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« Reply #44840 on: February 24, 2017, 09:43:25 pm »
the girl on a train is just too mundane, don't bother with it

most on here will have seen captain fantastic, thought it was excellent, a little cheesy at times but that's part of it's charm
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« Reply #44841 on: February 25, 2017, 07:29:55 pm »
Very stiff competition yes, but Arsenal may just about be Nic Cage's worst ever performance....I say may because its possible saving grace is it's sooo screamy, shouty over the fuckin top that it topples over into absolute laugh out loud guffaws - I assume unintentionally?...but with Cage you never know...and his physical appearance in it - part DI Fowler / part Jonathan Ross - only adds to the hilarity....other than that its yer standard (very) violent mob-porn flick.....just about worth watching if you've got absolutely fuckall else to do*







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« Reply #44842 on: February 26, 2017, 07:03:59 am »
nah out of them Lion was loads better was kinda let down by MBTS mainly as a friend bigged it up and pushed so much to watch it.

I really liked Lion too and the little kid was incredibly good. But I thought for a film so full of drama, the best scene was actually one of levity. There's lots of good stuff in there, but in the end it's a far more straightforward story. That's why I think I loved Manchester by the Sea. I think that town became a character of its own. The people in the film lived and breathed a certain almost tangible spirit into it. Casey Affleck was stunningly good. And it's an extremely complex story, which is reflected in the complexity of emotions in it. I don't think Lion is anywhere near as ambitious and a film like MBTS could bomb given what it's trying to achieve, but instead it comes through brilliantly. Thought it was a real winner.

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« Reply #44843 on: February 26, 2017, 10:06:36 am »

nonsense, it's a terrific movie ...with the emphasis on the movie...its a pure cinematic experience, looks great, sounds great and manages to be both a classic homage and a contemporary Indie romance,,,,not an easy feat to pull off but it succeeds. Seen it twice and will quite happily watch it again.....hopefully after its cleaned up on Sunday night
For the conservative academy, its absolutely the kind of film that satiates them. I'd go as far to say that if the leads were unknowns, I don't think it would have got half the buzz that it was getting...especially in promotion, as people were talking about that film for so long because of Stone and Gosling ( 2 great talents, no doubt about that ).

But it didn't push any boundries...it didn't really tell a story that hasn't already been told...it wasn't as if the musical aspect of it was astounding. It was just good enough to appeal to enough people and not offend anyone. The Jimmy Fallon of films.
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« Reply #44844 on: February 26, 2017, 12:05:24 pm »
Lion...what a movie!
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« Reply #44845 on: February 26, 2017, 12:43:20 pm »
For the conservative academy, its absolutely the kind of film that satiates them. I'd go as far to say that if the leads were unknowns, I don't think it would have got half the buzz that it was getting...especially in promotion, as people were talking about that film for so long because of Stone and Gosling ( 2 great talents, no doubt about that ).

But it didn't push any boundries...it didn't really tell a story that hasn't already been told...it wasn't as if the musical aspect of it was astounding. It was just good enough to appeal to enough people and not offend anyone. The Jimmy Fallon of films.
But ofcourse, a lot of people like him as well.

Not sure what Oscar ceremonies you've watched in recent years?...but to suggest that LaLa Land is typical of the kind of films that the academy usually drool over is i'm afraid absolute bollocks....what actually sets it apart is that it has none of the worthy pretentiousness they generally drop their kecks for...no tragic historical figures...no oppressed groups fighting adversity....no humanitarian trouble and strife....no pseudo liberal crywanking.......and that's what makes it so refreshing......its a genuine cinematic experience, full of colour,  joy and heartache....Chazelle manages to put a contemporary twist on the tropes and traditions of the Hollywood musical, playing with it, creating a critique of and a homage to the genre .....essentially its a very clever, bittersweet Indie-romance...with additional singing and dancing.....and far from being the vanilla-appeal to all, Glee on the bigscreen that you make it sound, its actually the most experimental movie in this years shortlist.....what surprises me is how such a niche and seemingly unfashionable sub-genre flick has managed to connect with both the masses and the critics..it's the sign of a masterful film-maker, which Chazelle undoubtedly is ....and following Whiplash - which similarly subverted the inspirational teacher genre - I cant wait to see what he'll come up with next.
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« Reply #44846 on: February 26, 2017, 01:00:42 pm »
Just watched T2 Trainspotting. Enjoyed it a lot and so did my friends who I had convinced to watch the first one in the last couple of days. They all thoroughly enjoyed it. The soundtrack wasn't as inspired as the original, but still quite good. Just an excellent cinematic experience on the whole.
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« Reply #44847 on: February 26, 2017, 01:01:52 pm »
Not sure what Oscar ceremonies you've watched in recent years?...but to suggest that LaLa Land is typical of the kind of films that the academy usually drool over is i'm afraid absolute bollocks....what actually sets it apart is that it has none of the worthy pretentiousness they generally drop their kecks for...no tragic historical figures...no oppressed groups fighting adversity....no humanitarian trouble and strife....no pseudo liberal crywanking.......and that's what makes it so refreshing......its a genuine cinematic experience, full of colour,  joy and heartache....Chazelle manages to put a contemporary twist on the tropes and traditions of the Hollywood musical, playing with it, creating a critique of and a homage to the genre .....essentially its a very clever, bittersweet Indie-romance...with additional singing and dancing.....and far from being the vanilla-appeal to all, Glee on the bigscreen that you make it sound, its actually the most experimental movie in this years shortlist.....what surprises me is how such a niche and seemingly unfashionable sub-genre flick has managed to connect with both the masses and the critics..it's the sign of a masterful film-maker, which Chazelle undoubtedly is ....and following Whiplash - which similarly subverted the inspirational teacher genre - I cant wait to see what he'll come up with next.

I'm not going to argue whether or not the movie is good or bad because that's subjective but it is exactly the type of movie the academy drools over and that isn't subjective.
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« Reply #44848 on: February 26, 2017, 01:11:32 pm »
I'm not going to argue whether or not the movie is good or bad because that's subjective but it is exactly the type of movie the academy drools over and that isn't subjective.

Previous 15 Best Oscar pictures:

2015 - "Spotlight"
2014 - "Birdman"
2013 - "12 Years a Slave"
2012 - "Argo"
2011 - "The Artist"
2010 - "The King's Speech"
2009 - "The Hurt Locker"
2008 - "Slumdog Millionaire"
2007 - "No Country for Old Men"
2006 - "The Departed"
2005 - "Crash"
2004 - "Million Dollar Baby"
2003 - "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King"
2002 - "Chicago"
2001 - "A Beautiful Mind"


Tell me which of those is 'exactly' the type of movie La La Land is.
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« Reply #44849 on: February 26, 2017, 01:15:50 pm »
Not sure what Oscar ceremonies you've watched in recent years?...but to suggest that LaLa Land is typical of the kind of films that the academy usually drool over is i'm afraid absolute bollocks....what actually sets it apart is that it has none of the worthy pretentiousness they generally drop their kecks for...no tragic historical figures...no oppressed groups fighting adversity....no humanitarian trouble and strife....no pseudo liberal crywanking.......and that's what makes it so refreshing......its a genuine cinematic experience, full of colour,  joy and heartache....Chazelle manages to put a contemporary twist on the tropes and traditions of the Hollywood musical, playing with it, creating a critique of and a homage to the genre .....essentially its a very clever, bittersweet Indie-romance...with additional singing and dancing.....and far from being the vanilla-appeal to all, Glee on the bigscreen that you make it sound, its actually the most experimental movie in this years shortlist.....what surprises me is how such a niche and seemingly unfashionable sub-genre flick has managed to connect with both the masses and the critics..it's the sign of a masterful film-maker, which Chazelle undoubtedly is ....and following Whiplash - which similarly subverted the inspirational teacher genre - I cant wait to see what he'll come up with next.
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« Reply #44850 on: February 26, 2017, 01:40:51 pm »
Previous 15 Best Oscar pictures:

2015 - "Spotlight"
2014 - "Birdman"
2013 - "12 Years a Slave"
2012 - "Argo"
2011 - "The Artist"
2010 - "The King's Speech"
2009 - "The Hurt Locker"
2008 - "Slumdog Millionaire"
2007 - "No Country for Old Men"
2006 - "The Departed"
2005 - "Crash"
2004 - "Million Dollar Baby"
2003 - "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King"
2002 - "Chicago"
2001 - "A Beautiful Mind"


Tell me which of those is 'exactly' the type of movie La La Land is.

You said the "type of movie the academy drools over", so Argo, The Artist and Birdman. Here's a bunch of people talking about how the academy drools over movies like La La Land:

http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/film/reviews/a11167/review-la-la-land/

http://livingchurch.org/covenant/2017/02/25/navel-gazing-in-la-la-land/

https://www.varsity.co.uk/reviews/11736

https://thefederalist.com/2017/02/24/la-la-land-hollow-no-wonder-hollywood-loves/

Basically: Hollywood lives movies about how Hollywood is awesome. Simple.
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« Reply #44851 on: February 26, 2017, 07:00:41 pm »
You said the "type of movie the academy drools over", so Argo, The Artist and Birdman. Here's a bunch of people talking about how the academy drools over movies like La La Land:

http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/film/reviews/a11167/review-la-la-land/

http://livingchurch.org/covenant/2017/02/25/navel-gazing-in-la-la-land/

https://www.varsity.co.uk/reviews/11736

https://thefederalist.com/2017/02/24/la-la-land-hollow-no-wonder-hollywood-loves/

Basically: Hollywood lives movies about how Hollywood is awesome. Simple.


yeah sure it is  ;D.....sorry, its often trotted out but it doesn't stand up to much scrutiny ..ie, in the last fifteen years you've found a total of 3 films that could be shoehorned into your description ....lets widen the search....go back to 1990

2000 - "Gladiator"
1999 - "American Beauty"
1998 - "Shakespeare in Love"
1997 - "Titanic"
1996 - "The English Patient"
1995 - "Braveheart"
1994 - "Forrest Gump"
1993 - "Schindler’s List"
1992 - "Unforgiven"
1991 - "The Silence of the Lambs"
1990 - "Dances With Wolves"


None of which fit the brief either....so for a quarter of a century (and way beyond if you care to look) ...there's been 3 films that could loosely - and not at all in the case of Birdman - be described as glorifying Hollywood.

btw, did you actually read the articles you Googlewhacked?...two are from right-wing / religious think tanks....and the other two loved it

It's the sound and the spectacle that will leave you feeling like you've just witnessed a near-perfect piece of cinema.

it is precisely this acknowledgement of the hardships, as well as the magical unreality, of life in the city of angels which gives La La Land its subtle and enchanting yet bittersweet feeling. It is this which means that praise for it is deserved and not merely a symptom of the ruling cinematic elite.

..couldn't agree more
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« Reply #44852 on: February 26, 2017, 07:23:15 pm »


Get Out is great fun!

Looks like it's not out in the UK for a few weeks but I'd highly recommend it. You should definitely avoid watching the trailer or reading much about it though, ruined a couple of the plot twists for me.

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« Reply #44853 on: February 26, 2017, 07:27:18 pm »

yeah sure it is  ;D.....sorry, its often trotted out but it doesn't stand up to much scrutiny ..ie, in the last fifteen years you've found a total of 3 films that could be shoehorned into your description ....lets widen the search....go back to 1990

2000 - "Gladiator"
1999 - "American Beauty"
1998 - "Shakespeare in Love"
1997 - "Titanic"
1996 - "The English Patient"
1995 - "Braveheart"
1994 - "Forrest Gump"
1993 - "Schindler’s List"
1992 - "Unforgiven"
1991 - "The Silence of the Lambs"
1990 - "Dances With Wolves"


None of which fit the brief either....so for a quarter of a century (and way beyond if you care to look) ...there's been 3 films that could loosely - and not at all in the case of Birdman - be described as glorifying Hollywood.

btw, did you actually read the articles you Googlewhacked?...two are from right-wing / religious think tanks....and the other two loved it

It's the sound and the spectacle that will leave you feeling like you've just witnessed a near-perfect piece of cinema.

it is precisely this acknowledgement of the hardships, as well as the magical unreality, of life in the city of angels which gives La La Land its subtle and enchanting yet bittersweet feeling. It is this which means that praise for it is deserved and not merely a symptom of the ruling cinematic elite.

..couldn't agree more

You're confusing "this is a bad movie" with "Hollywood loves movies like La La Land". One is subjective, one is not. I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to comprehend.
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« Reply #44854 on: February 26, 2017, 08:37:30 pm »
You're confusing "this is a bad movie" with "Hollywood loves movies like La La Land". One is subjective, one is not. I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to comprehend.

Wrong again. One is subjective and the other is quite patently incorrect. As proven by my previous correspondence. Curtain down. Fin


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« Reply #44855 on: February 26, 2017, 08:47:17 pm »
Wrong again. One is subjective and the other is quite patently incorrect. As proven by my previous correspondence. Curtain down. Fin



https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jan/11/la-la-land-and-hollywoods-everlasting-love-affair-with-itself

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-golden-globes-hollywood-falls-in-love-with-itself-20170109-story.html

http://www.vogue.com/article/la-la-land-oscars-hype-emma-stone-ryan-gosling

Should I keep going, or are you going to accept that you're pretty much the only person in the world that doesn't think that Hollywood isn't in love with itself?
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« Reply #44856 on: February 26, 2017, 08:48:38 pm »
Finally went to see La La Land, really enjoyed it and it was properly cinematic. The one thing I would say from the musical aspect is there was no stand out number. Loved all the jazz stuff though.
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« Reply #44857 on: February 26, 2017, 08:57:35 pm »


https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jan/11/la-la-land-and-hollywoods-everlasting-love-affair-with-itself

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-golden-globes-hollywood-falls-in-love-with-itself-20170109-story.html

http://www.vogue.com/article/la-la-land-oscars-hype-emma-stone-ryan-gosling

Should I keep going, or are you going to accept that you're pretty much the only person in the world that doesn't think that Hollywood isn't in love with itself?

Some of those articles are fucking stupid. Also, does every film have to make sure it ticks a diversity box all the time?

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« Reply #44858 on: February 26, 2017, 09:00:41 pm »
Some of those articles are fucking stupid. Also, does every film have to make sure it ticks a diversity box all the time?

That's a rabbit hole nobody really wants to go down.
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« Reply #44859 on: February 26, 2017, 09:23:56 pm »
That's a rabbit hole nobody really wants to go down.

Yeah but for La La Land its been stupid. I get that people dont like it, will give it average reviews and thats totally fine. But the amount of stuff i have seen written about race with that film has been ridiculous. Its a fictional film with no real intention to be anything more than an entertaining time at the cinema.

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« Reply #44860 on: February 26, 2017, 09:28:54 pm »
Yeah but for La La Land its been stupid. I get that people dont like it, will give it average reviews and thats totally fine. But the amount of stuff i have seen written about race with that film has been ridiculous. Its a fictional film with no real intention to be anything more than an entertaining time at the cinema.

It's part of a larger movement for great representation of minorities. I don't personally think La La Land is truly problematic in that respect, but I can see why people think that way.
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« Reply #44861 on: February 26, 2017, 09:35:19 pm »
It's part of a larger movement for great representation of minorities. I don't personally think La La Land is truly problematic in that respect, but I can see why people think that way.

Seems all a bit race mad. That movement is fine as a general goal but to criticise an individual film which is purely a work of fiction by citing race so prominently is crazy. That said, I didnt expect anything less from The Guardian.

They even get a jibe in about Emma Stone's weight.
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« Reply #44862 on: February 26, 2017, 09:38:18 pm »
La La Land is obnoxious as fuck. How anyone sits through a musical is beyond me.

Thank God this white guy is here to save Jazz though.

ahh, now i see what all this copy/paste bullshit is all about  ;D

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« Reply #44863 on: February 26, 2017, 09:44:54 pm »
Seems all a bit race mad. That movement is fine as a general goal but to criticise an individual film which is purely a work of fiction by citing race so prominently is crazy. That said, I didnt expect anything less from The Guardian.

They even get a jibe in about Emma Stone's weight.

I do wonder where it all ends up. For better or worse white people do make up the largest percentage of the US population. As a business, a production company is really just trying to appeal to as many people as possible. The amount of white men behind the scenes is crazy disproportionate though.

ahh, now i see what all this copy/paste bullshit is all about  ;D

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« Reply #44864 on: February 26, 2017, 11:02:56 pm »
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« Reply #44865 on: February 26, 2017, 11:09:48 pm »
Finally went to see La La Land, really enjoyed it and it was properly cinematic. The one thing I would say from the musical aspect is there was no stand out number. Loved all the jazz stuff though.


I know what you mean. I enjoyed the soundtrack/music in general, but at the time didn't really love any of the songs.
And I preferred the songs that were just Gosling and/or Stone. Neither of them are amazing singers, but those songs seemed to fit the film much better than the "bigger" numbers earlier on.

That being said, having listened to the songs again later, they did all grow on me.

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« Reply #44866 on: February 26, 2017, 11:10:57 pm »
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« Reply #44867 on: February 26, 2017, 11:29:29 pm »
A Monster Calls is a masterpiece. Hadn't cried during a film that much since Pan's Labyrinth.

Mixing fantasy with true and in depth drama (and not some cheap kind of) with fantasy and hoping your kid protagonist will deliver is not the easiest thing in the world and the film gets high marks on that.

Had high expectations before and honestly I didn't love its beginning and mainly the fantasy element part. What followed though, when the true storytelling comes alive with full symbolism and the raw state of reality for the main character, the movie truly takes off and created a crescendo of emotions till the very powerful and beautiful end.

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« Reply #44868 on: February 26, 2017, 11:51:02 pm »
The furor over La La Land is without a doubt one of the stranger things I've observed in the movie industry recently. And yet, I guess it's really not strange at all.

I think it's a good, entertaining movie that's been unfortunate enough to have been caught in the middle of a perfect storm of politics.

The beginning of this, I think, is that it's been a rather poor year for movies. The relative poverty of choices for Oscar nominations has handed an unusual number of nominations to La La Land, which I think would normally have won about 4-5 nominations, for song, best film, direction, and maybe one acting category. This has put it under the spotlight more than usual.

Meanwhile, the Academy's fetishisation of the film/entertainment industry has been a talking point in quite a few recent awards. The Artist (2012), Argo (2013), Birdman (2015) have all at some point been highlighted as examples of this.

Then of course, there's been the '#OscarsSoWhite' movement, and the broader movement for the film industry to be more inclusive towards minorities. I'd personally be surprised if last year's outrage didn't precipitate three Oscar movies about African-Americans this year. That's not to say Fences, Hidden Figures and Moonlight are not good movies of course (Moonlight is especially good), but it's hard to think of their prominence as a coincidence. It doesn't help that Moonlight, in particular, seems to 'tick a lot of other minority boxes', and thus has some political energy behind it.

Finally, all this comes months after Donald Drumpf's hateful and divisive run to the White House. Feelings are boiling over, and people are focusing their attentions on the movie starring beautiful white people, one of whom also happens to be in an all black jazz band.

It's a shame, because I think if you ignore all the politics, La La Land is a perfectly enjoyable film. It doesn't deserve to win best picture, but it doesn't deserve all this vitriol, half of which I suspect come from people who haven't actually seen the movie.

As an aside, I read an article the other day that said Casey Affleck maybe shouldn't win Best Actor, because he was charged (not convicted) with sexual assault in 2010. It's a pretty serious allegation, and if true, he probably should have gone to jail. But should the Oscars be awarded to the most morally deserving? Or should they just award the best? I mean, it's not as if they award the best most of the time anyway, but I'm not entirely comfortable with people suggesting that Denzel Washington should win ahead of Casey Affleck's hands down best performance of the year (of the nominees) either, because of stuff that has nothing to do with acting.

How do others feel about this?

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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #44869 on: February 27, 2017, 12:04:08 am »
The furor over La La Land is without a doubt one of the stranger things I've observed in the movie industry recently. And yet, I guess it's really not strange at all.

I think it's a good, entertaining movie that's been unfortunate enough to have been caught in the middle of a perfect storm of politics.

The beginning of this, I think, is that it's been a rather poor year for movies. The relative poverty of choices for Oscar nominations has handed an unusual number of nominations to La La Land, which I think would normally have won about 4-5 nominations, for song, best film, direction, and maybe one acting category. This has put it under the spotlight more than usual.

Meanwhile, the Academy's fetishisation of the film/entertainment industry has been a talking point in quite a few recent awards. The Artist (2012), Argo (2013), Birdman (2015) have all at some point been highlighted as examples of this.

Then of course, there's been the '#OscarsSoWhite' movement, and the broader movement for the film industry to be more inclusive towards minorities. I'd personally be surprised if last year's outrage didn't precipitate three Oscar movies about African-Americans this year. That's not to say Fences, Hidden Figures and Moonlight are not good movies of course (Moonlight is especially good), but it's hard to think of their prominence as a coincidence. It doesn't help that Moonlight, in particular, seems to 'tick a lot of other minority boxes', and thus has some political energy behind it.

Finally, all this comes months after Donald Drumpf's hateful and divisive run to the White House. Feelings are boiling over, and people are focusing their attentions on the movie starring beautiful white people, one of whom also happens to be in an all black jazz band.

It's a shame, because I think if you ignore all the politics, La La Land is a perfectly enjoyable film. It doesn't deserve to win best picture, but it doesn't deserve all this vitriol, half of which I suspect come from people who haven't actually seen the movie.

As an aside, I read an article the other day that said Casey Affleck maybe shouldn't win Best Actor, because he was charged (not convicted) with sexual assault in 2010. It's a pretty serious allegation, and if true, he probably should have gone to jail. But should the Oscars be awarded to the most morally deserving? Or should they just award the best? I mean, it's not as if they award the best most of the time anyway, but I'm not entirely comfortable with people suggesting that Denzel Washington should win ahead of Casey Affleck's hands down best performance of the year (of the nominees) either, because of stuff that has nothing to do with acting.

How do others feel about this?

All this shows to me is there is an industry in criticism. There is a complaint that Hollywood is tone deaf with what 'real' people like but Hollywood spends most of its time and money churning out loads of action, superhero and big budget movies that are designed just solely to try to entertain.

The 'La La Land' issue is fucking bizarre. Well maybe not that bizarre really. Its a film designed to purely entertain the public with very little reference to many other real issues. Its complete escapism. If anything, Hollywood has nominated an entertaining film and not the Oscar bait films produced but others.

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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #44870 on: February 27, 2017, 12:14:36 am »
I haven't seen Moonlight, but I loved La La Land and I think it would absolutely be a deserving best picture winner - especially given some of the films which have preceded it.

Apart from that, I agree with everything you've written Redcap.

I feel tremendously sorry for Chazelle and co. who have unwittingly found themselves at the centre of all of this nonsense. It's absolutely true that this is part of a backlash against Trump, but it is almost entirely people projecting their own political misgivings onto a movie which has no political intent whatsoever.

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« Reply #44871 on: February 27, 2017, 12:27:16 am »
The interesting thing for me was the oscars so white campaign coordinator seemed to take credit for this year's nominees, all of which were greenlit before last year's furore.

Race is rightfully an issue in these discussions, but I do sense some people trying to monetize outrage as killer heels said.
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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #44872 on: February 27, 2017, 12:42:11 am »
The interesting thing for me was the oscars so white campaign coordinator seemed to take credit for this year's nominees, all of which were greenlit before last year's furore.

Race is rightfully an issue in these discussions, but I do sense some people trying to monetize outrage as killer heels said.

It's possible that the campaigning for these 3 movies has been ratcheted up a notch as a result of OscarsSoWhite, but you're right, may we won't see any evidence of real change until next year.

I agree that race is rightfully an issue for the film industry, but the criticism has been so rancorous that I find myself sympathising with people that think political correctness has gone too far.

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« Reply #44873 on: February 27, 2017, 12:48:09 am »
It's possible that the campaigning for these 3 movies has been ratcheted up a notch as a result of OscarsSoWhite, but you're right, may we won't see any evidence of real change until next year.

I agree that race is rightfully an issue for the film industry, but the criticism has been so rancorous that I find myself sympathising with people that think political correctness has gone too far.

The problem for is you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. You criticize the Oscars for not representing minorities and then when a minority actor wins it cheapens that victory. Of the movies I've seen Denzel is by far the best actor. If Affleck beats him it's because he's white... If the reverse happens was it because Denzel is black?
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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #44874 on: February 27, 2017, 01:11:31 am »
The problem for is you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. You criticize the Oscars for not representing minorities and then when a minority actor wins it cheapens that victory. Of the movies I've seen Denzel is by far the best actor. If Affleck beats him it's because he's white... If the reverse happens was it because Denzel is black?

To be honest, I don't think the issue is the Oscars. The real problem is, there are too few good roles/good films for minority actors. The Oscars come at the end of the movie season, by which point all the movies have been made. If 9/10 movies don't feature minority actors in Oscar-bait roles, it's difficult for the the Academy to then award the one black (forget about East Asians, South Asians, Hispanics et al, who aren't even a part of the conversation) person nominated.

So I don't think it's necessarily an issue if Denzel doesn't win, even if (for the sake of argument) he produced the best performance of the year. The fact that three movies were nominated - this is what we need more of. We need the industry to change in such a way that when a minority person does win an award, they're not going to be vulnerable to criticisms of tokenism. So there's a bigger picture story here than this one year, or the last two or three. And it'll be much more difficult to get that real change.

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« Reply #44875 on: February 27, 2017, 01:18:26 am »
To be honest, I don't think the issue is the Oscars. The real problem is, there are too few good roles/good films for minority actors. The Oscars come at the end of the movie season, by which point all the movies have been made. If 9/10 movies don't feature minority actors in Oscar-bait roles, it's difficult for the the Academy to then award the one black (forget about East Asians, South Asians, Hispanics et al, who aren't even a part of the conversation) person nominated.

So I don't think it's necessarily an issue if Denzel doesn't win, even if (for the sake of argument) he produced the best performance of the year. The fact that three movies were nominated - this is what we need more of. We need the industry to change in such a way that when a minority person does win an award, they're not going to be vulnerable to criticisms of tokenism. So there's a bigger picture story here than this one year, or the last two or three. And it'll be much more difficult to get that real change.

Agree with all of that. It really begins with getting more women and minorities behind the camera and behind the scenes. The issue there is these companies are private entities in a capitalist society, they don't owe anybody anything beyond making movies that make themselves money. White men making movies with white people in is a proven success and appeals to.the majority of Americans. Obviously now we have The Rock as the big money name in Hollywood, before that we had Will Smith for a while, but it's been profitable to have white people behind the camera and in front of it forever.
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« Reply #44877 on: February 27, 2017, 01:42:01 am »
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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #44878 on: February 27, 2017, 01:59:43 am »
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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #44879 on: February 27, 2017, 02:57:53 am »
Watched La La Land yesterday. Thought it was a well acted and well-directed film but the story was quite mediocre and dialogue wasn't super interesting. It's a good movie and is charming, but it is not some sort of masterpiece. It doesn't push any boundaries. It would be an underwhelming pick as the best picture.

I think Moonlight is a superior film to La La Land in every aspect. I even prefer Lion to La La Land and I thought Lion had some flaws.
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