Topic: The Journeyman Draft II - Marcus Bent edition - Discussion Thread

[Hazell]

I thought it was pretty much a given that we would be judging them for their PL careers. What is the point in making a specific PL era draft when you can you judge them outside of that era or league legacy?

I put those players as examples of great players who didn't do much on their time in the league.

Yeah me too. Certainly wouldn't have picked Le Tissier in that case. Oh well, I guess it makes things a little easier

[Klippity Klopp]

Certainly wouldn't have picked Le Tissier in that case. Oh well, I guess it makes things a little easier

He's a great pick regardless IMO.

[Lawnmowerman]

We're judging them as the player, not what they did in the league.

Unbelievable Jeff

[Betty Blue]

Calling myself out of this draft, guys. Judging players on non-Premier League form in a Premier draft is total and complete bullshit. Not worth my time.

[Klippity Klopp]

Unbelievable Jeff

You're not even playing, trouble maker! 

The best way of dealing with the cheesy picks - is allowing them.

[Lawnmowerman]

Calling myself out of this draft, guys. Judging players on non-Premier League form in a Premier draft is total and complete bullshit. Not worth my time.

you had Zola an all. Superb pick in 16th for an English League draft

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

Calling myself out of this draft, guys. Judging players on non-Premier League form in a Premier draft is total and complete bullshit. Not worth my time.

people can pick however they want, but yeah i agree it should only be PL form and that's how I'll pick my players. Picking someone like, Desailly . Weah or someone like Salgado and getting their earlier careers just doesn't make sense

[Klippity Klopp]

Calling myself out of this draft, guys. Judging players on non-Premier League form in a Premier draft is total and complete bullshit. Not worth my time.

WTF?  You've got two quality picks.

Whats the issue?  No one mentioned this before the draft when I asked for questions. 

People love drama! 

Edit - Di Canio has used up a lot of clubs, but that would have been the same regardless of which way we judged the players.  I really don't see the issue.  People interprepted it differently.  Surely it is better to stick with the way allowing some like Zlatan judged at his best (given that how a lot of people will vote anyway).  Rather than making picks like that seem really bad now, as all the other picks have been quality anyway.

For the ease of the draft, why can't we do that? 

[Betty Blue]

you had Zola an all. Superb pick in 16th for an English League draft

That's 4. I've got Vieira and Di Canio. Nothing to do with how good or not my picks currently are. I just think this is a complete mess and makes absolutely no sense. Defeats the purpose of doing a Premier League draft in the first place. I'm going to pick Shevchenko next. He was fucking great for Chelsea.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

WTF?  You've got two quality picks.

Whats the issue?  No one mentioned this before the draft when I asked for questions. 

People love drama!

we've done so many drafts on here, so by now it's assumed that if you do a draft on a specific league, then it's only form for that league that counts

[Klippity Klopp]

we've done so many drafts on here, so by now it's assumed that if you do a draft on a specific league, then it's only form for that league that counts

I can totally get the confusion on both sides. 

I probably should have clarified it in the rules, then again people should have asked.

I just want to find the best way to proceed and everyone being happy.

I agree with Betty it is a mess now, just like the last draft.

[tubby]

So what are we doing, should we keep picking? What are we judging on?

[Klippity Klopp]

OK how does this sound?

We judge on how good they were in the Premier League.

But we will allow people to change the picks they made up til now if they want.

So I can change Davids, 'Mondzz' can change Ibrahimovic and if anyone else wants to they can. As those two wouldn't have been picked otherwise.

Then we can crack on as usual.

All agree?

[Rysoph76]

sounds fair to me. I picked on the basis of PL so i'm fine with mine 

[Lastrador]

Fine with me.

[XabiArt]

Thats fine by me.

I was going to make a complete mockery of the rules anyway and get Jerome Boateng in instead of Stam.

[Klippity Klopp]

I've changed Davids to Mahrez.

[Greatness]

Thats fine by me.

I was going to make a complete mockery of the rules anyway and get Jerome Boateng in instead of Stam.

Completely forgot he played for Man City

[XabiArt]

I was planning a backline of Salgado Hierro Boateng and er Jose Enrique

[tubby]

Sounds good. Someone PM me when I'm up.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

I was planning a backline of Salgado Hierro Boateng and er Jose Enrique

                                Valdes

      Salgado      Hierro         Boateng       van Bronkhorst



                     Davids                 Cambiasso

                                   Gullit                       


     B. Laudrup                                               Barnes
                                 Shevchenko

Subs:
Desailly

Blanc

Weah

Veron

Pique

X

X


you see the problem Klippity

[Klippity Klopp]

you see the problem Klippity

I don't, no.

It's the same rules for everyone, so anyone could pick those players and they'd be great picks.

But due to the confusion I'm happy to go the other route.

I think either could have worked, but it should have been communicated better at the beginning.

It's sorted now anyway.

[XabiArt]

How is Gerard Pique, with his 12 premier league games a great pick? I would vote a team with Ragnar Klavan at centre back above a team that he is in.

[XabiArt]

Like you say, its sorted now anyway.

[Klippity Klopp]

Rysoph76 - Peter Schmeichel (Manchester United, Aston Villa & Manchester City), Robbie Fowler (Liverpool, Leeds United, Manchester City & Blackburn)

You can't have Fowler - sorry.

[Rysoph76]

Yeah sorry, what a plank! give me 2 mins and i'll do another

[Rysoph76]

Rysoph76 - Peter Schmeichel (Manchester United, Aston Villa & Manchester City), Robbie Fowler (Liverpool, Leeds United, Manchester City & Blackburn)

You can't have Fowler - sorry.

Sorted now but have wiped out about 8 potential teams in the process! 

[Klippity Klopp]

Selections

JSteve - Alan Shearer (Blackburn & Newcastle), Javier Mascherano (West Ham & Liverpool), David Silva (Manchester City)

XabiArt - Thierry Henry (Arsenal), Michael Essien (Chelsea), Jaap Stam (Manchester United)

KingLuis10 - Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United), Yaya Toure (Manchester City), Arjen Robben (Chelsea)

tubby - Luis Suarez (Liverpool), John Terry (Chelsea)

Lfsea - Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Ryan Giggs (Manchester United)

Klippity Klopp - Alexis Sánchez (Arsenal), Riyad Mahrez (Leicester)

Vishwa Atma - Gareth Bale (Southampton & Tottenham), Steve McManaman (Liverpool & Manchester City)

Eel Lobo - Dennis Bergkamp (Arsenal), Claude Makélélé (Chelsea)

Greatness - Didier Drogba (Chelsea), David Ginola (Newcastle United, Tottenham, Aston Villa & Everton)

Lastrador - Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United), Robert Pires (Arsenal & Aston Villa)

Hazell - Roy Keane (Manchester United & Nottingham Forest), Matthew Le Tissier (Southampton)

Betty Blue - Patrick Vieira (Arsenal & Manchester City), Paolo Di Canio (Sheffield Wednesday, West Ham United & Charlton Athletic)

'Mondzz' - Zlatan Ibrahimović (Manchester United), One pick outstanding

Rysoph76 - Peter Schmeichel (Manchester United, Aston Villa & Manchester City), Les Ferdinand (QPR, Newcastle United, Tottenham, West Ham, Leicester City & Bolton)

Sir Psycho Sexy - Sergio Agüero (Manchester City), Paul Scholes (Manchester United)

4 - Gianfranco Zola (Chelsea) & Xabi Alonso (Liverpool)

[XabiArt]

Sorted now but have wiped out about 8 potential teams in the process! 

Interesting picks.

You are going to be struggling come pick number 9 and you're trying to find a former southampton or leeds player who hasnt also played for another one of your teams!

[tubby]

Gonna pick, we should be good to go now, right?

[Klippity Klopp]

Can I leave my pick with someone?

[Lfsea]

Cole, Giggs, Stevie.

Deece.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

That Cole picture 

[Hazell]

Who's go is it?

[Klippity Klopp]

Who's go is it?

I picked at 6pm so:

Vishwa Atma - 7pm
Eel Lobo - 8pm
Greatness - 9pm

Currently Eel Lobo, but Greatness at 9pm.

[Rysoph76]

Interesting picks.

You are going to be struggling come pick number 9 and you're trying to find a former southampton or leeds player who hasnt also played for another one of your teams!

I was trying to think of any half way decent Swindon players when I was riding home from work because I have completely limited myself!

[Lastrador]

So I'm up?

[Lfsea]

Still can't work out how it's possible to miss a go on these when everyone's got a Smartphone these days and RAWK emails you when you get a PM.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

Still can't work out how it's possible to miss a go on these when everyone's got a Smartphone these days and RAWK emails you when you get a PM.

Timezones

[Lastrador]

Timezones

Wonder what timezone is Mondzz on, Pluto's?