reply #88779 on:** June 30, 2016, 01:29:00 pm »

Do Liverpool have Jerome Sinclair's replacement ready and waiting?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-jerome-sinclairs-replacement-ready-11547847

Nessy76 · « **Reply #88780 on:** June 30, 2016, 03:49:13 pm »

If I read that story correctly, Eddie "Sandy" Toxteth is a left winger? Youtube has nothing recent that I could find.

Chris~ · « **Reply #88781 on:** June 30, 2016, 04:01:49 pm »

Quote from: Chris~ on March 26, 2016, 02:43:04 pm

Full match vs Milan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN9TSKVV3C0

Looks like Tagseth is number 11. Think Glatzel, Dixon-Bonner, Longstaff and Curtis Jones are starting as well.

If you have the time to watch the full thing.

HopefulRed · « **Reply #88782 on:** June 30, 2016, 08:51:00 pm »

Apparently Andy Firth hasn't been released either.

‏@MichaelBeale tweets Congrats Andy.

Teigen · « **Reply #88783 on:** June 30, 2016, 09:43:25 pm »

Quote from: Nessy76 on June 30, 2016, 03:49:13 pm

If I read that story correctly, Eddie "Sandy" Toxteth is a left winger? Youtube has nothing recent that I could find.

Some clips here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ef36qYqaHIo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=CtYn2llwRXg

Most of these kids are below average, but it's easy to see tha this kid is special.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #88784 on:** June 30, 2016, 09:49:37 pm »

Quote from: Teigen on June 30, 2016, 09:43:25 pm

Some clips here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ef36qYqaHIo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=CtYn2llwRXg

Most of these kids are below average, but it's easy to see tha this kid is special.

Yeah, thanks for sharing.

Both of those are a year old, though, just wondering if there was footage from the last year rather than the one before?

Ratboy3G · « **Reply #88785 on:** July 1, 2016, 12:07:31 pm »

Vigeroux to Swindon has been confirmed, good news for both sides.

dakid · « **Reply #88786 on:** July 1, 2016, 03:01:11 pm »

Quote from: HopefulRed on June 30, 2016, 08:51:00 pm

Apparently Andy Firth hasn't been released either.

‏@MichaelBeale tweets Congrats Andy.

Another player kept on just to make up the numbers i would say. The same with the contract for Brewitt.

SkySportsNewsToo · « **Reply #88787 on:** July 3, 2016, 11:40:19 am »

Hope we do add some class u-18 players this summer.

In such a bad mood looking at united signing three top talents from Pachuca. Irritates me to the worse.

Sarge · « **Reply #88788 on:** July 3, 2016, 05:01:28 pm »

At Liverpool Academy this year Bobby Adekanye & Toni Gomes both 17 years old are my two to watch out for this Season.

Medellin · « **Reply #88789 on:** July 3, 2016, 06:55:02 pm »

Quote from: Sarge on July 3, 2016, 05:01:28 pm

At Liverpool Academy this year Bobby Adekanye & Toni Gomes both 17 years old are my two to watch out for this Season.

Yep,looking forward to seeing Gomez develop.
Ovie Ejaria looks to be one for the future too.

Sarge · « **Reply #88790 on:** July 3, 2016, 07:50:18 pm »

Quote from: Medellin on July 3, 2016, 06:55:02 pm

Yep,looking forward to seeing Gomez develop.
Ovie Ejaria looks to be one for the future too.

Do tell.

Medellin · « **Reply #88791 on:** July 3, 2016, 08:00:43 pm »

Quote from: Sarge on July 3, 2016, 07:50:18 pm

Do tell.

From what I have seen he seems to have a sort of confident swagger to his game.
I don't see him breaking through next term,but has great ability.
Another year & I reckon he'll be on the fringes.
Early long shot comparison if there was one,maybe a Kanu in the making.

DanA · « **Reply #88792 on:** July 4, 2016, 07:36:38 am »

Could be a good U21 side.

Ward
Randall Masterson Brewitt Smith
Arnold Philips
Adekanye Dhanda Ejaria
Gomes

Seems like that's a mixture of the best players from last years u18's and a few guys in the first team that probably won't see game time. I quite like the look of all of them actually.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #88793 on:** July 4, 2016, 11:36:21 am »

Quote from: DanA on July 4, 2016, 07:36:38 am

Could be a good U21 side.

Ward
Randall Masterson Brewitt Smith
Arnold Philips
Adekanye Dhanda Ejaria
Gomes

Seems like that's a mixture of the best players from last years u18's and a few guys in the first team that probably won't see game time. I quite like the look of all of them actually.

Ward should be playing first team football somewhere.

Djimi Smicer34 · « **Reply #88794 on:** July 4, 2016, 11:58:06 am »

Quote from: Nessy76 on July 4, 2016, 11:36:21 am

Ward should be playing first team football somewhere.

Smith too, whether it's on loan or permanently.

Suareznumber7 · « **Reply #88795 on:** July 4, 2016, 12:53:57 pm »

Quote from: DanA on July 4, 2016, 07:36:38 am

Could be a good U21 side.

Ward
Randall Masterson Brewitt Smith
Arnold Philips
Adekanye Dhanda Ejaria
Gomes

Seems like that's a mixture of the best players from last years u18's and a few guys in the first team that probably won't see game time. I quite like the look of all of them actually.

There's quite a few who have made the transition to the 1st team that will need games with the U21's this year as well. Ojo, Ibe, Brannagan, Stewart, Chirevella, Canos (if he's here). Anyone else I'm missing?

HopefulRed · « **Reply #88796 on:** July 4, 2016, 01:03:53 pm »

Quote from: Suareznumber7 on July 4, 2016, 12:53:57 pm

There's quite a few who have made the transition to the 1st team that will need games with the U21's this year as well. Ojo, Ibe, Brannagan, Stewart, Chirevella, Canos (if he's here). Anyone else I'm missing?

Unless they go out on loan or are sold Lloyd Jones, Jordan Williams, Ryan Kent. That doesn't include Harry Wilson who doesn't yet appear on teh first team squad page on LFC site, and I'm not including Jack Dunn because I think pending fitness, he'll almost definitely go out on loan.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #88797 on:** July 4, 2016, 01:08:22 pm »

Quote from: Suareznumber7 on July 4, 2016, 12:53:57 pm

There's quite a few who have made the transition to the 1st team that will need games with the U21's this year as well. Ojo, Ibe, Brannagan, Stewart, Chirevella, Canos (if he's here). Anyone else I'm missing?

Which brings us back to the shortage of games. Ojo, Ibe, Canos, Wilson, Kent, all competing with Adekanye and Ejaria, they'll be lucky to get four games each all season.

Suareznumber7 · « **Reply #88798 on:** July 4, 2016, 01:19:09 pm »

Quote from: Nessy76 on July 4, 2016, 01:08:22 pm

Which brings us back to the shortage of games. Ojo, Ibe, Canos, Wilson, Kent, all competing with Adekanye and Ejaria, they'll be lucky to get four games each all season.

I hope someone behind the scenes is hard at work scheduling extra games for that group otherwise, like you said, they'll all get about 4 games each.

JakeJoe · « **Reply #88799 on:** July 4, 2016, 03:50:08 pm »

And Man City signs our u16s GK Louie Moulden.