Author Topic: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer (Read 130281 times)

Camarero25 · « **Reply #760 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:32:19 pm »

Quote from: firing squad on March 4, 2012, 01:29:43 pm

he was payed according to his quality. A decent player with the occasional good cross or a long pass and that's it. On the other hand, Carroll, Downing and Henderson...

Doesn't matter how much he cost. He's been in our first XI almost every game this season, and he isn't good enough.

PIPA23 · « **Reply #761 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:33:07 pm »

Quote from: G1 Jockey 4(betfair) on March 4, 2012, 01:28:18 pm

or rather forlan plays behind him and suarez leads the line.

the problem with us is the appraoch from the wings and behind him.

i will say uruaguays midfield is far more mobile and combative than ours and also good distribution wise.

i remember Uruguy playing more in past on 3 attacking players, they have perfect wings in Maxi Pereira from Benfica and the other winger that was so much wanted by Chelsea... they can play like that, but we have no wingers to support the strikers... we can´t afford to play Suarez alone up front or without any wings backing.. Suarez is the type of player who can play anywhere in front of midfield basicly...but without one or two player in same level, he is not going to deliver a lot...maybe occasionaly but if he will be marked by two CB´s of our oponent, he is lost...becouse Kuyt is to much defensive... and we have 3 midfielders who don´t even shoot from distance....

Camarero25 · « **Reply #762 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:33:37 pm »

Quote from: JamesLS7 on March 4, 2012, 01:30:35 pm

Joe Allen would be good enough to start for us IMO, he is a very talented little player.

Fletcher would be good as we do not have a goalscoring striker from the bench, he could be that.

I would not want Fletcher instead of a big name striker, it woukd be in addition.

Joe Allen is no better than Henderson, for me. We need proper quality, not more potential.

JamesLS7 · « **Reply #763 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:33:41 pm »

Quote from: Camarero25 on March 4, 2012, 01:32:19 pm

Doesn't matter how much he cost. He's been in our first XI almost every game this season, and he isn't good enough.

Thats how I see it. Price is irrelvant to me when discussing the level of performance. If anyone has issues with the price then thats on Kenny and DC's head.

JamesLS7 · « **Reply #764 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:34:26 pm »

Quote from: Camarero25 on March 4, 2012, 01:33:37 pm

Joe Allen is no better than Henderson, for me. We need proper quality, not more potential.

I think he is better than Adam though.

Joe Allen has been in midfields this season that dominated the likes of Arsenal and ourselves.

firing squad · « **Reply #765 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:35:19 pm »

Quote from: Camarero25 on March 4, 2012, 01:32:19 pm

Doesn't matter how much he cost. He's been in our first XI almost every game this season, and he isn't good enough.

almost is the key word, Henderson is a nailed on starter every game and he contributes fuck all. I'm genuinely interested in what does Henderson ACTUALLY bring to the team that his starting position doesn't seem to be coming into question at all?

Camarero25 · « **Reply #766 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:37:18 pm »

Quote from: JamesLS7 on March 4, 2012, 01:34:26 pm

I think he is better than Adam though.

Joe Allen has been in midfields this season that dominated the likes of Arsenal and ourselves.

Yeah but we don't just need someone better than Adam, we need someone considerably better. I'm not convinced Allen has what it takes yet.

JamesLS7 · « **Reply #767 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:37:23 pm »

Quote from: firing squad on March 4, 2012, 01:35:19 pm

almost is the key word, Henderson is a nailed on starter every game and he contributes fuck all. I'm genuinely interested in what does Henderson ACTUALLY bring to the team that his starting position doesn't seem to be coming into question at all?

He was good yesterday. He brings energy, pressure, good passing and moving. He doesnt do the spectacular but he keeps the ball moving.

Camarero25 · « **Reply #768 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:38:43 pm »

Quote from: firing squad on March 4, 2012, 01:35:19 pm

almost is the key word, Henderson is a nailed on starter every game and he contributes fuck all. I'm genuinely interested in what does Henderson ACTUALLY bring to the team that his starting position doesn't seem to be coming into question at all?

So because Henderson hasn't contributed much, Adam isn't a problem?

Aristotle · « **Reply #769 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:38:48 pm »

Quote from: firing squad on March 4, 2012, 01:35:19 pm

almost is the key word, Henderson is a nailed on starter every game and he contributes fuck all. I'm genuinely interested in what does Henderson ACTUALLY bring to the team that his starting position doesn't seem to be coming into question at all?

You mean like passing the ball, winning it back, creating space for his team mates and being responsible for our only goal yesterday? Apart from that he was USELESS yesterday

PIPA23 · « **Reply #770 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:39:17 pm »

The thing with Allen is, and problem with many fans to realise....are we still top team, not in terms of history, but look at the table, are we a top team? we aren´t, hard to say...

we can play fantastic matches and get motivated against top teams, then swansea and blackburn matches come and we can´t score...

i was thinking Kenny want´s to buy this players especially to get us to top 4 and then move for bigger targets and play Adam and Downing as squad players...

but the point is, without quality players we can´t get the top 4 target, and without top 4 there is not big chance we sign someone more better than Arsenal, Chelsea or even Tottenham....

edit: we obviously wanted to give Carroll chance to prove himself, but are the fans ready that this season might as well repeat next season? i don´t think many realise it might as well repeat... i can´t see Kenny selling Carroll after this season... as well as Adam and Downing...

Melbred · « **Reply #771 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:40:38 pm »

Quote from: firing squad on March 4, 2012, 01:35:19 pm

almost is the key word, Henderson is a nailed on starter every game and he contributes fuck all. I'm genuinely interested in what does Henderson ACTUALLY bring to the team that his starting position doesn't seem to be coming into question at all?

Adam has played 25 league games compared to Henderson's 21. So if anyone is a nailed on starter, it's Adam.

And herein lies a massive problem. The fact that these two have had to play so much has contributed to our failings this season. Sure we've lost Gerrard and Lucas to injury - but we had the quality of Meireles and Aquilani not long ago. And we've replaced them with two inferior players to fill the squad IMO.

Jetmir M. · « **Reply #772 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:42:22 pm »

Quote from: JamesLS7 on March 4, 2012, 01:34:26 pm

I think he is better than Adam though.

Joe Allen has been in midfields this season that dominated the likes of Arsenal and ourselves.

And Charlie was in a midfield that dominated ours last year, too.

We need a world class CM, especially when you consider Gerrard's injury record.

After the season Inter's having a lot of players will be moved as they'll want to rebuild. And we'd be crazy not to go after Sneider.

Melbred · « **Reply #773 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:43:48 pm »

Quote from: Jetmir M. on March 4, 2012, 01:42:22 pm

And Charlie was in a midfield that dominated ours last year, too.

We need a world class CM, especially when you consider Gerrard's injury record.

After the season Inter's having a lot of players will be moved as they'll want to rebuild. And we'd be crazy not to go after Sneider.

Unless we're willing to splash our 200k+ wages, we shouldn't waste our time. There is quality out there for reasonable prices, and that's what the fucking scouting network is there for.

What is the point in paying these people, if they can only identify the likes of Adam, Henderson, Downing and Carroll. We gambled on a "british/PL proven" policy, and that has clearly not worked.

Here's hoping we have learnt from this, and avoid making the same mistakes.

Cruiser · « **Reply #774 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:45:39 pm »

Our squad needs proven 1st team quality additions, not Joe fuckin Allen.

We already have enough squad players.

firing squad · « **Reply #775 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:46:44 pm »

Quote from: JamesLS7 on March 4, 2012, 01:37:23 pm

He was good yesterday. He brings energy, pressure, good passing and moving. He doesnt do the spectacular but he keeps the ball moving.

Quote from: Aristotle on March 4, 2012, 01:38:48 pm

You mean like passing the ball, winning it back, creating space for his team mates and being responsible for our only goal yesterday? Apart from that he was USELESS yesterday

we're obviously watching different games because players like Henderson are the reason we practically don't have any flare and look "industrial", with the exception of a few games, including yesterday's. There are tens of "hendersons" all around Europe and if he wasn't English he'd be worth 4-5 mill.

Quote from: Camarero25 on March 4, 2012, 01:38:43 pm

So because Henderson hasn't contributed much, Adam isn't a problem?

I didn't say Adam isn't the problem, he is but the point is that he's the player we payed for, I don't know what exactly did you expect from him? We got what we payed for but those other 3 on the other hand...

Jetmir M. · « **Reply #776 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:48:49 pm »

Quote from: Melbred on March 4, 2012, 01:43:48 pm

Unless we're willing to splash our 200k+ wages, we shouldn't waste our time.

Eventually we will have to if we are to be where we want to be and right now we're far from that position. This season we were supposed to get in the top four and now with chances of that happening being very, very slim we just can't afford to miss out on top four next season.

Baraka · « **Reply #777 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:49:47 pm »

Quote from: Jetmir M. on March 4, 2012, 01:42:22 pm

And Charlie was in a midfield that dominated ours last year, too.

We need a world class CM, especially when you consider Gerrard's injury record.

After the season Inter's having a lot of players will be moved as they'll want to rebuild. And we'd be crazy not to go after Sneider.

Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Lucas Gerrard
Suarez Sneijder Hazard
Cavani

ah, I can dream.

G8S7 · « **Reply #778 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:52:10 pm »

AVB gone

http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~2633044,00.html

The Las · « **Reply #779 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:54:17 pm »

The Champions league activates a different transfer list to the one we are currently browsing. Stuart Downing IMO is iconic of this sub top four quality of player.

Its great saying that its a building process, we accpeted that the transfers in the summer where a means to an end, that end being championsleague qualification. And that this "project" comolli talks of will be improved in incremental steps. Thats fine, but it doesnt look like that is going to be mission accomplished at this stage which for me is really disappointing considering this year chelsea and arsenal have both been shit.

This represented an incredible opportunity to break back into the elite. I cant see both those clubs having a shit season again next year and would expect massive investment from Abramovic, and finally arsenal given the scare show the board of directors have witnessed this year.

Im going to be brutally honest without the fear of upsetting the 'I was Lucas Lieva fan' all along brigade. Our goals return has been beyond shit, and you just cant justify that with the investments made in attacking areas.

Sometimes, pulling on a red shirt can automatically elevate an obvious mediocre player into someone who is this and that. Sometimes we just have to call a spade a spade and put our hands up and say yes he is shit we made mistake lets move on.

Carling cup all very well. Fucking love kenny and thank him dearly for giving us some pride back and a day out at wembley but there comes a point where bad luck has to become reality and lack of cutting edge. He was very fortunate himself to have had a guy called Ian Rush when he was making the game look easy, today we are light years from having anything that resembles skinny welsh bloke with the tash.

Id have torres back tomorrow personally.

kkjellquist · « **Reply #780 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:58:30 pm »

Quote from: The Las on March 4, 2012, 01:54:17 pm

Id have torres back tomorrow personally.

Wish he had just kept his mouth shut on the way out

MBL? · « **Reply #781 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:58:32 pm »

We need the same thing we have done for as long as I can fucking remember. More pace. Every top side has more pace than us and every side who has won the league has bags full.

Jetmir M. · « **Reply #782 on:** March 4, 2012, 01:59:32 pm »

Quote from: Baraka on March 4, 2012, 01:49:47 pm

Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Lucas Gerrard
Suarez Sneijder Hazard
Cavani

ah, I can dream.

Funny how fuckin great we'd be with just 3 signings world class players. Yet I am afraid we'll instead go for 5-6 average players in the summer

hollger · « **Reply #783 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:05:57 pm »

Quote from: Jetmir M. on March 4, 2012, 01:59:32 pm

Funny how fuckin great we'd be with just 3 signings world class players. Yet I am afraid we'll instead go for 5-6 average players in the summer

Where's the money coming from for THREE world class players?!

shizzledizzle · « **Reply #784 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:06:23 pm »

I think Sneijder can be an amazing signing! he is definitely looking to leave Inter, he can be useful to us as Var der Taart has been for Spurs...

PIPA23 · « **Reply #785 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:06:35 pm »

Quote from: The Las on March 4, 2012, 01:54:17 pm

Id have torres back tomorrow personally.

Torres back means nothing mate, Torres was Torres becouse mostly Gerrard...he had his talent..but without Gerrard he wouldn´t have scored many goals..

and for us to play Gerrard or Suarez behind a striker like Torres, or Torres himself in case he would return, we would need the holding midfield of Alonso - Mascherano level, now with Lucas injury we would play there Adam - Spearing, it´s quite a difference...

eirwen · « **Reply #786 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:08:49 pm »

In terms of priority:
1. striker
2. playmaker
3. winger

I think Spearing could be a decent backup for Lucas. And Gerrard/Henderson/Adam can occupy the CM role. We need another one in midfield that can create chances.
Suarez can play on the wing when we get a new CF. And we have Bellamy/Kuyt/Downing too.
Now a striker is the most costly. I hope we go for someone with pace that plays on the shoulder of defender or some poacher with great positioning and finishing. I'm kind of concerned with us supposedly looking at target man type players even before we bought Carroll though. IMO that's just not going to work.

maqu006 · « **Reply #787 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:09:20 pm »

Players will come if you show them there is money and a winning project. If the 55 million we spent on the ineffective pair of Downing and Carroll had been spent on Mata and Falcao we'd be flying. And don't tell me these players wouldn't have come here. Bullshit.

Jetmir M. · « **Reply #788 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:09:39 pm »

Quote from: hollger on March 4, 2012, 02:05:57 pm

Where's the money coming from for THREE world class players?!

Well, we paid 55 effin million for Carroll & Downing.

liverpooll · « **Reply #789 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:10:27 pm »

The number one signing has to be a winger.

And not only a winger but a "quality" one.

Already 15 years without one and really we are not going to win the league without those players.

PIPA23 · « **Reply #790 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:12:14 pm »

Quote from: maqu006 on March 4, 2012, 02:09:20 pm

And don't tell me these players wouldn't have come here. Bullshit.

Yes, many fans would love to write down many names... but the fact they don´t look is that our manager has other ideas.. you either trust him or will forever write what if this and that...and write down football manager superstar names... it´s hard to say why the players choose the other teams, but it´s mostly becouse of money , i doubt something else has a higher priority than sallary...it´s a job...you would do the same...

PIPA23 · « **Reply #791 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:13:28 pm »

Quote from: Jetmir M. on March 4, 2012, 02:09:39 pm

Well, we paid 55 effin million for Carroll & Downing.

we reinvested that money, who knows what would happend if we never have to sell Torres...or never sold him...

then the money avileable would be much thiner and not even Newcastle would want that much for Carroll... at that short time of the buy...

The Las · « **Reply #792 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:14:46 pm »

I think you'll find that torres scored a large percentage of his goals that had nothing to do with gerrard, in a liverpool shirt he shit goals. He was talasmatic.

At Chelsea he doesnt have a fucking load of bouncing looney scousers making him feel like pele.
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maqu006 · « **Reply #793 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:15:22 pm »

Quote from: PIPA23 on March 4, 2012, 02:12:14 pm

Yes, many fans would love to write down many names... but the fact they don´t look is that our manager has other ideas.. you either trust him or will forever write what if this and that...and write down football manager superstar names... it´s hard to say why the players choose the other teams, but it´s mostly becouse of money , i doubt something else has a higher priority than sallary...it´s a job...you would do the same...

Mata did not choose Chelsea over Liverpool because according to Comolli and Dalglish we were after BRITISH players. We never made an offer for them! It's not fantasy football. It's picking the right players!

maqu006 · « **Reply #794 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:18:44 pm »

We need to make absolutely sure that we get this summer's signings right or else it'll be a downward spiral for us. The team now has a style but it does not have excellence in many key positions. The money we spent for 3 positions (LW, Striker, RW) should have bought us excellence but instead we bought a mediocre LW, a promising but overrated striker, and a good investment for the future but not a game changer that we need.

Dmode101 · « **Reply #795 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:20:16 pm »

Quote from: liverpooll on March 4, 2012, 02:10:27 pm

The number one signing has to be a winger.

And not only a winger but a "quality" one.

Already 15 years without one and really we are not going to win the league without those players.

true. all the talk in the world won't mean a thing until the wage issue is adjusted to be closer to 200k than 50k. money talks louder than CL or not CL. true that the cream of the crop wont come without CL. but there is always the second tier players. what we bought last summer are those that no big clubs wants or those players who know they are not getting the right salary deals from us. I think FSG is under alot of pressure from the wage issue. I can understand why but as a fan I dont sympathise.

hollger · « **Reply #796 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:24:52 pm »

Quote from: Jetmir M. on March 4, 2012, 02:09:39 pm

Well, we paid 55 effin million for Carroll & Downing.

Well, not really

We re-invested the Torres money in Carroll last January. If Chelsea hadn't delivered us £50m crisp notes for Torres we wouldn't have spent £35m on Carroll, simple.

The Summer money wasn't wisely spent admittedly, and as such I severely doubt there'll be another +£100m to buy three world class players this year. We have to accept this is the team now, and barring a few replacements (due to age - Kuyt, Maxi, due to 'other' reasons - Cole, Aquilani) we're likely to only improve a couple of areas for next season I'd have thought.

Zawsze Red! · « **Reply #797 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:25:05 pm »

Quote from: Jetmir M. on March 4, 2012, 02:09:39 pm

Well, we paid 55 effin million for Carroll & Downing.

This is terrible price for them. I am not criticise these players, I think good squad players and Downing can be effective for us in future (Carroll not sure) but this is crazy price according to my opinion.

Newcastle sell Carroll, Barton, Nolan and Enrique last year and they buy Ba, Tiote, Cabaye, Ben Arfa and now Cisse, become much stronger team and also have profit from this! May be we should buy Newcastle scout first!

Melbred · « **Reply #798 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:27:16 pm »

It really isn't Adam, Downing, Henderson or Carroll's fault that they're not as good as we would like them to be. But it is management's fault for thinking that these type of players were the solution to our problems.

Really hope we've learnt from this.

hollger · « **Reply #799 on:** March 4, 2012, 02:29:56 pm »

Quote from: liverpooll on March 4, 2012, 02:10:27 pm

The number one signing has to be a winger.

And not only a winger but a "quality" one.

Already 15 years without one and really we are not going to win the league without those players.

Absolutely agree. This surely has to be the priority in the Summer. I'm not sure who is available but our right wing needs addressing.