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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #240 on: February 26, 2014, 08:25:35 am »
Tough one this...

We have more to play for and I'm hoping that will see us through!

They like to press high up the pitch and its caused us all sorts of problems in recent games. However we set up, I hope we come up with a solid game plan because whatever we have been doing up to now against them has not been working.

Would assume we sit a bit deeper and set up for the counter, as many have said, though I feel the individual mistakes really REALLY need to be cut down now. Especially seeing as they seem to be costing us goals and potential points.....absolute focus is the key and we can win it.

They've lost their last two games....stoke put two past them at their place and Chelsea battered them 3-0. Im sure they will put up a good fight but we are more than capable of beating them if we approach it right....

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #241 on: February 26, 2014, 08:41:35 am »
We'll drop points here I think, not expecting anything really. We need to massively up the performance levels from Fulham and Swansea
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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #242 on: February 26, 2014, 08:49:40 am »
We'll drop points here I think, not expecting anything really. We need to massively up the performance levels from Fulham and Swansea
we can win this, we are at home, we have lots of time to prepare, and we are much improved in possession since we last played.

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #243 on: February 26, 2014, 08:51:07 am »
we can win this, we are at home, we have lots of time to prepare, and we are much improved in possession since we last played.

We aren't at home mate
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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #244 on: February 26, 2014, 08:56:30 am »
We'll drop points here I think, not expecting anything really. We need to massively up the performance levels from Fulham and Swansea

We tend to up our games against the tougher sides, and this season has shown that we've quashed many of our bogey teams.

Cautiously optimistic, and should be another sign of how we've progressed under Rodgers.

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #245 on: February 26, 2014, 09:06:35 am »
this season has shown that we've quashed many of our bogey teams.

Conversely though our only home league defeat this season was vs Southampton back in September. We've come quite a ways since then I think, but still.

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #246 on: February 26, 2014, 09:07:14 am »
on the back of a worried performance on Sunday, this is a perfect time to play Southampton...

just want a win... any win!!
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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #247 on: February 26, 2014, 09:11:49 am »
We aren't at home mate
You've just been conned.
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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #248 on: February 26, 2014, 09:21:10 am »
Conversely though our only home league defeat this season was vs Southampton back in September. We've come quite a ways since then I think, but still.

Yeah, but since then.. Stoke, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton (had not won under Rodgers). We played 4 CB's last time around with only 2 in our midfield. I think we're much better prepared this time around.

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #249 on: February 26, 2014, 09:21:34 am »
I'm in the minority if any that Allen shouldn't start.

Allen instead of Sterling/Coutinho offers control in midfield & high pressing which was far more suitable against Swansea.
The tactics were clear that Rodgers didn't want Swansea to control the game as he wanted to make a statement that we are Liverpool at Anfield, we will control the game, not you. That is why Gerrard & our defence were so exposed because Henderson & Coutinho were pressing high. Even Gerrard was at times. No wonder we conceded 3 goals. Allen coming on drastically changed the effectiveness of that tactic.

The best tactic to beat Southampton is not to try & press them high & out control them in midfield but instead play compact & hit them with counter attacks - which has been our strength evident with Everton & Arsenal, where we were far better defensively.

That is why Coutinho (not Allen) should start.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2014, 09:24:44 am by Livo.85 »

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #250 on: February 26, 2014, 09:34:45 am »
If anybody is getting dropped for Allen it'll be Sterling, justifiably or not Brendan see's Coutinho as our link between midfield and Suarez & Sturridge.

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #251 on: February 26, 2014, 10:42:42 am »
I would put Cissokho in for Johnson, move Flanagan back over to the right - also Sahko in for Agger if he is fit again

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #252 on: February 26, 2014, 10:45:38 am »
   Team              W D L F   A  GD PTS

H Southampton 5 5 3 21 16   5    20

A Liverpool        5 4 4 28 23   5    19

Very, very tough one to call!
« Last Edit: February 26, 2014, 11:43:22 am by Titi Camara »

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #253 on: February 26, 2014, 11:27:55 am »
I have been nervous about this fixture for a while. Probably because of how badly we played last season. I think this is a massive test, win it and I think the league title is a real possibility. Lose it and its all about securing 4th.

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #254 on: February 26, 2014, 11:42:36 am »
You've just been conned.
good reply :-)

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #255 on: February 26, 2014, 11:43:09 am »
Shababs.

The Tea leaves have been inconsistent of late, predicting the right outcome but indifferent score's. The wife seem's to think its murkier waters. 

The Tea leaves are predicting a very narrow margin and close game. The moon is showing a crescent that also indicates a close game.

Southampton 1-2 Liverpool   Away win

That's how they rolled.  Inshallah.
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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #256 on: February 26, 2014, 11:48:02 am »
I would have the Cisko kid back in at Lb and Flanagan at right. Agger/Toure/Skertel (not sure which two are the better).  Allen in for Coutinho.  The rest pick themselves.  We get to control midfield a bit better and put up a "solid" defense*.  Suarez is going to score.  Really think we can do this.

*Solid defense in the context of Liverpools current defending state :-(

This must be one of the best seasons ever.  Not only are we closer to the top than 5th, but I also get the guilty pleasure of reading the comments section of the national papers after every Manu implosion:-)  Does football get any better than this?

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #257 on: February 26, 2014, 11:51:54 am »
Southampton is a bit of a tough cookie..

They're a balanced mixture of Swansea/Arsenal when in posession, but akin to Chelsea, Hull and West Brom(under Mel), and ourselves(in the big games) when not in possession. Like we've seen against Hull and West Brom in particular- we will look jaded and play as if we're tired, a lot of passes would be intercepetd or go astray, our pass-completion stats would be very low, our possession would be less than theirs, they will score from stupid errors(forced through their pressing) and we're going to have to work our arse off for the ball- same as them when we're in possession.

Another aspect they seem to differ from a lot of quality sides is that they don't really take the initiative in attacking when against top sides(it's a myth- their more reactionary)- so we can't use counter-attacking as a tactic throughout the match. They hound you for possession- in 3s- and wait for a mistake. They will not attack you constantly, carving you open through incisive passing from an attack that was started from out the back. If we decide to counter throughout the match, we'll have to walk away with a draw or they'll hope for a mistake- like our past meetings and will make sure they'll win by a goal. Tough team this. Too hot to handle. They're as tough to play against as we were under Rafa and what we're becoming under Rodgers. Their more like us Rafa's Liverpool, but with quality passing and more movement. We might have to alternate our approach- attack for 15 minutes, sit back, attack for 15, sit back- rinse and repeat..

Against Swansea and Arsenal, we had it easy- we could press, but not expect much pressing when we're in possession, since these 2 sides do not really appear to press, but only selectively(like we did the first season under Rodgers), but the problem with Southampton is that they do to us what we have done to Arsenal, Everton and Swansea and the issue we have is that our one-touch passing didn't seem up to scratch since we met them under Rodgers.

As PoP said the other time- the way to resist/beat their press is to quickly pass the ball in triangles all over the pitch in order to avoid losing it. This would mean- one-touch passing like Arsenal does it and we're struggling there. Yes- our one-touch passing is good, but a little less quicker and effective than City and of a much less quality and pace than that of Arsenal(which is the reason why they could sort of "handle" Southampton). The reason Swansea were such a tough team to press, was their quick precision in passing and their use of triangles whenever we pressed them. We need to do simialr against Southampton and then we'll win.


Anyway- I'm sure Brendan has been wrestling with the question of how to beat this lot for a while now and the last time we met, we were much better than before, so I'm sure we'll have a plan for these.
Tis the season to slaughter the bogeys and Southampton are next. I'll go for a battling, brutal football, piss-ugly, ground-out 1-2 or even a 0-1. Quality will see us through.
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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #258 on: February 26, 2014, 12:25:10 pm »
Southampton tend to do better against "footballing" teams. I guess their pressing is more effective against teams that try to play it out from the back, rather than teams that will just launch it right over the press. They were the better team against both Arsenal and Man City in the home draws, and lost to Arsenal at the emirates due to a moment of Boruc madness; but they lost to both Aston Villa and West Ham.

Their pressing restricts the chances, but if we can play through it we will create clear cut ones. They press as a compact unit, which means a high line to exploit if we are accurate and intelligent enough to do so.

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #259 on: February 26, 2014, 12:27:46 pm »
Just a quick note to add if Southamption were that good, they'd be the ones challenging for the title and we'd be the ones in the middle of the table.

Yes, they are a decent side but reading some of the posts in here, you'd think we're playing some kind of morphed Bayern Munich/Italy in the 90's. They are a decent outfit and so far have had the beating of us, but I'm certainly looking for 3 points.

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #260 on: February 26, 2014, 12:37:31 pm »
Just a quick note to add if Southamption were that good, they'd be the ones challenging for the title and we'd be the ones in the middle of the table.

Yes, they are a decent side but reading some of the posts in here, you'd think we're playing some kind of morphed Bayern Munich/Italy in the 90's. They are a decent outfit and so far have had the beating of us, but I'm certainly looking for 3 points.

Exactly and that's what the Tea Leaves are saying. Away win
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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #261 on: February 26, 2014, 12:39:06 pm »
Just a quick note to add if Southamption were that good, they'd be the ones challenging for the title and we'd be the ones in the middle of the table.

Yes, they are a decent side but reading some of the posts in here, you'd think we're playing some kind of morphed Bayern Munich/Italy in the 90's. They are a decent outfit and so far have had the beating of us, but I'm certainly looking for 3 points.
They've been our kryptonite since Pochettino took over. They have everything we struggle against; high energy, relentless pressing with the option of a physical striker up top.

BR figured out how to beat Arsenal who had a similar stronghold on us. Hope he does the same against this lot.

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #262 on: February 26, 2014, 12:41:54 pm »
Exactly and that's what the Tea Leaves are saying. Away win
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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #263 on: February 26, 2014, 12:42:19 pm »
Saints are a tough cookie but if our players cant get up for the remaining 11 games then they shouldnt be playing for us, get into them early doors and score goals, all the media is hanging on our away form to see us slip up, ram it back down their throats, 3-1 us
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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #264 on: February 26, 2014, 12:42:52 pm »
we wont win this.

u can quote me on this.

I'll be rooting for a liverpool lose every game hoping that i'd be proven wrong so that we'd win the league. ;D

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #265 on: February 26, 2014, 12:46:29 pm »
Feel its down to us whether we win this one, southampton are a good team but we really should have the beating of them if we turn up.

Cant see us going with four CBs like we did vs these at home so hope to see a better balance to the side than we had that day.

would play Glen over Cissoko as they will look to press us high and Johnsons extra ability on the ball may be vital .

i fancy Suarez to find his scoring touch again in the next few games and if he goes on another tear it could get interesting

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #266 on: February 26, 2014, 12:46:50 pm »
Shababs.

The Tea leaves have been inconsistent of late, predicting the right outcome but indifferent score's. The wife seem's to think its murkier waters. 

The Tea leaves are predicting a very narrow margin and close game. The moon is showing a crescent that also indicates a close game.

Southampton 1-2 Liverpool   Away win

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #267 on: February 26, 2014, 12:46:52 pm »
This is a real test to see how far the players and Brendan have come
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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #268 on: February 26, 2014, 12:49:33 pm »
Southampton tend to do better against "footballing" teams. I guess their pressing is more effective against teams that try to play it out from the back, rather than teams that will just launch it right over the press. They were the better team against both Arsenal and Man City in the home draws, and lost to Arsenal at the emirates due to a moment of Boruc madness; but they lost to both Aston Villa and West Ham.

Their pressing restricts the chances, but if we can play through it we will create clear cut ones. They press as a compact unit, which means a high line to exploit if we are accurate and intelligent enough to do so.
Exactly. It seems they have an issue with pacy, direct football.

Good sides are normally patient, passing sides(Chelsea being the exception here), the final 3rd is where these sides normally apply pace in(bursts in-between CBs or in-behind, bursts down the sides and diagonal runs etc in front of the opposition back-four).

The back and middle are normally the areas, where the build-up is slower than the front, so it's easy to latch onto players and harry them, but with pacy, direct sides, they normally run right through the middle or via the wings and they are normally physical sides who can brush off these smaller pressing opponents- especially at pace.

I also think they are more up for the big sides. We need to go about with a frantic pace, cause these like to "slow down" the game. They like to drag you down to their level, where they can then nicely go ahead and bludgeon you to death. They're small battlers this lot.
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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #269 on: February 26, 2014, 12:51:17 pm »
This is a real test to see how far the players and Brendan have come
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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #270 on: February 26, 2014, 12:53:02 pm »
We aren't at home mate

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #271 on: February 26, 2014, 12:53:29 pm »
Yeah, but since then.. Stoke, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton (had not won under Rodgers). We played 4 CB's last time around with only 2 in our midfield. I think we're much better prepared this time around.

True. Personally I think we're probably looking at a draw (though a win shouldn't be completely beyond us) but the fact still remains: They're the only ones to have cracked the fortress this season, and they basically walked rings around in the corresponding fixture last season to boot. They're one club who seem to know how to contend with what Brendan's been doing.

If anybody is getting dropped for Allen it'll be Sterling, justifiably or not Brendan see's Coutinho as our link between midfield and Suarez & Sturridge.

I'd say it's an absolutely justified view. Look at every time Phil's been out. Even when he's been playing poorly, as soon as we take him off we tend  to look much worse. Dropping Sterling may not necessarily be the best way to go, but if it were a matter of playing Joe + Sterling but without Coutinho or Joe + Coutinho without Sterling, we ought to take the latter. Coutinho is the lynchpin of our squad at the moment.

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #272 on: February 26, 2014, 01:03:48 pm »
Honestly on paper we should win this.. But Southampton are a quality side with good players and like to counter with pace.. Safe to say ill be a nervous reck...  2-0 for us though

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #273 on: February 26, 2014, 01:08:50 pm »
Come On Redmen!
Was at the home match and it was one of, if not, the least fluid matches we played.
We are so much better than we were then as long as the defence don't give too many hand-outs against and their recent form is quite a bit worse. Have been thinking this is our hardest away match but feel we have the decisive edge.
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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #274 on: February 26, 2014, 01:11:39 pm »
What I'm hoping for in this game is that our Game, and attacking threat will be to much for them to play their own.

Rather than the other way around, and with this players we have we should achieve that.

We are the most goal scoring and attacking team in the league, it's not like u can ignore it and disable it.

We are only worried about this because of our defensive displays, and mostly they have come away from home.

When we played them at home and lost we weren't as developed as we are now. We have come long way since then.

My only worry is that we play too attacking at times away from home, formations are set for us to score but it backfires most of the time and it's about out scoring the opposition rather than destroying them.

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #275 on: February 26, 2014, 01:23:19 pm »
we wont win this.

u can quote me on this.

I'll be rooting for a liverpool lose every game hoping that i'd be proven wrong so that we'd win the league. ;D


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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #276 on: February 26, 2014, 01:26:56 pm »
We're gonna fucking smash these wankers! :D

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #277 on: February 26, 2014, 01:34:38 pm »
Fuck control.
I would be happy enough with a 6 - 5 win, to be honest...

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #278 on: February 26, 2014, 01:35:53 pm »
Would take a point, we can never perform against Soton. They're pressing game kills us. They've had a bit of a bad run since their cracking start to the season. They'll probably bounce back against us and win but I hope we can break this jinx. They're becoming our bogey team.

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Re: Southampton vs Liverpool. March 1st 2014. 17.30 KO
« Reply #279 on: February 26, 2014, 01:36:11 pm »

We will not.
Check the part in "white" ;)

we wont win this.

u can quote me on this.

I'll be rooting for a liverpool lose every game hoping that i'd be proven wrong so that we'd win the league. ;D
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In such a sumptuous festival of shite, I wouldn't be so quick to pick a winner..

But he'd make the shortlist